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Sports › Re: NNFF Awards, Committee. by Icon4s(op): 5:49pm On Nov 22, 2018
Joebie:
Another suggestion. Instead of Okocha and Enyeama why not limit the honor to players that are no more. Say Okwaraji and Agbonavbare respectfully?
A vital point, the entire Committee will have to conclude on that
Sports › Re: NNFF Awards, Committee. by Icon4s(op): 5:44pm On Nov 22, 2018
Icon4s:
quote author=TheSuperNerd post=73197779] I am with Joebie on waiting for Chriskels to break the tie as he is also part of the Committee. I trust he will show up whenever he can and soon before the year runs out.


Meanwhile, I suggest a few more categories like:


- Super Eagles Top scorer of the year (That should be distinct from Best Attacker/Best Forward award because in best attacker we look at an attacker's showing across the entire year and not just in a game or two. And sometimes, such player may not be top scorer. We need to recognise the top scorer too because it is not easy putting the ball in the back of the net).


- Super Eagles Top Assists leader of the year (We must recognise the player or players involved the most in laying/putting the ball on a platter for others to score).


- Super Falcons Goal of the year (We cannot restrict this award to the men alone. The ladies do score worldies too. They score goals or don't they?)

- Super Eagles most improved player of 2018 (This is to reward quantum leaps in improvements of certain talents in the team over the course of the year).


- Now the young player of the year is for players 21yrs and under... But what of the Super Eagles best new entrant of the year? Just saying. (modified: I can see that you added it in Number 3... Well done!).

Okay, so these are the few additions I think should be considered too. If I remember any other relevant catergory, I will try bring it up on time. Shalom... wink
1. Having separate awards for best Attacker and highest goals scorer or highest assists will only introduce ambiguity. Remember we are only naming nominees for the house to vote their choices. Now, Ighalo is the highest goal scorer we do not need the house to vote to decide that. But was Ighalo the best Attacker for the year. This is where players with highest assists and goals scoring threats come in and of course number of goals scored is a vital point. We present the 3 nominees for one category which I suggest is "Best Attacking player" and let the house vote their choices.

2. On Super Falcons goal of the year, you have a point but I don't think that may be necessary. Even FIFA has only one goal of the year award which they select from Male football.

3. Super Eagles most improved player. Yes, I actually errornously omitted it. It should be part of it.
Sports › Re: NNFF Awards, Committee. by Icon4s(op): 5:33pm On Nov 22, 2018
Icon4s:
quote author=komekn post=73198119]

I would like two other awards.

1. Most unrecognised but highest potential top player (home based)

2. Most unrecognised but highest top quality potential (Foreign based)

There is great satisfaction to bring to the limelight top quality players who have never been noticed.

I truly believe that there must be gems in the local league with great potential. But considering our cultural dynamics across all sectors. Godfatherism, inducement, tribalism, etc we never get to hear of them.

BascoVanVeli I'm sure will attest to this.

For (1) There is already an award for best home based player. "Unrecognized but highest potential" this will definitely be highly controversial and too open ended.
For (2) There is a Super Eagles player award already and just like in (1) the "unrecognized and top quality" tag is too open ended and highly controversial.
For (1) There is already an award for best home based player. "Unrecognized but highest potential" this will definitely be highly controversial and too open ended.
For (2) There is a Super Eagles player award already and just like in (1) the "unrecognized and top quality" tag is too open ended and highly controversial.
Sports › Re: NNFF Awards, Committee. by Icon4s(op): 11:00am On Nov 22, 2018
quote author=TheSuperNerd post=73197779] I am with Joebie on waiting for Chriskels to break the tie as he is also part of the Committee. I trust he will show up whenever he can and soon before the year runs out.


Meanwhile, I suggest a few more categories like:


- Super Eagles Top scorer of the year (That should be distinct from Best Attacker/Best Forward award because in best attacker we look at an attacker's showing across the entire year and not just in a game or two. And sometimes, such player may not be top scorer. We need to recognise the top scorer too because it is not easy putting the ball in the back of the net).


- Super Eagles Top Assists leader of the year (We must recognise the player or players involved the most in laying/putting the ball on a platter for others to score).


- Super Falcons Goal of the year (We cannot restrict this award to the men alone. The ladies do score worldies too. They score goals or don't they?)

- Super Eagles most improved player of 2018 (This is to reward quantum leaps in improvements of certain talents in the team over the course of the year).


- Now the young player of the year is for players 21yrs and under... But what of the Super Eagles best new entrant of the year? Just saying. (modified: I can see that you added it in Number 3... Well done!).

Okay, so these are the few additions I think should be considered too. If I remember any other relevant catergory, I will try bring it up on time. Shalom... wink[/quote]
Sports › Re: NNFF Awards, Committee. by Icon4s(op):
quote author=komekn post=73198119]

I would like two other awards.

1. Most unrecognised but highest potential top player (home based)

2. Most unrecognised but highest top quality potential (Foreign based)

There is great satisfaction to bring to the limelight top quality players who have never been noticed.

I truly believe that there must be gems in the local league with great potential. But considering our cultural dynamics across all sectors. Godfatherism, inducement, tribalism, etc we never get to hear of them.

BascoVanVeli I'm sure will attest to this.[/quote]For (1) There is already an award for best home based player. "Unrecognized but highest potential" this will definitely be highly controversial and too open ended.
For (2) There is a Super Eagles player award already and just like in (1) the "unrecognized and top quality" tag is too open ended and highly controversial.
Sports › Re: NNFF Awards, Committee. by Icon4s(op): 10:54am On Nov 22, 2018
Next, the list of award Categories. So as not to prolong matters, I have here a list of categories. Members of committee can also add theirs. But we should try not to make the list too long so as not to make voting difficult or combasome for people. Adjustments can also be made on the list below:

1. Nigerian Player of the Year
2. Nigerian Home based player of the Year
3. Most impactful New Inclusion (2018)
4. Best Goalkeeper (Vincent Enyeama award)
5. Best Defender (Stephen Keshi award)
6. Best Midfielder (Jay-jay Okocha award)
7. Best Attacker (Rashidi Yekini award)
8. Young player of the year (for players 21yrs and less)
9. Super Falcons player of the year
10. Super Eagles Goal of the year.

cc: Tbaba1234, Forgiveness, Komekn, TheSuperNerd, ChrisKels and Joebie
Sports › NNFF Awards, Committee. by Icon4s(op):
Committee members are welcome to the Nairaland Nigerian Footballers Award, 2018, Committee thread.

The clear vision and responsibilities are as spelt out by the house in the Super Eagles thread.

Forgiveness, TheSuperNerd, ChrisKels, Joebie, Komekn, Tbaba1234 let's me here please.

COMMENTS HERE ARE STRICTLY FOR COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

Honorable modes: Mind4lyfe and Honeric01 please help us in deleting any comments from any moniker that doesn't belong to the committee. We don't need Intruders and distractors. Thank you Sirs.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:42am On Nov 22, 2018
ChrisKels:
Oh bro, sorry for the late response. Let's get a new thread for it if we can't do it here. D watsap is a no no for me bkus my watsap number is my mainline which I aint ready to give out. Thanks for ur understanding.
Good we make head way then. We go create another thread for the selection process.

cc: Tbaba1234, TheSuperNerd, Joebie, Komekn and Forgiveness.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:26am On Nov 22, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
I am with Joebie on waiting for Chriskels to break the tie as he is also part of the Committee. I trust he will show up whenever he can and soon before the year runs out.


Meanwhile, I suggest a few more categories like:


- Super Eagles Top scorer of the year (That should be distinct from Best Attacker/Best Forward award because in best attacker we look at an attacker's showing across the entire year and not just in a game or two. And sometimes, such player may not be top scorer. We need to recognise the top scorer too because it is not easy putting the ball in the back of the net).


- Super Eagles Top Assists leader of the year (We must recognise the player or players involved the most in laying/putting the ball on a platter for others to score).


- Super Falcons Goal of the year (We cannot restrict this award to the men alone. The ladies do score worldies too. They score goals or don't they?)

- Super Eagles most improved player of 2018 (This is to reward quantum leaps in improvements of certain talents in the team over the course of the year).


- Now the young player of the year is for players 21yrs and under... But what of the Super Eagles best new entrant of the year? Just saying. (modified: I can see that you added it in Number 3... Well done!).

Okay, so these are the few additions I think should be considered too. If I remember any other relevant catergory, I will try bring it up on time. Shalom... wink
Ok, for us to ensure a full democratic proccess on that particular issue let's wait for ChrisKels. But I have also noticed he hasn't showed up here for a couple of days now. Let's wait see for the next couple of days.

For the award categories I suggest we also wait until ChrisKels shows up for us to continue deliberations on that.

modified: ChrisKels just showed up!
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:43am On Nov 22, 2018
komekn:
Agreed

What will be the points criteria.

There have to be some sort of assessment framework loose or rigid.
But have u agreed with my list of awards categories? Let's settle that first then we roll out selection criteria.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:04am On Nov 22, 2018
[quote author=Taliban post=73192815][/quote]Forgiveness, Komekn and I prefer it here. Joebie and TheSuperNerd prefer a separate thread. Tbaba's landing is to go with whatever we generally decide. It was at that point 3 against 2 and so we go with having it here. We have to make progress on that as we have spent 2 days already taking that decision.

Nothing wrong having it here so peeps can see the selection process and so not to cry fowl when the list of nominees is it.

But remember no contributions from none committee members. It is that easy.

Besides, creating another thread will give room for Intruders, who do not know what this is all about, to evade the thread and possibly cause distractions. But we here know the rules alreeady and will more easily abide by it.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m):
tbaba1234:
A separate thread might be best but i am in support of what others in the group decide.
Ok. Thanks.

The generality have agreed we discuss here.

Next, the list of award Categories. So as not to prolong matters, I have here a list of categories. Members of committee can also add theirs. But we should try not to make the list too long so as not to make voting difficult or combasome for people. Adjustments can also be made on the list below:

1. Nigerian Player of the Year
2. Nigerian Home based player of the Year
3. Most impactful New Inclusion (2018)
4. Best Goalkeeper (Vincent Enyeama award)
5. Best Defender (Stephen Keshi award)
6. Best Midfielder (Jay-jay Okocha award)
7. Best Attacker (Rashidi Yekini award)
8. Young player of the year (for players 21yrs and less)
9. Super Falcons player of the year
10. Super Eagles Goal of the year.

cc: Tbaba1234, Forgiveness, Komekn, TheSuperNerd, ChrisKels and Joebie.

Committee members who make any contributions should copy all other members.

NOTE: HOUSE, THIS IS A DISCUSSION STRICTLY FOR THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AS LISTED ABOVE. THANKS FOR UNDERSTANDING.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:36am On Nov 22, 2018
tbaba1234:
Who is the fastest at their prime?

Ahmed Musa
Tijiani Babangida
Pius Ikedia
Ibrahim Babangida
Haruna Babangida
Finidi George

(Ibrahim and Haruna played mainly for the youth teams)
Not forgetting also Emma Amuneke, Friday Elaho and Felix Aladesanmi.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:31pm On Nov 21, 2018
Icon4s:
Nairaland Nigerian players awards, 2018.

Good evening house, now that we have seen all the matches for this year it is time to roll out nominees for various award categories.

Once again here are the elected nomination committee members: Tbaba1234, Icon4s, Forgiveness, Komekn, TheSuperNerd, Chriskels and Joebie.

Please house note that the discussions on the selection process would be strictly amongst these 7 monikers.

First off Committee members, do we discuss on this thread or create a separate thread for the selection process?
Let's get this sorted out first then we commence the players selection process.

Committee members we need your quick responses.

Cc: Semid4lyfe, honeric01.
ChrisKels, Tbaba1234 and Komekn we await your responses on this.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:27pm On Nov 21, 2018
mank1234:
Cameroon is best team so far and would be worthy winners
Our Falcons can beat them, forget.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:20pm On Nov 21, 2018
Zambia thought they had arrived. Lol
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:42pm On Nov 20, 2018
Nairaland Nigerian players awards, 2018.

Good evening house, now that we have seen all the matches for this year it is time to roll out nominees for various award categories.

Once again here are the elected nomination committee members: Tbaba1234, Icon4s, Forgiveness, Komekn, TheSuperNerd, Chriskels and Joebie.

Please house note that the discussions on the selection process would be strictly amongst these 7 monikers.

First off Committee members, do we discuss on this thread or create a separate thread for the selection process?
Let's get this sorted out first then we commence the players selection process.

Committee members we need your quick responses.

Cc: Semid4lyfe, honeric01.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:18pm On Nov 20, 2018
Chukwueze representing.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:46pm On Nov 20, 2018
This Camera positioning is nonsense. Mtcheew
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:48am On Nov 20, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
Rohr: Akpeyi, Afelokhai to share Super Eagles goalkeeping duties against Uganda


Gernot Rohr has revealed that goalkeepers Daniel Akpeyi and Theophilus Afelokhai will share the goalkeeping duties against Uganda today in Asaba.

South Africa-based Akpeyi will start in goal this afternoon, before Enyimba shot stopper Afelokhai takes over for the second half.

It will therefore be a litmus test for the two goalkeepers as they aim to stake their claim in the Super Eagles squad.

It is a chance for the goalkeepers to justify their call-ups and possibly challenge for the No 1 shirt currently held by Francis Uzoho with Ikechukwu Ezenwa as deputy.

Interestingly, Akpeyi and Afelokhai were the two goalkeepers in 2015 against the Bafana Bafana of South Africa with Akpeyi manning the post.

Rohr also said Villarreal youngster Samuel Chukwueze will make his debut and Victor Osimhen will also feature after his recent goals for Belgian club Sporting Charleroi.



**By Kola Daniel in Asaba


Source: ScoreNigeria
Let Afelokhai take it. Akpeyi has had his chance in times past.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m):
komekn:
Firstly, you should have noticed I haven't said one word to TheSuperNerd. In that context there is nothing to lay down.

Secondly, abusive, vitriolic caustic rhetoric are totally alien to my diction. Nothing to lay down there.

I don't see passion

I see misguided blatant bigotry and prejudice.

Everything said so far has been one way traffic of abuse and hatred.

Lots of presumption lots of assumption,never ending allegations, but not one word of substantiation.

This whole brouhaha started because I asked a question ❓ What makes Chukwueze HUGE TALENT WONDERFUL, OUTSTANDING, etc, that's essentially all. A question that should have instituted a healthy informative discussion.

Don't you think you should direct your query to the instigator in chief if you are to fair and balanced.

For goodness sake why would anybody get so heated on a faceless forum.
Tackling ur second point first: you know there are several times u have thrown provocative words at me, right?
But then the difference is the way and manner each person responds.

I do not know you in person, but I have promised that I will one day arrange a meeting with you on any of my visits if it is convenient.

This foreign born agenda, there was a way u were presenting it when u first came to this thread and we all were happy to have someone out there who knows some of these foreign born players in and out.

People were always elated to see the name of any young Foreign Nigerian doing it well in England. But somehow along the line things changed and u should expect to see resistance. The only time you and I have been on different sides of an argument is this foreign vs local born issue. Infact same goes for every other person.

Komekn, we appreciate ur contributions here but maybe u need to change ur tactics. I sincerely appologize on the insult u received. We have to move on and please don't be discouraged. We need more info on our English sons.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:17am On Nov 20, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
Don't mind that one... I Sabi am naa. No be today... So insignificant.

The only way Komekn garners pity is by his show of absolutely fake gentlemanliness. What is gentlemanly in a man who constantly lies, who constantly attacks the home-grown section of Nigerian talents while always praising the other foreign-born section, a man who constantly take sweet joy in twisting facts and ignoring bonafiet facts when it comes to Indigenous born Naija talents discussions??

If Jesus Christ could use the term "brood of Vipers" on the Pharisees and scribes in perfect description of their foolery and John the Baptist did not hold back when describing the idiocy of the religious fellas of that time who also never resorted to insults so as to appear in the right... Then I can only follow their path in doing same thing and doing it with pure gusto because it is just saying it as it is. I choose my words as it is not everyone I take this path with... That should tell you something.
I know the stand and agenda of everyone on this thread... I don't forget how anyone (apart from those elders I met on the previous thread) enters. It is just a natural thing that sticks and it serves me well in discussions with anyone coz I can always tell where one is coming from or heading to.
And I am 100% certain that Komekn is only a voice out to silent the rise of our indigenous born Talents. His agenda is purely destructive of whatever good we have coming from the local front of our football.



Did using "brood of Vipers" on the Pharisees make Jesus the bad guy all because the Pharisees did not speak back? Hahahahahahahahaha.... I laugh at the foolishness of some here. Deceived by the snake-like fake gentleman strategy of that master clown called Komekn.

Listen Ehn... This thread and this house was always a place of much more intelligent discussions and rational analyses until Komekn walked in here and brought with him his deliberately silly ways of ignoring facts and twisting them just to talk down on the Indigenous born Naija talents. But as long as I am still gonna be visiting this thread, I repeat... I will shoot down any false comment of his and fight it with facts and with a perfect description of his traits at any given time when I see the need for it... I have ignored many of his silly comments on our Indigenous talents many times... But on Chukwueze, he really crossed the line.


That man is a venom of hate towards the Indigenous born lads. If you cannot see that truth, because of the sake of maintaining some fake peace here, then maybe I am indeed alone in seeing that coward clown for who he truly is.

Gentleman my ass!!! Hahahahaha.... Such a low life monotonous thinker who lies and twists facts for fun here? Like seriously? Only kids or maybe kidults will be fooled by his antics....
Ok, I hear u but let's call it quits with that particular argument and move on.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:58pm On Nov 19, 2018
safarigirl:
LOL.


Y'all have started with your Real Househusbands of Nairaland reality show again abi?

No need to even go through the pages, I don sabi who dey where already grin grin grin

Anyway, I got an unusual amount of mentions from this thread today and came to see what is going on..... Glad to see the camaraderie is growing strong in my absence

Y'all keep up with the bonding exercise. Can't wait for AFCON 2019 to come and go, so that this toxic thread can finally close and all the toxic elements flushed away. Truly, too many cooks spoil the broth.


Have fun though grin grin
So what are you feeling like now? Lol.

I go just call curtisaxel for u now.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:48pm On Nov 19, 2018
krattoss:
One thing I like about komekn is that he doesn't resort to insults even when insults is shoved to his face. That's a sign of a grown as$ matured dude.
It's no rocket science differentiating between a loosed up kid and its variant.
Oga speak only for yourself please and don't start up another fire.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:13pm On Nov 19, 2018
Good evening house, the noise emanating from the quarrels in this house has become deafening.

I was on another section of nairaland and I heard people shouting at each other. I could even feel the vibrations from where I was. Davep came to call me that the House is on fire and that he too took part in the burning. Lolz.

TheSuperned, Komekn and the rest of the combatants please lay down your weapons, we have had enough for the day. Let all nerves calm down please.

All I could see is passion for the father land, yes. But let's respect ourselves. The arguments are already going over the roof. Please gentle men.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:50pm On Nov 19, 2018
Hanibal:
I'm beginning to believe this komekn is a spambot. The consistency of the illogical anti local talent comments beats what a human can sustain... I mean [s]not even an idiotic human can do these things [/s]
Komekn be like...

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:41pm On Nov 19, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
I am aware of the potentials of the 2000s as I spoke briefly about that period in my reply to DaveP but we failed to even qualify for the 2006 WC with those guys. We failed and kept on failing. They were exciting but not close to being Golden.... That was just a phase we were managing until we finally hit the bulls' eye in 2013.

The team of 2013 beat CIV's golden generation and now the rise and continued maturity of all the talents we are witnessing today points to something more beautiful than the 2000s if only managed well enough.

How is a team's greatness measured? By the stardust quality present or by its achievements? The class of 2013 were looking less in quality compared to the earlier 2000s squads but they gave us a third Afcon silencing CIV's dreaded Golden Generation along the way.


Finally, what you saw with the class of 93 eventually gave us an Olympic Gold medal beating World Champs Brazil with Best player Ronaldo de Lima and beating Argentina...

That class produced something and could have even gone on to conquer Africa in 1996.



Now if you same thing with the class of 2013 and beyond then it means something good is indeed coming. The 93 class contributed to the first Golden Generation too...
How come you don't regard the team that won the 2013 AFCON as a Golden Generation?
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:27pm On Nov 19, 2018
AllforJesus7:
Atrocious in what sense?
Playing at an unfamiliar altitude on a hot afternoon missing some of our regular legs or having 2 legitimate goals disallowed?

Need I remind you the stats?

Nigeria had 5 shots (2 on target), South Africa had 2 shots (1 on target).


If for anything, I respect Rohr the more for sticking to that ugly football to get results as we could not afford to slip.
South Africa in the latter parts had nothing on us. They could not venture past the wall. They had to result to long balls. They could neither run at us nor find spaces. For us a draw is as good as a win. If Siasia was this conservative in 2012 we would not have been knocked out of that year's AFCON.
Plus 2 legitimate disallowed goals
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:24pm On Nov 19, 2018
wayodude:
My friend since you admit you were a youngster then let me tell you now, Westerhof was rattled left and right EVEN in 1993. That was when we lost to ivory coast away after taking the lead. In 1993 in terms of selection people were still accusing him of not picking Wilfred Agbonivare in goal to replace Alloy Agu, which he eventually did.
They picked on him to include Richard Owubokiri as one of the strikers but he wouldn't budge and stuck to Yekini, Siasia and Amokachi!
The list of accusations against him was endless.

In terms of game management, they said his team's only played well in the first half and 'fell asleep' in the second half. Westerhof once responded saying 'thats not true, there are no beds on the pitch'

In almost every game under him we played better in the first half scoring most of our goals and were under the cosh in the second half. When we qualified for our first world cup, the final game away to Algeria which we needed a draw to qualify, we scored first in the first half (Finidi) and in the second half when Algeria came at us and scored and then camped in our half looking for a winner to eliminate us I couldn't breathe! That was under the much respected today Westerhof who then was treated like Rohr is now!

Trust me or ask your brothers.

And by the way we didn't always dominante possession even in that 94 AFCON against Egypt in the group stage and Zaire in the quarter final we had less possession.
In addition in the Final of the 1994 AFCON. We came back from a goal down to lead Zambia 2-1 with the second goal coming just after the commencement of the second half. But the team went to sleep again and were virtually pegged to our half for the remainder of the game. There were so many aged players in that team

The 98 Class had younger players and with more attacking flair. We qualified from our group that had Spain and Bulgaria with a game to spare. We were already threatening Brazil as a potential Q/Final opponent and they too were getting ready for the challenge as Atlanta 96 was still fresh In their minds. Some pundits were already tipping us for the semi-final. What ever happened against Denmark.....mtcheew undecided
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m):
TheSuperNerd:
Lol... As in eh... Who would have even thought that 2013 class would conquer the Continent except a few? Such is the way of football sometimes. But in the end they will forever be rated and remembered far and above the class of the 2000s.


I have gone back to read your additional comments and I have noted all points added.... I also made some additions myself and I just wanna drop the last part here for you...


"Finally, what you saw with the class of 93 eventually gave us an Olympic Gold medal beating World Champs Brazil with Best player Ronaldo de Lima and beating Argentina...
That class produced something and could have even gone on to conquer Africa in 1996 if not for political nonsense between Nigeria and SA.
Now if you saw same thing with the class of 2013 and beyond then it means something great and Beautiful is indeed coming for Nigerian football. The '93 class contributed to the first Golden Generation too... And gave us world recognition even. So if what you saw in '93 can be spotted also in the 2013 and 2015 classes then I repeat... The dawn is near." wink
I said what ever u saw in the 2013 Eaglets I saw that too in the 1993 Class. There could also be other things the 1993 had that the 2013 Eaglets never had. That 1993 Eaglets Class was supposed to be the dawn of New Golden Era. But that never happened which was why I said I have been expecting that ''New Dawn" since 1998 cos France 98 could have been the beginning of a New Golden Generation. None of the 1993 Eaglets team was part of the 1994 WC including the build ups to it. Babayaro taking over from Iroha, Mubi taking over from Eguavoen, and Kanu, Oruma and Ojigwe also progressing to the Super Eagles was supposed to be the transition to usher in the New era as even Oliseh, Okocha, Amuneke, Taribo, Babangida, Ikpeba and Amokachi were still young then. But we kept on trying to rebuild for '' Tomorrow''. We keep trying and trying and 20 years has gone and we are still trying to rebuild.

I sincerely hope this crop of Eagles will emerge as another Golden Generation but I am yet to see the indications cos I have seen better assemblage of SE even after the First Golden Generation.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:33pm On Nov 19, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
I am aware of the potentials of the 2000s as I spoke briefly about that period in my reply to DaveP but we failed to even qualify for the 2006 WC with those guys. We failed and kept on failing. They were exciting but not close to being Golden.... That was just a phase we were managing until we finally hit the bulls' eye in 2013.


The team of 2013 beat CIV's golden generation and now the rise and continued maturity of all the talents we are witnessing today points to something more beautiful than the 2000s if only managed well enough.
Let me be frank with you. I never saw a future in that 2013 AFCON Team. The team just hit gear when it was required and we won the AFCON. What happened immediately after the WC? We lost to Congo 2-3 in Uyo and finally could not make it to defend the next AFCON. Please go back to that comment u quoted this comment from. I made some additions. Thanks.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:26pm On Nov 19, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
Since 1998?? Haba naa... The golden generation was still around then but fell into dark hours that we remained in till we saw a bit of the light again in 2013 under the late legendary Keshi (bless his soul).

Besides in 1998 I had not even began following the Beautiful game. I began my football journey in 1999 just before my 7th birthday. My senior bro drew me in when I saw loads of football information in the sports archives section of his mini library. What I saw on Nigerian football history got me started. It wowed me and my journey began...


For me the coming of a new dawn and rise of a potential 2nd Golden Generation became strong in me from 2013 after our Afcon triumph coupled with the success of the Golden Eaglets Class of 2013 that saw a bonafide young squad of gifted Nigerians storm their way to the world title in the most dominant fashion, style and performances you would see from an U-17 team in FIFA history.


So I say again Dad, The dawn is near. The stars are beginning to align and fall in some pleasant places but we are still a few moments off that bright dawn... What I see now is just sprinkles of dim light in the distance but bright, it is not... It is not eureka yet. Give it a bit more time... wink




On the comparison between thy Legendary Conservatism and the truly legendary and natural conservatism of Gernot Rohr.... I can only say that time will tell whose conservatism surpasses the other and leave its marks in the sands of time. You get your own... But Rohr get him own. You say some call Rohr, a white version of you? Chineke! That is really sad ooo... because they also call him White Onigbinde....Bia Dad, are you saying that you, Rohr and Onigbinde are interconnected in a conservatism triangle?? Abeg who specifically label Rohr as White Icon4s? Nna eh... Na wa...

Well... My hands no dey on thy conservatism matter again because I don accept am but on Rohr, I am truly concerned because he sits in the position that directly determines how the direction of this new rising generation will go. It is majorly in his hands that this generation can become Golden or not... And I pray he lives up to expectations or even surpasses them and use his conservatism wisely for the best of the team. Yes, Rohr is conservative and I want him to be much more dynamic but I must remind us all that his stubborn resilience and conservatism have transformed Ighalo into a feared No 9 all of a sudden after the WC debacle amd the top ranking marksman in the Entire Afcon Qualifiers... No one will cry foul on seeing Ighalo on the team sheet again because the man is in great form now and has become a lethal weapon for the Super Eagles as our undisputed top 9. It is in times like this, we must take a step back and soft-pedal a bit on the knocks on Rohr's conservatism bcoz without it... There would be no In-form Ighalo today.


But in all, the dawn is near... But not yet come in full...

So just....
Do you know that in the mid 2000s we had the best assemblage of players in Africa. That was a Golden Generation that won nothing, Just like Drogba's generation.

Look at our 2006 AFCON Squad:!

Vincent Enyeama
Joseph Yobo
Taye Taiwo
Nwankwo Kanu
Chidi Odiah
Joseph Enakarhire
John Utaka
John Obi Mikel
Obafemi Martins
Jay-Jay Okocha
Garba Lawal
Austin Ejide
Ayila Yussuf
Victor Obinna Nsofor
Paul Obiefule
Wilson Oruma
Julius Aghahowa
Christian Obodo
Stephen Makinwa
Peter Odemwingie
Obinna Nwaneri
Sani Kaita
Dele Aiyenugba
All these Players above (except Mikel, Taiwo and Nsofor who were just coming up and just graduated to the Super Eagles) were at the prime of their careers. They were mostly regulars in their respective clubs in Europe and I need not roll out the intimidating list of clubs.
I don't think up any 2 of the current squad can make the starting 11 of that team.

My point is if it is the emergence of talented or quality players we have always had them. That 2000s set never really had quality coaches which was responsible for the inconsistencies in their performance, even missing out on the 2006 WC. There is nothing you saw with the 2013 Eaglets that I didn't see with the 1993 Eaglets.

Haha, make u no grow old while waiting for that 2nd Golden Generation o.

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