₦airaland Forum

AfroDude:
You know nothing about history boy. The underlying cause of the civil war was because of the inhumane treatments the igbos recieved up north. Even Ahmadi Bello (hope I got that right) admitted to it in an interview with an American journalist. He openly disclosed his hatred for the easterners by saying "how can they come to the north and thrive more than their hosts". Pretty tribalistic if u ask me

No, he did not say that, he said Igbo people like to dominate and take over everywhere they go and that was an accurate statement because even today, we see the same thing everywhere all over Nigeria. People in other parts of the country fell the same way and even Igbo people themselves don't hide it.

I don't understand how you get to migrate to other parts of Nigeria, welcomed and allowed to do business and conduct your activities in peace, but still project disdain, hatred, bigotry and hostilities against your hosts.

Seems Igbo people generally have some serious social issues, I don't think as a people they have it in them to live and coexists peacefully with other people.

ModestGal:
I'm a Muslim and I feel no pity, its time the extremist Muslims understand that they are not the only one capable of violence. As for me, I like justice and tit for tat.
Treat other people like thrashes and they treat you like thrashes, thats the type of world I want to be in. Its being long the Northerners think they can kill, burn and do all sort of evil just to instill fear in others, how can you kill and justify it for whatever reason in the name of the religion?

Even some Yoruba Muslims would support the evils, and some other hypocrite Muslims would keep quiet when they see evil being perpetrated to others in the name of Islam, especially that their imagined Sharia law where innocent people are sentenced to death because they change to another religion, abuse prophet Muhammad, etc. I will never be a party to hypocrisy, and I will speak truth, even if its against my own family

You are not Yoruba and not even a muslim.

They are playing with fire, but at the end of the day, you reap what you sow.

These ipob terrorist are gradually overrunning the SE and SS.

The FG always let things get out of hand before stepping in to take charge and control the situation, they can't keep depending on the governors to handle the situation since the governors themselves are scared of the ipob terrorists.

Atlas9:
Wrong is wrong. Your 30 thousand naira per month ( 30 shekels of silver) does not change that.

At what point are we going to start hearing exactly the wrong and the crimes Tinubu committed? All we keep getting is insinuation and unproven allegations and gossips.

Owning a jet is not a crime or an act of corruption, he's a private citizen and a businessman with several successful businesses, his TVC alone employs 550 Nigerians.

Is it not strange that with so mush noise and accusations of wrong going, there's not a single documented or proven corrupt act, why?...

plaindealer:
List the documented criminal acts Tinubu Committed.

You'll never get an answer from them, they are mostly liars and bigots. If GEJ couldn't come up with anything, why expect these noisy laymen to come up with something?

They are just doing what they do best, hatred, tribalism and bigotry, it's in their DNA.

DamZik:
I know the slave called Tinubu will be urinating on his body right now that his lords are challenging him. The fear of Fulani masters is the beginning of wisdom for him. If one of the cabals tells him to forget about 2023 and surpport a Fulani herdsman, his reply will be "yes sir."

Tinubu - a very loyal Yoruba slave. A patriotic messenger of the born to rule Arewa.

Revolution is now!

#EndSWAT

#BuhariMustGo

This is when ipobs think endsars is the opportunity they're been looking for to destroy Nigeria.

Una don miss road.

Too many lunatics in Nigeria. Is there anything in Nigeria that they don't credit to Tinubu? Tinubu is the mythical and omnipotent figure in Nigeria.

God bless Asiwaju Tinubu.

EnkayDezign4:
hmm this woman again

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12538050_12180893539523771981564382519295035710646568n_jpege86bc4b7158117df2d4cb582e9af3297

Politicians and fake activists living the good life abroad are all the same, they are all crooks and thieves.

She rant and shout all over the place about bad and rotten education system in Nigeria, she yell BBOG for the poor girls, but her own children are safe and sound in the best school in the UK, she's paying almost 100,000 pounds to give them the best education money can buy, courtesy of the crooked and corrupt Nigerian system, all at the expense of the poor Nigerians the hypocrite activist pretend she's fighting for.

She was not even in Nigeria when the whole endsars thing started and I'm sure when it's all over she'll enter plane and return to her good life with her family in London.

HBB1:
Alaye, Park well!

You can't tell a Man how to spend his hard earned money

Stop whipping up sentiments.
Your tirade doesn't make sense.

Why are you mad and upset? We are actually on the same page, you even made my point. We've seen how Nigerians bad mouth other Nigerians and their foreign educated children because they send their children abroad while they suffer though bad education system here in Nigeria.

Are the endsars protesters not circulating pictures of other Nigerians and their children schooling abroad while you are here in Nigerian suffering?

Are they also not free to do whatever they want with their money. Leaders send their children abroad, politicians send their children abroad, even activist shouting and yelling for a better Nigeria send their children abroad while you sufferhead downtrodden sit and make excuse and justification for them on the internet.

You are all the same, you complain and cry everyday, but given the opportunity and small money on your pocket, you won't hesitate to dumpe Nigerian and do the same thing they are all doing as we speak, activist or no activist, they care less about you and Nigeria.

The woman and her family are not even based hee in Nigeria so why are you shining teeth for her?

HBB1:
Every man has the choice to do whatever he wishes with his money, as long as it is not ill-gotten!

If Aisha Yesufu or Okonjo Iweala decide to send their Children to wherever with legitimate money, they have committed no crime!

Alaye, face the pertinent issues and stop spewing sentiments

How do you know what is ill-gotten or not? Are you involved in their day to day activities?

This is what's so confusing, baffling and contradictory when it comes to Nigerian youths, they pick and choose the best and the most convenient excuse to suit their current narratives.

It doesn't matter where the money can from ill-gotten or not, you can not be shouting all over the place about a better Nigeria or politicians neglecting our schools while they send their children to expensive foreign schools when in fact every Nigerian even according to your own mentality won't hesitate to do the same thing, it's a classic case of every man for himself.

What flew over your head is the fact that rich is rich regardless of where they get their money from, they don't care or give a damn about you, even the activist shouting about bad Nigeria with bad schools won't even let their children mingle with you or live in the same country with you.

If they really care about Nigeria, if they are so patriotic, why not show their patriotism and here in Nigeria, spend the millions of pounds and dollars they spend on their children's education here in Nigeria to to better Nigeria, to boost our economy and to make our schools better? Or their activism rant is just rant that doesn't mean anything?

Crooked politicians and activists including you are all the same thing, even according to you, you won't hesitate to do the same thing with the same kind of money in your pocket.

You are all hypocrites deceiving each other.

Kingspin:
I merely responding to your comment.

You sound counterfeit

Here you are, thanking TVC for sacking her.
She did what she think is honourable for herself only not you. She had enough

First of all, you are a liar, I did not thank anybody even though she was justly sacked, her former employer made the right call, you either are a liar or you just don't know how to read and comprehend.

She did what was honorable according to you, but what was honorable to you was actually tacky, childish, immature and unprofessional to her employer.

What stopped her from just resigning if her place of work was a threat to her life? Is resigning not what sensible and professional adults do?

You kind of sound immature to, you are not even making any sense and I don't see any value in my back and forth with you.

Kingspin:
Why did she walk out of a live show?

I told you to leave her and her own belief.
She chooses to walk away not everybody can work under discriminatory threat.
Is a no go area for some. Neither did I blame anybody for her sack.

Because I believe this is who she is.

If you are not blaming anybody for her sack, then why are you ranting, mad and upset?

You sound very very confused and aimless in your thoughts.

Kingspin:
So why you attacking the young lady on what she thinks is a threat to her?
First, you should enter into this topic bringing in the reason for her walking away balance it.

Your hypocrisy made me to response.
Mrs Eze seems to not like the drown threat so she excused herself.

She can not pretend it all good.

1. I did not attack her.

2. She was not sacked because of the reason why she walked of a live TV show, she was sacked because she walked of a live TV show.

If you think she shouldn't have been sacked because of the reason why she walked of a live TV show, that's your own personal opinion and definitely not the opinion of her employer and rational thinking people.

Learn how to accept other people's opinion and beliefs, the world doesn't revolve around you and your mentality.

HBB1:
So if you have money, you won't send your kids to good schools?

I'll send my kids to school if I have money or not, there are millions of poor children in all our schools right here in Nigeria so exactly what is your point?

Or you mean wouldn't I send my children to the foreign best schools in world if I have 500,00 pounds or if I'm a millionaire or billionaire?

This is Prince Charles, he's an alumni of the same school Aisha Yesufu's children graduated from.

Don't kill yourself over politicians and activists, they all live in a different world, the kind of world than you could only dream of.

While Nigerian youths are arguing and going back and forth about where she's from or who her husband is, they overlooked the fact that the woman herself, her husband and her children live in a different world and in totally different day to day realities.

I've seen several pictures of politicians and their driaduating children in foreign schools, but this woman trumps them all, her children graduated from one of the best schools in the world, Prince Charles of the UK is an alumni of the school her children graduated from, the school fees is £41,250 per year, that's like almost half a million pounds by the time boths kids graduate. The only black children in their class.

Just like other activist like Ben Bruce of the buy naija fame, all his children are never in Nigeria and they all graduated abroad in California, In Nigeria, politicians and activists tell you what you want to hear, but they don't practice what they preach, they don't lead by example, they are all part of the luxurious jet setting people with different daily realities from the average Nigerian.

Nigerian youths, while you are rightfully out there on the streets endangering your life and facing police violence, crying from tear gas, getting shot and so on, her own children are far far removed from your own struggle and realities.

This is putting things in perspective.

Kingspin:
suffering and smiling people

You think everybody is so dumb like you?
Coward, you can sell your soul for a pot of soup.
So cheap!

Stand up for what you believe.
#Endsarnow

We don't have to agree on anything and you really don't have to attack me for what I believe in. It is very hypocritical, contradictory and obnoxious to ask other people to stand up for what they believe in while at the same time attacking them for standing up for what they believe in.

I've already stated why we can not see the same thing and conclusively agree that we saw the same thing based on our different socio cultural mentality and communal way of life.

There's no need to bully or emotionally blackmail other people into seeing and perceiving things the way you do.

richie240:
Let's not allow our party affiliation color our thots pls.
Was she hired because she was APC/PDP?
Was she fired because she was APC/PDP?
Why was she fired pls?
Its even disappointing that we've come to D's level in D's country DT we purposely, deliberately and mischievously try to muddle the waters with 'tribe/political affiliation' over a clear-as-day issue

Pls, kindly tell me any reputable organization in d whole wide world that would tolerate what she did ON LIVE TV?

I'm waiting pls.
#Keyword here is 'reputable'.
Tnx

You are assuming that you live in the same world with the same realities, the same mentality and the same social and communal understandings when in fact we don't hence their usual different take and realities when it comes to basic and straightforward issues like this topic.

The rest of the world can condem the woman's actions and support the actions of her former employer per her getting sacked which is the standard employer action everywhere, but in their own world where collective paranoia, suspicions, victim mentality, tribal and ethnic worries are the daily worries and manner of relations with the rest of the country, things are received and perceived based on that flowed tribal and ethnic mentality.

What is normal and a straightforward issue to you is not the same to them because you reason and see such issues based on standard day to day realities, but they do based on tribe and ethnic colorations. To them, tribe comes first and tribe must be the deciding factor in everything.

For example, look at basic laws like border closure and ban on importation of certain goods and services enacted to protect and benefit us collectively as a nation, to you and I, it was a standard and normal government action for the benefit of all, but they saw and received that measure tribally and ethnically, to them, it was a government action to punish and cripple Igbo businesses. This is how they are programmed from birth to reason, to relate and exist in the same country with other Nigerians.

To normal people like you, the woman's action was detrimental and unprofessional and her sack was justified, but to them, she's the victim of some kind of tribal conspiracy to malign, denigrate and hurt members of their tribe

This is the reason why you won't get any rational or sensible answer from them, we basically live in the same country, but our professional, socio-communal realities are not the same.

Kingspin:
Mrs Eze remains a hero in the midst of those threaten to drown her self and the people.

Not everybody can stand up for the oppressed She remains a winner.

That embarrassing, tacky and unprofessional woman is your hero?

Why are Igbo people like this? Seems like some Igbo people live in a different world with different and alternate realities.

OfoIgbo:
Don't worry. There are a lot much better leaders in the south. I can't be fooled.

The chick went into a meeting hoping for a juicy deal. Came out disappointed and talking crap

Her anger and bitterness started when PMB made her Bring Back Our Girls (BBOG) co-convener group Hadiza Bala Usman the head of the Nigerian Ports Authority.

This woman doesn't stand for anything righteous or in the interest of Nigeria, it's all about her personal anger, bitterness and self serving agena.

I just home our brave young men and women don't let these bitter and self serving people with their own personal agenda overtake and hijack this movement.

The activist said God forbids that she meets with the President, Major General Muhammadu Buhari (retd.), to negotiate the #EndSARS protests.

This is just too irresponsible and counterproductive. Sow what's your purpose and agenda? What's the end gave? The FG is moving faster than expected, they've accepted every single demand and they are already implementing the demands so why is she ranting and raving and promising to remain in the streets disrupting commerce and businesses?

Sounds like she's part of the problem and not the solution.

She's free to remain in the streets forever, that's her choice and prerogative. Obviously, she has her own agenda, this is just an opportunity for her to grind her axe, I never believed in her approach and style of activism.

This is not activism, this is pure personal interest and personal agenda.

When you see claims like ethnic division, it's only and always from a section of the country. I don't know why every issue got to be ethnic division.

This is the first president with serious engagement and commitment in the SE regarding federal presence, investments, projects and infrastructures?

The SS don't shout ethnic division, the middle belt don't shout ethnic division, the North don't shout ethnic division and the SW don;t shout ewthnic division, it's only the SE, the same thing they've been shouting since 1960.

This woman was part of a federal government that did not do one thing for the SE, even the party she worked for did not do anything for the SE so what kind of division was that?

360degreess:
The frustrated guy is blaming Buhari for failures.
It all depends on your faith and mindset. I can say this without any shadow of doubt, that I have achieved more in this Buhari's regime than any other previous regime..

100% Correct.

After sitting around for 60 years while accepting bad governance, hundreds of billions of oil dollars looted, thousands of abandoned projects all over Nigeria, endless darkness even though one administration spent $16 billion on electricity, basd roads, no bridge, no hospital, bad healthcare, bad schools and horrible governance, you all of a sudden want to see El Dorado within 6 years even though we are seeing positive changes all over Nigeria, 30 and 40 years abandoned projects are getting completed, we saw a 156km railway started and completed in less than 4 years.

Fact is, real PMB voters and supporters have serious faith and believe in him and what he's accomplished so far so I doubt this man voted for PMB to start with.

He tried to bully the protesters and banned then from protesting, but after the protesters ignored his threats, he now ruched him to claim glory.

This man and his ego knows no bounds.

kalu61:
Now I understand Wike's point. River State used to or is a hot spot for Police brutality especially during election time.

Wike the Wicked is vexing we no support am when Amaechi used police to intimidate am. When police was brutalizing me, wuna no talk, now e don reach wuna turn, wuna want make l talk.

Wike don hear shege for police hand.
How many policemen staged him in Edo again

Wike, GEJ and his wife actually used the same police to terrorize Amaechi, he even used the state police in collusion with GEJ to barricade the governor's mansion.

OP, are you supporting Tinubu because all the reasons you gave are in his favor.?

michlan:
Now let us relate your argument to the initial statement that led to the debate. The governor said they lack 'necessary power to control the police force', can you in all honesty say his submission is wrong? The question the OP has been trying to deflect is do they have 'necessary powers to control' the police force?

This is not about my own opinion or what I honestly believe in or not, this is strictly about the Nigerian constitution so separate your opinion and personal or political sentiments and strictly face the constitution.

Of course, the governor's submission is very wrong because there's a provision within the Nigerian constitution that abrogated powers to state governors and because the governor knows nothing about such pers in the constitution doesn't mean he's not empowered by the constitution to control the police especially as the chief law enforcement officer in his state.

The governor is free to announce to the public the specific order or orders he gave to the Nigerian police that they refused to obey.

It's right there in black and white that governors can give lawful orders and the police must obey such orders and if they need further clarification from their heads in Abuja, they are free to do so, but to say he doesn't have powers to control Nigerian police makes no sense,

michlan:
Did you notice that the article you highlighted stated that "subject to the provisions of this section" which you failed to acknowledge.

Try to read this for full details:

https://punchng.com/control-police-president-governors/

Here is an important quote from the link:



That was Mamora, a former speaker and senator. Can you justify the picture you posted along with the instances I stated earlier. Why do you think Adedibu had so much power to disrupt a whole state if the police in the state could be controlled by Ladoja then if not that the then President was backing him. I remember how Ladoha appealed to Obasanjo to end the madness only for Obasanjo to come to Ibadan and state that Adedibu was a bone in the throat and Oyo should endure him. Do you think Adedibu would have been reckless if he was confronting Obasanjo then. The truth is that the influence of State Governors over police activity in their state is merely ceremonial and advisory at best which is subject to ratification by the FG.

Not everyone on this platform are unconversant with politics and history.

I think you missed the OP's point.

We all know that ultimately the power rests with the commander in chief, but we should not confuse ourselves with chain of command, what you quoted and the point that you are making still doesn't discount ot negate the fact that within that framework, the constitution arrogated powers to the governors as chief law enforcement officers to issue lawful commands to the Nigerian police operating in their states and the provisions says that they must obey.

Chain of command or other provisions doesn't take away the powers given to the governors to issue lawful commands to the police in their states. The powers granted to the governors is there for a reason.

The law is right there in black and white, it says the governors can issue lawful orders and the police shall obey such orders and the fact that the police answers to the IG or the president doesn't mean the governors are not equipped with powers to issue orders to the Nigerian police.

The provision you are talking about says the police can seek clarification from their superiors which is perfectly ok, but it doesn't say the governors can not give orders or that the governors doesn't have powers to issue orders to the police.

Read carefully.

The news article you posted is just a news article based on several opinions, not the constitution. The constitution is very clear as posted by the OP so there is no need to max apple and orange.

Frank Odita (A former Commissioner of Police, Lagos State)

The police as of now are a federal parastatal, and the chief security officer of the country is the President. However, the commissioners of police, in their respective states, should be responsible to the governors. This is because the governors are the chief security officers of their states.


https://punchng.com/control-police-president-governors/

Going by your own article, this is from your own article.

mobi99:
who is talking about what he is doing for kaduna, developing them and at the same time killing them, abi ur brain dey pain u?

mobi99:
yes we are biggots, brainless and other tinz u call we igbos. I Rep my tribe IGBO

Are we surprised that this internet noise and meaningless petitions are from outside actors, agitators and destructive elements from the SE?

Don't you people have enough to worry about in your states in the SE?

There killings and communal clashes going on in the SE, but you must die over the North as if it's your mission in life to kill yourself over Northerners.