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tbaba1234:
BBC award is based on votes not performance.

Performance induced votes.
Mohammed Salah is Africa's best. Gbam!

Kog45:
Pls go back and read my first comment you quoted may be you will understand better cos it should not be an offence to analyze the chances of Ezenwa,Uzoho, Ajiboye, Alampasu and included Akpeyi,these are keepers who have the opportunity of getting Rohr invitation more than two times and a good pundits would take the five into consideration when analysing the goalkeeping department.

I don't see any reason to exclude Akpeyi from my analysis and if you read deep he was the only one i gave least chances by saying "If he get another chance" so what do you expect me to say.Do you expect me to omit him when Rohr has not said Akpeyi is no longer needed.

On Ejide comparison,pls always read my comment deep,am not saying Akpeyi was better but you said something which baffled me "ESCOBAR TREATMENT" this forced me to point out Ejide howler against Scotland even went to extent of telling you of Godwin Odiye own goal in our last match against Tunisia in 1978 WC qualifier when we needed just a draw,also Aiyebeni historical missed against South Koreajust to tell you that Nigerians are not heartless when it comes to football.

Mind you i was one of the first monikers to raise our goalkeeping problem when a lot don't even see it as an issue,i remember teztrum,icon4s, Michael2, goldfish80 were so concern and i never rate Akpeyi and Ezenwa.

I saw Uzoho against Girona and i came to this thread to tell anybody who care to listen that the boy is better than Akpeyi and Ezenwa and the boy made me happy with his 45 minutes against Argentina.

Uzoho performance against Argentina raised my curiosity on Alampasu that definitely if given chance too may be he is better than Akpeyi and Ezenwa.It was on this thread i said Ajiboye i watched against Guinea is better than Ezenwa and Ajiboye

Godwin Odiye's own goal was during the 1982 WC qualifiers and it was against Algeria

For the last game of the 1978 WC qualifiers we were beaten clearly 3-1 by Tunisia and no own goal.

Goke7:
The issue with some of you is that you are trying to justify enyeama's recall on his past heroics [same with martins] This is the same error we did in 1998 as rufai was called due to his past heroics too [even Rashidi yekini]. Are you sure that Enyeama today is still the same Enyeama of 2014. That he has resumed action does not mean he is still as sharp as before.

I think we are exercising unnecessary fear going to the world cup as we always assume that we need to go with our very old legs before we can make impact. During the wcq series, we were so fearful about ezenwa, but did that stop us from qualifying against experienced teams like Cameroon and algeria? I remember when we played serbia in 2014 and keshi introduced a young babatunde, it was like what the hell? but the guy turned out to be a revelation for us in that match and with a superb assist to musa for his first goal against argentina before he was injured.

We are just entertaining fears anytime we qualify for the world cup and we suddenly remember players we were not thinking about before. I think going forward, it's better we don't participate in the world cup anymore cos what's the use of qualifying if you can't trust the current players you have especially the ones who did all the hard work of qualifying. What if all these old legs we want go to the world cup, mess up like it happened before, are we not going to blame the coach for being stupid to take along tired legs? We are behaving as if we had no keeper in our previous matches. Are we the only team suffering weakness in some departments going to the world cup? You can't have a 100% team and no team in the world does. Brazil has had reputations of not having the best of goalkeepers yet they have won the world cup 5 times. Please let's major more on our strengths and be cautious in our areas of weakness. Recalling players who have retired or close to retirement will not solve these weak areas or can Enyeama guaranteed a clean sheet against the argentines? Abeg o. Recalling players based on past heroics is a very big NO for me. In 2014, Enyema was breaking records of clean sheets in France but is it the same Enyeama of today? Sorry for my long post

Who would you rather propose as first choice?

Mujtahida:
Enyeama is not a magician but I say that of all our players from the last three WC none, I repeat none has been outstanding as Enyeama. The WC has always been his stage. Did you watch Nig v Argentina in 2010 WC? Ohhh my goodness Enyeama thwarted waves after waves of attack from Messi and the attacking horde of the Argentines and if I recall he was given man of the match award. None of our players have ever been magical. None but they've done their best and we should honour them. I guess if five years from now someone says Mikel or Iheanacho were not magical it won't seat well with you.
Enyeama is a very solid gk. He is not just solid but in the history of goalkeeping in Nigeria he is the best we've ever had. Ask Icon4s and Kog45

Enyeama is our all time best.

The goalkeeping position is not one to be toiled with.

It is not like an out field position where you have more room for experiments.

This is the Senior World Cup where the best all over the world play against each other.

A world cup goalkeeper especially if he is first choice must be one that has been tested and proven.

A 45mins friendly game may be enough to have a conclusion on an out field player but not a Goal keeper. Even Ezenwa with all his heroics against Cameroon, Zambia and Algeria can be said not to be tested enough even though the only goals he conceded in all 4 games were penalties. His down side was that he showed lack of composure and positional abilities. You now place more confidence on a rookie that played only 45mins of which the Argentines only had 1 shot at goal.

I have said it and I will still say it that, in the absence of Enyeama, I would rather make Ezenwa first choice rather than Uzoho.

nelszx:
You mean we should do a '98 in 2017
You guys should let this Enyeama rest even Dodomayana has warned us not to repeat same mistake we did with him in the name of experience.
Enyeama needs a proper ceremonial game not to fight for shirt in the Eagles.
Let's always learn from history, it has ways of repeating itself

Two different scenarios. Rufai was on vacation and was invited just 3weeks to the WC.

In Enyeama's case we still have a couple of games to assess and reintegrate him.

in that 98 WC Baruwa was a total calamity and so Rufai's recall was inevitable more so as Ike was injured

safarigirl:
I will sha wait till January...or even March like Joebie opined

Yes. That is also my position.

We don't shut the door completely at him yet.

soetanoreoluwa:
People running super eagles are his enemy except Rohr how did you think it's possible for him to return?

That is where they need to have a round table discussion and put their house in order.

Mujtahida:
It's the NFF guys jare. It's not that Enyeama doesn't love the Gwg. I can tell you he still does. But he has enemies in high places and he doesn't want to come back to the team and perchance something goes wrong they'd lay it on him. If it's me sef I'll just stay away.
You are right that Rohr needs him. We have read Rohr say so in the media na.

Pinnick needs to call a state holders meeting ASAP and settle this in good enough time.

Unfortunately our Red beret minister of Sports is not interested in football affairs, he also has a part to play.

Nigeria is bigger than any single individual or individuals' interests.

Mickael2:
there are things we are missing here. First off, Rohr isn't a fool, he has heard what Peterside and the likes said but he still discusses Enyeama why? Second, Enyeama actually has issues with a lot of NFF guys, I am pretty sure Enyeama has not come out directly to say that he won't come back, it's all hear-say from? You guessed, the same NFF guys who he has problems with, while he has been keeping tabs with Rohr, the guy who he does not have a problem with and Rohr still is confident of getting him that's okay with me

You have painted the true picture.

100%.

We should not rule Enyeama out yet.

How people will be comfortable having someone like Uzoho as a first choice goalie to the Senior WC keeps me wondering.

Mujtahida:
That's not a big issue na. We free the guy. Secretly in my heart I want us to give Uzoho a chance but at the same time I know how much experience counts in gk department. If you watched the first leg of Porto v Man United, you will notice Porto used one young boy. Clearly that lad is a good gk but he made errors which experienced gk will not make. Experienced gk make errors too but the margin for error is minimal. And the reason is simple: if you have done something for a long time you begin to operate instinctively. You've faced so many testy situations which young people have not faced. Where a young gk might rush out and cause a penalty, an experienced gk will know that it's best not to rush. Experienced matters a lot. I sometimes however oppose it when it is used as a bar against testing or giving young people opportunity to also learn and gather experience.

They will tell you experience didn't help Akpeyi so it doesn't count.

Kog45:
Oga icon4s Enyeama is not coming back,Did you know how many top personalities that have tried to talk to Enyeama to rescind his decision even to the extent he embarrassed a whole Senate President Bukola Saraki.

Did you know Mikel waded in through Saraki but the guy still remain adamant.Hope you heard Peterside Idah statement on Enyeama return,he said Enyeama is not coming back.

Sir I believe is better for us to plan ahead of Enyeama and move on,truly i understand your plights and i shared it but what can we do when the main man refused to accept our pleas.

At least we have Uzoho,Ajiboye, Alampasu, *Ezenwa,*Akpeyi,Maduka, Nwokolor,Afelokhai, and experience old horse Aiyenugba, let's concentrate on them and see the result.

If Rohr still has hope of his return who am I?

soetanoreoluwa:
This is not about rubbish... This is about us... Our love and passion.. How can someone be holding us to ransom..

We made mistake and we accepted and we took a bold step to beg and make you see reason we need you then you still believe we are nobody... What else do you want us to do again?

Enyeama is a good goalkeeper in doubt but he cant hold to ransom..

May I ask you which club is enyeama playing before he man the SE post in 2002?

Uzoho was trained in aspire academy one of the best in Europe and immediately find himself in depotivo team b.. Keeping regularly every weekend ...its not a joke!

How many nigeria goalkeeper playing in top clubs in Europe ?

How many nigeria goalkeeper currently playing regularly not bench warmer for team B in Europe?

First off, for the umpteenth time Enyeama was 3rd choice goalie at the 2002 WC. He was not in goal for the first two games Ike Shoronmu was. Enyeama only kept in the dead rubber game against England. There was nothing at stake.

You don't gamble with an inexperienced goalie at the World cup. For God's sakes! Any of the young goalies can be in the team but not first choice.

As for where Enyeama was then. He was the first choice Goalie for Enyimba FC, then Back to back NPL champions. He was in goal for Enyimba during there 2001/2002 CAF champions league campaign. As at that 2002 WC he was also part of the Enyimba CAF champions league team. He had a couple of good international exposure by virtue of that. As a 21years old, he had kept in highly competitive continental encounters.

Most of those games are far more competitive than those academy stuffs you talking about.

safarigirl:
lol....this is how I will laugh at you jist like I laughed after Tammy's own

Una no dey ever learn which means, experience is not always the best teacher.

It is still some of una that will still come here to say "Enyeama was having a good run of form at Lille but was ignored".

Just as some are still blaming the NFF and the whole football fraternity for letting Alaba, Delle Alli and other play for other countries.

soetanoreoluwa:
Is that the reason we pull out another carpet for someone that has no zeal to wear GWG?

He's tired n he doesn't want to come back... Why forcing n begging.. In case he got scold in addressing home do you know the next thing he will dish out... ? You beg me to come back and why putting up drama...
No player is indispensable

Even if Mikel said he tired today... We will go out and play the match...

The whole country Don beg am.. Even number 3 citizen in Nigeria also beg him what else did he want again?

He doesn't see reason to be part of the team,he has seen it all...

Uzoho Ajiboye and alampasu... Is okay... Ezenwa n Akpeyi should fight it out... Get a good psychologist to make them believe they can..

For enyeama to do it in 2002 either of the three goal keeper Can do it...

Am sick and tired of begging any player to play for us... Population of 200million and one person is feeling important...

He should enjoy his retirement

Go through my post and dig out where I have used the word "beg".

Mujtahida:
You surely have not followed the trend of information regarding Enyeama since Rohr took over if not you wouldn't have typed the bolded. Do you know how many times Rohr himself has called Enyeama? Do you know who has been most consistent in calling for the return of Enyeama? Rohr!!!
I don't know how convincing someone amounts to begging. He used the word convince. You turned it to begging. Is convincing and begging the same?
Now to your question: should Enyeama return, Mikel will continue as captain. Any more problems?

Na who go be captain be him problem.

I can bet that Enyeama would not even be interested in any thing captaincy anymore.

safarigirl:
so, if Enyeama say he no dey do again nko?

We move on.

So until then the door is still open.

Mujtahida:
Team chemistry is something that should be jealously protected and last week we had cause to discuss it with the overwhelming emphasis being that it should not be sacrificed for any player. However we are beginning to set it up as tool to dissuade discussion about certain players. None of us is in camp with them so we cannot make authoritative statements about this or that person coming to spoil the team spirit. Like you have pointed out all those guys played with Enyeama and Rohr has said Enyeama's return will be on his(Rohr's) terms and not Enyeama's.

Thank you .

I just tire.

Do they know what we are going to face at the World cup?

If team chemistry is the issue, then Enyeama is even better placed than Uzoho, Alampasu and Okoye. Our back line has not much changed since Enyeama left. So wetin?

safarigirl:
who gives a shiiit about MOTM when the team lost under his captaincy?

If what you want to see is an individual player winning MOTM in the face of an abysmal team performance, me, I want to see the team having a top performance where nobody wins MOTM.... All him MOTM never carry us go anywhere

We were talking about the individual brilliance of Enyeama right?

For the MOTM performance to be given to a player from the losing side it really means that player was so so outstanding.

Enyeama could not multiply himself into 11 players.

You are trying hard to rubbish Enyeamas performances just to promote Uzoho. Hahaha. A goal keeper for a Team B side. Not as if it is even a Team B of a top Spanish club. Abeg fear God o.

kennysville:
Same way we stuck our neck for Enyeama @ 2002 world cup.... yes na!

No!
Enyeama was only fielded in a dead rubber game.
Ike Shoronmu was in goal for the two earlier games.

safarigirl:
he will not do any worse than Enyeama....at least if he is conceding goals, he will not also be causing unnecessary trouble in the dressing room because Rohr scolded him during Half-Time

He will not do any worse than Enyeama? So Enyeama was terrible in his 3 Word cup outings?

A keeper that will usually win MOTM even when we lost?

soetanoreoluwa:
Last time we check he told peterside he's tired of playing for Super eagles... What else do we want again?

Are you comfortable with the goal keeping options we have presently?

[quote author=MetalJigsaw post=63177480][/quote]It only takes convincing to make him rescind the decision. But if he still insists he will not be part of the team then we move on.

Talking about being sharp. You saw the weekend review posted earlier on this thread. All though that does not mean he may have fully regained his sharpness. But that is a good start to his recovery.
We have a couple of friendlies in March to also assess his level of sharpness.

Rohr says if Enyeama starts playing again then he can include him in his plans. Yes Enyeama had issues with Oliseh but this is Rohr in charge now.

As I have said before we make attempt to extend the olive branch to him. And if he turns it down then we move on.

Enyeama cannot be giving out good performances at Lille and we are having a goalkeeper crisis and we look away. Let us all put pride and vengeance aside, Nigeria is bigger than every individual, even the president.

safarigirl:
if Your great magician Enyeama could not perform magic in 3 World Cups and 5 AFCONs, maybe he's not as good a magician as you thought

Hahaha. So you are sticking out your neck that Uzoho will perform the Magic. Right?

safarigirl:
he will not even be given the level of respect Yobo has even as Yobo scored OG at his own last World Cup.

We can all slate Oliseh in his handling of their spat, but we must not give Enyeama any pass for his own controbution as well. A veteran goalie behaving in that manner was shameful...even his behaviour prior to that was shameful and divisive but his performance between the sticks always made us forget that Enyeama is a proper BRAT.

On the first paragraph, you are not part of the team so you cannot be so sure

safarigirl:
magic that did not lead to us winning?

Ikeme could have performed that magic...he is at least tall enough to see the ball coming from a corner.

Uzoho has same attributes, but we haven't seen enough of him and that is why Enyeama is your issue.....apart from the fact that you like older players of course

"Ikeme could have...." you said? Ikeme is no where near Enyeama at his prime.

Nigerians, we forget too soon.

And Uzoho is now the likely Magician that will perform the magic that Enyeama could not perform over 3 WC and 5 AFCONS and lots of WC and AFCON qualifiers in between.

Abeg fear God small abeg.

Talking about preference for older players.

I will always prefer people who are proven.

safarigirl:
abeg o, Enyeama is nobody's father figure.... A father that abandoned his children when they needed him the most because he had disagreement with officials? That is a deadbeat dad, irresponsible father. Currently, Mikel is the father who stepped in when the deadbeat dad jumped ship, so let us not give Enyeama an unmerited position

Enyeama's position now is like that father that abandons his kids during rough times and then another nan steps in (Mikel) to take care of them and once the kids have reached a respectable status in society, the deadbeat dad wants to leech off of them just because he provided sp3rm.


Let us not give anyone unmerited position because we want them back. Enyeama is a betrayer of trust, because of his ego he betrayed the trust of players who looked up to him and now we want to forget that because we have refused to trust the current guys there?


Icon abeg, that one I no go gree. Enyeama is not an important entity anymore in the Super Eagles, nobody dey look am as anything again. He is not the superhuman goalie many are making him out to be, he is not even the spiritual father I used to think he was. He's just an outsider looking to use a privileged position to get in

Hahaha.

Enyeama is a veteran of the Super Eagles of Nigeria.
The best goalie to ever stand between the sticks for us. He is a great icon of that goal keeping position.

Which ever way you look at it he is a father figure.And definitely will be well respected.

safarigirl:
Enyeama did not perform magic the last three World Cups he went for and he will not perform magic now.


He is just as error prone as any other goalie we have, but his own error is that he is too short to see a corner kick and it is not hard for opponents to score from that angle


If he must come back, let us not make the error of fielding him against the Argentines because dem don see am finish for that team and they will play him the suwe they always play him

Before he will dash his bestie two goals

On your first paragraph, if you have time look for videos of our last two World cups and watch Enyeama's saves.

I will like know that goalie that you think can perform that "Magic" you are talking about.

safarigirl:
uncle, please address with respect and make your point without resorting to personal attacks on the elders of this thread.

Your second paragraph was unnecessary

Thanks my sister.

Please forgive him.

MetalJigsaw:
Answer my question of who will be the team captain since you can seen the future. Don't you know that that issue issue is a potential jeopardizer of the team togetherness?

You're surely the type of dude that easily gets emotionally attached to a woman and keep begging and licking her ass even if she clearly doesn't want you.

If the issue of captaincy is your priority in this matter, then sorry, you have a misplaced priority.

The Enyeama that I know will even prefer not to contest any captaincy band with anybody.

The more important issue should be if Enyeama is still sharp enough to give us that cover.
Leave Rohr and the team to decide on the captaincy abeg.

elyte89:
In as much as we re craving for enyeamas return to d team,we should avoid begging "anyone" to wear D GWG,it would b disastrous. Let him show interest, and if he doesn't,let's manage d ones we av.TEAM CHEMISTRY/BONDING IS KEY


BTW,his inclusion or not won't determine aw far we would go in d tournament... MY opinion #

There is a lot of difference between begging and convincing. Nobody is gonna beg anybody.

Which Team chemistry are we talking about here?
Which stands a higher risk of distorting team chemistry? Return of a veteran goalie that played with all 4 of the current regular defenders or introduction of a Rookie goalie?

Forget about issue of bonding. Enyeama is a father figure in that team. Just like what Ike Shoronmu was to the 2002 WC team. We need an experienced goalie in that fold abeg.

On your last paragraph, then in that case why worry about Akpeyi? Since, from that statement, it doesn't matter who is in goal.

Do you know how many life saving saves Enyeama made for us in our last 2 World cups? I can never forget the last effort save he made against Bosnia in the 2014 WC. That singular save ensured we won that game and at the end of the day counted for us to qualify from that group.

Think of the kind of pressures we usually find ourselves in world cups and the kind of saves Enyeama makes .Do you think all those Rookie goalies can make such?

MetalJigsaw:
We should beg him to come back from retirement. Just listen to yourself. He retired by himself!.

The team chemistry is at stake!

And who will be the captain of the team??

Team chemistry?
Shehu, Balogun, Ekong, Omeruo, Echiejile, Onazi, Musa, Moses, Mikel all played with Enyeama.

When clamoring for Uzoho, Alampasu and Okoye you didn't think of Chemistry.

The goalkeeping department for the World cup is for EXPERIENCED Goalies. Even Akpeyi and Ezenwa don't have that kind of Experience.

This is not like the case of Peter Rufai that was on vacation and was callrd up less than 3weeks to the WC. We just need Enyeama to be back to active goal keeping. We still have a couple of friendlies to assess and reintegrate him into the team.

So your problem is now about who becomes team captain?

Orkpekyandega:
Enyeama, Egwuekwe, Ndidi, Ogbeche, Olayinka Make Nigerian Team Of The Week
www.nairaland.com/attachments/6392504_ndidi_jpeg887c7d9d2490d08e9c7f5f521e434e3c

Team Of The Week :
Allnigeriasoccer.com reveals the best performers that starred for their respective clubs from the past weekend.


Vincent Enyeama(Lille) : The Nigerian goalkeeper saved a spot kick on return to action in his side's 3-1 win over Croix Football IC in the French National league.


Azubuike Egwuekwe(SuperSports United) : The Super Eagles defender salvaged a point for the Trendsetters with a late goal in a 1-1 draw with Cape Town City FC in the PSL.


Felix Uduokhai( Wolfsburg) : Uduokhai was on from start to finish for Wolfsburg in a goalless turnout with Hamburger SV in the German Bundesliga.


Tyronne Ebuehi(Ado Den Haag) : The Super Eagles fullback went the full distance for his side in a thrilling 3-2 win over FC Twente in the Holland Eredivisie.


Shehu Abdullahi(Anorthosis Famagusta): The defender was in action for his side as they strengthened their stronghold of top stop in the Cyproit Division One with a 2-1 comeback win over Alki Oroklinis.


Wilfred Ndidi(Leicester City): The midfielder continued his fine form for the Foxes with his third assist of the season as Leicester City beat Newcastle United 3-2 in the Premier League.


Ogenyi Onazi(Trabzonspor): Onazi pulled the strings from midfield as Trabzonspor breezed past Kasimpasa 3-0 in the Turkish Super League, picking up a yellow in the 74 minutes for his troubles.


James Olayinka(Arsenal U18): Olayinka tallied an assist for Arsenal's youth team in their 3-0 win over Swansea City, setting up John-Jules for his side's second goal.


Sheyi Ojo(Fulham): The Liverpool loanee struck the solitary goal for the Cottagers in their 1-0 against Birmingham City, his third in the England Championship this campaign.


Henry Onyekuru(Anderlecht): The Super Eagles attacker edged closer to double figures for R.S.C. Anderlecht with his ninth league goal albeit in a 3-1 loss to Sporting Charleroi in the Belgian topflight.


Bartholomew Ogbeche(Willem II): Ogbeche scored for the fourth game running for Willem II in a 1-1 draw with NAC Breda in the Netherlands top division. The goal was his seventh in six outings.

Emmanuel Chinaza

www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=25783

Thank God Enyeama is back to action.

Next is for Rohr , his crew the NFF to convince him to come out of retirement.

We need to see him in action against Poland in March.

After Russia, we can now finally focus on the young goalies as we build up for the 2022WC.