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Talking about Victor Moses being a legend of the Nigerian game. This is subjective, depending on who you want to classify as a legend.

Let me role out my list of Nigerian legends and lets see if Victor Moses belongs to that Class.

Teslim "Thunder" Balogun
Christian Chukwu
Segun Odegbami
Adokiye Amiesimaka
Stephen Keshi
Rashidi Yekini
Emmanuel Amuneke
Austin Okocha
Finidi George
Daniel Amokachi (arguably)
Victor Ikpeba
Kanu Nwankwo
Sunday Oliseh
Peter Rufai
Vincent Enyeama

Does Victor Moses belong to that Class? I don't think so.

Well, I feel Victor Moses has retired too early.

He still has a lot to offer the team. He will be greatly missed because we lack quality wingers in the team

But we must respect his decision and move on. Time for younger wingers to take to stage.

elyte89:
Enough of playing players outside dier natural positions, rohr and his crew av d time now to scout for a proper left/right full backs, shehu and co can switch back to deir natural positions. Ebuehi/aina shld jostle for d rb,while d coaches look for a new left back to battle with idowu.......or ECHIE.....SOME PPU NI WAN HEAR DT NAME AGAIN

Switching positions of players is part of the national teams set-up.

Modern day players typically fit into 2 or 3 roles almost perfectly well.

It is not a problem bro.

BascoVanVeli:
Abeg reason me, what do we have now? idowu has not played this season and Aina will have to face the right back position now that Ebuehi is injured. So technically what we have is Echiejile.

Idowu has not played this season, how many weeks are we into the season? So Rohr should not invite him? So Rohr should drop Idowu and replace him with Madu or Akas? Na so dem dey drop players?

Aina is available for both LB and RB.

Shehu is at RB. Omeruo also plays RB.

So please we don't need likes of Akas and Madu. They will not add any value.

BascoVanVeli:
Nobody saying to invite anybody but it wouldn't be a ridiculous request TBH. How many active Nigerian fullbacks do u know about in Europe?

It wouldn't be a ridiculous request. But the truth is they cannot add any value to what we have now.

BascoVanVeli:
You said WE had seen them already, that;s why I asked because I know those 2 guys were at some point tipped to be our next LB. Sadly Madu has not been able to kick on from where he left off at Trencin but to call him piss poor is extremely harsh.

Akas recently helped them qualify for CHAN before going to Sweden where he is a starter. You say u have not been impressed but u have no tangible reason why.

Yes they were tipped to be our next LBs but their development stalled. Sorry, they are not good enough for now.

tbaba1234:
We have already seen a lot of Madu and Akas. None are national team standard.

I would have said Ikwuoem Utin but he forgets his defensive duties when he attacks. He was badly exposed in the CAF champions league.

Maybe Ebube.

Madu and Akas. Who dey say make we invite them?

Ikouwem Utin is a good prospect but still needs time to developed. Let us see him again at the AYC in January.

tbaba1234:
Every year, we have large numbers failing. Last year, it was 23. Almost half of the players decimated. Even in 2013 and 2015, we had large numbers failing.

It is terrible. For the whole of East Africa, we had only 12 fail. With simple screening methods, coaches can reduce cheats.

I am not disturbed about the number that failed. To me it is good riddance. But next time they should line up a larger number for the test so that the impact of those who will fail will not be felt much. It should also be done in relatively good time. At least 2/3 months before the tournament kicks off.

As you rightly said this has happened in years past and we come out strong.

I still remain hopeful on those that would represent the team.

isan:
She was invited for the France but withdrew due to illness

OK cool. She deserves it.

tbaba1234:
As regards Osimhen, some of the reports in the Belgian media suggest that he did not fail the trials at Zulte Waregem but there were concerns about his fitness and injury record. They did not want to sign an injury prone player.

Playing in Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovakia, Norway and Switzerland should not be a big deal for top Nigerian players if the home structures were right. Odey, Lokosa, Okpotu, Tosin Omoyele.. all top strikers in the league have failed trials in less fancied leagues in recent times.

Osimhen. This was a player some were already reserving the number 9 jersey for, even before he signed a professional contract.

Look at Iheanacho too. At 22 we are still looking for a system that suits him.

The earlier we stop overrating U17 achievements the better for us.

isan:
Ajibade has made her debut for the super falcons with hattrick in wafu cup she is also won the best player in the Nigerian league she is the star girl in the local scene she should be at AWCON 2018 and 2019 world cup

I know she was part of the WAFU team just like a few others in this U20. That WAFU team is just like the CHAN Eagles team. We are referring to the Main Super Falcons team.

do4luv14:
In the 90s when we made it to the qterfinal. Twice in eight years. Whose goals toke us dia. Oliseh misiles. Adepoju bullet. And h,,, let me stop here before you floor me with ur archives lolzzzz

Q/Final of what competitions?

TheSuperNerd:
Of course, we know that. Ajibade and Chiamaka, so far are the only two real talents from this team but the likes of Joy Duru, Peace Efih and Glory Ogbonna are also decent talents.

Any explanation as to why Ijamilusi is missing this tournament? Was she injured? Ijamilusi was one of our best during the qualifiers after Ajibade.

Monday Gift too is good but she has been absolutely disappointing in France. Hope she picks up.

Folashade Ijamilusi, a girl I tipped to be the next Asisat Oshoala. She was not even invited for camping. I too have been asking questions as to why she didn't make the camping list.

TheSuperNerd:
Ajibade won't be in direct competition with Oparanozie, who is a super natural No.9. Aijbade is kinda like Oshoala. She is a wing forward and an SS... Not a top striker. She loves to cut in from the right or left to go central and do damage. But yes, she can be utilized under adaptative measures as a no.9 or false 9 as seen in the game against China.

Yeah, perfect description.

safarigirl:
i know Rashidat has been trending s8ce before the tournament, she was the only one I knew prior to the tournament.

However, tournament proper, Rashidat has flattered to deceive

I know about the high expectations.

I have seen this girl play live. She is a master class.

I hope she gets better from the next game.

TheSuperNerd:
If we are talking Super Falcons Main team, Ajibade will only be the second to be invited from this crop... Someone in this current U-20 team has already made her bow for the main team.
Unsurprisingly, she is Chiamaka Nnadozie, the super goalie of the team. She debuted for the main team against France in that 8-0 bashing.


If we are talking Super Falcons overall including both the main and home based teams, then Anam Imo, Kemi Famuditi, And even Glory Ogbonna have made their bows at the WAFU tournament. Chiamaka was again present in goal.

So uhmmm.. Dad.. Biko rephrase. (But I agree that this set is not as super talented as the previous classes of 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2014). Even the class of 2006 was very good.

Well I didn't watch that France friendly so I didn't know Nnadozie made her debute. So well, if I may rephrase, hahaha, from those that are yet to get the invite to the Main Super Falcons team, Ajibade has the brightest chance.

And i hope she shows her true class as the tournament progresses.

M7even:
I know Rashidat from her secondary school days at St Joseph secondary school, surulere. I have a strong attachment based on how long I have known her. But, if I were to be fair, frankly she hasn't delivered as much as I had hoped. With such abysmal performances at the group stage, she wouldn't even bench a Courtney Dike of 2014. Clearly our goalie has been better and most likely would be in the national team. This Rashidat can't bench oparanozie, neither can she bench asisat. Maybe an honourable bench member.

Yes, I know she has not yet lived up to expectations in this tournament but that girl is quality for her age. I saw her demolish defenses during build up to this tournament. So I know what she is capable of. I agree she may not be able displace Oparanozie at the moment but she is surely one for the future. I see her joining the Super Falcons soonest.

BascoVanVeli:
Simple because those coaches don't want those jobs. If you look at the top countries in female football you will see coaches that are dedicated to women's football.

Coaching female teams is a different ball game my brother not because they don't want the job. Are you telling me some of our NPFL coaches would not jump at the opportunity to coach the Super Falcons team?

Coaching the female teams are a lot different from coaching male teams o.

safarigirl:
I am glad to say you are the fist person I am reading this from since the tournament started

Lots of people have said Ajibade has failed to live up to expectations, and I have seen more accolades for the Goal Keeper than any other member of the team, also, considering Ajibade has NO goals to her name, it is funny how she can be the best over a player that has won a Woman Of The Match award in this same tournament.


PS: Yesterday's goal against China is listed as an own goal. So, how has Rashid at distinguished herself?

I have followed this team right from their first qualifiers against Tanzania in Benin. I watched all their home games live in the stadium and clips of their away games. So I am not just judging from the WC proper. This team is very average compared to the past U20 teams. The only star among them is Rashidat Ajibade. The goal keeper too has done well having to replace the former first choice Onyinyechi.
But I would nt be surprised to see Ajibade as the first from the crop to get the Super Falcons invite.

jimmyiovine:
What coaching badge/certificate do you have? U fit take charge of one of our age grade teams, make we dey watch better ball. Or replace salisu after dey sack him lol

Hahaha, I have a BCC.

BascoVanVeli:
I have heard this from coaches of female sports.

Yes because that is where they have developed competency.

Why do you think NFF never appointed likes Keshi, Siasia, Oliseh, Amodu and co to coach the Super Falcons?

jimmyiovine:
Females are easy to coach? Please, are you a coach yourself?

You dey mind Bascovanveli?
He doesn't know that armature teams are the most difficult to coach.
Let him handle an U17 team and he will respect people like Manu and Amuneke.
I am a certified coach, I know what I am talking about.

do4luv14:
Wat abt the supplie? How often was it made? Or is it that he was supllied constantly with-out producing

Or have you forgoten that majority of our goals during the 80s and 90s. Are from the wings and mildfield?

Let me start with your last paragraph, If I hear?!
Who Yekini be? Na midfielder? Samson Siasia, Daniel Amokachi, Victor Ikpeba nko?

Talking about supplies, you expected to have created in the WC as many chance as you would create at the African qualifiers and AFCON?

Go look at the past matches we have won in the WCs and tell me how many chances were created. We were just efficient upfront in those games.
Look at even against Iceland, I don't think we created up to 4 chances all game.

That chance Ighalo had was our deciding moment of that WC.

BascoVanVeli:
Females are easy to coach when the coaches know what they are doing. I put it to you that women are a billion times easier to coach than men. There is no ego involved with women and they pay more attention to detail.

The coach was shouting about everything so how can day forget easily?

He has them playing in a way that is not in their DNA. We don't pass around aimlessly. The last 10 minutes against China was more of what those girls are about, ever forward football. They will probably have more players make the super falcons than any previous squad.

Let me start with your last sentence. The only player from this squad that has so far distinguished her self enough to get an invite to the Super Falcons squad is Rashidat Ajibade. We do not have players in this crop in the modes of Ugochi Oparanozie, Assisat Oshoala, Ebere Orji, Francesca Ordega, Ngozi Okobi, Esther Sunday, Uchechi Sunday, Courtney Dikeh. At this stage of their careers, they were already wrecking havoc.

This crop is lacking in individual abilities. Fact.

The fact that the coach is always shouting out instructions tells you how difficult it is for the girls to maintain instructions/tactics without being barked at. Senior male team handlers need not do that cos they are dealing with professionals already.

You yourself can even plot some tactics for the Super Eagles to execute. But for female age grade football it is quite more challenging cos as I said before they easily get carried away by the occasion. Look at the tapes of those girls from other countries again you will find it more difficult telling which formation the coaches have adopted or who is playing where as they mostly all run round the pitch and marking zonally.

do4luv14:
You are both right and wrong. Our system had build round the mildfield. With overlaping fulback/wingerts who supply the strike from the wings. With an AM pulling the strings from behinde the striker. Something that was lacking very lacking in our games at the WC


in as much as i dont wanna drag this further. It pains me seeing only IGHALO being pointed at as the cause of out ouster. Thats all

We are both saying the same thing. Our midfielders, WFs and SS work for the striker(s). And so a situation where the striker lacks quality it becomes a problem.

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do4luv14:
Then we shall cotinue to struggle and fail. We had not the mildfieeld nor a SS. Or AM for that kind of system. Or is it a MUSA that create a chance once in a million. Or an ANACHO. Thats too slfish that he rather shot no matter if he scores or not

We need a striker that knows where the back of the net is.

Yes we are not much gifted in the SS, WF and AM roles but if we chose to play a lone striker we should have one that can score from even half a chance.

Our system has always been to aim at the striker(s).
This seems not to be working for us because of lack of quality upfront.

do4luv14:
Hahahaha you jst prove me right. So if france and other country that make it far had leave the duty of scoring goals. To even GIROUD alone they would have won it. Point is that it isnt everyday you score wen put thru



how have you been papa NERDY

The strength of the French team lies in the players behind the CF. They may even have played a goalkeeper in that their CF position.

But the system we play hinges on our CF to give us goals. He is our arrow head. He fails to score we fail to score.

I have been good. Been a while we heard from you. Trust u are doing good.

do4luv14:
Wetin mikel and d rest do to help IGHALO if im no score? Him even create chance sef. Nah onli 4 9ja d goaling scoring dey for onli sriker head

Ighalo that Ahmed Musa put through on one-on-one against Argentina.
Iheanacho, Musa or Moses would have easily scored from that position.

Ighalo is responsible for our WC exit!

tbaba1234:
Tosin Omoyele, one of the best strikers in the NPFL failed trials with Swedish club IFK Göteborg. He went on another trial with Norwegian club, Valerenga who also decided against signing him.

Too bad. Failing trials in Scandinavian countries.
His agents should try Eastern Europe then.

BascoVanVeli:
With good coaching our group would have been a walk in the park I am sure of it. Look at today, he had 3 midfielders running around like headless chickens when he could have simply sat one of them in front of the defense.

The girls are not bad at all, the keeper is good enough to complete with Alaba for the SF number one shirt and Duru might be the solution to our left back problem. Also our midfielders are getting better by the second, Peace Efih is my pick of the bunch but Ucheibe and Amoo have been improving almost by the second.

If you really look player by player it would be hard to pick a weak link. Look at how they reacted when their backs were to the wall and they could had to play and not listen to their coach. If the coach allows them to play real super falconet football they will be tough to beat.

Coaching aside, this crop are not a gifted as most of the previous crops.

One of the most difficult teams to coach are female teams especially at age grade competitions.

They easily get carried away, forgetting tactics and chasing every ball on the pitch.

They play like a team that was hurriedly assembled.

But I must also give them kudos for qualifying from a group that has Germany and China. These are major forces in female football.

Bolowolowo:
This Ebere Eze henh.....might just be the breakthrough that Nigerian football needs.

Na so una dey start.

But well, let's see.

Tbaba's Mbaise boy. Hahaha.