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superlightning:
who said you have to be formal in nairaland? SMH.

You are looking for what to use in talking me down on this thread, and all you could see to use was my lowercap usage in an informal forum. lol....ewu gambito.

Anambra my arse..... Abia's seeming silence in social media spaces has actually brought out the maniac in you lots. we have better things to ponder on, not on omambala losers like you.

you are afraid your dialect would die by intraethnic marriage with other igbos? what can be sicker than that? jeez.

You have anger issues. Anambra is a shinning star with great and beautiful features....onye aburo ona ebe. Nnia Nwodo called the state " trophy and pride od the Igbo nation"....He is not from Anambra. President Jonathan called it the brain box of the nation....He is not Igbo


You are pained because of the level neutral observers placed Anambra.

Cc. Superlightning

superlightning:
another insecure dude on the loose. who do anambra this thing?

Start your sentence with a capital letter. Also , names of places should start with a capital letter. Let's start from these little place and we can move to understand why you are running around this thread trying to convince few you don't feel dwarfed in the presence of Anambra person. I can feel your insecurities from here...your chest pounding out of the ribcage...lol

Cc. Superlightning

okpalaAnambra:
I'm from Anambra but will never marry from Anambra, most of our girls in Anambra are spoilt and have loose pvssy

You wish you were from Anambra...lol

HopeSpencer:
Your BIAFLA will be very entertaining...

Scram!

LLobiorah:
Osagyefo, I sight you. If you like bear meleszenawi, nah you sabi.

You have been duped...lol

Nwanyiogwashi:
All this Anambra people self well we will soon collect Onitsha from you guys when we get Anioma state

Perhaps, we should collect all Enuani towns that trace origin to Omanbala...When we finally get out Orimili state we may take our property back

Cc. Nwanyiogwashi

LLobiorah:
I'm doing exactly what the 'sister state', has been doing to other sister states. Thank you!

Nobody is doing anything to you. Leave Anambra people alone.

Inter state marriage is killing Anambra beautiful dialects...our smooth silky ile Omanbala is endangered! Ndi Anambra, wake up!

I hate inter marriage with Igbo who doesn't speak like Anambra....I married an Anambra girl, myself. Nothing is as formidable as an Anambra couple.

Umueri and Umuleri are equally correct. Umuleri changed to Umueri after the communal squabbles

gregyboy:
Oghene from the east is still unknown talking about the location......

No one ogene never ruling benin

What we are saying ogene is not ife probably nupe, or Zimbabe or even a myth. but benin never had any connections with them

Your own chief submitted a superior king from the east exist that your Oba pay himage to...do you believe this or not ? If not, why did you accept Zik's account ?

davidnazee:
Have you read the autobiography of Olaudah Equiano? He is the first Igbo man to read and write in the 17th century. He was a former slave who after gaining his freedom got an education and was one of the first people to start the abolition of slavery.
In his book he wrote that he was born in Essaka which is around Anambra and that his place was part of Benin Kingdom and they were ruled by the Oba of Benin.

Now, you want to take what Olauda said but disregard the account that puts your Oba beneath a king from the east...you guys are too danm funny

gregyboy:
I think he saw my map and read my post

I have seen many maps and I don't understand your lame point. Abeg , come up with an argument that could hold water....grasping at straws

Let it go, guys...you cant win this!!

samuk:
Okay, I get it, you are saying that Onitsha people are mid Westerners who migrated into Anambra state and keep a low profile when the real indigines are gathered and their Obi will never break kola when some Ezes are present and Zik and his grandmother didn't know what they were saying when they claimed to have come from Benin.

Who can argue with a man of knowledge like you that is more smarter, cleverer and knowledgeable than Zik and his grandmother put together.

Case closed then, we can all go and rest now.

Bini people do not own midwest....Igbo settlements in midwest far out number Bini settlements.

gregyboy:
Lol, i heard this before from an igbo guy but i ignored him


I just want to say something we have islamic calender, roman calender
If the igbo introduced this calender to us in the early nigeria

How did we know eken day( the days reserved for the spirit) in Olds, how we know when to celebrate igue during every end if the year


Benins in ancient times always had thier market days and i dont think it was something particularly to igbo or benins alone but every west africa tribe.......

Because nollywood made it know doesn't change the fact that it is indigenous to the world


If you go to ghana and say shit like this them go comot your teeth

Bini had no days of week before the whites arrived and this much was documented. I cant find the link....Your historians know this.

Not trying to brag , but Nri know the days of the days, months and years.

samuk:
And yet you accused Osagyefo98 of writing gibberish.

The truth is the highest ranking Igbo traditional ruler is the Obi of Onitsha, whether you admit that he is a Benin descendant or a returnee refugee from Benin as you would like to believe.

Obi of Onicha will never break kola before Eze Nri , Igwe Orizu, or even Eze Uzu. However, he is the most politically disposed traditional ruler. Obi Achebe knows this. When Anambra people gather Onicha men keep low profile....I am sure you don't know this. You must think Onicha people had some elevated status...lol


Onicha people lived in the area known Midwest and researchers could prove the location. However, they have tonns of relatives in Anioma and we can use them as historical markers.

Nothing ever suggested Onicha people were speaking Bini at some point in their existence....nothing. They and Aboh people were the first Igbo encountered by the White explorers....lol

Like I told you , people who share borders have a high rate to exchange cultural ideas. If your people were so numerous and influential we would have seen that in your region. All we see are borrowed traditions.

You want to believe Zik's story so quickly but you conveniently ignored the accounts of appointed anthropologists who documented the what they observed and were told when they arrived the Niger.

Didn't your Oba borrow cassock from the Portuguese?

samuk:
Are you sure you will be able to handle the facts.

The truth starts from the Benin meaning of the title, Agboghidi/agbogidi of Obi of Onitsha himself. Then the Benin Eben, traditional sword of authority he carrys, I am not sure any other traditional rulers use it in Igbo land.

You only need to follow Zik autobiography and the traditional sword back into Anioma to know those with Benin kingship.

Anyway, we are not going to turn this thread into Benin/Igbo relationship thread. You guys can create another thread for that purpose.

If you were any smarter than I thought then I would have you know that Bini once used the ancient Igbo days of week before they created one after the arrival of the whites. Uhrobo , Igala etc also practice some ideas they learned from the Igbo yet we knew better not to base that on common ancestry. Before who share bother exchange ideas but that is never a pointer to shared ancestry.

Have you ever wondering why in spite of all the story about Onicha Bini ancestry nobody has ever presented facts ? Its because they don't exist. Onicha has no single factor we could use to verify the purported Bini ancestry. The eben could be borrowed, so was the Iyasele title , Esogba etc but these were very dismissive materials holds no weight for scrutiny.

In Anambra , we have a variant of Agbogidi, Ogalagidi of Aguleri. I told you Bini is very young. You actually borrowed many things from Nri. Many traditional rulers in SE carries eben. Not a big deal....Bini were not the first to make swords

Holler when you can present facts that proves Zik was correct.

samuk:
You guys are very funny, your brother, Osagyefo98 came here and wanted to use the Name of Zik to gloat and raise his shudders over Benin because of the role Zik played in the actualization of the Mid West region.

He even accused the Benin of hating Zik and that Zik will be regretting in his grave.

Your brother was told that no one hate Zik in the entire mid west and he was reminded not to raise his shudders and gloat too much because we see Zik as one of our own and I provided prove in Zik's own voice.

You are now angry that I have wiped the shine off your faces, because you wanted us to celebrate Zik's help as Igbo help to mid west only, Zik's Benin ancestral lineage just spoil everything.

Zik's role in the actualization of mid west is seen as help from a son of the soil and son of the Oba of Benin. So deal with it.

Igbo people are very republican minded and we don't always follow the same line of argument....I will debate the guy you call my brother and make his argument look stupid. I don't jump on bandwagon I do not understand it's mission.

Half of the time , Osagyefo is writing gibberish...intelligent guy but argues but yaps alot of nonsense.

samuk:
If you are accusing Zik of fabrication, the question any sane person would like to know is, why would the great Zik of Africa, first president of Nigeria fabricate his history and what did he stand to gain after attaining the highest pinnacle of governance in Nigeria.

What does this great man stand to gain to fabricate his history in retirement after he had achieved everything achievable and possible in life and in Nigeria.

I , personally, don't agree the Owelle Osowa-Anya believed that Bini ancestry. Rather , I have a big problem with Bini revisionists masturbating on the lame story because you want Onicha so badly because of our culture , commerce and strategic position. It ' d be much easier for you to claim Igbanke and Agbor than Onicha. But , again , Agbor has been heavily Igbonized and their Obi is pissed...lmao

Bini will never grow bigger than it is today , rather it will keep reducing. You lot need to understand that time changes and this influence so many factors that might favour you or not. If I were you I would be very nice to the Igbos because your unimaginable will happen , eventually.

They prey on gullible and inferior minded western peripheral Igbo to grow their little chiefdom and rack up some political influence to their own selfish interest. Egypt will never rise again !!

samuk:
Zik story has been presented the way it was written, why shot the messager.

Zik's story is not a material used in the academic community. Researched texts is what is used not some tales by the moonlight. You Bini people should worry about your extinct language

samuk:
Your argument should rather be with Zik and his grandmother, or don't you think so.

Not so fast. You believe an obvious fabrication because it makes you feel good but when they Yoruba boys pull the same card you cry blue murder. You are a disgusting hypocrite...Bini my a.ss. You people are mischievous as a devil.

Bleep Zik and his unlettered grand parents...Bring a historian forth! Zik story is a mockery to students of history and anybody that believes it is a miserable and pitiful. You Bini people are shameless including your little god, Oba Akhenzua II. Onicha Ado has absolutely nothing to suggest a Bini ancestry

These Bini delusionists act like Zik's story is the holy grail of unwritten history. Zik is not a historian, just an uninformed observer regurgitating what he was taught

samuk:
You think Zik and his grandmother didn't know about Nri when Zik wrote his autobiography.

Did any Benin person force Zik to write what he wrote, did Zik even say he went to Benin to do his research.

Zik quoted his grandmother, how old do you think Zik's grandmother would have been considering that Zik was born in 1904.

If you decided to look the history back logically, Zik grandmother would have certainly be born in the late 1700s or sometimes in the 1800s, few generations from when Oba Esigie that Zik grandmother mentioned ruled Benin.

Do you even realised that during the 2019 Onitsha Ofala festival, the Onitsha youths, both men and women came out in Benin traditional attire, I guess you are not even from Onitsha.

Benin culture was fully represented.

What makes you guys think you know the history of Zik lineage and Onitsha people more than Zik.

Like I said before we shouldn't start discussing Benin relationship with various Igbo tribes on this thread.

Benin empire interacted with almost every tribes in southern and middle belt Nigeria.

https://www.nairaland.com/5466682/onitsha-ofala-festival-obi-onitsha#83046283

During the Ofala, the youths of Onicha came out in traditional regalia representing all major Nigerian ethnic groups including Yorubas, Igala , Efik, Hausa etc.

Stop harping on a research loss story told by a people w/o a documented history...a history that can't be proved by facts on grounds. No historian ever attributed Onicha ancestry to Bini.

According to HRH Agbogidi Obi Achebe " the case of Onicha is a reverse migration " , " we are Igbos"....deal with this

samuk:
How can any sane Midwesterner or Bendelite or Edo/Delta person hate their own son Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe. A very proud Benin descendant that wrote a whole book to celebrate his Benin ancestral lineage.

It's the Igbo that hate Zik for telling the truth in his autobiography.

You are just desperately looking for how to start another ethnic tribal war on Nairaland between Benin and Igbo and hopes the Benin lectured you along the way about various Igbo tribes, the way Yorubas were schooled and they finally run away.

Hope nobody will have your time. Go and read Zik autobiography and come back and tell us why will any Edo/Delta person hate him.

Zik was very much loved and we will continue to love, cherished and see him as one of our own. It's some Igbo people that hate him for his truth.

If Zik have any regrets, it will be against ignorant Igbo like yourself who are calling him stupid for writing about his Benin root.

If you guys have any issues about what he wrote, you wait until you meet him to confront him and ask him for further explanations, those of you that can't wait, reserve the right to immediately go and meet him wherever he his to confront him and leave Benin out of it.

Find yourself a copy of Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography and history of Onitsha people to read.
Below is an extract.

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

Another delusion of grandeur from yet another Bini loser and hopeless revisionist. It hurts when you looked around and find out you have no tangible influence to go with your over bloated ego When Onicha people are ready they can unlearn everything we taught them and swim over on the other side...nonsense!

Without us the wretched Onicha people would be worse than their relatives in Delta , whom for some strange reasons you don't claim , but you want our immigrants

samuk:
How can any sane Midwesterner or Bendelite or Edo/Delta person hate their own son Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe. A very proud Benin descendant that wrote a whole book to celebrate his Benin ancestral lineage.

It's the Igbo that hate Zik for telling the truth in his autobiography.

You are just desperately looking for how to start another ethnic tribal war on Nairaland between Benin and Igbo and hopes the Benin lectured you along the way about various Igbo tribes, the way Yorubas were schooled and they finally run away.

Hope nobody will have your time. Go and read Zik autobiography and come back and tell us why will any Edo/Delta person hate him.

Zik was very much loved and we will continue to love, cherished and see him as one of our own. It's some Igbo people that hate him for his truth.

If Zik have any regrets, it will be against ignorant Igbo like yourself who are calling him stupid for writing about his Benin root.

If you guys have any issues about what he wrote, you wait until you meet him to confront him and ask him for further explanations, those of you that can't wait, reserve the right to immediately go and meet him wherever he his to confront him and leave Benin out of it.

Find yourself a copy of Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography and history of Onitsha people to read.
Below is an extract.

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

You Bini lot have been educated many times that to disregard that tales by the moon light told by Zik , but , you turn a blind eye and believed what the man told because it makes you feel good. Once , more, that Zik's tale can't stand the weakest scrutiny in the academic community. Even a monkey can tell you the story is stupid but our Bini people, in their attempt to push an influence and dominance they obviously lack want to claim e everything, including the Onicha retards that we the Omanbala cleaned up upon their arrival and have them eat with our nobles.

Areafada, you never even save your little Bini na Ghana and Togo you wan enter

gregyboy:
We were never brothers to this weakling who hide behind false history to attach benin grestness to itself


If you have been following the thread you will know Oduduwa never existed it was a political stage myth


Because britsh conquered nigeria and nigeria inturn practice british culture does that equate nigeria and Britain as brothers


Why would you be supporting nonsense, if you want to mediate then go back to the beginning of thread and readto the last dont just come and say rubbish because you want to make peace


You as an igbo you will be the first to insult benins if we say onistcha people come from benin

Nobody would insult you if you make an unfounded claim , such as Onicha has Bini ancestry, rather he would gladly ask you to show the tiniest proof. Of course , you have no proof , however, your only support is " they said" ....nothing more and you think you deserve respect.

The problem with you Bini people is that you dare try to over emphasize, over state and over hype your little village chiefdom , though you have little to prove your purported greatness and influence....your language is barely alive, nigga! Abeg , go bow to your Oba and leave us alone.

AreaFada2:
Same thing we are saying. You know reality on ground and everything else than what Dr Zik saw in his over 91 years in this world.

You be real MVP. Clap for yourself sir.

Yes, my hometown is a stone throw away from Onicha and we were there when they crossed the Niger and knew the identity they bore. A billion Ziks can't win this debate. Interestingly, you reject the source of the report that had your Bini chiefs on record acknowledging a superior king in the east yet you quickly accepted the account of a man who was basically regurgitating the falsehood he was fed growing up. Go to your village and debate with drunks....you are a neophyte in this.