onlyfacts: It's not my fault you didn't follow through with where the conversation started from, but rather you came in at a later stage to comment.
The previous commentator stressed that the "human body design is flawed", referring to how it is "structurally fabricated" as flawed, saying a human designer could have done a better "job" in designer a better body, which isn't true!
So the argument with him is in the "design". Seeing he could not find a flaw in human design he then brought up diseases that may affect the body as a proof of a flaw. I pointed out to him that in a production plant, defective products are not used as gold standard in examining the products rather it is that which is in a good working condition.
Now to the fact that a human body can be affected by diseases, it's an anomaly caused by various factors. Humanistic factors includes: Poor or unhealthy diet, lack of exercise, harmful and damaging habits(excessive smoking, drinking, drug abuse etc). This are self destructive behaviours that go against how the body is supposed to be used and maintained.
Intrinsic factor: Aging is yet another factor that causes our bodies to wear and tear. Scientist believe our bodies have the ability to live forever, all the information needed for the renewal of the cells are stored in the genes, but as we grow older "somethings" snaps in our genes and causes them to stop playing their roles and we slowly but surely start to age. Aging is abnormal based on the abilities of our genes and this has been the reason behind many scientific studies.
God's design of the body is a work of art but he tells us that because of "sin", the human body lost its perfection. Due to that lost perfection of the body aging occurs which causes wear and tear of it.
Read this excerpt below:
AGING TYPES, CAUSES, AND PREVENTION By Mark Stibich, PhD
Medically reviewed by Isaac O. Opole, MD, PhD
Updated on January 16, 2020
Aging: it's something we all do but understand very little about. Sure, it's easy to make a list of all the changes that come with age — memory loss, wrinkles, muscle loss — but no one really understands what aging is, why it happens and how to stop it.
What Is Aging?
Think of aging as "that which happens to our bodies over time." This definition encompasses all of the aging the human body goes through, as opposed to the signs of aging that occur later in life, like gray hair and wrinkles.
Some aging is caused by the body. Think kids growing and teenagers going through puberty. Other aging accumulates over time, like skin damage caused by sun exposure. As a result, aging is a combination of bodily changes and the impact of how we take care of ourselves.
In other words, aging is the impact of time on the human body, and it occurs on multiple levels:
Cellular aging. Cells age based on the number of times they have replicated. A cell can replicate about 50 times before the genetic material is no longer able to be copied accurately, which is due to shortened telomeres. The more damage done to cells by free radicals and other factors, the more cells need to replicate.
Hormonal aging. Hormones play a huge factor in aging, especially during childhood growth and adolescent maturity. Hormone levels fluctuate through life. Puberty brings acne and larger pores. As we get older, hormonal changes lead to dry skin and menopause.
Accumulated damage. Accumulated damage is all external. Exposure to toxins, the sun, harmful foods, pollution, and smoke take a toll on the body. Over time, these external factors can lead to tissue damage and the body falls behind in its ability to maintain and repair cells, tissues, and organs.
Metabolic aging. As you go about your day, your cells are constantly turning food into energy, which produces byproducts that can be harmful. The process of metabolizing and creating energy results in damage to the body over time. Some believe that slowing down the metabolic process through practices such as calorie restriction may slow aging in humans.
Aging Doesn't Discriminate
Our age-obsessed culture is completely consumed with slowing down aging and increasing longevity, but growing old is 100 percent unavoidable. The aging process doesn't discriminate. It starts early and it affects every major organ in the body.
For example, around the time a person is 20 years old, lung tissue loses its elasticity, the muscles around the rib cage begin to deteriorate and lung function, that is, the amount of air that can be inhaled, decreases.1 Production of digestive enzymes slows down, which affects how nutrients are absorbed into the body.
Fatty deposits build up in the blood vessels in the heart, and the vessels start to lose flexibility, resulting in atherosclerosis, or the hardening of the arteries.2 In women, vaginal fluid production decreases and sexual tissues atrophy. For men, the prostate can become enlarged and sperm production decreases.
Slowing Down Aging
As previously mentioned: aging can't be avoided. That being said, there are several measures you can take regardless of your age that can turn back your biological clock and help you live longer:3
Eat well. Within the past few decades, processed foods have become an increasingly larger part of our diets. Added sugar, salt, and fat are all wreaking havoc on our bodies, leading to a multitude of serious health issues, including cardiovascular disease and hypertension. Do yourself a favor and eat well. As a general rule of thumb, if you have to open it to eat it, you shouldn't be eating it. Read labels. Cut out sugary drinks and white starches, and incorporate more fruits, vegetables, fiber, and lean proteins.
Don't smoke. If you're a smoker, you've likely struggled with quitting, but don't give up. Quitting smoking improves circulation and blood pressure, and drastically reduces your risk of developing cancer.
Exercise. You might not be meeting the recommended 30 minutes of activity a day, 5 days a week, but the good news is that even just 15 minutes of moderate activity a day can improve longevity. Walk the dog, ride a bike or take a fitness class. Any activity is better than none at all.
Socialize. Socialization keeps us young and does wonders for longevity. Maintain good, healthy relationships with others. Stay connected to the ones you love and make it a point to meet new people.
Get sleep. Ignore the saying "you'll sleep when you're dead." You need sleep, regardless of the relationship you have with it. Get a good night of sleep every night and you'll reduce your risk of heart disease and lower your stress levels.
Don't stress. Stress, anger and holding onto grudges can be very damaging. If you work to reduce your stress levels now, you'll thank yourself later. Incorporate meditation or journaling into your day-to-day and give yourself a break.
From the above excerpt, it's clear that aging is normal, and that it must catch up with you whether you eat healthy or not.
Human body didn't lose perfection because it sinned, because human body was not perfect to begin with. There is only so much detoxification your liver can do before it tires itself. There is only so much the eyes can do before it succumbs to environmental degradation over time. All the parts in your body is designed to follow the rules of wear and tear over time. The human body can only last as much as the type of rest and what you feed it, to continue to burn it's fuel. At a point, it breaks down.
If the human body is as perfect as you thought: - then wear and tear should never affect it. - Invasive organisms and diseases shouldnt be able to harm a person. Also - There will be no need to sleep to rest your body. - It should not need food to sustain itself. - If the body of Adam and Eve were so perfectly made, what else did they need organic food for? ( The bible said they were placed in the garden of Eden with varieties of edibles.) This again lends credence to the fact that the body is not perfect, and evolved to seek out what it needs for survival over time. You can imagine the number of wild poisonous foods that has been consumed by the early people before most of the none-dangerous ones were found. Most of this none-dangerous ones have also been scientifically modified over time to provide specific nutrients to our body.
etrange: Lol... Bro, you need to understand that most people here are lads. You can tell they are kids by their comments and excessive desire to belong. Watch out, they will call you a simp (whatever that means). Hahaha...
The 'childishness' onhere is alarming. It's actually very funny when someone says "I want mature people here and not simps" and then you look at the mature people and be like WTH!. Imagine the OP calling someone irresponsible as if he had a 'responsible intention'. Or maybe the girl would have been 'responsible' if she had gone to his place instead of opting for a restaurant.
Dude can't just bear the fact that the lady did outsmart him and she's probably having a good laugh about it with her friends now.
emmy2fyn: yeah guys in the house, I meet a girl sometimes a go and as I toast her, I collected her number though she work with a bank and I have my job too . So after all I tried to see her but my nature of job doesn't permit me during the lockdown not until second week. Although I do call her and chart her everyday. As I just called her that I needed to see her then, she quickly said we should meet at a fast food joint and as we meet there, she was forming and I bought her something as normal and I think we had a wonderful day that time but thank God am a kind of person who watch before I sent or give money to girls that is, I don't wastes money on girl who don't deserve it.
later I just discover when I call her she will be receiving calls at night if I asked who's is calling she would say she don't like it ooo that it's a customer from the bank then I begins to suspect her because she received too much calls and we were already a month in that relationship. so when I tell her I want to see her she would suggest fast food joint so, I told her I was not paid salary due to lockdown but she's just willing that I should waste my money on her and she refuse to come to my place. Also she don't use to call me as she claimed she has no credit blablabla though I only sent her call card once and she didn't call me with it so she call again the following week that she needed a call card I simply told her to go and buy and she said no money and I said me also have no money.
So all of a sudden she just begins to call and chat that her birthday is coming, I should prepare money for her. me money ko money ni that is how I quit the useless girl. I could sponsor her birthday bill but she's very stupid and though I wanted to marry her but all her thought for me is to waste my cash on her and her boy friend but I rejected oooo thank God as I finally find my own girl
You guys will just enter into someone's life, the next thing you start complaining about them answering calls... So, because you entered their life, they should un-know everyone else they know because they're in a relationship with you?
Are you going to un-know everyone you know before you met her, or because you met her?
Men should try and curtail this possessive attitude over women. You don't have any right to expect anyone to change their lifestyle because they met you, unless they decide to. When you understand this rule, you will always know what to go for and who to go for.
P:S- Marriage is different, because in this case, you guys have agreed to be one intentionally.
Dtruthspeaker: Brother, you have just had a direct encounter with Antichrist in the Flesh, for they are human beings (flesh) not just evils spirits alone but also flesh and blood like you.
That's why Christ clearly said "by their fruits (products) ye shall know them; for an evil tree Must Only Produce evil fruits" Mathew 7: 17, 18 & 20.
Which is what All these technological advancement is meant to achieve in Truth. That is to make "AN EVIL TREE BEAR GOOD FRUITS" IN DEFIANCE OF THE SET, GOD'S NATURAL LAW.
So that they shall say and prove by technological machines which is physical, that God who is Spirit, is dead or never existed!
In my opinion, I think should they achieve this, and immediately they achieve this, then many Shall fall (as they wanted to fall) and there after, God shall Arise in Great Power and Glory: And all men shall see that great and wonderful day, and those who fell shall be put in Shame and shall say "alas, I have killed myself, and pleased Satan. Oh what a Fool I am"
Nnaaa eeh, see this guy o!
This guy fit dey think say i dey dine with Lucifer himself o... Someone that is using the same technology to write and post here...Na wao. This is one is serious!!!
E fit go begin dey do praying and fasting cuz of this o. Abeg o!!!
2. I've always said that an infinite regression of Cause and Effect is impossible with respect to creation.
Hence the Uncaused First-Cause will always be there to stare you at the face.
Lol... Can you remember the hypothetical question i asked you?
Remember i asked you that if you believe that God is the Uncaused First Cause, why do you dismiss the notion that the Universe itself is an Uncaused First Cause of itself?
sonmvayina: You are falling into problem because either by ommission or commission you are delebrately separating yourself from God...is it not easier for you to say..God is existence itself....you are making it sound like here and there..
When you pronounce God, do you pronounce it with capital "G"?
Here is how the word came to be associated with capital "G" in writing.
The development of English orthography was dominated by Christian texts. Capitalized, "God" was first used to refer to the Judeo-Christian concept and may now signify any monotheistic conception of God, including the translations of the Arabic Allāh, Persian Khuda, Indic Ishvara and the Maasai Ngai.
In the English language, capitalization is used for names by which a god is known, including 'God'. Consequently, its capitalized form is not used for multiple gods (polytheism) or when referring to the generic idea of a deity.[11][12] Pronouns referring to a god are also often capitalized by adherents to a religion as an indication of reverence, and are traditionally in the masculine gender ("He", "Him", "His" etc) unless specifically referring to a goddess.[13][14]
See how you jump to big bang which occured a mere 13.8 billion years ago!?
1. In the beginning, (let's start from 200billion years ago) before the big bang the singleton was a constant THEN there wouldn't be any Inflation or big-bang.
2. In the beginning, (let's start from 200billion years ago) before the big bang the singleton was a unstable THEN Inflation or big-bang should have occured much earlier!
How was the universe trillions of years before the big bang?
I already shown you how this discuss will go with you, no matter the disguise you twist your posts. It is baseless, a fundamentally pointless argument with no basis whatsoever.
Your argument will always beg the Question, "Who created the creator?" Something i know you cannot answer or resort to infinite regression is impossible.
By the way, the Physcist you are quoting for me made nonsense of religion in the book you are referring to (which necessitated the lecture on YouTube.) Have you even read the book? I doubt. Incase you decide to, it's free on PDFDRIVE.
shadeyinka: Unfortunately, you have to jump far into the future after all the fundermental particles have been formed and after all the elements have been created and the physical laws have been established to begin to argue how cement and steel assembled themselves into a functional skyscraper.
In the beginning according to science, there was NOTHING! Somehow, "the nothing " suddenly snowballed into generating fundermental particles like electron, neutron, protons and several subparticles. These suddenly started self "assemblying" according to some certain rules to form Hydrogen, Helium, Lithium , Beryllium etc and at a point the sizes where getting too high for the elements to remain stable.
So, the issue is not how the elements reacted together to form compounds BUT how from NOTHING, fundermental particles came out!
What right conditions will make nothing to become something?
It's "Fundamental" not fundermental.
As to your question, you always have this habit of stating as fact, what science didn't say. Science never said in the beginning, there was nothing. We have had this argument before. This is what science said below:
The Big Bang theory is a cosmological model of the observable universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution.[1][2][3] The model describes how the universe expanded from an initial state of very high density and high temperature,[4] and offers a comprehensive explanation for a broad range of observed phenomena, including the abundance of light elements, the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation, large-scale structure, and Hubble's law – the farther away galaxies are, the faster they are moving away from Earth. If the observed conditions are extrapolated backwards in time using the known laws of physics, the prediction is that just before a period of very high density there was a singularity. Current knowledge is insufficient to determine if anything existed prior to the singularity.
The next thing now, you jump to Singularity and start claiming that Singularity is the Unknown Cause...then you say the Unknown Cause is God! If i ask you now where then did this God come from, you tell me he created himself. When i ask you that that means that he came out of nothing, you start running around.
gensteejay: I have no time to waste on a purposeless person. Good luck with your nihilistic ideas i.e. leading a useless, purposeless life.
Some things even sound so unreasonable a right-thinking person should look at them with disdain.
Says the person who believes in the afterlife... and who also says he is not a religionist.
You should really give yourself that advice. Your bubble has been bursted today, now you are running like a scared dog with tails behind its hinds!!!
Try and be reasonable...Stop using your brain to assimilate junks which is obviously destroying your life. Heed the advice on the signature of your moniker!!!
gensteejay: What's my religion? Say it with a proof and expose your ignorance.
To even think that I have anything to do with Christianity shows that you've no idea about what what you're saying.
When a person has no purpose in life and sees no point in existence, it's such shallow people that engage in mass shootings and commit other atrocities like some terrorists do.
Leading a life of no purpose is no life; that makes you even worse than slaves that worship early beings (gods and goddesses) of religions.
You are a religionist! No straw grabbing for you, and no escape. You already talked about your belief in the afterlife.
By the way, you need to start understanding simple grammar. I'm talking about life, I'm not talking about humans... Humans are not the only being with life on earth!
Stop being shallow minded, that's why you never see the whole picture!
gensteejay: Just teach your kids all this nonsense, and tell them to lead a life without any purpose, in other words, be useless.
You just need to practise what you preach in real life, and see how the life of a useless person turns out.
Got better things to do.
You lack the capacity to argue reasonably obviously. The truth is bitter, you can't counter it so you resort to debasing yourself... like every other religionist.
That you decided to find something worthwhile doing while still riding your flesh does not change the ultimate fact that life is meaningless.
Everyone is simply living to die. It's not my business if you decide to live life joyriding on fantasies and make beliefs. But, it is my business to tell you the truth.
shadeyinka: So that in future men can exploit the stability of some elements and also exploit the instability of some elements to achieve good or bad! LOL!
No one can know why God did that in creation. I am still baffled by the kind of force that could from nothing assemble the positive protons diluted with neural neutrons and then bath them in a cloud of spinning and revolving electrons.
But on a serious note, it takes some massive external energy to make inherently unstable elements. That's why unstable elements will always decay to simpler more stable elements. It is easier for stable elements to be formed than unstable elements at the same time, the unstable elements break down into simpler/lighter but more stable element and energy is released . What is the source of these elergy that end up being released?
It's not rocket science.
Once the right conditions for a thing sets, that thing start's existing.
Does it rain in space? No, because there is no conditions that can facilitate raining in space.
Does a woman get pregnant on her own? No, because nature gave the other components to another.
How does weed grow in a farm despite everything to keep it away? Because the right conditions for it to grow exists there.
How does weed grow on a wall? Because the right conditions has existed for it to grow there.
How does fuel form? Because the right conditions exist for it to form.
Why does it rain on earth? Because the right conditions exists for it to rain on earth.
Why does it rain diamonds on Jupiter? Because the right conditions exists for it to do so.
None of this things happened overnight, they took years to happen. When you plant a seed, it takes the right conditions for them to germinate. If those conditions are not met, nothing will happen!
You guys just cannot accept the simple truth, always asserting things you cannot prove.
gensteejay: Common sense isn't that common. Shallow mindset.
And for your info, I'm not a religionist.
Of course you are a religionist.
Only religious people believe in the afterlife, something you have already said you believe.
@bolded, common sense is the art of using your brain (for simplicity purpose.) Apparently, you have left Christianity, but somehow you are still here trying to find meaning where there is none.
Why not use own common sense, and follow the advice you are giving me yourself.
gensteejay: Give me one cogent reason for something to merely exist. The Nairaland you're using merely exists, and you feel its owner created this forum to just exist?
If you design a system and it takes years to build it, you're saying you'd just conceive something, invest plenty of time and resources in designing it without serving any purpose?
Is there any sense in that?
You did not even answer the questions in the post you quoted.
I'm sure after answering them, you would have answered your own question.
gensteejay: Nature is an aspect of God Almighty, the matrix of all consciousnesses (souls) including all gods and goddesses of religions.
You cannot prove about the existence of God, so best not to start driving down that lane.
Whether Nature is an aspect of God or God is an aspect of nature, we cannot know. Our human mind lacks the capacity to know that, because we don't know shït about nature, we just know how some things happen.
gensteejay: If that's what you tell yourself, it's okay, at least for a nihilist. If you feel the whole point of existence is useless, definitely you see no point in living on earth.
When a person believes their existence has no purpose or importance, such a person seems lost/shallow.
Lol, going sentimental already? What, you can't handle the simple truth of life? Whether you believe your life has meaning or not, you still die and rot away, and add to nature...and the cycle continues until the earth cannot hold itself anymore and phase out.
This is the truth, and the earliest you understand it, the better for you.
I know its a bitter pill to swallow, but that's why it's the truth. All this religious sentimentality is just people giving themselves false hope to not confront the simple truth about life.
gensteejay: Nothing is useless. Everything has its importance. There's good in every bad occurrence, and there's bad in every good occurrence.
From the human perspective, when something has more merits than demerits for humanity, overall, that thing is good for humans (note the perspective).
Conversely, when something has more risks than benefits, that thing is bad/evil for humanity (still from the human perspective).
But humans only constitute one of the components of our planet, and make up a minute fraction of the whole universe.
From a human perspective, wars are bad generally. It's better and more prudent for people to settle their issues amicable without the need to engage in warfare.
Settling some things amicably may seem difficult.
Even when the world advances to a better stage, where the use of fossil fuels has been banned and there are environmental-friendlier sources of fuel, good and bad will always remain relatives as they've always been.
So long as humans will need to use some parts of nature to produce essential things, gadgets, fuels, etc., the use of those raw materials is evil to some inhabitants of this planet, to some components of nature.
It's all relative. For one to have depth about life's issues, one needs to note the relativity of certain things in life.
Things just exist bro. That you found use for them doesn't mean jack, except make you think your life on earth is better than others. Most of the things you found useful today, a lot of people lived in the past without them. Most of the things we found useful today, a lot of people will live without in the future. It's all meaningless. Stop attaching meaning to life, that's where the problem begins. Life has no meaning, will never do. Let me ask you, aren't the planet's/stars without life existing? What is the meaning of their existence? What purpose are they serving?
onlyfacts: Before I say any other thing, please amaze me with the many flaws of the human body and their corrections?
As perfect as your body is, simple cold, flu keeps you down, gets you shivering like an epileptic and running high on fever.
I don't even want to mention the bigger diseases and viruses and bacterias that will just fück you up with no human help(medicine/science).
Surely, your perfect designer also designed all this diseases to kill you, but yet never gave you the best body to fight them off... i mean, no matter how good your immune system is, there is always one sickness stronger than it right?
onlyfacts: I can't believe you just mocked the human design, by saying it is not a perfect work of art!
Even you can differentiate between something that is beautiful and something that's is not. I'm sure you can tell a beautiful girl from one who isn't so beautiful, in facials and form?
Yet you turn around and still mock the design.. Lol
Humans evolved... I'm sure when you see your ancestors from 1,000,000yrs ago, you will shudder!
Dogs, cows, goat, sheep, chicken, etc were all domesticated... Do you think they always looked that way? Fruits like Apple, Banana(not a fruit as they say), maize and a whole lot of other edible things have been genetically modified by humans over time to look the way they are now and carry more nutrients. Do you think they all looked this way in the past?
Do you think white people were all white in the past? The latest discovery of the Cheddar Man proves they were not.
You guys should really expand your knowledge by reading. Only ignorance makes people continue to believe in silly things, despite evidence saying otherwise!
gensteejay: The importance or function of an entity or element is their purpose. For instance, if I design a robot to sweep the floor and do some chores for me, those are its purposes (importance). While those purposes are beneficial to me, it doesn't mean they're to my neighbor or my pet or the flowers in my garden.
Good and evil are relative and vary from one person to the other, from one tribe/culture, from one country to the other, from one species to the other.
So, nature provided Uranium so that people will use it to destroy themselves? Does nature know who humans are? Does nature ask for your permission before it does anything? Does rain, sun, cold, heat, diseases, etc ask your permission for anything?
Christianity Etc › Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 5:35pm On May 26, 2020
