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ThothHermes:
How does their thinking affect their immediate environment?
The country is this way because of widespread corruption and bad governance. Not religion.

Italy is a highly religious nation, so is Spain. Why are they developed?
North Korea is almost as bad, if not worse than Nigeria. There is no religion there. So where's the connection

ThothHermes:
How come you are so bothered about the views of unintelligent people. Why does their unintelligence give you sleepness nights?

MasterJayJay:
There is no greater foolishness than an atheist that claims to be a freethinker wondering to and fro in the religion section of an internet forum.

Dantedasz:

@Bolded,
Let's see if one of them will prove you wrong......
However you should change if just one of them can come along and do that......

Dantedasz:
@ IamMichael,

I think you should edit your OP to SOME Christian's instead of ALL Christian's.

When i read the comments christians make on this forum, i am left perplexed. I don't mean to insult anyone.
After a while, this is my general observations about christians on this forum in general (i might be wrong, but i hope i can be proved otherwise):

1) No christian on this forum actually know anything about the bible. They just cite the verses they think support their claims. Wholistic reading of the bible is very hard for them as i have observed.

2) No christian on this forum actually know anything about their god Yahweh on a personal level. When you ask them questions personally about their relationship with their god, they still quote the bible for you. Totally odd for someone sharing a personal relationship with their god. One even cited that Yahweh saved him from snake as proof of his relationship with him. Sounds really absurd.

3) All christians on this forum resort to insults whenever they have nothing else to say in a discuss. Having a free flowing discuss without insults is a hard thing to do for them.
When having a discuss, you prove your point with better superior points/facts, not with insults.

4) Most christians go as far as getting angry over online discuss about religion.
This one is the most childish of it all, seeing as it is exactly the same thing they accuse Muslims of in real life.

5) All christians on this forum do not prove anything they say as fact, but get angry when you don't believe it.
This is ridiculous. When you are saying something is fact, then the onus is on you to prove it. However, when you say something as your opinion, then you don't have to prove it to anyone.
Christians on this forum don't know the difference between facts and opinions.

6) All christians on this forum never stick to one subject in a discuss.
I have observed that they always keep diverting and deviating until you are left wondering what you are even discussing.
This is a key attribute of people who don't know what they're doing.

7) All christians on this forum don't read to understand, but to argue.
That's why they always miss the point when they discuss about their religious beliefs.

8] They all claim to have a personal relationship with Jesus, but yet when you Question them directly on this relationship, they tell you that you need the holy spirit to understand it.
You are left wondering if this person is just mentally unstable or is it that they don't understand simple English. I mean, you are the one in relationship with your god, yet i need the holy spirit to understand your own relationship with your god?
It's really absurd and ridiculous to start with. The funny thing is that they don't even know how silly that statement sounds.

9) Then, there is the most annoying of it all, the living in denial.
I mean, even when you show them exactly how their thinking is wrong, they tell you they don't care that they're wrong.

Honestly, this is quite alarming. No wonder a shaman will tell his fellowers that he is casting out the spirit of heaviness, and thousands of people kept replying 'Amen' to the tweet.
Please, you guys should start using your head correctly. No wonder christians suffer from inferiority complex when they discuss with atheists. All an atheist has is his wit and logic, and it is gotten by simple rational reasoning.
I'm sorry to say this, but whenever you add your religious beliefs to your thought pattern, you can no longer reason rationally, it's hard.

I'm tired of seeing unintelligent comments from christians on this forum, it's quite appalling!

advocatejare:
I will take you serious if you can use either canonized books, or non Canonized books or historical facts to disprove that Joachim is not the father of Mary and that Joachim is not a descendant of David.

advocatejare:
You're just displaying your ignorance.

The women that were mentioned were the one linked to Joseph and not Mary because the tradition then was to link a child whether legal/adopted or biological child to their father's blood line.

And also the women that were mentioned were women that God deliberately allowed into the Blood line of Jesus' foster father to prove that God can bring perfection out of imperfection and women that helped in preserving the lineage of Judah, the tribe whom Jesus is associated with as the "Lion of the Tribe of Judah"

The women are

Tamar, Rehab and Ruth

Tamar was the one who disguised as a prostitute in order to be able to continue the bloodline of her late husband.

Rehab was a prostitute who helped the Israelites

And Ruth like Tamar didn't want her late husband lineage to perish.

All these 3 women played vital role in ensuring the bloodline was preserved till Joseph was born.


Back to Mary, all these your meaningless rants won't be necessary if you cant use either canonized books, or non Canonized books or historical facts to disprove that Joachim is not the father of Mary and that Joachim is not a descendant of David.

The Delta State Police command has confirmed the death of two persons yesterday at the Jesse Police Station in Jesse, Ethiope West Local Government Area of Delta State after they were alleged to have stormed the police formation at the early hours of Wednesday in an attempt to free some robbery suspects.

The Delta State Police Public Relations Officer, Onome Onowhakpoyeya, who confirmed the attack, told Vanguard that “two persons were shot dead after they attacked the Jesse Police Station cell this early morning and attempted to free some robbery suspects, in fact they had actually broken the key of the cell when Policemen on duty, reenforced and went after them and two of them were shot dead in the process” she said.

But a source at the community who craved anonymity told Vanguard that the police were economical with the truth “the truth is that one of those Yahoo boys had an issue with another one involving money and one chased the other into the police station with a machete, and right there he butchered him to death and the murderer was running away when the police shot him”.

The source said, residents of the community were angered by the brutal way the guy was shot so they mobilised themselves with an intention to set the station on fire, and in the process, a woman was hit by stray bullet “and she is now receiving treatment in an undisclosed clinic in town”.

Early this month, cultists were said to have engaged in a confrontation that needed the police to intervene with cultists openly confronting each other in broad daylight.

The corpses have been deposited in a mortuary around the community.

When Vanguard visited the scene, Security men and members of the vigilante were seen on ground in an attempt to calm the situation.

advocatejare:
I'm not dragging into any argument, if you have proof that Joachim was not the father of Mary from the canonized books, tell me rather than beating about the bush.

What truth do you want me to accept? That Joachim was not Mary's father or that Joachim was not a descendant of David?

advocatejare:
Which question did you ask me that I didnt answer.

Gospel of James talks in details about the personal life of Mary and it's from there that would know her parents' name and their tribes.

Instead of checking the reference I gave you, you were asking me if the book is part of the Bible and you starting diverting the discussion by saying Catholic have more books in their Bibles, so for you to understand why that is so and why some books don't make it to be part of the Bible, then I asked you to go and read about how the books of the Bible were canonized.


If you cant read, that is your problem not mine.

shadeyinka:
The immaturity in you is now fully unleashed as you can't find a credible response to simple questions. You are a waste of my time if you can't even converse intelligently. This is your scientific justification for the impossibility of the existence of God!! SMH!!!
When you have grown enough or your demons allow you, give a call.

Former Governor of Imo State, Emeka Ihedioha’s appointee on Public Enlightenment, Prince Eze Ugochukwu, has resigned his membership of the Peoples Democratic Party, PDP, in Imo State.

Ihedioha’s appointee, Ugochukwu, popularly known, as Ochiwar, in a short statement to Vanguard in Owerri, said: “My resignation is to allow myself to heal after many years of active and selfless service to PDP.”

Ugochukwu was Director-General of PDP Senatorial Campaign,  Imo West Senatorial District of Jones Onyereri.

So far, state executive members who have resigned their positions from the party included state chairman of the party, Charles Ezekwem; Publicity Secretary, Damian Opara; Assistant Financial Secretary, Maximian Okedu and the state youth leader, Chibueze Ahanonu.

Their reasons pointed to the allegation that few individuals have hijacked the party for self-interest regarding the 2023 Imo governorship election.

For now, they have not joined any political party but it was observed that All Progressives Congress, APC, could be the next party.

Vanguard gathered that the continued resignations of the state officers have created fear in PDP in the state.

A source from the party said: “We don’t understand the type of resignation of members in our state executives. It was first our state chairman, followed by the state publicity secretary and now the assistant financial secretary.”

“This is not good for our party. There is a need to end this embarrassment. We don’t need this in our party. PDP should be strengthening its machinery and not seeing its members abandoning the party.”

Dtruthspeaker:
aren't you tired of debasing yourself? Same rule applies to you.

You are using my Father's Dusty Body and Blood, His Earth, Lands and Seas, His air (which you are polluting by the way ), eating His Food and Drinking His wine and beers, you took His silicon from His sand, took his Rubber from His Trees, took His electric charges for power, took His ore in His earth and used His body to put all these our things to make me a phone.

All the things you used to make the phone are mine already and you did not pay for them.

So I hereby demand payment of rents for the use of my Father's land, water, each air breath, food etc

My Lawyers will contact you!

shadeyinka:
So this is your almighty scientific and logical proof!?
SMH!

onlyfacts:
You have decided I'm not befitting of an apology. All you need to know about my stance it's in our conversation.

Enjoy your evening

onlyfacts:
you didn't apologize for the error you just did.
I'm not here to argue but to reason. My comments that you quoted has no link attached to it. Then I was only expressing my view points.

I later posted the view points of other people with links in my later posts, who are scientists to also show you they also share similar views even though they are not religious.

My stance is already clear now.

shadeyinka:
Be my guest then and give me at least five scientific reasons: and mind you, no one has described God the creator as a THING.

"It comes across as extremely arrogant that Christians talk about their fictional god as if he is the only true god, or as if they see him as a being who is superior to other equally fictional gods who do have proper names, such as Zeus or Thor or Melkor, or when referring to gods that in an English-speaking (or Danish-speaking context) appear to have proper individual-specific names such as Allah (which is really just Arabic for "god" and which if rendered in English translation by a devout Moslem would undoubtedly be spelled with a capital "G", and perhaps Jehova, even when they do in fact not (but even this mere appearance makes it much less offensive, as it seems much less arrogant, the insinuation that other gods are less worthy, or perhaps even that other gods have no value at all, even though they are no more fictitious than the god of the Christians)."

Dtruthspeaker:
Before technology came we been telling you that all who sin, shall pay for their sins! No one shall escape it, even your father, Satan, has still not been able to escape from the power of God, how much more Fickle Dusty You.

onlyfacts:
I was enjoying our conversation but you are now making false comments and accusations, questioning my integrity as a person....

I specifically said "Can you point out where I specifically placed religious notions in the link I posted?"

Scientists in that link believe the human body can live forever. That's their thoughts.

I being religious also believe that but those scientists aren't and still believe that.

So in that link I posted were did I make a religious notion?

advocatejare:
Go and read about how the Bible has 66 books and why other books were not included in the Bible

Christian Bibles range from:
- 73 books of the Catholic Church canon;
- The 66 books of the canon of some denominations
- The 80 books of the canon of other denominations of the Protestant Church;
- The 81 books of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church canon.

Too many disparities... And too many books by different denominations. Yours is the correct one right?
Cuz me i don't know which one is the correct one.

onlyfacts:
Can you point out where I specifically placed religious notions in the link I posted?

If you have a problem with the notion scientists believe the human body has a whole lot more capability than its been used as regards immortality, you should take it up with them and not me.

onlyfacts:
It's not my fault you didn't follow through with where the conversation started from, but rather you came in at a later stage to comment.

The previous commentator stressed that the "human body design is flawed", referring to how it is "structurally fabricated" as flawed, saying a human designer could have done a better "job" in designer a better body, which isn't true!

So the argument with him is in the "design". Seeing he could not find a flaw in human design he then brought up diseases that may affect the body as a proof of a flaw. I pointed out to him that in a production plant, defective products are not used as gold standard in examining the products rather it is that which is in a good working condition.

Now to the fact that a human body can be affected by diseases, it's an anomaly caused by various factors. Humanistic factors includes: Poor or unhealthy diet, lack of exercise, harmful and damaging habits(excessive smoking, drinking, drug abuse etc). This are self destructive behaviours that go against how the body is supposed to be used and maintained.

Intrinsic factor: Aging is yet another factor that causes our bodies to wear and tear. Scientist believe our bodies have the ability to live forever, all the information needed for the renewal of the cells are stored in the genes, but as we grow older "somethings" snaps in our genes and causes them to stop playing their roles and we slowly but surely start to age. Aging is abnormal based on the abilities of our genes and this has been the reason behind many scientific studies.

God's design of the body is a work of art but he tells us that because of "sin", the human body lost its perfection. Due to that lost perfection of the body aging occurs which causes wear and tear of it.

onlyfacts:
Can you point out where I specifically placed religious notions in the link I posted?

If you have a problem with the notion scientists believe the human body has a whole lot more capability than its been used as regards immortality, you should take it up with them and not me.

shadeyinka:
I just gave you FIVE scientifically logical reasons and one scriptural reason for what you ask. It is impossible that the universe is uncaused.

onlyfacts:
The title of the first link I posted is "Curing Aging and the Science of Immortality"

Obviously a lot of scientist believe otherwise!

onlyfacts:
You are only giving me definitions of pseudoscience, I know what the word means and where it applies. I told you countless reasons I don't believe in evolution, scientist know this but still choose to go with it.
Evolution cannot be proven reasonably either retrospectively, presently or mathematically. Yet it is paraded as a "theory". That is pseudoscience and pseudoscience reasoning behind it.

shadeyinka:
1. According to Science, the universe has an age of about 13.8billion years. And it is thought to have probably arose from a singleton (which could not have existed in the eternal past because it would make it a constant.)
2. The entropy of the universe is ever increasing. Projecting it backwards, we must have a point when the entropy is smallest minimum. This also imply that the universe has a beginning.
3. Every physical law that we know originated after the big bang and there seem to be no physical law that predates 13.8billion years that we know. This point also to the fact that the universe is not eternal.
4. Time as a quantity is meaningless before the big-bang. In fact, time strictly speaking originated after the big bang.
5. The universe is projected to completely dissipate and dissociate in the future. This will happen because for the universe to have always existed, it must also always remain.
6. Finally, the scriptures say in the Begining, God created the Universe. Before this beginning, there was God!

onlyfacts:
Evolution is still pseudoscience. The evolutionary tree is make shift at best. The odds life survived prehistoric earth conditions and diversified into different species male and female is also an impossibility, amongst others. What else is pseudoscience if not evolution?

And the illustration you mentioned should be about "maturity" and not evolution.

In biology, evolution is the change in the characteristics of a species over several generations and relies on the process of natural selection.

Pseudoscience consists of statements, beliefs, or practices that are claimed to be both scientific and factual but are incompatible with the scientific method.[1][Note 1] Pseudoscience is often characterized by contradictory, exaggerated or unfalsifiable claims; reliance on confirmation bias rather than rigorous attempts at refutation; lack of openness to evaluation by other experts; absence of systematic practices when developing hypotheses; and continued adherence long after the pseudoscientific hypotheses have been experimentally discredited. The term pseudoscience is considered pejorative,[4] because it suggests something is being presented as science inaccurately or even deceptively.

- Wikipedia

onlyfacts:
"There is no scientific reason, however, to think that aging cannot be cured (reviewed in de Magalhaes, 2014a). After all, curing aging does not violate any law of physics".https://www.senescence.info/aging_cure.html

"All around the world, scientists are trying to beat the most debilitating condition known to humans: aging". https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181211-how-science-and-medicine-could-cure-ageing

"Age reversal technology will be a reality soon. Our bodies will be kept biologically younger for longer, regardless of our chronological age."
https://atlasbiomed.com/blog/ageing-can-you-reverse-it/amp/

The above sources show that aging isn't "normal" to many people of science and a reversal is being pursued! But a reversal will be useless if they all agree that the human body is fundamentally flawed or does not have the "capacity to live forever". But they know the body has that capacity and they are willing to push it to its limit!

onlyfacts:
Evolution is a theory that cannot be scientifically proven, although it is paraded as science, it is actually pseudoscience.

Too many missing links in the evolutionary tree. Falsified missing links inclusive. Fossil remains that doesnt show structural resemblance in sizes are often published as vital missing links in the evolutionary tree, amongst others.

Lastly mathematical models does not support evolution. The probability that life came from outer space into the chaotic prehistoric harsh earth environment in the form of microorganisms or vital molecules necessary to form DNA and life are astronomically slim, the odds are seemly impossible. And to believe the odds still favoured the diversification of all life forms into their male and female kinds even if it's trillions of years ago is still mathematically an impossible odd. It is less than one chance out of a billion trillion, the chance that a 200-component organism could be formed by mutation and natural selection is less than one chance out of a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion!

My head hurt just think about the numbers!

Pseudoscience consists of statements, beliefs, or practices that are claimed to be both scientific and factual but are incompatible with the scientific method.[1][Note 1] Pseudoscience is often characterized by contradictory, exaggerated or unfalsifiable claims; reliance on confirmation bias rather than rigorous attempts at refutation; lack of openness to evaluation by other experts; absence of systematic practices when developing hypotheses; and continued adherence long after the pseudoscientific hypotheses have been experimentally discredited. The term pseudoscience is considered pejorative,[4] because it suggests something is being presented as science inaccurately or even deceptively.

- Wikipedia