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daveP:
happy resumption

u17, u20, then senior world cup? that's like saying they are super Brazilians. Kolewerk. especially with their media that won't allow usvhear world till we see our grandkids... na den Kyle walker go cost passed Ramos at the same age limit. or rashford is the new Messi. or Alli is better than Iniesta....

Pessin for no fit hear word for the next 50 or more years from them.

Just like dem still dey make noise over that their 1966 win.

tbaba1234:
I have to comment here because this is deceptive.

There was no mandated MRI test by CAF or FIFA in 2009. Any test (If any) that might have been conducted was done by Nigeria alone with no independent party and hence subject to the Nigerian factor.

Currently, test results are monitored by CAF and FIFA experts because they are mandatory. In 2009, we only had random tests by CAF and FIFA meaning not every player was tested.

That you have to refer back to 2009 is testament to the success of mandatory MRI tests. We have not had any significant verifiable age scandal since.

This a very simple thing.

Nobody has said the MRI is 99.9% accurate.

But a system that has about 90% degree of certainty by any standard is very reliable.

Tagging all our players age cheats because of that 10% chance of failure is so so unanalitical, unfounded and biased.

Until proven otherwise the MRI is still the best means of checking age cheating.

mespusinglez:
N'landers is it possible? To Finish Without Registering even a one Carry Over?

Sure na.
My B.Scand M.Sc, no single carry over

goldfish80:
Exactly, Fortune Chukwudi is the face of age cheat. He's the ultimate reference point. There is no age cheat except it is of Fortune Chukwudi magnitude.
By the way, do you know Fortune Chukwudi passed MRI scan in Nigeria and Qatar where the team camped? I bet you didn't know.





MRI is not conclusive. A 25yr old Fortune Chukwudi passed the test with flying colors twice (in Nigeria and Qatar).

Gerrit?

In 2009 random testing was done. Not all the players were tested.

EEGA:
Imagine if we played a 3-4-3 with this front three.

It will not make any difference. Are the other two better than Iwobi and Victor Moses?

tglobal:
So will any scientific procedure....even DNA tests or HIV test. The question is not if there is a degree of error but how much uncertainty you are willing to accept.

A standard deviation of 0.9 for a mean of 18.3 yrs means that if the MRI says you are 18.3 years old, then there is about 70% chance that your age is between 17.4 yrs and 19.2, 15% chance that you are older than 19.2 and 15% chance that you are younger than 17.4. If only 15 out of every 100 people tested will be older than 19.2 in this case, I will say that the MRI is doing a darn good job. I don't think an 85% grade is poor for the purposes of stopping age cheats in cadet football!

Thank you for this statistical break down my brother. Even me wey no be statistics teacher get the basic understanding of what that standard deviation value implies. Some people just like to argue everything.

TheGoodJoe:
Accuracy of overage players not passing the test. That is the point.

The Flying Eagles are playing Mauritania in far away Nouakchott this weekend.

That is the focus of my attention now. Leave them to be criticizing the MRI.

PDPGuy:
The world cup "foreign coach curse" continues..

Belgium's loss means that the native coaches of France, England and Croatia will guarantee that only native coaches of national teams have won the world cup.

Yes, Siasia and Oliseh have had their issues, but I think the NFF should give both guys another chance at managing the Super Eagles after the Nations Cup.

Another chance for them to draw our football backwards?

We are still suffering from the mess they created.

komekn:
Belguim just lost to France.
How u deh feel naa bro

This French team will trash England 3-0 if they meet in the final.

lexyman:
the truth is he can't be a slave to 2 masters even the bible confirm this , let him choose Belgium tonight

Person wey go run enter toilet go dey celebrate this night.

komekn:
Firstly, MRI is not conclusive and only indicative.

I didnt say that anybody is an age cheat just that unfortunately in Nigeria we do not have any way of ages being officially substantiated.

So on the flip side what irrefutable, infallible, unquestionable and undoubted evidence do you have to prove thier age.

Do you

I believe I have made my points clear on this.

Wait, how would Henry be feeling now?

Certitude:
Chief is bringing your attention to the "sub-saharan, since you said negroids weren't included.

He does not understand the article he posted.

goldfish80:
My theory is that African involvement in the research would have crashed the general numerical value which FIFA needed for integrity purposes.

Your theory?

Please when and how did you carry out the research. We need to see it.

goldfish80:
And for the uptheempt time, you're still quoting the FIFA sponsored research whose integrity have been called to question after Africans failed this test!

So where is the publication of the research of those who have questioned the integrity of the FIFA sponsored research?

komekn:
It could also work both ways until you have empirical irrefutable evidence to prove your age beyond any doubt you are w cheat.

Just depends on how you want to view it.

From rose tinted spectacles and delusional optimism.

The choice is yours.

My position remains the same I will accept your declaration but I do not have to believe it.

Quarrel no deh

I have results of MRI test to show for it. With a reliability of over 90%.

What evidence do you have to prove they are age cheats?

I wonder how Thiery Henry will feel being amongst the technical crew plotting against the French downfall. Football sha.

goldfish80:
The second article I posted the link was in reference to authenticate the ethnic group sampled by the FIFA test with absence of negroids. You get the picture now?

And for the third and final time.

goldfish80:
I didnt see where you mentioned 90% and I know what standard diviation means. I worked as an auxiliary lecturer in a poly tech taking yr1 students on Mth and Stat were I served.

Well then, the last time I was in a statistics class was my first year in the University.

So how can you then be confusing percentage with Standard Deviation? And as a statistics teacher you should know Standard Deviation has no unit.

Nothing like standard deviation of 0.9%.

Icon4s:
Those guys with white wrapper are already proven ritualists or cultists.

The Fulani man with an AK-47 is already a proven Killer.

The bottom line is if you do not have any proof or indications that a group of players are age cheats then you cannot label them as such.

I, for now, take the MRI thing seriously and will continue to defend the ages of Manu and Amuneke's boys because of the very high level of accuracy of the MRI. As a scientist I take to recognition any device with over 90% accuracy or efficiency.

So until, another theory comes up that the MRI is not as accurate as proposed after all, I will continue to believe in the accuracy of its results.

Goldfish80, see the 2nd to last paragraph.

goldfish80:
You're still quoting the same FIFA medical assessment and research center thesis which have proved to be nothing but hogwash since Africans failed the same test they upheld to be full proof.

Was that not the article that you posted that was meant to disprove the reliability of the MRI?

Or what was your aim of posting it in the first place?

goldfish80:
Please explain to me who a Sub Saharan African is. Algerian boys were part of the group sampled, therefore I cannot use the word "African" to make an argument against the integrity of the test.
Secondly, can you kindly explain why the FIFA research team sampled Asians, Caucasians, Latinos, Arabians but no negroid? Doesn't it look strange? Abi you're not the type who ask questions?
Because taking a critical look at the these variables and the number of Africans who failed the random test, one can speculate that FIFA knows the integrity of the test will come to question if negroids were sampled because the failure rate of the test would have upset the apple cart.

Again, calm down and read this carefully.

goldfish80:
Even before I posted, you have already held the integrity of the test to 0.9 and never added SD to numerical value. Secondly, the second link I posted was to authenticate the ethnic groups sampled by the thesis of FIFA's medical assessment and research center.

I stated that I take recognition of any device or system that has over 90% accuracy or efficiency.

I couldnt have given you an SD value because I have not carried out an experiment on it that requires statistical analysis.

That SD of 0.9 is as contained in that article you posted.

And note that SD of 0.9 is not same thing as 90% accuracy. They are measuring 2 different statistical parameters.

goldfish80:
What do you mean out of how many? Don't you get it that Sub Saharan Africans were not part of the sampled ethnic groups? The Ghanaians and Nigerian boy were isolated incidents outside the initial thesis and they came out negative.
There goes your 0.9% perfect claims.

Is it that you refused to read that article or you read it but found it too complex to comprehend?

You don't understand an article yet you ran to post it just to prove or disprove a point.

TheGoodJoe or anyone that understands that article should please help me explain it to this guy.

I Don tire to go back and forth abeg.

goldfish80:
The report clearly stated "in the ethnic group observed" which didn't include sub Saharan African. Since that time, 4 Ghanaian 15/16yr old boys have failed the test. Even a USA born 15yr old Nigerian boy have failed the test. Where does this peg your 0.9% near perfect claims?

And some little statistics lessons.

The SD of 0.9 Means Standard Deviation of 0.9 and not 0.9%

Standard Deviation as low as 0.9 only implies a high level of consistency of your result. It is not measured in percentage unit.

Besides it is not MY SD, it is the SD I got from the publication YOU posted.

goldfish80:
The report clearly stated "in the ethnic group observed" which didn't include sub Saharan African. Since that time, 4 Ghanaian 15/16yr old boys have failed the test. Even a USA born 15yr old Nigerian boy have failed the test. Where does this peg your 0.9% near perfect claims?

4 Ghanaian 15/16years olds out of how many?
1 Nigerian 15 years old out of how many?

No Insults meant but you need to go dust up your statistics note book.

For the observed Ethnic groups see below: But I hope you know we are part of Sub-Saharan Africa.

Certitude:
It seems they didn't read the article.

Or maybe they don't understand simple statistics .

goldfish80:
The report I posted had it that a 15yr old failed the MRI scan. Where does this put your 0.9% (near perfect) accuracy? Lol

A 15years old out of how many?

You obviously did not read what you posted.

goldfish80:
The system boasts of 0.9% accuracy in skeletal maturity not chronological age.
I hope you understand the difference.

This is the concluding part of that your publication. Read it again carefully.

cc: TheGoodJoe, Komekn.

goldfish80:
I took out my time to study a bit on the subject (Mri wrist scan) over the past few days and from my observation, MRI scan cannot be used to determine a person's true age. Rather the wrist scan can tell an individual's skeletal maturity not his/her chronological age.
Scientifically, adolescents enter puberty at different times and grow at different rates that is why a 15yr old can fail the test and you can also find an individual above 17 passing the same test due to variations in growth rate which could be as a of environmental/ecological or hereditary factors.
Unfortunately, this part of the world is not scientifically driven. There's no baseline for growth rate that is standard to us. Even the thesis had kids sampled from Algeria, Switzerland, Malaysia and Argentina and non from Africa.
You can read the full thesis here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2465138/

The MRI does not give you a chronological or absolute age, it gives you more of a relative age( age relative to bone fusion).

If you really read that publication you posted you find out where the standard deviation of the result was put at 0.9. That deviation, from a statistical point of view, is very low. And that gives more credence to the MRI analysis.

goldfish80:
Read more:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dear-fifa-there-is-no-scientific-test-to-prevent-age-fraud/

From the article average age of complete fusion is 18.3years.

Some kids less than 17 have already attained complete fussion while some attain this complete fusion at 18/19.
The system is not perfect but with a standard deviation put at as low as 0.9 then the system of analysis is very reliable. Period.

davidif:
And therein lies the main problem of Nigeria; allocations. When you give someone money that they didn't work for they are most likely to mismanage it and spend it on frivolities but if they worked hard to get the money they are most likely to spend it wisely. What Nigeria has been doing for years has failed. You are giving people free money and you are wondering why they are not spending it wisely.
Until you get rid of this nonsense allocation, states and local govts would not have the incentive to succeed and you would keep rewarding bad behavior (stealing etc) and incompetence. Its like giving large sums of money to your child and wondering why they squandered it.

Stop Monthly allocation and you think you can live in your house peacefully.