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Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 7:13pm On May 29, 2020
psyco:
Nope, I'm not bothered. I know he don't exist and even if he does he isn't relevant to my existence. cool

Back to the topic;
since you can't tell whether God exists or not, are you bothered about it?

"Nope, I'm not bothered. I know he don't exist and even if he does, he isn't relevant to my existence."
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 6:19pm On May 29, 2020
psyco:
You so can't tell whether He exists or not.
And you aren't bothered?
Aren't you bothered whether or not Santa Claus exists?
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 6:11pm On May 29, 2020
psyco:
Do you believe God exists? (Yes/No)

God:-
1. (noun) The creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

There is no such proven thing like that. Except you are referring to your christian god Yahweh (I'm assuming you are a christian though, i may be wrong).
Christianity EtcRe: The more you feed yourself with The Word Of GOD, the more you Grow by IamMichael(m): 6:06pm On May 29, 2020


- Have you seen either of Jesus or the god you are talking of?
- Have you heard from them directly before?
- What did they sound like?
- What did they look like?
- How did you know what you saw is/are them?
- Is there anyone you know that have seen/heard from them?
- How did you know what you are feeding your brain is the word of any god
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 5:56pm On May 29, 2020
psyco:
Sovereign God.
The sovereign god doesn't have a name?
Christianity EtcRe: How To Be Born Again by IamMichael(m): 5:55pm On May 29, 2020
More like how to lose your sense of reasoning!
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 5:50pm On May 29, 2020
psyco:
You don't believe God exists do you?

What god are you talking about?
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 5:47pm On May 29, 2020
whitestar01:
1.1
That means you are not asking any actual question as you are not being specific on anything.

Personal beliefs are wide and come in different varieties.
Here are personal beliefs:
- I don't know everything.
- I control my emotions.



Can you disprove any of them?
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 3:11pm On May 29, 2020
LordReed:
Even better.
Alright bro.
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 3:09pm On May 29, 2020
whitestar01:
Is there any belief that is unquestionable? If there's any, prove it to me beyond doubt and questions.
Which of the belief below are you referring to?

Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 2:56pm On May 29, 2020
Jokerman:
John 3:16....

Matthew 11:28

Read it up bro....
Jokerman. grin grin grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 2:33pm On May 29, 2020
LordReed:
Christians on NL pervert their intellect

Christians on NL twist their intelligence.
grin
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 2:31pm On May 29, 2020
kingxsamz:
Bro you nailed it.
Thanks bro.
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 2:28pm On May 29, 2020
Jokerman:
I wish you can read the message and teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ bro... You'd find peace and hope
What teachings of Jesus Christ gives peace and hope?
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 1:21pm On May 29, 2020
Jokerman:
The only discuss a Christian owes you is the good news of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Lol... Not when the good news is false news!
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 1:20pm On May 29, 2020
whitestar01:
Bro, I must say the unacceptable truth; nairaland Christians are the worst set of Christians to say the least, they are mostly hypocritical, deceptive and too emotional about Christianity. It is not that they are not intelligent but they do not believe in Christianity without the aforementioned. They still can't profess their belief without mixing it up with humanistic logic. Hence, don't expect them to counter your opinion but do not think that you are wise because you can't prove your belief beyond questions. If you doubt, prove it. Remember, I have asked you this question before but no rational response.
Okay.
So let's talk... I may have forgotten the question you asked.

If you have the time, please do remind me.
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 1:14pm On May 29, 2020
LordReed:
While you raise valid points, I disagree with the topic heading. There are intelligent Christians on NL, that they pervert their intellect to support the unsupportable is a different thing.
I actually also found it hard to use the heading because of the above points you raised. However, so far and with everything i have seen, i am yet to be proved wrong.

If you have a better heading though, i don't mind changing it.
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 1:11pm On May 29, 2020
tipscogreen:
I'll not waste my time to reason or argue with you because I consider that worthless.
The fact remains, spiritual things can't be understand with human wisdom (science).
So, if spiritual things can't be understood with human wisdom, with what did you understand yours?

How will you understand the history of creation as recorded in the first book of the Bible?
Because it doesn't make sense, and can at best be described as creation stories told by Jews. Every tribe has theirs.

How will you understand the crossing of the red sea. In the second book of the Bible? (which even the historians agreed with)
Historians don't agree on any crossing of the sea story since there is no historical or archeological records showing such.

With your human wisdom, you'll never accept or understand the virgin birth of my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.
It is biologically impossible for a virgin to give birth without the male chromosomes.

Christ death, burial and resurrection will sound unbelievable because you'll not find any scientific theory to back that up.
You don't need any scientific evidence to prove that Christ died. Anything that dies stays dead. So, if the alleged Christ died and woke up, then he didn't die. It's common sense!
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 12:29pm On May 29, 2020
triplechoice:
@Iammichael

In your other thread you said you were once a religious person before you became an atheist

If that is true, then why are you surprised that people you were once like are acting irrationally

I rather you focused on your mission of trying to free their minds from religious indoctrination instead of what you're trying to do now. It doesn't help help you in anyway
Instead it would make your task more difficult.

People will continue to say and do things based on what they know and cannot change until they know better.
This is the truth of the matter and I don't expect you not to know this.

Do the Job you have assigned to yourself without complaining or getting distracted

I get your point bro, honestly i do.

But, when you look at the things/traits i listed, it has more to do with personality than religion. I discuss about religion with a lot of people offline, and they don't get angry over it or start displaying childish stunts just because of mere discuss.

Those that do not know what next to say usually tell me that i need Jesus in my life, and other funny things like that, and life goes on.
Some will outrightly tell me that i want to confuse them, and so request that we should cease the discuss.
Some get angry, but I usually used the self-guilt trick of "why are you getting angry over a mere religious discuss?".

Ever since I stopped being religious, i realised that you cannot argue with a religious person, you just discuss it with them seeing as religious beliefs cannot be proved from now till eternity because if you read well enough, you must understand how and why Religious beliefs came up...at least to an extent.

But, when you come here, it's a different thing altogether. They take it too serious, and that is very dangerous.
One thing I have seen is that they don't know difference between facts and opinions. They portray opinions as facts, and when you take any of them up, trust me, you must surely see them displaying some of the trait's i listed above.

Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 12:10pm On May 29, 2020
psyco:
What part of Christianity seems difficult for you to believe?

All.
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 12:01am On May 29, 2020
TrajansKong:
Yu nid Chizoss.
Savage man... grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 11:56pm On May 28, 2020
psyco:
Okay let's see if we can't he reasonable.

Which part of Christianity is hard for you?
I don't understand your question bro. Can you rephrase or help me understand what you mean exactly?
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op):

We are talking about Nigeria, and he is talking about North Korea... After still stating that we are talking about christians. Is North Korea a Christian country?
Next thing he starts spewing what he doesn't know about North Korea, and start comparing it with Nigeria, citing that North Korea is not a Christian country, yet... And then he will use it to justify whatever junk he has kept...and he thinks he is making a point.

Same person is asking me the correlation between subsidizing pilgrimage and underdevelopment in Nigeria.
This person doesn't know that the million's of dollar's freely given for pilgrimages could have been used to build and equip hundreds of schools adequately and taken out of school children to school, or probably used in some other infrastructural development. This person doesn't know that such scarce resources could have been given to local producers to help boost their business or given to importers who are actually adding something to the economy.

This Same person also said that if no one teaches a child that devil is real, then the child will find out some other way. Do children grow up believing Santa Claus is real as adults?

Same person is the one still telling me that my thoughts are incoherent and that i am ignorant.

No reasoning, no rationality, no sense of logic or logical compartment. Just keep spewing every trash that enters their mind with no filter at all to check if what they're saying is reasonable or not. Almost like you took it upon yourself to prove me right that there is no intelligent christian on Nairaland!!!

No wonder Nigeria is this way.


See what i told you @Dantedasz



Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 8:25pm On May 28, 2020
ThothHermes:
Yada yada yada without saying anything.Go right go left. Stay one place abeg. You can't coordinate your thoughts properly and you're calling people unintelligent?? We're talking about Christians right?
Then the child will find out some other way.

The government subsidizes pilgrimage. What is the correlation with underdevelopment. Do they subsidize pilgrimage in North Korea?

You really need to get proper education.
Which institution has said you should treat people anyhow because of forgivenesshuh

Jehovah's Witnesses are a very minute part of the population. How many people do know personally that have died this way?

Humans war over a lot things. Religion is one of them.
Just quoting you for reference sake... Because i will refer to this type of irrational and illogical posts in the future to continue to buttress how unreasonable and silly religion make people.
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 8:11pm On May 28, 2020
Not even going to bother. Reading is one thing, understanding is another.

I'm tired of replying children!
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 7:10pm On May 28, 2020
Eulalia:
Go ahead. They are not open to much argument though and that is the attitude i believe an intelligent believer and good bible scholar should have.

Try not to argue. And stay within the context of the Word of God.

Again, i prefer the word "discuss" as opposed to the word "argument".

Religious beliefs cannot be argued because it cannot pass any of the simple tests of logical argument nor does it present facts as it's basis like a normal argument would.
In other words, arguments deal with facts, religious beliefs don't.
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 7:01pm On May 28, 2020
Eulalia:
So much for the identification but you failed to identify yourself as an atheist to me to help me understand the angle you're coming from and be well guided in my response to you.

Anyways, good day.
You see.

I already said what I am in the OP.

IT WAS BOLDLY STATED THAT I AM A FREETHINKER IN THE FIRST POST ON THIS THREAD.
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 6:53pm On May 28, 2020
OkCornel:
@ IamMichael - intelligent Christians or intelligent theists you mean?


Just to be sure your topic isn’t misconstrued to imply the Muslims, Traditionalists, Deists etc have a free pass. Well, unless that’s what it is.
No, i mean Nairaland christians specifically bro.
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 6:50pm On May 28, 2020
Eulalia:
Go ahead. They are not open to much argument though and that is the attitude i believe an intelligent believer and good bible scholar should have.

Try not to argue. And stick within the context of the Word of God.

- I'm not a christian, and i don't know what you mean by the word of god(except you are talking about the religious doctrines of christians popularly called Bible).

- Secondly, when you say God, i don't know who you are talking about. Except, from your statement, i am assuming you are talking about the christian god, Yahweh. If that's the case, i suggest you always properly identify it by its rightful name which is Yahweh. It makes it easier to know who you are talking about because I'm not your fellow adherent.

Regards!!!
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 6:37pm On May 28, 2020
ThothHermes:
So how does thinking affect their immediate environment then?
Let me show you an example.


- Christians are taught to believe that Satan, demons, angels, Jesus and Yahweh are real from birth.
As the child grows, he's continuosly fed the demon and devil stories, and being told that Satan makes people who worship him rich. The child grows up believing that nonsense. Then one day, he starts thinking money ritual is real, and the rest is history.
What If no-one ever told the child that Satan is real?

- The Government uses tax payers money to pay for useless religious pilgrimages for people of same faith. Yet, look at how the whole infrastructure of the country is.

- Religious institutions are busy teaching people about God's forgiveness, empowering people to behave as they want, maltreat others and do all sorts of nonsense because at the end of the day, all they have to do is ask God for forgiveness, and everything is settled.

- Some of this Religious institutions have necessitated the death of thousands because of certain health practices, endangering the life of its followers, causing people to die because their religious beliefs forbids them from getting proper medical care.

- Religion is the number one cause of division in Nigeria. It is always US V THEM, manifested mostly in Elections. Every day in this country, it's Muslim this, Christian that.
A typical christian will hate a Muslim for no reason, and vice Versa.
There is hardly anything without a religious undertone in it in Nigeria.

- Merely knowing that the other person is not of the same faith, creates a predisposed hatred. Goodluck getting a job at a place owned by a religious zealot.

- What of in school? Almost every private school is converted to christian religious centre.
I mean, religion is taught in schools to children. Children without capacity to know A from B are being bombarded with religious doctrines from childhood, and being robbed of their own freewill. Something that is against the Law of the Land, seeing as The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. But, no! Children are forced to subscribe to the religion, denied the choice to choose.

- Then you hear absurd comments like "I'm just doing it because of God"...

- I don't even want to talk about terrorism, backbiting, and the rest that the churches and mosques create among its supposed adherents.
Even among the christians, divisions everywhere. Among Muslims, divisions everywhere.

- Not to talk of the perpetual ignorance it keeps the people in.

The list is uncountable.

Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 6:03pm On May 28, 2020
Eulalia:
You're totally wrong.
Have you met these brothers?
Bro Jiggaz
Finallydead?

Take a tour through their posts and come back here and debunk your initial claims.
You are 100% certain that they will not exhibit any of the trait's i listed above? I have had a lot of them start out nice, but when they can no longer defend what they are asserting, they feign imaginary online anger(I don't know if they also transfer it to real life) or abruptly start insulting you, or start baiting you into running an online insulting match...and i detest it so much.

I'm asking because there is a thread i want to open, so that i will invite them to the thread.
Christianity EtcRe: Why does Religion Pervert and Twist the Intellect of Christians - An Opinion by IamMichael(op): 5:48pm On May 28, 2020
ThothHermes:
How does their thinking affect their immediate environment?
The country is this way because of widespread corruption and bad governance. Not religion.

Italy is a highly religious nation, so is Spain. Why are they developed?
North Korea is almost as bad, if not worse than Nigeria. There is no religion there. So where's the connectionhuh

Did i say 'there is no intelligent Italian christian on Nairaland?
Did i say there is no intelligent Spanish christian on Nairaland?
Has any non-religious person ruled any part of Nigeria since independence?



You are already doing what i said in point no 7 .
All christians on this forum don't read to understand, but to argue.

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