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Any doctrine not Rooted in Christ will surely Fall!!
We are getting there gradually.
Thank you Sir.

Goshen360:
Don't mind these tithe yahoos....lol. You dismantle the Abraham tithe and tell them to show why Christians should tithe because Abraham did or after the example of Abraham, they come up with.....you're Abraham seed. I'm just sick and tired of these guys twisting scriptures

My Bro I tire oo.
The bible as a whole has one "Person" in Full view which is CHRIS.
All God wants to give us from the Beginning was Grace!!
In Genesis1:1 it was:God created the Heavens and Earth.(full stop)
It was never "in the begining God and man created anything"
So all God wants to give us was Grace!!
Adam was a type of Christ,Abraham was also a vessel of whom Christ will manifest,Isaac was purely a type of Christ(being the Son) he represent Grace because he did "NOTHING"
Jacob was the experience/dealings of the cross.Joseph was also purely a shadow of Christ ETC.
So Bro
Most Christains don't know that when Christ said "ITS FINISH" on the cross was when He's creation in Genesis was completed.

The Hand of God is a Person,simple!!

Grace001:

Do you have problems with comprehension?

Due respect Sir, we need sound scriptural backing.

petra1:
Christ is seed of Abraham

Then why focus on Abraham instead of Christ alone?

Grace001:
You're indeed a JOKER just like Goshen360 said. So tell us where in New Testament Christ collected tithe or paid tithe since you said "Abraham seed referred often in the bible was Christ" How come there wasn't continuation? You are just so confused. Imagine how our money focused pastors are milking us dry despite that we are not the real isrealite, what would have happened if we are the real isrealite. I don't blame the so called money focused pastors I blamed the gullible followers who think it's God collecting their tithe. Even when they are aware that paying of tithe won't make them inherit heaven if they lose the salvation of their soul.

Do you problem with comprehsion?

Clevergeo:
I just keep wondering why people wouldn't take the text of scripture for what it is.

Why would you keep asking how can a God retrieve SALVATION given to man through GRACE?

Are you just hardening your hearts?

Eph 2:8 - For it is by GRACE you have been saved, through FAITH--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Yes I know I have been saved by Grace, but through Faith that works not self-imposed work.
What kind of work was Paul talking about here?
He was simply saying that work motivated by SELF can neither earn us salvation nor cause us to remain in Him.

12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my
absence--CONTINUE TO WORK out your salvation with fear and trembling,
13 for IT IS GOD WHO WORKS it is God who works in you to WILL and to ACT(WORK) according to his good purpose.

On the other hand, CONTINUING WORK produced by FAITH or the inward working of the SPIRIT is prerequisite to our remaining saved.

Let him that has ears listen and be instructed!
Pls beloved brothers & Sisters I do this not for argument sake. I do this because I love my fellow believers and it pains me to see them
tossed to and fro by devilish wind of doctrines.

So you believe you were saved by Grace and not by works,yes?
And God can still retrieve the saving Grace given to you?
Then your God has an issue

petra1:
Abraham was not under the law . He was called father of faith . He was justified by faith . Every one who received justification by faith is called seed of Abraham

Galatians 3:7-8
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.



Yes he is

What do you mean by seed of Abraham?
So if we are justify by faith we are Abraham seed and not Christ seed?

Goshen360:
JOKER!

Next time, think before you report to a question like this. Paul didn't connect Christians with Abraham based on tithe BUT on FAITH IN CHRIST and the finished works. I'm not and Christians are not Abraham seed by tithe but by faith.

THOSE WHO ARE OF FAITH.....not those who tithe....ARE ABRAHAM SEED. Btw, seed NOT as in biological products because I know my biological father just as much as I know my heavenly father and my spiritual father. You guys like to confuse folks with KJV English.

Abraham Seed referred often in the bible was Christ.Abraham was a vessel/channel God used to ursher Christ.
The Old was a shadow/prototype of the New.
Some pple need to google OLD and NEW,PAST and PRESENT.

salvation101:
EVERY BOOK OF THE BIBLE POINTS TO THE PERSON PF JESUS CHRIST

Genesis The Seed of the Woman
Messiah would be born of the seed of a woman (Gen 3:15, Luke 1:34-35)
Messiah would be a descendant of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob (Gen 12:3, 17:19, 28:14, Luke 3:23-34)
Messiah would be a king in the line of Judah (Gen 49:10, John 1:49)
Typified in the person of Melchizedek (Gen 14:18)
The life of Isaac - the sacrificed son (Gen 22)
The life of Joseph - the rejected brother (Gen 37
)
Exodus The Passover Lamb
Typified in the life of Moses - the deliverer
The Passover Lamb (Ex 12, John 1:29,36)
The Manna from Heaven (Ex 16, John 6)
The Rock struck at Horeb (Ex 17, 1 Cor 10:4)
The Tabernacle (Brazen Altar, Lampstand, Table of Showbread, Ark of the covenant etc) (Gen 25-30)

Leviticus The High Priest
Typified in the sacrifices and offerings (Lev 1-7)
In the Jewish festivals (Passover, Atonement, Lev 16, 23)
In the scapegoat (Lev 16:7-9)
In the person and duties of the High Priest (Lev 16)

Numbers The Cloud and The Fire
Messiah would be a King (Num 24:17)
Typified in the bronze serpent (Num 21:8-9)
The Water from the Rock (Num 20)

Deuteronomy The Prophet Like Moses
Messiah will be a prophet (Deut 18:15-19, John 6:14)
Messiah would be worshipped by angels (Deut 32:43, Luke 2:13-14)
Typified in the cities of refuge (Deut 4:41)

Joshua The Captain of Our Salvation
Typified in the person of Joshua (our leader into the promised land)
In the Promised Land
In the Commander of the Army (Josh 5:13-15)

Judges The Judge And Lawgiver
Typified in the Judges (for He is true Judge of the living and the dead)

Ruth The Kinsman Redeemer
Messiah would be a descendant of Boaz and Ruth (Ruth 4:12-17)
Typified in the life of Boaz - The Kinsman Redeemer (Ruth 2:1)

1 & 2 Samuel The Prophet of The Lord
Messiah exalted by God with power (1 Sam 2:10, Matt 28:18)
Messiah would be a descendant of David (2 Sam 7:12-16, Matt 1:1)
Messiah would be the 'Rock' (2 Sam 23:2-3, 1 Cor 10:4)
Typified in the life of David - The King in Exile (1 Sam 22)
The life of Jonathon - the faithful friend (1 Sam 18:1-4)

1 & 2 Kings The Reigning King
Typified in the life of Solomon (the Millennial Reign)
In the life and miracles of the prophet Elisha (multiplying bread 2 Kings 4:42, healing leper 2 Kings 5)

1 & 2 Chronicles The Glorious Temple
Messiah would be from the tribe of Judah (1 Chron 5:2, Luke 3:23-32)
Typified in Solomon's temple
In the Wisdom of Solomon (2 Chron 9:22)

Ezra The Faithful Scribe
Typified in person of Zerubbabel, the rebuilder of the temple (Ezra 4)
Nehemiah The Rebuilder of the Walls Typified in the person of Nehemiah, the rebuilder of the walls of salvation

Esther Mordecai
Typified in the person of Mordecai

Job The Dayspring From on High
Typified in the sufferings of Job and the blessings that would follow

Psalms The Lord Who Is Our Shepherd
Messiah would be the Son of God (Ps 2:7, 12, Matt 17:5)
Messiah would be resurrected (Ps 16:8-10, Acts 13:30-37)
Messiah would be despised & crucified (Ps 22:6-8, 14, Luke 23:21-23, Matt 27:35)
Messiah would be hated without cause (Ps 69:4, Luke 23:13-22)
Messiah would be Lord, seated at the right hand of God (Ps 110:1,5, 1 Pet 3:21-22)
Messiah would be in the line of Melchizedek (Ps 110:4, Heb 6:17-20)
Messiah would be the 'stone' rejected by the Jews (Ps 118:22, Matt 21:42-43)
Key Messianic Psalms: Chapters 2, 8, 16, 22, 45, 69, 89, 109, 110, 118

Proverbs & Ecclesiastes The Wisdom of God
Messiah would be from everlasting (Prov 8:22-23, John 17:5)
Messiah would be the Son of God (Prov 30:4, Matt 3:16-17)
Typified in the Wisdom of God (Prov 8:22-31)
Song of Solomon The Lover & Bridegroom Typified in the Bridegroom's love for, and marriage to, the bride

Isaiah
The Suffering Servant Messiah would be born of a virgin (Is 7:14, Luke 1:34-35)
Messiah would be Immanuel "God with us" (Is 7:14, Matt 1:21-23)
Messiah would be God and Man (Is 9:6, John 10:30)
Messiah would have the 7-fold Spirit upon Him (Is 11:1-2, Matt 3:16-17)
Messiah would heal the blind, lame, deaf (Is 35:5-6, Mark 10:51-52)
Messiah would be proceeded by a forerunner (Is 40:3, Luke 1:17)
Messiah would be a light to the gentiles (Is 42:6, John 8:12)
Messiah would be despised by the Jewish nation (Is 49:7, John 10:20, Matt 27:23)
Messiah would be whipped and beaten (Is 50:6, Matt 26:67, 27:26)
Messiah would die as a guilt offering for sin (Is 53:10, John 18:11)
Messiah would be resurrected and live forever (Is 53:10, Mark 16:16)

Jeremiah & Lamentations
The Weeping Prophet Messiah would be God (Jer 23:6, John 13:13)
Messiah would be a righteous Branch (Jer 23:5)
Messiah would be our righteousness (Jer 23:6, 1 Cor 1:30)

Ezekiel The Son of Man
Messiah would be a descendant of David (Ez 34:23-24, Matt 1:1)

Daniel The Son of Man coming in the clouds of Heaven
Messiah would be 'a son of man' given an everlasting kingdom (Dan 7:13-14, Luke 1:31-34)
Messiah would come 483 years after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (Dan 9:25, John 12:12-23)
Messiah would be killed (Dan 9:26, Matt 27:35)
Revealed as the 'stone' (and His kingdom) that smashes the kingdoms of the world (Dan 2:34,44)
Typified in the 4th man in the fiery furnace - one like 'the son of gods' (Dan 3:25)

Hosea The Bridegroom
Typified in Hosea's faithfulness to his adulterous wife (Hos 3)

Joel The Baptizer With The Holy Spirit
Messiah will offer salvation to all mankind (Joel 2:32, Rom 10:12-13)
Messiah would baptize people with the Holy Spirit (Joel 2:28-32)

Amos The Burden Bearer
God would darken the day at noon during Messiah's death (Amos 8:9, Matt 27:45-46)

Obadiah The Mighty Savior

Jonah The Forgiving God
Typified in Jonah being 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of a fish (Jon 1:17, Matt 12:40)

Micah The Messenger With Beautiful Feet Messiah would be born in Bethlehem (Mic 5:2, Matt 2:1-2)
Messiah would be from everlasting (Mic 5:2, Rev:1-

Nahum The Avenger of God's Elect

Habakkuk The Great Evangelist, Crying For Revival Messiah would come from Teman at His return, full of glory (Hab 3:3)
Typified in the life of Habakkuk (his intercession and prayer for his people)

Zephaniah The Restorer of the Remnant
Haggai The Cleansing Fountain
Messiah would visit the 2nd temple (Hag 2:6-9, Luke 2:27-32)

Zechariah The Pierced Son
Messiah would be Priest and King (Zech 6:12-13, Heb 8:1)
Messiah would be ride into Jerusalem on a donkey (Zech 9:9, Matt 21:6-9)
Messiah would be God (Zech 11:12-13, John 12:45)
Messiah would be pierced (Zech 12:10, John 19:34-37)

Malachi
The Son of Righteousness Messiah would appear at the temple (Mal 3:1, Mark 11:15-16)
Messiah's forerunner would come in the spirit of Elijah (Mat 4:5, Matt 3:1-2)



Matthew The Messiah The Son of David (Matt 1:1)
The King of the Jews (Matt 2:2)
The Son of God (Matt 2:15).
The Bridegroom (Matt 9:15)

Mark The Miracle Worker The Holy One of God (Mark 1:24)
The Servant (Mark 10:45)
The King of Israel (Mark 15:32)

Luke The Son of Man The Horn of Salvation (Luke 1:69)
The Consolation of Israel: (Luke 2:25).

John The Son of God
The Only Begotten Son: (John 1:14,18)
The Lamb of God (John 1:29,36)
The Bread of life (John 6:35)
The Light of the World (John 8:1)
The I AM! (John 8:58)
The Door of the Sheep: (John 10:7,9)
The Good Shepherd (John 10:11)
The Resurrection and life (John 11:25)
The Way, the Truth, the Life (John 14:6)
The True Vine (John 15:1)

Acts The Ascended Lord The Prince of Life (Acts 3:15)
The Judge of the living and the dead (Acts 10:42)
The Just One (Acts 7:52).
The Hope of Israel (Acts 28:20)

Romans The Justifier The Rock of Offense (Romans 9:33)
The Deliverer (Romans 11:26)
The Lord of the dead and the living (Romans 14:9)
The Root of Jesse (Romans 15:12)

1 & 2 Corinthians The Last Adam The First-fruits (1 Corinthians 15:23)
The Last Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45)

Galatians The One Who Sets Us Free The Lord Jesus Christ (Gal 1:3)

Ephesians The Christ of Riches The Head over All Things (Ephesians 1:22)
The Cornerstone: (Ephesians 2:20)

Philippians The God Who Meets Our Every Need The Name above all names (Philippians 2:9)

Colossians The Fullness of The Godhead The Image of the Invisible God (Colossians 1:15)
The Head of the body (Colossians 1:18)
The Beginning (Colossians 1:18)
The Firstborn from the dead (Colossians 1:18)
The Hope of Glory (Col 1:27)

1 & 2 Thessalonians The Soon Coming King The Lord of Peace (2 Thessalonians 3:16)

1 & 2 Timothy The Mediator Between God And Man The King of Ages (1 Timothy 1:17)
The Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5)

Titus The Blessed Hope
The Blessed Hope (Titus 2:13)
The Great God and Saviour (Titus 2:13)

Philemon The Friend, Closer Than a Brother The Lord Jesus Christ (Philemon 3)

Hebrews The Blood That Washes Away My Sins The Heir of All Things (Hebrews 1:2)
The Faithful High Priest (Hebrews 2:17)
The Author and Finisher of our Faith (Hebrews 12:2)

James The Great Physician The Lord of Glory (James 2:1)
The Judge at the door (James 5:9)

1 & 2 Peter The Chief Shepherd The Living Stone (1 Peter 2:4)
The Chief Shepherd (1 Peter 5:4)

1 & 2 & 3 John Everlasting Love The Eternal Life (1 John 1:2)
The Righteous (1 John 2:1)

Jude The God our Saviour The Only Wise God our Saviour (Jude 25)

Revelation The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords! The Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last: (Revelation 1:17, 22:13)
The Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Rev 5:5)
The Word of God (Revelation 19:13).
The King of kings and Lord of lords (Revelation 19:16)
The Bright Morning Star (Revelation 22:16)

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Do you even have a detail comprehension of most of the scriptures you usually quote??

New International Version
Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God...Matt22:29
The Knowledge of the Scripture and the Power of God are two different things and many don't even KNOW the difference.
Regrettably,they are not Willing/Ready to "Know"
Until the "Old Wine Skin Burst" I believe they will still be adamant to "Know"
And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins."..Mark2:22

Goshen360:
Have you given 100% and sold everything?

Abeg help me ask her.
Funny thing is she's now focus on GIVING more than PAYING.
Presumed she knows the difference.

salvation101:
wat do u mean by promise? U mean God didn't av an everlasting covenant with Abraham? Or u don't know dat promises are made in covenant? Where does the Bible say Christ death abolished the covenant of God with Abraham? Christ only fulfilled the law. Abraham existed before the law. I wonder why its so difficult for u to get it.. The Law was given to moses at sinia, moses existed many years after Abraham

The covenant God promised Abraham took effect when Christ rose from the grave.
All He gave Abraham was merely a promise.
The nature of the covenant was Grace.
The everlasting covenant God promised Abraham was the convent of Grace.which became effective after the Resurrection of Christ.
Christains has only one convenant now which is the convenant of Grace
Why is it so hard fou you to grasp?

salvation101:
you intentionally skipped the part that said the covenant with Abraham was an everlasting covenant. Maybe you should first find out the meaning of the word '' EVERLASTING"...The only reason u nd i as gentiles can partake of the cross of Christ is because of God covenant with Abraham. Paul the apostle even said salvation was for the jews.
Sacred Promises

A covenant is an agreement in which two parties make commitments to each other. Each party takes upon himself, as part of his acceptance of the covenant, certain obligations that pertain to the relationship. In a gospel covenant, we enter into sacred agreements with God, promising our obedience to his will. In turn, he has promised glorious blessings to us if we obey and serve him.

The patriarch Abraham committed himself unwaveringly to the Lord’s service and was privileged to enter into a covenant with him. The Bible describes the blessings the Lord promised Abraham because of his faith and obedience. The following examples mention four promises:

Promise 1: “Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

“For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. (Gen. 13:14–15.)

Promise 2: “And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.” (Gen. 13:16.)

Promise 3: “I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.” (Gen. 17:7.)

Promise 4: “In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.” (Gen. 22:18.)

Abraham’s and Sarah’s son and grandson, Isaac and Jacob, received similar promises and became subject to the same covenants and obligations Abraham had received. (See Gen. 26:3–4; Gen. 28:13–14; Gen. 35:11–12.) In like manner, the covenant was renewed at Sinai with the descendants of these three men, the house of Israel. (Ex. 19:1–. By inheritance, those who descend from that lineage receive the same blessings and enter into the same obligations as their great forefathers. In modern times, the Lord has renewed that covenant with his Saints...

Jesus Christ was the seed of Abraham through wch anyone on the face of this planet can become the seed of Abraham. Jesus didn't cancel the covenant of God with Abraham, as a matter of fact Jesus is coming again He fulfilled the law but there are stil prophesies yet to be fulfilled. Yes i pray in the name of Jesus because without him i am alien, it is the adoption in Christ that makes me qualified to be an Abraham seed. Go and read the book of Romans 11..paul explained how some elect were cut off and now the gentiles were grafted into the olive..God still remembers His covenant with Abraham and dat is why You nd i can be called Christians even though we aren't jews. If you say Abrahamic covenant was done away with and the Bible says we are Abraham's seed by faith, how den can believers in Christ be seeds of something dat is done away with? U see its bad theology

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob

Why is it so hard for you to grasp,that what was given to Abraham was a Promise(please google the word promise)
God never full fill the covenant with Abraham but with Christthe covenant was actually make affective through by Christ and not in Abrahams time.
The word spoken to Abraham always points at the Seed ,that it was through this Seed that the covenant will be made affective.
The question now is who's this Seed?
The Seed is not Isaac Jacob or we but Christ and Him alone.
The convent was establish by God through Christ and not Abraham.

salvation101:
thats not true... God covenant with Abraham extends beyond the nation of Israel. Besides Israel was not the only seed of isaac nd isaac wasnt the only seed of Abraham... The mosaic law is for the nation of Israel alone... Well if u don't believe, u should study ur Bible more.. God covenant with Abraham is an everlasting covenant

And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Genesis 17:6‭-‬9 KJV

My dear,Gods covenant with Abraham was merely Promises.
Like Adam,Abraham was also a shadow of who is to come.
Let's look at some verses in Galatains.
Galatains3:16The "PROMISE"were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. 17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the PROMISE. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the PROMISE;but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a PROMISE.
Gods covenant with Abraham was mainly "PROMISES"because it concerned the future.Which is Grace through Christ.what is not yet accomplished can only be a Promise.The nature of God word to Abraham was indeed grace, but because it had not been manifested then.it was still a promise.This promise was given to Abraham and to his seed. Paul says, "He does not say, `And to the seeds,' as concerning many(THAT IS,IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISAAC,JACOB,MOSES,and WE,but "CHRIST"but as concerning one: `And to your seed,' who is "Christ"The seed is singular, not plural; it is one, Christ.God promised Abraham that he would bring forth Christ and that through Christ the nations would be blessed.Gal3:14 says, "In order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the "PROMISE"of the Spirit through faith." This is the covenant God made with Abraham.
Sis,do you pray in the name of Noah,Abraham,Isaac,Jacob or Moses?
If not why are you grasping on the past that has been done away with by the Cross?

salvation101:
Their are more than 5 covenants in the Bible.. Like 4 in d old testament, don't mistake the law(mosiac covenant) is just one, tithing predates the law..
There is the
Adamic covenant
Noahic covenant
Abrahamic covenant
Mosaic (wch is strictly for the jews)
Davidic covenant

Tithing started from Abraham as recorded in d bible.. Or r u saying Jesus death also canceled Gods covenant with Noah wch he sealed with a rainbow

The bible has two major covenant.
The testament and the New Testament
Christ has fulfilled the Old Testament.
Yes tithe was before the law,before Moses instituted it as part of the law.
Wether it predates Adam it has been drafted as part of the law.

salvation101:
wat do u mean by Christ supporting before the crosss? Christ's teaching is d basis for Christianity isn't it?

Yes it is.
Remember He came in dispensation of the law.(that's when He came he was also subjected to the law,which He fulfilled with the cross)
The law has been fully fulfilled by Christ.
We are no longer under the law.ARE WE EVEN AT ANYTIME UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES?NOOO!
We aren't Jews.
We don't even have to PAY ANYTHING at first.
We are called to GIVE and not PAY.
People think that God gave the Israelis the LAW to keep/uphold in the Begining .but that notation is very Wrong.He gave them the LAW knowing fully well they we break it and by so doing accept a better offer which is Grace in Christ.
If the Jews had kept the Law there wouldn't be need for the Cross.
By breaking it,they( and us) can now accept and appreciate the works of the Cross.

OLAADEGBU:
Then don't shout down those giving the Word, you are also free to back up with prayers.

salvation101:
Its the last days and the recent attacks on the church and its leadership doesn't come as a surprise. The Bible says in the last days men would not be able to endure sound doctrines but shall heap to themselves teachers cos of their itching ears. It simply means that people will listen to teachers who teach subjects that appeals to their bias or sentiments... How else can u explain someone(who previously has only been popular for wrong controversial reasons) overnight just start a movement and now ppl takes all he says seriously if not simply for d fact dat wat he says appeals to their bias..

To say Jesus didn't say anything in support of tithing is totally false.. Here is Jesus statement in matt23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matthew 23:23 KJV

Incase you didn't understand that last sentence, here is another version..

“It will be bad for you teachers of the law and you Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You give God a tenth of the food you get, even your mint, dill, and cumin. But you don’t obey the really important teachings of the law—being fair, showing mercy, and being faithful. These are the things you should do. And you should also continue to do those other things.
Matthew 23:23 ERV
Now to say Jesus abolished tithing and offering is totally wrong..

Yes Christ supported tithing before the Cross.
As far as it's tithe of mints and cummin.(which are crops)
Not minding that in Abrahams time there was monetary system.
have u ask urself why fishermen,Capenter etc weren't told to tithe?
My dear,tithe has nothing to do with our monetary system now that's a "FACT"

christemmbassey:
the most annoying of them all is the shameless response of daddies GOs.
someone has itemised why he believes tithes collection is a scam,instead of you responding item by item with relevant scriptures to backup ur stand you start. dancing around and turned church service to standup Nigeria (comedy show) .
I Am comforted, BC what is happening in the church today shows that God has answered our prayers, for the first time in history of the church in Nigeria, the major tithes collectors have been forced to defend their fraudulent practice of forcing innocent believers to part with their hard earned money at the end of each month.

What do you want them to say?
Most are ignorant of the fraudulent tithe scheme.
Believe me my bro, they don't even know it's wrong.Grace are in sizes.
I believe we are highly blessed to "know"
The scam in tithing.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you mean prayers and preaching without the use of the Word?

Bros,bros,Bros...
Haba they need all,the word,praying n preaching same thing since it's same Spirit.

Ken4Christ:
If you are genuinely born again, paying tithe should be a thing of joy as it contributes to the success of the ministry.

Is the success of the ministry in our hands or Gods hands?
Is it even our ministry or His?
you guys should be objective and let go.

christemmbassey:
OMG! I thought I have heard all the twists that these guys had to support this fraud.
SMH, these guys are beyond redemption.

lol hi bro
Don't mind them,
A tree without roots can't stand.
Just little breeze from Freeze they are all scared.

Candour:
giant ke? abeg o

Yes oo, you,Dboy and G360 are gaints here oo.
How are you doing my brother?

Fine bro
Presumed u n ur family are good

Candour:
and like the crafty pulpit crook that you're, you forgot that this same episode was touched on in Hebrews chapter 7

4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils

Spoils of what did Abraham give Melchizedek a tenth of?

Lol
Good,hearing from some resting gaints lately.

Goshen360:
Thanks brother.....you are one of those I should have met whenever I visit the motherland but I guess I should when I come home next.

Back to your quest.

Our brothers and sisters don't understand what offerings means....they "think" it's what the churches call it today as in giving money or donations during worship.... NO, IT IS NOT.....offering is what is meant in OLD TESTAMENT.....burnt offerings etc.....so Hebrews 10 vs 8 says,

First, Christ said, "You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them" (though they are required by the law of Moses).

So, when He was talking about offerings in Malachi....tithe and OFFERINGS.....he's not introducting anything NEW, he's talking about what he already commanded ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES.

True bro
Most don't know the difference between the Old and the New,Between Grace and Law(what has been accomplish and how to stand on the ground of Victory).why? They don't study the word objectively.
And some MOGs ant helping issues.
Just pm me when u are about to come.
Dboy has my contacts though we haven't met.

OLAADEGBU:
I hope so, but I can see many wannabe frosbels treading on the same slippery slopes.

True
They need our prayers mainly not bashing.

OLAADEGBU:
It will be difficult to know exactly when especially when backsliding begins in the heart, but I had warned him when he started standing on slippery slopes.

Bro we should keep in mind the parable of the "Prodigal Son"
Expect he's not His son intiaily,the Comforter will definitely convict and bring him back home.

Goshen360:
And who told you OFFERINGS in the new testament? Do you know what offerings mean? Show us scriptures where offerings is in the new testament.

Hi bro,
Maybe you have to break it down for the viewer mainly the meaning of offering,and what Christains are surprise to "give in thanks giving"

The OP don't know the difference between Enternal Life and the Kingdom of God.
The difference between Gift and Reward.
The difference between Grace and Works.
So OP
Pls try and study the bible with an objective spirit and stop swallowing everything you hear in your church.apart from what you have studied with your spirit.