₦airaland Forum

gensteejay:
He listed their importance. Some of those could be beneficial or harmful from the human perspective.

Their importance is their purposes.

And humans are only one of the habitants of this planet.

Guy, the simple truth is that nature is. There is no importance to anything, there is no purpose to anything, and life has no meaning. Nature is just is.

Nature doesn't care about anyone or the universe because it doesn't have feelings, it doesn't think, it just is, like a virus, like water.

Try and modify your reasoning to follow this thought line, that's how you start seeing everything for what it is exactly, and not try to ascribe any religious thing to it.

Anything that happens in nature happens because the right conditions from years of evolution has allowed it to happen.

gensteejay:
Which of the inert elements? You know there are different inert elements.

As for radioactive elements, they serve many purposes in nature. Some radioactive elements like Uranium and Plutonium are used to design bombs.

Bombs are used in wars, etc. Things like wars and death from a universal perspective are necessary to balance our world and keep the human population in check.

When people die from wars and are buried, their carcass decays to form fossil fuel which can benefit future humans and power their world.

But nature is already doing all the above @bolded on its own. War is useless, has always been, and nature doesn't need human fossil to form fuel since it can do so by other means.

LordReed:
You guys propose that an intelligent designer created everything, so what was its purpose for these sorts of elements?

I would like to know too. Invite @Shadeyinka, he seems to be all in with the Intelligent Design ish.

Zoroaster:
It's quite clear

Gaggii:
But has not been able to cure corona

As in eeh. I tire o... That dude is mentally disturbed.

whitestar01:
I just don't understand your point and your problem. You mentioned someone in the previous page which indicates that you want to be convinced that Christianity is fairytale, right?

You won't understand my point because your brain lacks the capacity at the moment to understand simple sarcasm even when it is staring you in the face.


Read... and understand, then ask a question someone can understand because i don't know what you are even talking about!

Dtruthspeaker:
You see yourself Anti-Christ! You posed a seemingly reasonable question to which we have reasonably answered.

Now you have shown that it was malicious with intent to remove shallow Christians from the way of Life unto Death.

How are you different from Satan who deceived Eve that she shall not die? Why did he not let live her life?

Just as you have you decided in the way in which you want to go, without duress, you have no right to force Christians to follow you. Stay in your place.

I am well aware and never denied that it is reported in the Bible that Mary was not impregnated by Joseph and I perceived it was to a wicked purpose you asked this question and all the most dirty and vile imaginations flowing from what is seen in nature.

Your brothers have called her every wicked name under the earth, in an attempt to destroy the birth of the Lord on earth as men are, nothing new here and it is rather a shame that you did not clearly call her what you had in your soul, after all it is your own soul, voice and mouth.

So seeing that you are a devil, there is no gain in answering you for it is seen and known that Darkness dies because light has come, Lies dies because Truth has come, Satan dies because God has come.

I am not God only flesh, blood and spirit. Wait for the Highest when He shall come we would all be witnesses one to another who shall be put to shame and die and who shall prevail and live.

Hahahahahahahahaha.
I will reply you with your own post below...Infact, your post below is my reply to your junk above!!!

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't be silly! We are talking about the things Seen and Experienced in and around this world and their boundaries and limitations.

My reasoning is confined to the things that are Clearly Seen in this world and it is about the things of this world that we are contending with Only, not the things beyond it.

So now attempting to carry me into space and universe will not work, for no one on earth CERTAINLY knows the boundaries and limits and laws which operate in the universe. And this is not the purpose of our contention, so don't change the argument by bringing another issue which was not in issue here.

Slave...

whitestar01:
Seventeen verses in the New Testament describe Jesus as the “son of David.” But the question arises, how could Jesus be the son of David if David lived approximately 1,000 years before Jesus? The answer is that Christ (the Messiah) was the fulfillment of the prophecy of the seed of David (2 Samuel 7:12–16). Jesus is the promised Messiah, which means He had to be of the lineage of David. Matthew 1 gives the genealogical proof that Jesus, in His humanity, was a direct descendant of Abraham and David through Joseph, Jesus’ legal father. The genealogy in Luke 3 traces Jesus’ lineage through His mother, Mary. Jesus is a descendant of David by adoption through Joseph and by blood through Mary. “As to his earthly life [Christ Jesus] was a descendant of David” (Romans 1:3).

Primarily, the title “Son of David” is more than a statement of physical genealogy. It is a Messianic title. When people referred to Jesus as the Son of David, they meant that He was the long-awaited Deliverer, the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies.

Jesus was addressed as “Lord, thou son of David” several times by people who, by faith, were seeking mercy or healing. The woman whose daughter was being tormented by a demon (Matthew 15:22) and the two blind men by the wayside (Matthew 20:30) all cried out to the Son of David for help. The titles of honor they gave Him declared their faith in Him. Calling Him “Lord” expressed their sense of His deity, dominion, and power, and calling Him “Son of David,” expressed their faith that He was the Messiah.

The Pharisees understood exactly what the people meant when they called Jesus “Son of David.” But, unlike those who cried out in faith, the Pharisees were so blinded by their own pride that they couldn’t see what the blind beggars could see—that here was the Messiah they had supposedly been waiting for all their lives. They hated Jesus because He wouldn’t give them the honor they thought they deserved, so when they heard the people hailing Jesus as the Savior, they became enraged (Matthew 21:15) and plotted to destroy Him (Luke 19:47).

Jesus further confounded the scribes and Pharisees by asking them to explain the meaning of this very title: how could it be that the Messiah is the son of David when David himself refers to Him as “my Lord” (Mark 12:35–37; cf. Psalm 110:1)? The teachers of the Law couldn’t answer the question. Jesus thereby exposed the Jewish leaders’ ineptitude as teachers and their ignorance of what the Old Testament taught as to the true nature of the Messiah, further alienating them from Him.

Jesus’ point in asking the question of Mark 12:35 was that the Messiah is more than the physical son of David. If He is David’s Lord, He must be greater than David. As Jesus says in Revelation 22:16, “I am the Root and the Offspring of David.” That is, He is both the Creator of David and the Descendant of David. Only the Son of God made flesh could say that.

Oga, nowhere in the bible was it written that Jesus traced his lineage from Mary.
Both Mathew and Luke said he is the son of Joseph.

Moreover, Mathew specifically mentioned the name of women in the genealogy, and Mary was not one of them. Get your facts right.

The Gospel of Luke was written years after Matthew was written, so it's just a copy and paste work for a different audience.
You guys should really start reading the Bible.

Lukuluku69:
It was a Lie told to hoodwink the Jews in believing that the Nazarene was the Deliverer that they were waiting for.

There is the Prophecy that Joseph being a fruitful bough and him being an Ensign for all the Nations of the world. It is him that the whole world will gather around.

Please look for the Prophecy. It is where/when Jacob was blessing his sons.

That Nation strength is in Joseph and not Judah as wrongly believed.

Please find the prophecy and bring here...

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't be silly! We are talking about the things Seen and Experienced in and around this world and their boundaries and limitations.

My reasoning is confined to the things that are Clearly Seen in this world and it is about the things of this world that we are contending with Only, not the things beyond it.

So now attempting to carry me into space and universe will not work, for no one on earth CERTAINLY knows the boundaries and limits and laws which operate in the universe. And this is not the purpose of our contention, so don't change the argument by bringing another issue which was not in issue here.

Lol
See who is advising to keep the discussion on topic. Are you suffering from amnesia?
Same person who is in denial and talking about death, and what happens after death.

Dtruthspeaker:
True, but what shall you gain in return for knowing the answer to this question? Knowing the answer would still not prevent your death.

Whether the Bible is written or not, the first Clear Truth is that you did not create or make yourself. You did not will yourself into existence.

By the Laws of Nature, Someone or something which exists Must create you. Cars, was made by man not by itself, all men came to meet the land (earth), seas, animals and plants already here.

No man on earth ever made them. therefore seeing all these, all men must know that Some Mighty One made them and therefore we Must be Answerable to Him, whether we have done he created us for like our cars, laptops and phones or we did contrary.

Do we not destroy phones, laptops and cars that did not work well, therefore it is reasonable to expect that thy Creator is capable of doing the same to you if you do not His Will. This is the decision of Life and Death.

WINDSOW:
Funny guy!

Don't you agree?

LordReed:
So this creator waits until humans are dead to repair them?

Hahahahahahahah.

Oga oh! You go kill person with Question o, lol.

Dtruthspeaker:
True, but what shall you gain in return for knowing the answer to this question? Knowing the answer would still not prevent your death.

Whether the Bible is written or not, the first Clear Truth is that you did not create or make yourself. You did not will yourself into existence.

By the Laws of Nature, Someone or something which exists Must create you. Cars, was made by man not by itself, all men came to meet the land (earth), seas, animals and plants already here.

No man on earth ever made them. therefore seeing all these, all men must know that Some Mighty One made them and therefore we Must be Answerable to Him, whether we have done he created us for like our cars, laptops and phones or we did contrary.

Do we not destroy phones, laptops and cars that did not work well, therefore it is reasonable to expect that thy Creator is capable of doing the same to you if you do not His Will. This is the decision of Life and Death.

Using exactly this your logic, it also means that the person you are calling thy Creator and Mighty One was also created by another Creator and Mighty One, who was also created by another Creator and Mighty One, who was also created by another Creator and Mighty One, who was also created by another Creator and Mighty One...till infinity!

Your logic is flawed obviously ab initio!


By the way, i don't hope to gain anything but rather to show people like you that the Bible is all lies upon lies. If you still continue to believe the lie even when it is staring you in the face, then something is definitely wrong with you as a person. This is because, it is no longer religious beliefs, but just simple denial.

I'm sure you first went and checked to see if i was lying, and then when you found out it is the truth, you started asking me what i hope to gain. Can you imagine! You dey fear the truth ni?

FanRong:
You could claim its offpoint because you failed to understand my response.
You dont understand the Bible passages with carnal mind, ok. It is not novel.

Seeing as you understand the bible, why not educate us that don't understand it and explain how exactly Jesus came from Joseph's blood line. I'm sure the holy spirit has revealed it to you.

Regards!

sonmvayina:
It is the personification of this spirit that religionists term God.. They give the spirit human attributes to pass a message that we are part of it and he is part of us.. Since one attribute of this spirit is omnipresent

The person you quoted is a religionist!

I collapsed that last post on this thread by @Shadeyinka. Don't want any imaginary nonsense here please.

You have failed to prove your case when given the chance, best to leave it at that!

The book i was writing has really affected this thread, but i will be back to spit it back in the abundance... This thread is for the ages, and I will make it so.

Regards!!

thesicilian:
Yes. Legally means by law.

So, how does "legally" transform to blood?

FanRong:
To prove that Jesus is the son of Almighty God, the most high, He defiled so many scientific proves. Example.

01. How He was conceived.
02.Turning water into wine.
03. Walking on water
04. Feeding the 5000
05. Healing the sick
06. Raising the dead.
07. Sweating blood
08. Resurrection from the dead
09. Ascending into Heavens
10. And many more I cant remember or not recorded in the Bible.

So, you can only understand His existence with the help (Inspiration) of the Holy Spirit.
Ask for that First.
Thank you.

Sorry bro, but you are talking off point!

The bible said Jesus is a descendant of David through Joseph, but Joseph didn't impregnate Mary according to the same bible.

Why not comment on that, instead of bringing in unrelated things to the topic.

Regards!!!

Dantedasz:
I suggest you goggle the 2nd century Greek writer Celsus and a Roman soldier named Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera/Panthera.
Although quite frankly I don't believe Jesus as in the bible ever existed.

I will.

CAPSLOCKED:
WHILE MATHEW TRACES HIS ANCESTRY TO DAVID THROUGH JOSEPH, LUKE TRACES IT TO DAVID AGAIN THROUGH MARY.
NOW I WONDER IF JOSEPH AND MARY WERE RELATIVES.

Lol.

I think it is the realisation of the mistake made in Mathew.
The Gospel of Luke was written 15yrs after the Gospel of Mathew was written.

hakeem4:
I do not think anyone should believe the story of someone getting pregnant with the aid of the Holy Spirit. It looks more like parthenogenesis to me

True.

GuestLog:
Mary is the connection. Not Joseph.

Modified: I just realized I was wrong.

Good for you.

WINDSOW:
Blessed are those who didn't c but yet believed.

Blessed are those who ask questions, for they shall receive answers.

thesicilian:
Yes Joseph is the "blood" connection, the connection of Mary to David is not expressly mentioned in the new testament.
However, through her marriage to Joseph, Mary became legally a part of Joseph's family line.

By law, and not by blood. Moreover, Mary was already pregnant before marrying Joseph.

gensteejay:
Try to widen your scope about the concept of God beyond the human-like entities worshipped in Abrahamic religions and other major world religions.

I may create a thread later about my own view about the concept of God and invite you and other atheists to critique it.

I'm a freethinker bro... I don't have a restricted view or any concept of God.

No problem @bolded.

gensteejay:
Obviously, you can do so to suit the narrative of the paradox creator since it's all about making the paradox look paradoxical as far its proponents are concerned.

So what exactly is your point then?

According to the bible, Jesus Christ of Nazareth is a descendant of David with Joseph as Jesus' connection to David.
But, Joseph didn't impregnate Mary.

gensteejay:
It's all boils to how the concept of God is defined in the paradox. So, the person that designed the paradox is working based on his definition of God, which looks like one of the gods in Abrahamic religions.

Is omnipotence just one of the traits of God?

If an entity is all-powerful (omnipotence), it is also reasonable the entity will be all-knowing (omniscient).


You sure know the link between knowledge and power.

If God is seen as the totality of existence, omnipresent (not bound by time and space), omnipotent and omniscient, then that paradox becomes logically absurd.

The paradox creator merely narrowed down his own criterion about God to just omnipotence to suit his narrative.

You could easily interchange Omnipotent with Omniscient or Omnipresent in the same paradox and still arrive at the same exact paradox conclusion bro.

odinson1:
No you dont
the paradox insinuates that nothing can ever be truly omnipotent,no matter how you want to define the being

Perfecto!

gensteejay:
It all boils to how you define god/God. I understand the paradox perfectly.

No, I honestly don't think you do understand it with the replies you are giving.

gensteejay:
If you define God as the sum total of all that's in existence, and such an entity isn't bound by time and space, that makes your argument logically absurd since the hypothetical stone is already a part of God.

It all boils down to your definition of the entity called God.

You don't understand.

Read the paradox again, then read your reply to it.

odinson1:
The religious Apologists will soon come for your head

Maybe i should open a thread with it.