₦airaland Forum

samuk:
Basically, you are saying I should not believe Zik, but believe you that Zik has no Benin ancestry.

You also suggested that being Benin is beneath you.

You claim that Zik didn't achieve greatness and Achebe is greater than Zik. You also claim that Zik is an unintelligent brag.

On the issue of believing you rather than Zik on his Benin ancestry claim, what did Zik wanted to gain in claiming a lesser Benin heritage according to you.

You claimed that Benin heritage was beneath you and you are strenuously trying to refute Zik's Benin heritage claim, I simply don't get it.

Could you please tell me what was Zik's motive to tell the world that his ancestors were Benin people.

Was he trying to win Benin votes in retirement, what exactly was the gain in his claim if it was not true.

I never stated Bini was beneath me but dont make condescending statement regarding my ancestral roots. I am contented with the origin God placed me. Zik wrote what he was fed with growing up. Now , it's left to you to verify that which he presented as facts. Are they facts ? You know what qualifies a story as a fact.

UdechiHD:
Igbo people may be older than the Bini’s based on archeological findings. However, based on language similarities, we are from one family. Same with many other southern and middlebelt tribes. The major evidence that makes the Igbo’s older than Benin is the excavations from Igbo Ukwu. We may even be siblings - the YEAI group of languages and had once lived in the Nok valley before our dispersions down south.

About Nri making use of the coral beads, you went ahead to show a recent picture as proof. The Bini popularized the bead and not Nri. There are evidence pointing to this fact.
Show us at least a picture of an 19 century person to back your argument.

Well , the excavation at Igboukwu proved my people(Nri and related groups) used stone based beads , fly whisk before the Bini kingdom existed. Bini popularized coral beads which were much newer ,around 17th century. But, before Bini kingdom Nze na Ozo reigned supreme....lmao

You have nothing to fight for ,hence you are willing to fight dirty and discredit our greatness.
The picture I posted was not to prove the time but show difference in the beads

Hey , you can join Bini to attack Nri out of jealousy...cultureless bbastard!

Where is the aristocracy in Zik's background? I cant find it.

samuk:
Nothing delusional about Zik's aristocratic background claim, his is as authentic as it could be.

Before he became, an Igbo, Zik of Africa, Chief, first president of Nigeria and greatest politician from the south east, he was first of a royal blood from one of Africa's greatest empires and civilisations.

You guys can disagree, but be rest assured that your jealousy infused negative thoughts towards this great son of Africa doesn't count because you can't know Zik's history more than Zik himself.

Rather than worry about what Zik wrote about his ancestors, you should research the history of your own family, if it leads back to Benin, you will also be accepted as brother/s, we don't discriminate.

Whenever you think of claiming Zik for the south east alone, always remember his ancestral background and history.

First off, Zik has no Bini ancestry, therefore that nonsense you wrote is nullified. I told you

My ancestry is well known and please, we don't ever wish to be Bini....I dont want to be rude but dont make me. I have already told you that the story Zik told were unsubstantiated but you remained stubborn grasping at straws.

Please and please not once in my life did I ever wish to be related to Bini...I once lived there. I dont want to be offensive here but DONT ever lower me enough to connect me to Bini. You worship your fellow human who you are probably wiser than...Oga I am an Nri offspring!! Get that in your head!

As for Bini kingdom being the biggest in Africa ...lol...I dont want to be mean and put you in your place. I dont envy anything out of Bini. Onicha people can cross over and join you but history must be preserved. Onicha has no Bini ancestry and history shows that.

Finally, I don't celebrate Zik , he is not my hero , I dont look up to him and no Igbo does. He is a typical Onicha man with unmerited ego...Onicha people are brags and anybody who brags carelessly can even claim he is a pile of feces if you told him people would love him for it.

Side note: Zik didn't achieve greatness not more than Achebe. With all his purported intelligence he got played...lol

fratermathy:
Like I care. Lol.

Come and go and kill yourself away for Igbo matter na.

My guy , in as much as you want to hide it your hate towards the Igbo is so blatant. The 2 Uhrobo guys I met in the USA blame all their woes on Igbo. You guys are ffucking sick , its pathetic.


Hate for hate!
Blood for blood!

samuk:
Excerpt:
“One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word ‘Onitsha’. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins, “
“I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N’Idu, , ” “As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc,
” SOURCE – Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) “My
Genealogy and Nativity” p 11 – 12

What do I do with this delusion of grandeur ? Cc. samuk

Lol @ aristocratic background. This thing is so embarrassingly stupid. I will reserve my comments regarding this delusion until an Onicha person shows up and tell me what I dont know

gregyboy:
Ooh,

The History is documented if you like denial it, when the need for the truth arrival someday the truth will be brought out


Because if i say i should debate you or face you in a debate u will bring nri fairytale and i dont do that....... Arguing on myth



Anyhow you reasom am as long it suit you alone

Bring your verifiable facts...lol

Dont bring anything that is not aligned with traditional realities...Like the Zik's story you Bini people love so much but when you are asked to prove it you accuse us of mocking Zik

gregyboy:
We are not claiming igbos as benin
We are yet to even accept the other part of edo as benins not to say far away igbo
Although some very few benin people migrated to those areas to establish kingship
Some was indirect kingship i. E an already established benin kingship in the east break out and migrated to a new settlement were they form another benin kingship

Bini didn't establish any kingship eastwards. What you have were settlements who copied Bini style of kingship. That's why no Igbo settlements east or west of Igbo land has the Obaship appendage. None celebrates Igue....you have migration from Bini but they were inconsequential both in number and culture.

You think too highly of yourselves....lmao

Onego:
no ndokowa west lga

So , are you Igbo or not?

RedboneSmith:
Why? What for?

You don't have to answer the question. It seems you aren't willing to disclose your origin.

As for me, like you may have read here I am from Igwulube Okodu, Umuoji in Idenmili north lga, Anambra. I don't think that was too hard.

Onego:
ogume

Cool, but I wanted to hear from the guy I asked.

Ogume I assume is in Ika,right ?

stonemasonn:
Anambra was not in a mess before Peter Obi.

Anambra was not only a mess but a failed state after Mbadinuju wrecked the state. Obi brought sanity to the state

sweetsell:
1 billion times over Chime's work is the glory Enugu is still standing on. What are the legacy of Obi in Anambra today ? Did I hear you say nothing, not one thing of any significance.

Peter obi's legacy as been completely blown away by Obiano.

You are a miserable self-servicer. Education alone, Anambra was pissing on Enugu till Obi left and continue.
In roads, Anambra has best road network in Nigeria...where is Enugu
In investment....the two states are not comparable
In health, Obi was unmatched.


You are a pitiful loser

gregyboy:
Lol, the coral beads you have are new versions of the benin corql bead

If you dont agree on this one

I will have to request an early 1800 picture of an igbo man wearing bead


Would you say this hand fan his igbo........


This is chief ezomo 1897 pics

You must learn the Bini people are relatively younger to the Igbo people,therefore there are many things you have no knowledge of. We have practiced Nze na Ozo in antiquity before you migrated to your present location and the hand fan(akupe), fly wisk , beads ,etc were nze na ozo paraphernalia. The reddish Igbo beads "aka" are made from a unique stones found in the Omanbala river. The hand fan and horse tail were being used way before Bini kingdom existed. The oldest horse You have been fed a lot of lies by your elders and you swallowed hook line and sinker. The corral beads are very recent because Nri has been using the highly scarce and expensive stone based beads. They are not common and you can only find them mostly among older Ozo men in western Igbo and Anambra.

gregyboy:
He is just saying they have a unique names which are original to thier own people which is not igbo persay but a mixture of edo-igbo names and with a unique spellings

Even amongst the real igbos they have thier individual igbo dialect unique to thier various clan

So as the agbor people he is not saying they are not igbos but he is maintaining that accepting the general igbo culture is what is wrong and he doesn't want that, even if they are igbos he still want to maintain his unique igbo identity which is a mixture of igbo and edo


Osita Osadebe is from atani in anambra an area close to the anioma regions and that is also few km from onitsha, he mainted his anioma name osadebe which can be interpreted as osadeba( god is with me) in benin
This are the unique names indigenous to the anioma areas, he is probably against his fathers to allow total igbo influence on thier people

And he is not been exuberant he is been a good leader to his people

An Atani or Onicha man has more in common with a person from Imo to an Agbor man. Personally , I would want Ika to join Bini. Meanwhile, Osadebe is a common name found primarily i n Anambra and Enuani...so are Osakwe , Mordi , Nwosa , Chukwuma etc. Also , bear in mind that most westrern Igbos were originally from Anambra. Even Ogboli of Onicha has strong Nri elements.

gregyboy:
Have you seen me claiming all the world belonging to igbo or even a benin person creating a thread for it


The thread says the word Ise is fast becoming the general word for amen in the east removing the indigenous ones meaning the word ise was originally distinct from igbos

Ise is a word shared by western igbos and edo we can only draw the conclusion its from edo


Even if usa are world power today it will never rewrite it history that the British never colonized it, and had influenced over it

But over here in nigeria tribalism will not allow the truth to be the truth

Out of million of word in igbiod lexicon benin are telling you one was loaned from them
You won chop me..... Like benin never once at onetime smell of having contact with any igbo at anytime in history


Benin red coral beads are been worn today by igbos and other southern nigeria does it make it not benin owned

Firstly , the Op never said isee was "removing the indigenous one". He maintained he read a book where he saw a variant word in "Ofooo." An intelligent person who has studied the Igbo people may learn the people use various words from clan to clan that means same thing yet different in pronunciation. For instance , some Igbo say "kawo" , "daalu" , "imeela" "deje" ,"deme", "ndewo" and they all mean the same thing , thank you! You Nigerians misunderstand Igbo because of your own ignorance...dont blame us. The Igbo is the most diverse both in language , looks and thoughts. You cant put the Igbo in a box.

First off, Bini doesnt have the clout to colonize nor influence little villages around them and this has been confirmed by the fact that they could barely retain their original tongue and no group around them spoke Bini. You are not powerful and you didnt control jack! Eventually , Igbo will replace your already extinct Bini tongue.

The western Igbo are over 70% Anambra migrants , 10% Edo , 10% Igala , 10% others. They were probably and could be much older than you given their population. You developed a monarchy system and it ends there!

Before Bini learned how to make coral beads we were already making beads for Nze na Ozo titled men using the reddish stones found at the bottom of Omanbala river....Our beads are more reddish and stand out....I will post it

Newmanken:
Funny how people drag their dirty ass outside.
I stayed in onitsha, and am from EKWULOBIA..
Very solid Flyover at Owerri rd was initiated and completed by Mr Obi. Flyovers at old rd was initiated and completed by Obi. All the pedestrian bridges along Lagos road was initiated and completed by Obi. Oguta rd reconstruction was initiated a d completed by Obi. All the government approved schools in the state was visited by Obi and was permitted to demand for any infrastructure of their choice to b built for them. Obi was the only governor that converse with Anambraian on radio and television every week so people can air their complain. Obi was the only governor that doesn't use bullet proof cars. He actually used the money for bulletproof car to buy cars for judges in the state. Obi saved over 100 billion bfr leaving office, yet he never owe anybody. He paid for all the contracts he initiated. He even use to construct federal roads and ask federal government to pay back later. He bought busses for all secondary schools in the state. He bought computers for all the schools and gave them access to internet service. He constructed many roads. All the towns in a Anambra state was affected positively by Obi. He was patriotic, he patronised innoson. He bought 1000 innoson trucks for all the security organizations in the state(the police, army, town securities, church securities, vigilante, Sars etc) he bought innoson jeeps for all local rulars in the state). He actually made innoson popular. He employed over 10000 teachers. He employed people sweeping roads.. Many things, I can't list half...
He is the best politician I've witnessed in this country.
Nobody knew Obiano. It was the influence of Obi that people voted for him, else Ngige could have won flawlessly cus people like him too

Nwanne, dont pay mind to these nonentities like globemony/freeglobe etc. They are paid Peter Obi antagonists. They guys are being constantly paid by political jobbers to attack and defame Peter Obi..Newmanken Cc.

Juliusmalema:
Nnanyelugo.

Nnanyelugo is not a name given at birth. The name is proclaimed at Nze rituals

gregyboy:
We dont have four market days


We have different market days, we have ancient holidays too, and end of year celebration



Every clan in africa have market days

The market days which used to be place of worship which later become the ancient Igbo days of week, were used by your ancestors until the Europeans arrived and you changed it to align with the Roman calendar.

Now , you are claiming a common word nobody knew it's origin just like omi/mmili , okwute/okuta....i didn't see the Igbo or Yoruba claiming these shared words but here you are claiming heavens

So, did all the words shared between southern groups also originate from Bini ?

gregyboy:
Ise is an edo word for amen.....

The word ise spread from anioma to the igbos in fhe east

So , ise is an Edo word , meanwhile, the four market days are not Igbo....lmao

Una go argue tire...lol

Onego:
delta state

I know you are definitely from Delta but I want to know the name of your town or lg

Meanwhile, are you same person as RedboneSmith ?

RedboneSmith:
Well, listen to the view of a trained historian who is himself an Ukwuani man.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ajol.info/index.php/ujah/article/view/166014&ved=2ahUKEwjJqvihgovpAhWyzoUKHRDeB0IQFjAJegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw23kf6oMrinygSF-PAdW55_

May I ask where you are from. ? Cc. RedboneSmith

Igbo Izugbe is an inferior product that is foreign to the Omanbala Igbo and must be done away with. We are beginning to see the decimation of the product through music , movies etc.

UdechiHD:
Mine was a response to Letu’s arrogance that tried to ascribe Isee to Eri and he even went on to belittle it as an IPOB innovation. I only blasted that Ngwa orientation in his head. Isee is an aboriginal Igbo word.

Yes, they are and we can easily tell where they are limited to.

I only added my opinion to the thread.

False, Igbo communities are not losing their individuality. Every clan still speak their dialect. Where there seems to be a change to a more centralized Igbo is usually in Urban areas such as Onitsha, Owerri, Umuahia, Aba, Enugu etc and we know why?
Secondly, these overhyped losing of individuality is over blown by those who want to destroy the fabrics of Igbo Izugbe and they’ll fail in that mission. The central Igbo is only reverting all Igbo groups to the ancestral or let me say purest form of Igbo language.

Who attacked first? Check up Letu and Chinenye’s response and tell me if it’s different from the Eri groups with myopic intentions. They should have told us what they call Isee in their dialects and not denigrate the Isee that is a general word for Amen in Igbo language.

The purpose of this silly twaddle was to attack Nri by an inconsequential soul.

UdechiHD:
We are annoying when those with a faint idea of Igbo origin, language and migrations want to tell a different history. Why didn’t the historians who compiled the Igbo language pick Ngwa, because it isn’t pure. Why did they pick from the Isu/Awka belt. I’m not against what you call Isee in your dialect, but please you and Letu should mind how you castigate Isee. Your Kpoo is not aboriginal but Isee is pure Igbo word for Amen.

The major Igbo groups that can claim authochtonous across the Niger remains those within the Awka/Isu heartland. Historians can attest to this fact with archeological findings. Igbo Ukwu is a proof of this. In Awka they exist an Isuaniocha and in as far as Arochukwu they is still an Isu that didn’t fold to the Aro.

Your Ngwa migrated with Mbaise from Isu to their current location. And no matter how you want to disprove this fact, you should know that the evidence are available.
So when we are talking about Igbo ancestral dialect don’t come and tell us a bastardized form.

It is quite unfortunate that certain groups emerge from non-Igbo areas to claim superiority over the aborigines. The same way the Aro groups emerge to usurp Isu in the south was similar way Eri came to usurped Awka up north.

You are obsessed with Nri and because of this you are making conjectures with information that doesn't align. You want to attack Nri and Eri but since you are bereft of any reasonable information you just grasping at straws....nonsense

Cc. UdechiHD

Iseee or Ofoo are the same thing. Anambra say both

surgical:
Sharon ikeazor

She is politifian, nothing more

superlightning:
There are Igbo women who inspire me, and believe me, it has nothing to do with Physical looks that young ladies today often point to. In no particular order they are as follows -

1. Flora Nwapa: First Female Bestselling Writer in Africa. Her book "Efuru" is widely regarded as an achievement for women in literature. Her memory was honoured by Google doodle last year. Other great female writers like Buchi Emecheta, Chimamanda Adichie, Chika Unigwe, Tricia Nwaubani, etc have all been inspired in one way or the other by this legendary slay mama. Imo state should name an institution after this woman to immortalize. Mumu Rochas didn't even build a monument or statue after this icon.

2. Dora Akunyili: First female DG of NAFDAC. She was regarded as the most effective public servant of the 2000s in Nigeria due to her successful crusade against substandard food and drug products. During her tenure, NAFDAC became recognized by the International Atomic Energy Agency IAEA and World Health Organization WHO as a leading research institute in West Africa. Neighbouring countries like Ghana had to bring their products for testing. Dora is till today the most decorated public servant in Nigeria. She was a proud daughter of Anambra.

3. Capt. Chinyere Onyenucheya: The First Female pilot and woman to fly an aircraft in Nigeria. This ushered her into a club of very few female pilots Africa could boast of.This woman inspired a whole new generation of Nigerian women that what a man can do, a woman can do better. She was the Director of the Nigeria Civil Aviation Authority until her retirement in 2014. She is from Ukwa East in Abia State.

4. Dr. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala: She is Nigeria's First Female Minister of Finance and her efforts in that office helped in the cancellation of Nigeria's foreign debts by the Paris Club. The Harvard and MIT trained Economist was the former Managing Director of World Bank and a favorite for the coveted position of the President of World Bank. Currently she is the Chair of G.A.V.I., Economic Advisor to the South African Government and one of the board directors of Twitter Inc. She is from Ogwashi-Ukwu in Delta State.

What did Flora Nwapa and Onyenaucheya achieved that can be comparable to Chimamanda, Ezekwesili ?

Akunyili.."it is a privilege to be born an onye Anambra "

Adichie.."Anambra dialect is the most elegant Igbo dialect "


Nwapa didn't even win clay pot neither did Onyenaucheya win bamboo stick

superlightning:
my dear brother, you deserve better in life that thing you called your ex. Make a good name for yourself and your people, you will see ladies of all tribes rushing to you like sugar-loving ants.

Ebonyi people are worth being proud of. I'm just as proud of your notable sons and daughters -

1. Akanu Ibiam
2. Sinach
3. Patoranking
4. Tekno
5. Prof ogbu, a renowned US based Anthropologist
6. Dave Umahi
7. Ognonnaya Onu

Keep pushing yourself to greatness....it's in you

I feel bad for the young man but it was apparent from onset the girl didn't love him. Ebonyi should be proud, after all , they are not losers. However, the government should invest in human capital.

Kane Nwankwo visited Ihiala to perform a little ceremony pertaining his ancestry. Decades ago, a contingent from Amoba , Arochukwu , visited my home town , Umuoji , to discuss relocation methods. They claimed their ancestors were originally from Umuoji....does this make any sense ?

superlightning:
you keep mentioning me to get attention, what do you want? as in 'ke ihe ichoro'? okay o....anambra is the trophy of the east, are you now satisfied? insecure loser.

that was how some of you anambra losers years back tried to claim kanu nwankwo as an okija anambarian before he disgraced you lots on TV that he is from amangwu in arochukwu abia state.

you ANAMBARIANS are so damn INSECURE....

How can you accuse us of superiority mindset as attested to by many on this thread and at the same time call us insecure?? Make up your mind, oga. Insecure over what ? There is no single reason for an Anambra born to be insecure....we are high achieving society with beautiful culture , dialect , music , history etc. As you can see , I haven't even mentioned Abia because you are inconsequential. And , just to remind you , this thread was created to attack Anambra thats why I am here. Now , why are you here ? You are obsessed with Omanbala mysteries...lol

Anambra is not competing with Abia...a state that has produced some of the brightest minds on the continent. The state is too endowed , richly blessed and well situated.

Now , why would I want my children to marry elsewhere with all the treasures we hold....Anambra people said....anaro arapu ebe ana echi ozo jebe ebe ana alu agwu