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TLona1:
In 1958, Brazil had to face Soviet Union and Austria in the group stage.

In 1962, Czech Republic and Mexico

In 1970, Romania and Czech Republic.

How are these countries different from the modern day Poland, Iran, Mexico, Bosinia and co?

Abeg abeg

I don't like discussing nonsense with ignorant people

You have already shown enough ignorance for one day

Czech Republic reached the final in 1962

Soviet Union knocked out England in Group stage in 1958, beating them 2-0, why didn't you mention that. They were Olympic Champions and Euro Champions. So you have Brazil, England, Soviet Union and Austria in the group.

All you need to know is these were the top 16 teams that came through qualifying. If anybody is better than them, they would have qualified ahead of them. They are nothing like Iran, Bosnia and Nigeria.

We will not go into history lesson to satisfy your ignorance.

hensben:
Some of these teams were not actually great as at this time, e.g Spain, Mexico and France.

Spain has always been good, just not put it together. You can't have Real Madrid dominating UCL and say Spain aren't good while playing Madrid stars, DiStefano and co. The reason they didn't win anything is exactly the point, inability to escape the tough competition

France was good and prior World Cup semifinalist

Mexico has always been Mexico

I used that example for indomie generation. The toughest group was actually Brazil group, but because this indomie generation won't know about the Mighty Magyars (Hungary) of Puskas generation, I decided not to use that group as example

hensben:
Messi actually played France and Holland to win the cup.

Did he beat them in 90 mins or with help of penaltying Goalkeeper

If he faced them in Group stage instead of Poland and Mexico, he will be out with 2 points from Group stage

oliverano:
Honest question....

You've made valid points but why is CONMEBOL maligned so much because of having lesser teams?

The logic here is that having lesser teams means the competition is tougher which I kind of agree but why isn't this applied to the South American qualifiers/Copa America?

In what context? It must be in relation to Europe

CONMEBAL has only two heavyweight teams (Argentina and Brazil) as opposed to Europe that has Germany, France, Spain, England, Holland, Italy, Portugal, Belgium

2nd level down, you still have Croatia, Denmark, Switzerland vs Uruguay, Chile and Colombia

TLona1:
It's bot about start stat padding. It about the number of times the best teams will have to play which makes it harder.

For example, there'll be 48 teams in the next World cup. If Argentina still goes on to win the competition, it means they'll play more matches plus even having to face the best teams later on in the KO stage before getting to the final.

Now compare this with what happened in 1958, 62 and 70 where Brazil didn't have to play many matches to reach the final.

They're not the same at all.

It's 6 games in Pele time Vs 7 games now

The only missing link is 2nd round

All 6 games are tough because you are playing the top 16 qualifiers in the World and can easily get knocked out in group stage

You don't have an argument. Imagine Brazil, Holland, France and Mexico in the same group, that's the equivalent of what used to happen in Pele days, every group is group of death

You are capping nonsense. Check out these groups in 1966 World Cup.

Imagine Messi have to play France and Holland this World Cup after losing to Saudi instead of Poland and Mexico, tell me how he will smell 2nd round

TLona1:
It'll be more difficult because best teams will still get to play against each other later on when smaller teams get eliminated.

Nonsense. It just means players can statpad against weaker opponents in group stage and 2nd round

As it stands, the only top tier teams Messi has scored open play goals against in 5 World Cups are Holland and France

Rest of his records are against useless teams like Bosnia, Iran, Nigeria that won't qualify for World Cup in Peles time

TLona1:
Having 16 teams means they didn't habe to play group stage.

Na competition be that?

They play Group stage, then straight to QF

No 2nd round

Of course the less teams in a World Cup, the stiffer the opposition

Or you mean to tell me it will be more difficult to perform when FIFA expand to 48 teams and start giving people like New Zealand automatic entry from Australasia, probably 7 teams from Africa and Asia, reducing the quality of opponents

fredoooooo:
Bro e never reach this one , na football we dey look not politics ...
When we talk about politics, its a different ball game...
Argentina like you said did it and not Messi or their national team .
Should we also stop supporting Eggland or not watch EPL because of their past atrocities.
Germany recently return artifacts stole years ago to Nigeria , should we stop supporting Germany ?
I've deal with different nationalties in my line of profession and I've also deal directly with personal and systemic racism.
On this issue it's pure football for me and its sinply MESSI VS RONALDO.
And I'M HAPPY MESSI WON .
I don't know of your personal experiences with racism overthere ,but you're one of those I respect so much on this street ...

No overthink am, na agenda

TLona1:
Ibime, forgiveness and Bimffo so World cup 1958 and 1962 had just 16 participating countries?? Lmao.

Just shows how less the competition was then compared to now.

Another Reason Messi is the GOAT.

You must be high on cow dung

Having less teams means the competition is stiffer and shyt teams like Iran, Bosnia, Nigeria, Poland that Messi used to statpad get filtered out in the qualifiers

Theflint1:
Con be like say we don carry food from Jamaicans mouth with afrobeats

Yeah we definitely have. Ragga is off the airwaves now. Na Burna, Oxlade, Rema and Fireboy dey run our radio stations here. Even the Jamaicans are now vibing to our music

EmmanuelScott1:
Bro it's a voice over

Cc. ibime


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRmiAYnG-Q8

I know. I saw that the Qatar World Cup voice was the same as Buenos Aires one, then I remembered it's from his concert in Australia

Itsrm:
How do we know its not a voice over. Na fabrication and lies full most tiktok videos

I found out it is. Na the same voiceover from his Australia concert

Remas team is doing well. Like donjazzy said, do anything to trend before the algorithm forget about you

Donjazet2:
Ibime is an ijaw man by birth, but who emigrated, studied fantastically abroad, did well for himself, married a white lady,

My wife is black bro, you done repeat this line tire, it's incorrect

EmmanuelScott1:
True talk

See this one for Qatar


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz2VWinrtS8

Oxlade Ku Lo Sa is also building up steam worldwide

Ellexy:
Is that video real?

Yes na, Rema done takeover Arab and Latin world

Nigga went diamond (10x platinum). The Selena Gomez remix gave it another boost in Latin World, but Arab tiktokers done spread am all over Arab world since

EmmanuelScott1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xvyHTAaS2M

Honestly these boys are making us proud

Even Arab world is crazy for Rema. My daughter went to her Arab classmate party last weekend and my wife told me the Arab mums were all dancing calm down dance

The one wey shock me na when I see my CEO dey sing "I need Igbo and Shayo" for work Xmas party

Who done see that video of the whole Buenos Aires singing Calm Down by Rema

Oh boy, that gave me goosebumps

Almajirihunter:
Ronald Reagan, Ibime fear God lmao , we understand it’s not easy to defend a GOAT you didn’t even celebrate one of his goals live

No lamba. You can check the records of what Reagan said about Pele

kokaneprodigy:
Y’all are wasting your time with Ibime, Obama, FIFA to name a few recognize Messi as GOAT you are arguing with someone that’s only known within the four walls of his room.

Una get energy to waste.

Ronald Reagan, Mohammed Ali, Mourinho recognise Pele as GOAT so what are you saying. What concern us with Obama who only knows basketball

FIFA did not recognise anything. The young nigga who tweeted that probably clearing his desk at FIFA HQ as we speak, and Tweet has been deleted

Arizoner:
pele had no weakness. Maybe his height but he was excellent in the air

He got one statistical weakness Pessimists can use against him, and that lies in Brazilian State Championship structure

donstan18:
FIFA deleted their post when called out for supporting Messi in the GOAT debate against Ronaldo.

I said the person in charge of Twitter account is a Gen Z person for posting that juvenile tweet, and will get a slap on the wrist - as if GOAT debate is between Messi and Ronaldo only. That's all current generation know

Every official FIFA position places nobody above PELE in their rankings. Even when younger generations, Italian and Argentines colluded to vote Maradona once for player of the century, FIFA still made Pele and Maradona share the award equally.

hensben:
His 500 goals plus we’re unofficial. He never won golden boot in any of the World Cup he played.

He has nearly 800 official goals, only 7 penalties inside

They removed 500 goals as unofficial

larride:
Ibime

Please check your pm

I've responded

Arizoner:
Pele did unimaginable things messi cannot try today. This was a man that played in the days of malicious tackles from ruthless defenders. Yet he was able to achieve so much

On the flip side, Messi played in an era where players cover more km so had less space to operate in

Whatever the reality of your era, just perform. A man cannot perform outside his era. You can't bring Mohammed Ali to be fighting 6ft 9 heavyweights in this day and age. To them he's just a cruiserweight, but he is still the greatest

Sportsweb:
What's the weakness?

Not playing in Europe?

Nope, the league he played in was as strong or stronger

It's something to do with the Brazilian tournament structure, but not the league itself

andrewbaba44:
When it’s weak team it’s only Messi that use to stat pad

Why can’t you talk about all the teams mbappe scored against ?

Your double standards is top notch

Mbappe has 5 goals against Argentina, 1 against Croatia, 2 against Denmark

That's 8 of his 12 World Cup goals

andrewbaba44:
Pele played in a weak league ,no matter how you try to sugarcoat it

There was nothing weak about Brazil league, or South America in general, whose clubs dominated the European ones in Intercontinental club

Nothing weak about Brazilian league that produced 3 World Cups. All Brazil players had to play in Brazil league or lose their National team spot by law,so those Brazil players dominating World Cup is what you find in Brazilian league. That was the quality of the Brazilian league

Pele was still the highest paid athlete (not footballer) from that same league

andrewbaba44:
World Cup then wasn’t even more than 4 groups ,so it’s even easier winning it then

Yeah, that's when shyt teams get sifted out in qualification stage, not like today when any Iran, Bosnia, Nigeria, Saudi or Poland come to World Cup so Messi can statpad with them

larride:
Una go just dey repeat anything una see online without bothering to check whether it's TRUE or not.

None of these Indomie generation have brought good argument against Pele

Pele has one weakness you can use to argue against him, but nobody has mentioned it, because none of them are grounded

To add, Pele played a lot shorter period than Messi, took only 7 penalties and dropped to midfield for the second half of his career, but still outperform Messi in non penalty goals

I am still waiting for one of these uninformed generation to mention the major weakness in Pele's legacy, and none are smart enough to mention it, instead of mentioning pure lies like offside rule Maybe the more informed can help them out

hensben:
Are you aware some of Pepe’s goals were offside if it were to be now.

Pele is a no10 dribbler not a goal hanger. Offside rule was even more stringent in Pele day. You have to have two men behind the ball

andrewbaba44:
He wasn’t the best player at the tournament,the way you speak it will look like pepe single handedly carried Brazil

It’s not anyone fault that he didn’t play the whole tournament nah

Jairzinho still outscored pele at the 1970 World Cup

You said Messi only scored 2 goals aside penalty ,but you are celebrating mbappe hatrick which includes 2 Pk because his name is not Messi ,why don’t you tell us how mbappe ghosted against Morocco and couldn’t score against England

Messi scored 3 non PK goals man

Messi scored 3 non penalty goals in his greatest ever World Cup

Pele scored 6 non penalty as a 17 year old just from QF to final

Messi only scored tapin from QF to final

Pele was injured in group stage, as soon as he got fit the Brazil players voted and told the coach he must play, the rest is history. They know Pele, the top scorer in Brazilian league at the age of just 16

When Messi was 19, Argentina were still benching him in 2006 World Cup

They gave Didi out of respect for age. It is human nature to overlook a 17 year old, knowing he would get more chances. Didi only scored 1 goal in 1958 WC, he was an old midfielder, same way they give Modric accolades over Vinicius knowing Modric is about to bow out and Vinicius has plenty time

Before Pele, Santos never won the league. After Pele they became perennial Champions and COPA Libertadores back to back winners. If Messi try that with Newell Old boys, we won't know him today

Pele - 12 non penalty goals and 10 assists in 14 matches

Messi - 8 non penalty goals and 8 assists in 26 matches.

Before you say, let Pele prove it in Europe, check what Pele did to the dominant UCL Champions Benfica in Intercontinental Cup

I repeat, THE GOAT IS THE GOAT

andrewbaba44:
Did you know that in 1958 Didi was the player of the tournament and not Pele?

In 1962 Pele didn't even play the tournament because he got injured after the first game.

Garrincha was such a great player that he led Brazil to victory even without Pele. That's how stacked that team was.

In 1970 Pele finally won his 1st player of the tournament after scoring 4 goals. But his teammate Jairzinho scored in every game of the tournament. Jairzinho scored 7 goals in 6 games

Ibime why didn’t you tell us all these ?

Pele came into the 1958 tournament in the QF, scored, then scored hattrick in the semi and brace in the final.

You say he didn't win POTT, that's because he didn't play the whole tournament, but he won YPOTT and the organisers have already given him something to hold body while respecting the elder Didi. His performance in that tournament is much better than anything Messi did in this World Cup.

None of the above includes penalties

Pele scored 4 in 1970, but dropped a ton of assists winning the golden ball

Once again, your Messi only scored two goals this tournament aside penalties

None of Pele records includes penalties

EOD

And we all know Messi golden ball in 2014 was a fraud, with no GA in the knockout stage

The GOAT Is the GOAT