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Do you physically punish your children as a method of correction, as recommended in the following OT passages?



Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently)."
Prov 19:18: "Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying."
Prov 22:15: "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."
Prov 23:13: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."
Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel)."
Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."

tpia:
@ Tasma:

Yes, its very possible to be spiritual but still lack knowledge. A very tragic example is the recent generator mishap where so many people lost their lives because they didnt know the dangers of inadequate ventilation when using a generator.

I'm surprised no one has raised the question yet of why God didnt prevent it from happening- after all, they were all there for a prayer meeting/exorcism/deliverance session. May they RIP.



I don't know of any single recorded instance where Jesus told his followers to abandon common sense for mumbo-jumbo, the way many people here on Nairaland especially, misread, misquote and misyarn whenever they think they have the key to heaven's gate.


Neither is anyone querying why, with all the religiousness in Nigeria, corruption is still so deeply entrenched in the society. People are abusing the civil leaders but crying and cursing whenever their favorite religious figures are queried. Even the ones fleeing the country as a result of poverty, will still insist there's nothing wrong with religion in Nigeria.

Did you see my post on the tragic (or perhaps marvelous ) incident of the 17 deaths; Here they are;

huxley:
This is a most sad incident and my heart goes out to the families of the deceased. To correct you, I am not mocking the loss of these people. Far from it. I am simply mocking the thought process that cause them to gather together for this occasion. BTW, I am not a m-slim.

You have to remember that the religious (Christians and non-Christians) are usually the first to give credit to their god(s) when the happenstance favours them. In fact, not long ago, someone posted a thread recounting the incident of an explosion in a church that totally destroyed the building. The explosion happened at a time when the church choir would normally the practising their song, but on this fateful evening, the choir had failed to gather in the church. This was seen as the hand of god directing the choir to absent themselves from the church building that evening.

Was it really the hand of god? Why did he not save the building as well? So if god can be given credit for the one act in which no one lost their lives, he should also take credit for the other act in which there was loss of lives. Ironically, these people were gathered together to sing and chant praises to him. Why did he let this happen to them. Hence, the comment, "Nothing fails like prayers".

huxley:
BTW, Is this event a tragedy and to whom is it a tragedy? The 17 people who died have had their passage into the "next world" facilitated by the gas leak. The Christian regularly remind us that this world is not for them, so presumably the sooner they get out of this world into the next, the better it is for their soul.

So from a Christian perspective, they should be celebrating this event for ushering in the passage of their friends to their much sought-after world

huxley:
This is a most sad incident and my heart goes out to the families of the deceased. To correct you, I am not mocking the loss of these people. Far from it. I am simply mocking the thought process that cause them to gather together for this occasion. BTW, I am not a m-slim.

You have to remember that the religious (Christians and non-Christians) are usually the first to give credit to their god(s) when the happenstance favours them. In fact, not long ago, someone posted a thread recounting the incident of an explosion in a church that totally destroyed the building. The explosion happened at a time when the church choir would normally the practising their song, but on this fateful evening, the choir had failed to gather in the church. This was seen as the hand of god directing the choir to absent themselves from the church building that evening.

Was it really the hand of god? Why did he not save the building as well? So if god can be given credit for the one act in which no one lost their lives, he should also take credit for the other act in which there was loss of lives. Ironically, these people were gathered together to sing and chant praises to him. Why did he let this happen to them. Hence, the comment, "Nothing fails like prayers".

so that some gullible people may be exploited and fleeced.

If Jesus were alive today (assuming that he ever lived), and if the GO were to walk up to him, do you know what Jesus might say to him?

see what some men of god get up to?

did he really say this?

Are there any reports of the G.O having been ordered by god to buy this jet? What if it was god's wish that he buys it but he refuses to do so, would that be disobeying god's plans?

If if he goes ahead and buys it and at some point in the future runs into, say, financial trouble with it? Or worse still, and god forbids, he runs into an accident with it in which everyone is killed. Would that have been god's plan as well. In fact, this reminds me of the Nigerian Pastor who died in an plane crash some years ago. It was later found that this pastor had been living a duplicitous life, like marrying a second wife in secrecy while still married to his first wife. hahaha

How the sheep are easily fleeced!

BTW, Is this event a tragedy and to whom is it a tragedy? The 17 people who died have had their passage into the "next world" facilitated by the gas leak. The Christian regularly remind us that this world is not for them, so presumably the sooner they get out of this world into the next, the better it is for their soul.

So from a Christian perspective, they should be celebrating this event for ushering in the passage of their friends to their much sought-after world

Many of these questions remain unanswered!

The present seems like the best time ever to be a human and to walk the earth. Science, technology and humanitarian advances have transformed the planet to such an extend that an 18th century human would be totally lost in the modern world. A great many of these advances have been the result of some single minded individuals, for whom we all owe a great debt and gratitude. However, many to not fully appreciate just how indebted we must be to some of the great giants of the past.

If you lived only 200 years ago and were African, you stood a great risk of being sold into slavery. We should be grateful that this vile practice is now considered reprehensible and illegal in most societies

If you lived only 400 years ago in Europe, only on suspicion of witchcraft you could be burned at the stake or lynched. Thankfully, in more rationalistic societies witchcraft is no longer seen as a threat. Unfortunately, in many parts of Africa witchcraft is still taken serious with the effect that many people are exploited of lose their lives.

If you lived 200 years ago and required a surgical operation, you would have had to endure the operation without the benefit of anaesthesia, and would have been really lucky if your surgeon had washed their hands.

If you lived 2000 years ago, any form of illness would have been attributable to demonic forces, with the result that you almost certainly would not have been given the proper treatment.

I could go on and on, but you get my drift. The present generation owes a great debt of gratitude to our forebears for the great work they have done to make our lives so bearable today.

What are you grateful for from the past generation? What do you think succeeding generations will be grateful for from our present generation?

JeSoul:
therationa/huxley/tpaine
can you not for once resist the urge to spread your fatally flawed atheist propaganda? Millico is here giving his testimony, do you really think he is about to be swayed by your carnal and worldly method of reasoning? please for once allow a christian(s) to bless each other and praise God without interfering.

When your faulty and infantile reasoning is found out, you react by throwing tantrums. C'mon, what was wrong with my analysis of the posters account?

I would use it to kill him

lazy:
The natural role models to any child is usually their parents. Even if one chooses not to look at them as such, they are the first individuals that you observe the behavior of. They shape who you are from a very young age whether they are "good" or "bad" (for you to decide good and bad) role models. That shaping stays with a child even into their adulthood. Even if one is missing it provides some instruction to a child as well.

I don't think you should ever stop seeking "role" models?? I am always in a constant state of grow and depending in what area of growth I am in, there is usually someone that can give me information about that. I don't know if under your definition you would call it a role model but I see that as such.

I am in state of constant growth in my life. There will never be a time when that will end.

Do you have a problem with "role" models and how do you define "role" models?

I agree, parent tend to be unconscious ( to the child) role models to their children and the parent-child relationship is one of the most fundamental of relationships.

No I do not have a problem with role models. In fact there are many people I could consider good role model, although I think as one matures one should learn to wean oneself from that of the minor in the relationship.

Although you would not have known, the reason I raised this question was as precursor to the question of "elder" in traditional African societies. I wanted to first of all tease out what nairalanders felt about looking up to role models before raising the question.

Just within the last minute, I was reading a review on Amazon on this very subject. Check it out here;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thinking-Ape-Evolutionary-Origins-Intelligence/dp/0198522657/ref=wl_itt_dp?ie=UTF8&coliid=I7VRNUUCXPEB5&colid=39JOWIXXH9JGE

Have the Abrahamic religious beliefs (Christianity & Is-lam), so prevalent in Nigeria, had an overall beneficial effect in Nigeria society?

Have these beliefs been a force for good in the society or have they been the seedbeds for social division, mal-education and exploitation?

Discuss.

gbekumoyan:
Hey Huxley!

It's not likely I crave for the level of maturity that robs me of undestanding basic spiritual principles. Meanwhile, you haven't answered my question, or have you? takia u.

Then you are like the sick woman who is attached to her malady . Your malady gives you a delusion to occupy your mind and your time. Unfortunately, this malady is highly contagious and you are seeking to infect others with it.

How the sheep are easily shone!

Whilst it is really sad what happened to your friend, I cannot help but think that you are committing a logical error of thinking. Let me ask you the following question to highlight what I mean;


1) Assuming you reside in America (or Nigeria), why have you never had a dream about a certain Mr Chungsong who lives in a small village in South western China?

2) Have you ever had a dream about grand-parents ten generations past? If you haven't, why not?


Essentially, our dreams are drawn from things, events, people and phenomenon in our consciousness. Your dear dead friend had not been dead long and was obviously still a part of your consciousness from the great care you showed towards his children. Although your girlfriend had never met your friend, she too appeared to have been touched by the story of his death and the plight of his family. The fact that you had been planning a trip to see his children also would have reinforced his impression in your consciousness. So it is not strange that your dreams would bring up these elements of your consciousness.

My dad died nearly 20 years ago but never a month goes by without me having dreams in which he is featured. I also have regular dreams about some friends who died when I was at college more than 20 years ago.

But why have I never had a dream about Mr Chungsong in China? Well, because he is not part of my consciousness. However, am sure Mr Chungsong's close friends and family do have dreams in which he is featured.

It is inevitable that if you live long enough, there will come a point when almost everyone you dream about would have been dead. Would this mean that all these people have ended up in heaven?

What would a dream in which the following characters are features - Hitler, Sadam, Constantine, Idi Amin, mean? I wonder!

Let's not go into the question of why god would so have arranged for his child (your friend) to have met his dead in so cruel a manner. Was god not aware that he was a christian and had two young children to raised? Or was "heaven" a better place for him than his filial duties to his family?


Man - straighten up your thinking.

Why would one want to belong to a world that persecutes them? Not only is christianity falsehood it persecute people for being who they are?

Ecrasez L'infame.

gbekumoyan:
hi huxley.

Long time, been away for a while. How are you?

What exactly do you think you can change about your creator, child of perdition? Do give me a list.
It will take you a whole miserable lifetime, if you keep trying. Deep down in you, you feel
that emptiness, but your pride won't let you admit it. Well, like it happened to lucifer, an eternal fall is the outcome
of such arrogance toward God. hope you'll realise it before its too late.

talk 2u later.

This is utter rubbish and you sadly betray your ignorance by this comment. When you are mature enough intellectually come back and we can talk. Bye!

Do you model your life, career, education and mental development on individuals you admire? In fact, do you think the concept of role model is a healthy one? At what age should one refrain from seeking role models and rely on one's own internal mature resources?

What are your criteria for selecting your role models and what would be your reaction upon learning of something negative about your role models?

lucabrasi:
dude,im really dissappointed in that comment you just made,from your posts on this section of nland im guessing you are a devout muslim,and im sure the islamic religion doesnt teach you to mock people with this kind of sad occurence,there s a limit to religious fanatism

This is a most sad incident and my heart goes out to the families of the deceased. To correct you, I am not mocking the loss of these people. Far from it. I am simply mocking the thought process that cause them to gather together for this occasion. BTW, I am not a m-slim.

You have to remember that the religious (Christians and non-Christians) are usually the first to give credit to their god(s) when the happenstance favours them. In fact, not long ago, someone posted a thread recounting the incident of an explosion in a church that totally destroyed the building. The explosion happened at a time when the church choir would normally the practising their song, but on this fateful evening, the choir had failed to gather in the church. This was seen as the hand of god directing the choir to absent themselves from the church building that evening.

Was it really the hand of god? Why did he not save the building as well? So if god can be given credit for the one act in which no one lost their lives, he should also take credit for the other act in which there was loss of lives. Ironically, these people were gathered together to sing and chant praises to him. Why did he let this happen to them. Hence, the comment, "Nothing fails like prayers".

Many tribes around the world perform ritual mutilations of the male and female sex organs. The original reason for these forms of bodily mutilations may be lost in the past but traditions compels a lot of cultures to perpetuate the act. When act is done for tradition's sake, that is usually the cue for me to cast a critical eye on that act. In the distant past, male genital mutilation or circumcision used to serve as the rite of passage into manhood and as such circumcision was performed in the late teens.

The notion of rites of passages is fast disappearing in urban centres and so is the teen-circumcisions. However, the need to remove the male foreskin is not going the same way. Instead this is now predominant done of days-old children. Essentially, these operations are cosmetic surgeries performed on child for no medical reasons whatsoever, without the consent of the children. If these operations are useful to the recipient, shouldn't be the prerogative of such to decide whether to have the operation or not?

Female circumcision has and even more objectionable motive - to deprive the lady of her right of sexual pleasure. This practice comes form the cultural milieu where women are seen as the possession of the male and an object for the male to use for his sexual gratification. This is as reprehensible as the male genital mutilation.

Whilst the majority of people and some international organisations condemn female circumcision, male genital mutilation is just not seen in the same light as female circumcision. I want to advance the view that both practices are equally objectionable.

Facial scarifications is something that has puzzled me for some time. Does anyone know the reason for this practice?

Nothing fails like prayers

londoner:
Poster, don't worry. White people in their own little groups are probably "Black bashing" also.

Absolutely true. There are pockets of "XXXX Bashing" everywhere (where XXXX maybe White, Black, Chinese, Igbo, Yoruba, Zulu, etc, etc)

The goal of the humanitarian egalitarian (ha) is to eliminate these various forms of bashing, principally thru education. The fact that there are some who Black Bash does not mean that the appropriate response is to bash them too. That would just be insane.

Shall I suppose that from your username you reside in London? How would you feel if you had an employer or boss who was a Black-basher?

Alas, I already see typical stereotypical comments about Chinese on this post

I posted a thread last week, eliciting predictions about the far future (2000 years) given what we know has transpired in the recent past and given the pace of scientific and technological advancements. See https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-150777.0.html. I was horrified to get the following responses;

Ruby_Pearl:
I see myself not caring.

In the next decades I won't be here, so why should I worry about the next 2000 years. rubbish.

echelon:
I don't give a damn about what the world will look like in 2000years time because I'm not staying that long.

Huxley you'd probably take up a career in philosophy

Not only did these fail to address the question I had posited, they also revealed a callous disregard for the welfare of generations to come. That got me wondering whether this attitude was more wide-spread and strongly held amongst members of Nairaland or Africans.

Basically, how far into the future should we care about the plight of the world? If your concerns were only restricted to the next few decades, what economic, social, environmental, educational and developmental policies would you disregard as a result of your limited care and concern?

Case in point: NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration) is currently investing billions of dollars investigating ways of securing the earth against asteroid impact. Given that such impacts have happen many times in the past and that it is a certainty that it will happen again, is this a worthwhile endeavour?


Are there a class of people who are only concerned about their own short-term welfare and how does this attitude bode for the construction of a well-balanced and egalitarian society?

lucabrasi:
ok,will you rather have us feeling sorry for the whites then?or will you rather start campaigning that
the agricultural rebate and food shortage in africa is not the whites fault?
divide and rule at independence is not the whites fault
racism is not the white's fault, i could go on and on,
you r hinging all your argument on a single african ill,slavery of children and then going on and on about white bashing without looking at the underlying causes of that particular malaise,whats with the chinese bashing??
irrespective of the chinese's political ideals,they gave us dirt cheap goods,they r pumping money into our economies,yes they take a lot from africa interms of oil and other resources but they certainly give a lot back as well,and the average chinese multi millionaire will work side by side with an african man no matter how dirty the job is, so please get your facts right before condemning africa and the chinese

Where are the facts you build your arguments on?

davidylan:
Acts 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, 11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

Romans 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

If the bible is to be believed, then Jesus and his close friends were all Jews, and like all Jews they would have observed the Jewish laws of diet and hygiene. It is inconcievable that as Jesus and his apostle sat down to dinner they would have tucked into slabs of pork chops, or lamb not slaughtered in the proper way. In fact, Jesus is seen endorsing the Old Testament laws in Matt 5: 17 - 20. Why did Jesus have to make this point?

Do you think the matter of dietary laws and food would have been an issue of controversy in Jesus's coterie? I doubt it. Could JC have foreseen a time when this would have been an issue?

If Yes, then he could have instructed them as to the proper course of action.

Some Christian answer this by saying that JC left part of his mission to be completed by the Holy Spirit (HS). But this raises another question, viz;

Which entity is a more reliable conveyor of information - a real flesh/blood person OR some spirit?

Are we sure that the vision Peter is supposed to have had constituted an abrogation of century-old dietary traditions. If JC had delivered this message in person would it have had more weight? Is this the same Peter would caused the death of two members of his church because they only contributed half of the proceeds of the sale of their land?