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komekn:
You are once again prejudiced and have no understanding of the subject matter and or appreciation of it.

Which for me is quite sad really considering all I have said to you to increase your understanding and create some empathy.

That is very disappointing for me and makes me question my informed contribution to the forum. Have they been of any benefit at all if you can still come up with these kind of statements.

Safiaa:
Ok, understood. But this has nothing to do with what im trying to say, because I'm not an advocate of promiscuity. I'm just trying to lay down the facts of the female body. Thats all.

komekn:
U17 is youth football and progression there on is very unpredictable.

Age group competitions in Nigeria have always been troubled be the issues of real age. As a result progression for players has been problematic as they had mostly peaked and had limited upwards progression if any. What I am saying Nigeria is not a good bench mark for a holistic deduction such as you have made about age grade football.

I will ask you to kindly research the % number of U20 players who play for thier national teams I would ask that you look at all the past world cup finalists and semi finalists.

When you do that you will humbly retract your statement and unfounded proposition.

Football is changing all over the world young teenagers are breaking into first team football left right and center. So age grade is clear indicator of progression and future dominance. The most expensive left back in England is 17 year old, Ryan Ssegnon who plays for Fulham multiple bids from a number of EPL clubs of £30 million were rejected by the club.

Safiaa:
Tell me something.

Safiaa:
And this girl should increase her knowledge. A pussy doesn't expand by the amount of intercourse she has had. I can have sex with one man 100 times and another woman can have sex with 5 men, 5 times. So do we measure the size of a vagina by the amount of men, or the amount of times? It's absolute bullshiit. The vagina is a muscle, it retracts back to its original size even after childbirth. Not trying to promote 'oloshoism', but this mentality is ridiculous.

But I do agree with everything else she said.

Magink:
Oga humility you don vex? Lol

forgiveness:
No quote no fadin. The door is still open wide.

Mujtahida:
Hanhan, is Tammy not good again? But you were calling for his invite some time ago just as I did. That he's declared for England does not take away any merit from the quality of his game. Let him go and play for England. It's all good. The door he has refused to walk into will be open for another person.

Please furnish me with a link to any of the news sources. I googled it and nothing indicating your assertion as regards Tammy's decision

safarigirl:
your opinion of Iwobi's abilities is highly subjective.

He is not as effective on the wings...and forget natural player, that is just a term that implies lack of versatility. Do you think Muazzam would play AM better than Mikel or Iwobi?

forgiveness:
Did Victor Moses failed at the world cup?

Chidiebere Nwakali was a failure at Spain and he doesn't deserve to warm the bench of the national team?

Now, you had better start reminding me?

Oasis007:


But Ogu non-playing Time while on International Duty ain't worrying you?!

Musa does not deserve the Call up based on Merit at the moment, same as Ogu for only adding to the Squad List.

LOL!

Oasis007:


I don't wanna cause another reckless argument, otherwise would have nailed you with bolded. Lol.

Rohr has seen him played in the Training Sessions, he has assessed his Style of Play, yet he chose to replace Onazi with Agu while Ogu was also on the Bench.

Why do you want Musa out of the Team, but wants Ogu to keep getting the Call up only to be updating his Instagram Page with SE News?! Just joking.

JON01:
Its obvious this guys money does not allow him spend for his family...

Oasis007:
If you check my Post on Forgiveness Grievances against Rohr and the List, you would see where I pointed out this ain't a World Cup List, that anything can happen between now and before the List is made.

Player like Etebo is needed in the Team. He can be a super-Sub like Martial is doing at United. I will also include him on my List as a Joker on the Bench if I'm the Coach.

However, you and I have to agree that he's actually not a AM, and if you want his Best on the Pitch, play him as a Wing-Forward. He gets the Strength, Pace and Tenacity to torment any FB on his Way. His Exploits at the Olympic wasn't in the Hole but on the Wing if my Memory serves me right.

Hence we only have only Iwobi and Mikel who can play as AM in the Team. Ogu keeps making the List, yet he has not been tested in any competitive Match by Rohr. Thus he should have been the one on the supplementary List instead of Muazam; which would have balanced the Numbers of AMs and DMs on the List.

Oasis007:
If you check my Post on Forgiveness Grievances against Rohr and the List, you would see where I pointed out this ain't a World Cup List, that anything can happen between now and before the List is made.

Player like Etebo is needed in the Team. He can be a super-Sub like Martial is doing at United. I will also include him on my List as a Joker on the Bench if I'm the Coach.

However, you and I have to agree that he's actually not a AM, and if you want his Best on the Pitch, play him as a Wing-Forward. He gets the Strength, Pace and Tenacity to torment any FB on his Way. His Exploits at the Olympic wasn't in the Hole but on the Wing if my Memory serves me right.

Hence we only have only Iwobi and Mikel who can play as AM in the Team. Ogu keeps making the List, yet he has not been tested in any competitive Match by Rohr. Thus he should have been the one on the supplementary List instead of Muazam; which would have balanced the Numbers of AMs and DMs on the List.

safarigirl:
no, you and Joebie are two f the least sentimental people on here. There are only about six of you at most

forgiveness:
Do you mean Chidiebere Nwakali who failed in LA liga 2 is ahead of Ramon Azeez?

komekn:
I see it as a disencouragement to players who are striving for excellence and the recognition of true exceptional talent devoid of sentiments and or favouritism.

The enthronement of mediocrity over exceptional quality.

Very dissapointing but not suprising this sort of unjustifiable approach is mirrored in so many areas of our national approaches in appointment and selection.

komekn:
I appreciate and respect your insight as one with depth. I think you are being diplomatic.

The player is in a team that is third from bottom and his league is in the real backwaters of European football and rated near number 30 overall. That is simply abysmal.

You know football. Scoring in the EPL, Championship, LaLiga, Bundesliga, etc and scoring in the Norwegian league are a thousand miles apart. That's the reality.

You know why the EPL, is so competitive is the speed at which you are closed down. So scoring is not easy the same goes for the Bundesliga, La Liga, Seria A, etc.

Yesterday evening, I was with a Nigerian U20 player who has played a couple of games for an EPL first team. He is left footed fast and I am not talking about Seyi Ojo. I have said he is not ready, with this kind of selection I don't know what to say to him.

with most national teams you know what the established criteria is for selection and you work towards those standards. In this case we are left bewildered.

Dude I know hundred of scouts and a least 10 heads of recruitment in English premiership and Championship clubs they would all find this bewildering. There response to me well you know you Nigerians and how you operate.

Oasis007:
When you see a sensible Person, it won't take minutes to identify him or her..... really appreciate your Input bro.

I'm ain't opposing the Invitation of Nwakali, rather objecting against too many inclusion of DMs in the List. If Rohr ain't satisfied with Agu or/and Ogu, he should have replaced him/them with Nwakali.

Nwakali is talented, but we've not seen him play for a longer time. Also hardly anyone is keeping Tabs on his Progress on this Thread except few Clips Tbaba1234 does post here once in a while.

However, if the Scout(s) believes he's ready for the National Call up, and gonna be an Upgrade in the Midfield, then we should wait till he plays. But Muazam Invitation wouldn't have been a call Bad either coz he's a natural AM with eyes for Goals.

Finally, I'm ain't clamoring for a must Invitation of Muazam, but only saying we need more AMs in the Team too. Iwobi can play AM comfortably same as Mikel, but Etebo ain't creative enough to play in the Hole. I will rather play him as a Box2Box Midfielder, play to his Strength, consider his Pace and Tenacity.

Joebie:
Exactly! invitation is done based on need.
Some of us talk as if coaches look at the playing history of all the players to make a selection.
I think it's all about what is needed that particular moment. And if the player called doesn't live up to the expectation he won't be recalled.
Which is why I kind of understand Kayode's exclusion.
Kayode will have to keep working hard to earn another call.

Joebie:
Sometimes I wonder how many championship players get called up by national team coaches. Your measurement of the quality of the English second tier is subjective. I said it before that I don't think Rohr has a high opinion of the championship. Of course we know very well that Aina was with Chelsea's main team when we started the push for him.

Anyway I could be wrong, but don't forget that most of these lads you are clamoring for need to make a switch first. Not like they can be called up right away. So why the noise?


The question remains are there other Defensive Midfield options out there? Azubuike Okechukwu, the younger Nwakali, and Ramon Azeez comes to mind. Of the these, none are clearly ahead of Chidiebere. It's not about who get's the chance first, it's about who grabs their chance with both hands. Hence, there is no cause for alarm.

komekn:
He was always on Tottenham bench played 30 games for Tottenham in two seasons and started as a 17 year old.

The other part of the story is who is ahead of him Lamela (Argentina), Winks, Dele Alli, Dier (England), Wanyama (Kenya), Dembele (Belguim), Sissoko (France), Eriksen (Denmark) all these players are proven tested international with a price range of £25 million and above apart from Winks.

How many 20 year old players in the world face that level of competition in the midfield. I would suggest None. How many Nigerian international current and past have ever faced that level of competition.

Finally do you know how many loan moves Harry Kane had before he became the deadliest striker in the premiership. Now Real Madrid are looking at him and every top club with big money.

So let's get things in perspective. Onomah is outstanding quality.

komekn:
He was always on Tottenham bench played 30 games for Tottenham in two seasons and started as a 17 year old.

The other part of the story is who is ahead of him Lamela (Argentina), Winks, Dele Alli, Dier (England), Wanyama (Kenya), Dembele (Belguim), Sissoko (France), Eriksen (Denmark) all these players are proven tested international with a price range of £25 million and above apart from Winks.

How many 20 year old players in the world face that level of competition in the midfield. I would suggest None. How many Nigerian international current and past have ever faced that level of competition.

Finally do you know how many loan moves Harry Kane had before he became the deadliest striker in the premiership. Now Real Madrid are looking at him and every top club with big money.

So let's get things in perspective. Onomah is outstanding quality.

Joebie:
Let me put you in Rorh's situation. You have your scouts and you tell them you are looking for more defensive midfield options. You have looked at Agu, Ogu, but you want to see a player that scores crackers. Your scouts go to work, who will they recommend?

My point is you don't know what Rorh is looking for at every particular moment. The building of a team is a gradual process. We should expect maybe more new names in his next invitation, depending on how the team has taken shape and the qualities Rohr wants to add.

Muazam is not an LB. Rohr already has the LB covered with Ebeuhi and Aina available.

Lucque:
2017 sir

tbaba1234:
Who are your better options at DM that are currently fit?

I am not sure of Nwakali's readiness for national team duty but the coach must have reviewed scouting reports to invite him. How many Nigerian players score the type of goals that Nwakali has scored in the last couple of seasons?

Icon4s:
It is even when we field those players you mentioned all at once that we will lose

forgiveness:
Is there no corruption in the selection of players and NFF?

forgiveness:
Chidiebere Nwakali was a failure in LA liga 2 but some people want me to believe otherwise.

safarigirl:
my dear, I'm good o.

I am not saying he should not cry about whoever is missing from the list, but he can wail without dragging and ridiculing Chidiebere Nwakali.

We cannot follow everything going on in every league and Rohr has scouts who have given him what must be favourable feed back concerning these players, so, I don't see what the wailings of an inconsequential being can achieve. Stats never tell the full story.

I did not see my guy, Dessers on the list and I'm not having a panic attack