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Obiagu1:
You can't just wave aside their stories

I can just wave aside the story of someone who tells me Bony was founded in 1780, when Bonny have been trading with the Portuguese since the 15th Century and even fought a war with Okrika in 1605.

Obiagu1:
including that of Captain Hugh Crow (1765 – 1829) who anchored throughout his career in Bonny, mingled with all key players in those days.

Captain Hugh Crow said "it is probable that their origins are from the Eboe". This is mere speculation from a coarse slave dealer who constantly judges tribes in his book by their physical appearance. Since he didnt have the courtesy to ask the Ibani where they are from rather than speculating, lets just say that anthropological investigation was not forefront in his thinking.

All linguists have grouped Ibani language in the Kalabari-Ijaw dialect and much more informed historians and learned men have grouped them with Eastern Ijaw. . . but more importantly, they group themselves with Ijaw, and thats the end of the matter.

Enough inanity abeg.

ezeagu:
If the town had a name, why would the natives allow a completely new name to replace it?

erm. . .all over the Niger Delta and in some parts of Yoruba land, names are changed by the white man without stress, and they stay changed. . . you can see even in the English surnames of Ijaw families. . . its like asking why the residents of Eko allowed their name to be changed to Lagos. . . even Onitsha, is it not English for Onicha?

FACE:
I take it that Kalabari and Okirika speak the same language then,albeit different dialects ?

Okrika, Kalabari and Ibani language is easily understood by each other.

Obiagu1:
What I gave you was complete account of events that happened in those days with dates by someone that walked thru Bonny not something someone wrote years later.

You want me to believe some cock and bull story from some English man who briefly passed through Bonny then wrote in 1860 that Igbo man founded Bonny only 80 years previously when all historians have written of Bonny history since the 15th century?

Im sure you can do better than that.

After all the press Duro Olowu got for this assignment, Im disappointed.

Either she sews Yoruba dress or Western dress. All this mix and match does not work.

ezeagu:
Maybe you didn't read properly, Why is and was "Okoloma" called Bonny Town for over 400 years? And if 'Bonny' is the name of the ethnic group inhabiting the island since you're referring to no place called Hausa (a foreign name we can trace), and no place called Kalabari (a name formed out of New Kalabar) what is Ibani and Ubani?

You're just engaging in pedantry. Crowther gave the local name of the town and the English name Bonny.

Its quite obvious the English named the town after the tribe who occupy it (Ibani), just like Okrika is still called Okrika today, 300 years after the English named it.

ezeagu:
Bonny itself is called 'Okoloma' in what is indicated as the 'Bonny' version of the name

You are typing rubbish here. . . . If Ajayi Crowther wants to carry out census of the place, he will approach the people and ask them what is the name of this place and that place. . . if the people had given him Igbo name, then he will publish accordingly. . . unless you guys want to tell me that Ajayi Crowther is engaging in Civil War revisionism!

ezeagu:
this raises questions as to why Okoloma is not the name Ubani is being called and to why Bonny was called 'Bonny' if it isn't a corruption of what the natives identified as Ubani.

This is as silly as asking why there is no town in Kalabari called Kalabari.

Or no place in Hausa land called Hausa.

mukina2:
thats my great grand -daughter, unfortunately she is happily married now

hmmmmm. . . . .

[center]Tamuno Ibime: Mobutu SeSe SeKo is preparing for failure[/center]

Amanyanabo Ado IX, Tamuno Ibime aka Egberipapa, the Waridabo of MEND FC has come out in staunch support of his striker Didier Drogba after criticism from Mobutu SeSe SeKo of the Gaylords fraternity. According to Ibime, Didier Drogba is pure fantasy gold and any manager without Drogba in his team is setting himself up for failure. As empirical evidence, Ibime pointed to Feasy1, a Fantasy League featherweight who stole a march on his competitors by captaining Drogba in Gameweek 1. According to Ibime, "Feasy1 is a nobody. Unfortunately, we were led to believe that Drogba was an injury doubt for Gameweek 1 and we all dropped him from our respective teams. Feasy1 had by luck or circumstance, included Drogba in his team, and that was the sole reason for Feasy1's dominance in Gameweek 1."

Tamuno Ibime stressed that he was not out to belittle Feasy1 but to stress the importance of Didier Drogba in fantasy football. Ibime hopes that Mobutu SeSe SeKo will find a way to accomodate Drogba in the team as he values SeSe SeKo's company at the top of the table. To quote Ibime's colloquial ebonics in its unedited form, "Its hella lonely at the top."

The problem is that we have no forums that speak exclusively for the different regions of the South.

Anyone can come up and claim to speak for the South-East, South-West, South-South.

Obiagu1:
@Ibime,

From Wanderings in West Africa, I have these for you with dates. 

About eighty or ninety years ago, an Ibo chief settled
with his slaves on the Bonny river. This Opubo, or
Obullo, the " Great Man," was grandfather of the present
chief : his son took the name of Pepper, which he now
spells with a change, and married a woman from the
Abilli (Billa) country, west of the New Calabar river.


So to start with, Opubo or Obullo was Igbo.

Well, I have this for you. . . . Opubo is a Pepple (Perekule), and definitely not an Igbo man. . . . the same Opubo is the father of Dappa Pepple, who Alali fought with. Alali and his father were regent for the young King Dappa Pepple after the death of King Opubo. According to Trade Winds on the Niger (G Baker), "Alali was unhappy when the time for handover came because the new King did not hide his contempt for the slave class who were the majority of his subjects, and was particularly envious of those like Alali who had managed to work their way into the many positions of power"


Another book to read on those times. This book is more indepth covering Igbo and Ijaw trade markets indepthly, and is written by the grandson of one of Jaja's main chiefs.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8drXpCGaT-UC&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=jaja+of+opobo+sons&source=bl&ots=8GlpRxMQiN&sig=VMnlub0txlCb73XWleB7u5ln_xA&hl=en&ei=Ttt3TLfUBtWk4AbJ_sjcBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q&f=false

Obiagu1:
Ubani was first bastardized as Unbonny, then Bonny.

More nonsense. . . Ubani is bastardised Igbo for Ibani. . . .


Bishop Ajayi Crowther's census of 1882:


Name:                            Particulars (English):              Population:

Okoloma                             Bonny Town                            4000
Finima                                 Juju Town                                800
Ayama and Febre               Peterside                                 850
Kalibiama                                                                            500
Abalamabie                        A plantation                              340
Ayamba and Iwoma           Andony villages near mission    300
Isilegono
Egelebie & Bolokiri
Asaramantoro & Nunabie etc, etc, etc
Epelematubo
Oboma and Kuruma
Epelema
Oloma and Ayamina
Orupiri


Crowther, Report on Bonny for 1882, CMS, G3/A3/36



As you can see, all the towns and villages making up Bonny are Ijaw names. . .

Beyond the name of the tribe (Ubani), you have no Igbo names for the places that make up Bonny.

Its like French who have name for Allemagne (Germany), but have no French name for Duisburg, Hamburg etc

Can Obiagu provide us with the names of the Igbo Kings of Bonny? No Igbo man has ever ruled Bonny. After death of King Opubo, first Madu and then Alali were appointed as regents to take care of the young Dappa Pepple until he came of age. Most historical books would tell you that Jaja could never be King of Bonny because of his ancestry.

As for Face's question about similarity between Okrika in Rivers and Ijaw in Warri, its quite obvious.

First of all, language grouping is similar.

Wari means house in Okrika and all other Ijaw languages. . . indicating origin from Warri.

Masquerades are similar.

War Canoe House culture. ditto.

The names are the same.

Igbo part of Ijaw culture comes from Slave trade and Palm oil trade. I dont even doubt that majority of people in Bonny can trace ancestry to Igbo land. Thats part of the culture of beefing up your trading house with numbers from the hinterland. I would like anyone to point out any Igbo house in Bonny/Kalabari/Okrika that was existent before 1800. All the Igbo houses such as Ogan, Uwakwe, Jaja etc date from the 1800's.

And finally, all you need to do is take a trip to Bonny, Kalabari and Okrika and ask for yourself, rather than believe all these speculation from sectarian revisionists.

Its quite funny that Obiagu says Sotonye is Igbo name. . .  .hehehehe. . . . maybe 0.000001 % of Igbos may bare the name Sotonye, but every Ijaw man has at least two cousins called Sotonye! 

Great societies attract economic migration. . . . how many Romans were originally from Rome?

Even first generation migrant like Madu will name his son Alali in an effort to fit in with the indigenous society.

Today, you will never see any Jaja descendant bearing Igbo first name. They answer names like Sotonye etc.

We dont need more strikers. DD, Anelka are there, plus Kalou is doing the business these days.

One more defender and we good to go.

Rabid sectarian revisionism espoused by the likes of Dede1 is laughable at best and only fit for comedy shows.


In 1605 when Bonny fought its first war with Okrika, some of the people calling us foreigners today were still trekking in from Cameroun! 

Trade winds on the Niger - The saga of the Royal Niger Company (Geoffrey L Baker)

Only you forgot that both Madu and oko jumbo were also ex-slaves. Read up on beef between king Dappa Pepple and Madus son Alali because Dappa Pepple was snobbish to ex-slaves unlike his father King Opubo. Read trade winds on River Niger, a blow by blow account of royal niger company. Written by british.

*Waridabo not waribo

Dede, if amanayanabo is bastardised ama onye an abo, then what is the equivalent for amadabo, waribo or alabo, the
other heirarchical structures of chieftaincy. These your folktales need help.

Yeah right. You don see awoof. I'm sure it was demichelis that made lucio play badly at bayern cos lucio always played well for brazil and neverkusen

Kiri is an Ijaw word, so what gives? I know you remember the former Nigerian footballer Richard Owubokiri from Okrika (Kirike-se, Wakirike).


@ interested parties,

My research confirms that the founder of Ogan House is an Igbo man who was settled in Okrika by King Fibika, Ado V, in the 1840's. His name was Chief Ilalamoku Chukwukere Ogan.

nateevs:
I knew this was going to happen.
I have commented on Hutch's early retirement once before.
It's unfortunate.
I wish him well wherever he finds himself. He would have been world class.

I remember. . . . I swear that boy had everything to be a World Class performer. . .


Meanwhile, Im hoping this story is an April fools joke, otherwise Chelsea scouts need to be drug tested. . .




Bayern Munich misfit Martin Demichelis set to snub Chelsea move in favour of Sevilla

Chelsea have made a £10million offer for Bayern Munich utility player Martin Demichelis but the player wants to join Sevilla.

The Argentine is in dispute with Bayern and club sources say Chelsea have made the first move.
Blue snub: Martin Demichelis is interested in joining Spanish side Sevilla

Blue snub: Martin Demichelis is interested in joining Spanish side Sevilla

Juventus have also shown an interest in the 29-year-old.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1306174/Bayern-Munich-misfit-Martin-Demichelis-set-snub-10m-Chelsea-favour-Sevilla.html#ixzz0xghvNdtJ

naijaking1:
Of War House Canoes
Of Alagoa re-writing history to spruce up Ijaw image after the civil war.
I simply say carry go

It's obvious you have an unlimited source of fabricated and inconsist supply of cooked-up stories that tend to portray Ijaws in better light than others.
Most of the assertions made in your reference are understandbly pro-Ijaw. These Ijaw 'historical facts' are laugbable and only as true as the Ijaw people claiming ownership of the "abandoned" properties they stole from Ndigbo.

Until you post a pre-civil source, nobody will take you and you emblished Ijaw stories seriously.

Please reference Ugwulor Eugene Nwala, Kingdom Orji and Gamaliel Sokari-George who wrote that paper. Im sure you would have noticed that 2 of them are Igbo.

Now, what exactly bothers you about the story?

^^^ Im just getting the news now. . . .

Abagworo:
You and I know that Ikwerre has enough land and even conceded some in the past to okrika.The issue here is development.Ibime are you not ashamed of showing off such shanty settlements as your village?When foreigners shoot documentary on Niger delta do you feel proud of the decayed settlements.All the blames go to the government.Now that Amaechi wants to clean up the area as a caring Governor why then are some people opposing it?As an Okrika guy you need to explain to your people the benefits of education and clean environment and not join the band wagon of crying wolf to avert meaningful development.

Forget stories. . . since when did shanty settlements become the most pressing issue?. . . .we have many shanty settlements from Diobu to Mile 3. . . Im not against development, just find it weird that waterfronts become a pressing issue for Government all of a sudden with the oft-given excuse about security. . . . we have had waterfronts with no security problem since 19kporodim. . . . back then, any Igbo man moving into Southern PH is more likely to rent a place in Lagos Island etc with no security concern. . . Security only became a problem when Odili, Sekibo and Abam started arming the boys to wrestle Okrika from ANPP. . . .

hehehehe. . . . MIGHT MAKES RIGHT!

Live by gun, die by gun. . . .

Abagworo:
The Rivers issue gets me pissed off.Everyone is fighting Amaechi.Now they have killed Soboma George to disrupt the peace Amaechi brought to Rivers state and scare away investors.

What do you you mean they've killed Soboma George to disrupt peace? Was Soboma George an agent of peace?

Only Okrika and Ikwerre people have right to comment on this issue. . . . not a fan of Patience, but she is well within her right to speak up on this issue.

BTW, Jaja's real name is Mbanaso. . . Jubo Jubogha is his slave name. . .


Interesting story about Abam, Umuebulu, Bonny and Okrika. . . looks like the Abam guys were some cold blooded mercenaries. . .


Okrika traders used the Imo River which rises from Mbaise hills in Imo State, forming a confluence with Otamini river at Umuebulu where they purchased palm oil and kernel. According to Diebo Fiberesima, born at Umuebulu in 1944, the Umuebulu reported that they had previously given Bonny people a portion of their land as trading post. It was alleged that the Bonny traders later assisted Abam people in Abriba of the present Abia State to behead Umuebulu people for rituals and festivals. The Okrika traders settled this matter through the District Officer at Bonny. They refunded to the Bonny traders the sum of 15,028 manilas, being the sum they had paid for the land. The Okrika traders, on their part, assisted to ward-off the intrusion of Abam head-hunters in Umuebulu. For this reason, the Umuebulu people compensated them with more lands. From this time the Okrika settlers are said to have lived in peace with their host, except for minor disputes on land boundaries. According to Diebo (2006), negotiations began in 1888 and agreement was reached in 1911.


http://ijawhistory.com/Ami%20Pro%20-%20CHAPT25.pdf

I thought that when Sanusi announced Power fund, you mocked him as a generator provider. Now you are using it as evidence of Jonathan's good governance.  

Andre Uweh:
The Abam were reknown for plundering villages for slaves and not Aros.

Which Abam? Are they related to Abam House in Okrika?

For example. . .


Sly Boogy:

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Mickey Factz:

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It seems you wish to have an argument with yourself. Even the landlocked Swizz have rivers you know.