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take dat: Cheap blackmail and tissues of lies from an habitual liar who speaks on behalf of a government that is pathologically incapable of accepting responsibility. If there are concrete evidence that he is behind the BH scourge, why not prosecute him instead of this campaign of calumny, looking for a fall guy? Is Government trying to abdicate her responsibility of securing lives and properties to the Same Buhari who is accused of being behind the menace? Okupe should tell Nigerians if it was Buhari who granted the likes of Ndume bail, and if he is the reason why Modu Sherrif still remains a free man? Why not send his deputy(Sambo) to do the same just as Yaradua did with him in brokering peace with the ND militants?

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maclatunji: I get your point on not praying at the time of rising and setting of the sun but the period for not praying from Asr into Magrib is very much less than 1 hour in my estimation

In your 6pm example, try to pray as soon as you leave examination hall now. The rules aren't very friendly to not praying on time.

InshaAllah, I will seek to find something definitive tomorrow.

This is in the case of Nigeria. In some countries, the sun could set around 4pm, when exams and classes could still be in progress. We must look at the problem holistically.

Not praying for sunset and sunrise is only for Nafilah. If you missed a fard prayer you must repay it as soon as you are able to. The window for Asr is from late afternoon to sunset. You must repay your Asr before Maghrib time.

@OP Islam understands the issue of aggravating circumstances, and looks at people's intentions. For some people, it is practically impossible to say Salat at their stated times due to the nature of their jobs (e.g. a Pilot, Surgeon, Student sitting exams etc). Consistently missing a class, might harm a student's performance in school. Some scholars believe, combining prayers (for aggravating circumstances other than traveling) is permitted. Otherwise, one should repay the prayer as soon as one is able to (even if the time for the prayer has passed).

Allah intends ease for you, and He does not want to make things difficult for you Qur'an 2: 185
But if one is forced by necessity without willful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him Qur'an 2:173

I think this is an issue for each person to analyze by himself/ herself and arrive at a decision with pure intention. May God forgive our shortcomings.

Paris_Love: after You lots failed woefully to answer me?

LoL . You never were here for answers anyway and nothing would have satisfied you. That's why I started by saying "I don't really know if my reply to you will be of any use". And even when I gave you a hadith, it wasn't good enough for you (although you asked for one). Alright, I won't derail your thread Sir, but the question I asked should be something for you to think about

@Paris_Love I ask you again, what punishment does Christianity recommend for rape? Why are you not answering?

Paris_Love: Ok
I'm made to believe that any hadith that contradicts the Quran should be considered a fabricate and should be discarded as not being authentic.
Surah2:282 And call in to witness fromamong your men two witnesses; but if there arenot two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other;
According to this verse the testimony of a woman is half and cannot be accepted,so how can Muhammad go against the dictates of the Quran?

Wow.

1) Well first of all, the verse of the Qurán you quoted was for financial transactions, debts in particular. Please go and look at the verse again. You must understand the context of the verse of the Qurán before even thinking of quoting.

2) For example, the witnesses for adultery is four witnesses and not two as mentioned in this verse. Qurán 24:6-9 also proves that the testimony of a man is not superior to a woman in matters of accusation of adultery.

3) Thirdly, in this hadith the r.apist was sentenced on his own testimony. I really don't see how the hadith contradicts the Qurán as you claim.

4)

Paris_Love: Even the Hadiths you used, are considered weak and you wouldn't even accept them if they put up a particular argument against Islam.

Considered weak? By whom? You or Islamic scholars? The ONLY reason why you are not willing to accept the hadith is because it doesn't support your arguments. I'm sure you would have considered it authentic if it did. . You asked for a hadith, No? What now is the problem?

5) Can you quote a hadith - a weak one even - in which a rape victim was commanded to be stoned to death?

6)

Paris_Love: There are no quotes from Bukhari or Muslim, which are considered the most authentic Hadiths in Islam.

Can you please quote any reference that says Muslims accept only hadiths from Bukhari and Muslim? And that all other hadith should be discarded?

@Paris_Love
Now let me ask you this question: What punishment does Christianity recommend for r.ape?

1.

Paris_Love: WHY?

I don't know.

2.

Paris_Love: All the crimes you mentioned above is not the same with molestation

Indeed witchcraft, alcoholism, armed-robbery and r.ape are not the same things. And I never mentioned that they were. You missed my point. And I wouldn't want to go into a debate between which is more hateful before God between r.ape and witchcraft. My point was just to highlight that not all crimes have their punishment mentioned in the Qurán.

3.

Paris_Love: Like marry her?

No. Giving the dowry money is to serve as a financial penalty. For the scholars who hold that view.

4.

Paris_Love: Could You point out the punishment in the hadith?

"When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (r.aped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah. When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.
He (the Prophet) said to the woman: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. And about the man who had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.

He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4366)"

5.

Paris_Love: Using that logic the victim would be punished too, which is more often the case in muslim countries.

You probably didn't read my reply in full. Actions, as mentioned in a hadith are judged according to intentions. In Islam, there is no punishment when one is forced to do something under duress.

6.

Paris_Love: Ok, what is it?

Please see the Hadith quoted in (4).

@Paris Love
Hi. I don't really know if my reply to you will be of any use.

Actually there is no mention of the punishment of rape (specifically) in the Qurán.
But this in no way means that rape is not a crime as Islamic Jurisprudence is not based on the Qurán alone.
Authentic traditions of the Prophet are also valid sources of laws in Islam.

For example, the following are punishable in Islam but their punishment is not in the Qur'an:
1. Drinking Alcohol
2. Armed Robbery
3. Witch Craft

For these and other offences, Muslims make recourse to the Hadith. The vast body of Islamic Jurisprudence is to
be found in the Hadith. For example, there is no detailed description of how to observe the Salah (i.e prayer) in
the Qurán but it is the single most important act of worship for a muslim. The rites of the pilgrimage are to be
found in the Hadith as well and not the Qurán.

Adultery as you know is punishable in Islam by death or flogging. The rapist has already committed adultery of course
and as such is liable to the punishment that is due to the fornicator/ adulterer. In the very least.
In Islam, a man cannot have sex with a woman unless he pays her the dowry. That's probably why some of the Islamic
scholars believe the rapist should pay the woman the dowry money as well.

Probably, the reason why you opened this thread is 'what then is the punishment for the woman who has been raped'?
As bigmanahmad said, there is no punishment on the woman due to one of the most important sayings of the Prophet:

"Actions are judged according to intentions"

And how will rape not be punishable in Islam if merely accusing a woman (or man) of fornication, falsely, attracts a punishment of
80 lashes?

As such, I think your question should be 'What is the punishment of rape in Islam'.

Thatdave: uptill now no imam has denounced the northern blood shed as unislamic. giving references to the quran. on national news paper or television! the true muslims are afraid. those to wage the true jihad have no balls. 4uk islam.

Really? Sheikh Gumi has condemned Boko Haram on countless occasions before. Many muslim clerics have been killed for voicing their opposition to Boko Haram.
http://newsrescue.com/boko-haram-muslims-prophets-worst-enemy-condemn-them-sheikh-gumi/#axzz2HrQeni19

What a dumb and pointless post . If you knew what Buhari's plans are, no matter how good, would it even change your opinions of him? Why bother? He's NOT your president and I think you should be happy enough with that fact.

Have you ever healed a sick person

@OP The question is wrong as no human, except God, can heal the sick, even if it was you that prayed over them. If you've ever prayed for someone and you thought you were the one that healed them then I'll say that's unfortunate. Go and read the bible: Jesus gave glory to God whenever he prayed for the sick. He was always careful to let his disciples know that he only did so with God's Power.

pc guru: ehmmm pls don't use the Bible to support cheating thanks, you can use the other book.

And which is the 'other book' that supports cheating?

The house has spoken: go for the second girl .

They should bury her without much delay. They really have no right to be treating her as if she were a lab rat.

Dont tell me to go to hospital please, i hate there.

Well, I'm afraid but you have to go to the hospital eventually. That's if you're really serious about getting treatment. But of course you might try the trial-and-error route and try all the different ointments that people here suggest. I believe the constitution is not against that .

Yellow trousers. I be winch?

Donlittle: too faulty. What is it with people trying to figure out attributes of the other species anyways?

Women are a different species from men? I guess one learns something new everyday

@Hashiya (25167091DF) and @Jameel263(25156696ID): I'm afraid you've not been admitted.Maybe, wait for the second list (if any). All the best.

What's up with people asking for pdf again?

Is it so difficult to click a link?

If you can't do that, chances are high that you've not been admitted

Prospective students can check for their names here: http://sdrv.ms/10MRcwT. Good luck guys

I am in support of a Femi Otedola/ Farouk Lawan ticket. It's politics after all and differences can be sorted

When Buhari did the same, naija people no let him rest.

matrix789: Besides why Did Jesus accept Worship?
when we are to worship only God?

The bible also has Jesus as worshipping God as well for example: falling on his face in prostration, blessing God after meals, supplicating, fasting, being baptised etc, etc.

matrix789: With all Respect the Muslim Allah and the Christain God are two different persons.
So muslims may never understand what Trinity is?

Apparently For the "Muslim Allah" says:

"Surely, they have disbelieved those who say 'God is a trinity', while there is no other god but one God.."

Qur'an 5: 73

frosbel: Indeed he can , why can't he ?

He created you and me, surely he can make another MAN, at least we agree Jesus was born miraculously , indeed this was by the Power of the Spirit of GOD.

So Jesus is both Son of GOD through his Father GOD and Son of MAN through Mary.

Is the "sonship" of other human-beings to God the same as the "sonship" of Jesus to God? Or is it some sort of special relationship whereby Jesus emerges from the "body" of the Father, "inheriting" his attributes, just as, grammatically, the word "son" connotes? (If this was so, we can of course conclude that the Father, if it pleases him, can go on to similarly "produce" other sons and daughters..).

As an aside, frosbel, if Jesus was ben-Adam (as he himself referred to himself several times in the bible), do you think he will be judged by God on the day of judgement. Some of these things are really confusing.

Peter pan: Listen up,in all things let us try and do things in spirit,the concept of trinity(HOLY TRINITY),Is simple i still don't know why christians can't explain dis simple concept,the concept of TRINITY means GOD working in three forms,appearaance,identity,namely;GOD the father(creator),GOD the son (saviour and intercessor of mankind.),GOD the spirit(the comforter,spirit of truth,Any question on that.

And what's your reference? So when "God the son" died, did the other gods die along with him?

@frosbel

Now this is the part I don't understand. Can God realistically have a son? What does it mean when you say Jesus is the "son" of God? What is the relationship between the Father and Mary? I ask this, because Jesus is apparently "descended" from both Mary and the Father.

frosbel: Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD begotten without a father, directly by the POWER of the Spirit of the Living GOD.

In answer to your other questions :

1. God is the father of Jesus Christ
For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you - Acts 3:22

What does it mean when you say God is the father of Jesus Christ? Biblically, God is also our father. Do we also inherit divinity from God?
You've also not answered my last question.

frosbel: Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD and not GOD himself, please do not continue to blaspheme !

What does it mean then when you say Jesus is the "Son of God"? What does the appellation "Son of God" really mean?
This title has been used in the bible for other people too. Is it the same when used for Jesus too?

a) What is the relationship between God and the Son of God?
b) Is/ Was Jesus a man?
c) Is he a Prophet?
d) Is Jesus a divine being?

And most importantly..

d) Did he have a beginning? Was he in existence with God before everything was created? Did God create the Jesus?

I'm interested to have your views on these issues :-).

stagger: God forbid that I will use the brain of my fellow man to explain his nature. God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one and the same. That said, the word "Trinity" was never used in the bible and is a man-made word used to describe the tripartite nature of God.

Mr OP, good luck to you on your exposition.

Eh .. not exactly.

" Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. "

Matthew 12:32.
This verse makes a clear distinction between the "son" and the "holy spirit".

There are countless biblical verses that show that the "father", "son" and "holy spirit" are distinct and not the same. If you want more examples, I will happily oblige .

slimming: That is the consequence of living under the law of men, it punishes for sin and have no provision for repentance.

Thank Jesus for the provision of grace

Very silly. Where was the provision for repentance when Jesus asked his disciples to cut off their hands or pluck out their eyes if it causes them to sin? Shouldn't he have simply asked them to repent? Is it so difficult to do? Yeah, he was speaking metaphorically.