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samuk:
Are sure Igbo aren't really interested in Benin history after presenting you with documentary videos of Igbo from Nri or Agueleri, the heartland of Igbo claiming the entire Benin history including the Oba himself. The real Igbos from Nri are falling over themselves to claim Benin history and someone from a little known village in the fringes of Igbo land is here telling the audience how Igbo is not interested in Benin history, what a pretentious fallacious statement

I would have expected you by now to travel to Nri and tell the elders there how wrong you think they are but instead you are here pretending to be speaking for the Igbos in a faceless forum.

All major tribes in southern Nigeria are fixated with Benin history, the envy oozes to high heavens. We have seen Yoruba done it and now witnessing Igbo doing it. You can't tell me you are speaking for Igbos after I have seen videos of Igbo elders from the heartland of Igbo excitingly showcasing their own versions of Benin/Igbo connection to the entire world to see.

I need to laugh at this because it's just hilarious. You Bini or whatever think yourself too important just because of those inferior Ikas that give you too much attention.


But , first of all, take a closer look at my handle, IDE-NNAA (Idemmili of my ancestors), if you know Idemmili in Anambra very then you would know I am from the east. Secondly, the towns of Idemmili like Umuoji, Abatete , Nkpor/Umuideke , Ojoto , Nnokwa etc have strong Nri presence. Based on this premise I wonder where you get the idea that we , the Nri are "claiming" your history. What history do you have that could be more beautiful than my elegant culture. In case you dont know , the vast majority of Igbo consider your culture fetish , diabolic and dirty. You are not that important to the Igbo.

By the way , I didn't watch that video...why would I watch some videos made by some confused entities. Are they historians?

Igbo is too mighty to concern ourselves with one village king at Bini. We don't revel on things with little significance. Bini is insignificant!

samuk:
Nna biko leave that thing. You expect me to believe you didn't watch the video. Even if you didn't watch it, others did and it's now official that it's not just the Yoruba that are laying claim to the Oba of Benin, the Igbos also have their claim.

You are busy looking for the alleged slaves descendants in Delta state whilst your Igbo brothers have moved many steps ahead to the stage of even appropriating the entire Benin kingdom and the Oba to themselves. Guy, your people have left you behind, you need to catch up. leave the slave history for Reno and concentrate on the modern day historical narratives by your people. Nothing to be embarrassed about. The Yoruba have been doing exactly the same thing since 1930 and you guys have been clapping for them, hope they also support and clap for you for trying to steal their fairytale.

Igbos aren't really interested in Bini history because it doesn't interest us. We debate some western Igbo on their Bini ancestry claims and that's how you people get into our discussion, otherwise , we careless about what happens in your land. You are really a sub-tribe of Yoruba. That's who you share blood with. Can't you see Bini never crossed Anioma...you only fought communities in the periphery of Anioma. Igbo get strong head ooo

Etinosa1234:
who told u that we borrowed it from u?

do u have proof of that?

what if u were the ones who borrowed it from us

u think an organised kingdom like us wont already have its own means to count and form days of the week

who do u think we are



is eze nri power over the whole of igboland political or spiritual?

i thought igbo enwe eze

besides the reason why I brought that up was the way he described Benin as a place where people lived on trees and no form of civilization whatsoever

Because the days are all existing deities at Nri.
Eze Nri is a divine king not a monarch.

I don't have any issue with Bini but don't undermine the intelligence of ancient Igbo...they were badass

BSsniffer:


When Reno was massaging their small balls and big egos they were full of praises of reno.

Now that he's giving them a little history lesson on how they were once slaves Reno has now turned to an igbo hater.

A tribe of egotistical money worshipping humans who can't handle criticism or opposite arguments. High level group narcissism and marginalization complex. What's paining them is the thought that they were once slaves to the "commo" bini.. opening threads upon threads to treat their wounded ego. Lol, from ffk to Reno.....

So, if someone decides it's ok to misrepresent a people's history he should not be corrected ? You can't be this ddummb!

Without life vest ?

He disclosed that ‘Iguaro Eze Nri’ used to be the biggest festival in Igbo land, performed in the palace of Eze Nri by Eze Nri, dating from 900AD. And that the Onitsha people in 1750 AD introduced ‘Ofala’: a festival very similar to Nri yam festival of ‘Onwasato’ celebrated in the 8th month of the Igbo year, when Onitsha was founded. Onwuejeogwu in one of his publication, “An Igbo Civilisation: Nri Kingdom and Hegemony” (1981), graphically shows the proclamation of Igbo New Year as one of the ten mystical powers of Eze Nri.

Speaking on the concept of the year deriving from 13 lunar months, Prince Onyesoh noted; “Before the British liquidation in August 1911, Nri had developed its concept of “Aro” – the year. As earlier stated, “Aro” is a supernatural force revealed to Eze Nri in the past; then Nri transformed it into a cycle of one year. “Aro” is divided into thirteen segments, namely: ‘Onwa Agumaro’, usually falls around mid February of the Gregorian calendar. This is the month for the proclamation of the beginning of the Igbo lunar calendar by Eze Nri for all Igbo. It is followed by ‘Onwa Mbu, Onwa Abuo, Onwa Ife Eke, Onwa Ano, Onwa Agwu, Onwa Ifejioku, Onwa Iliji, Onwa Ilommuo “Onwasato”, Onwa Ana, Onwa Okike, Onwa Ajana na Edeaja, Onwa Uzo Alusi.’

“The lunar system of calculating the year with a system of adjustment, were known to the Nri priests of Alusi Aro. Knowledge of the movement of the heavenly bodies was employed. Northcote Thomas (MA, FRAI) the colonial government anthropologist in 1910, identified and reported that he got “names for the following heavenly bodies at Agukwu, Nri: “Pleiades, Orion and Great Bera”. Nri elders had clear knowledge of these stars and others, which helped them in calculating the intervals between each lunar period and finding the directions during their sojourn from one Igbo-village to another in both the semi-forest and forest zones.”

Igbo had knowledge of astronomy and movements of celestial bodies

Etinosa1234:
Why borrow our monarchical system in the first place if urs was not bad

We Benin were organised in our government which was heavily recorded in history.. That's why we have a clear list of our past Obas right from the year 1200 to present. Which is why your asses sought to pattern urs after ours...

Igbos on Nairaland: we are Republicans, Igbo enwe eze, everybody is equal in Igbo land, we don't Bow to our fellow man like other tribes do..

Igbos offline:

Why borrow Igbo days of the week if you had one.
Why borrow Portuguese Rev. Father cassok if you had your mode of dressings.


Igbo has a well designed dating calendar before the Gregorian calender. We have 9 months in this calendar and 4 days in a week.

We also have a list of all the Eze Nri chronologically arranged to date.

Who do you think we are !

Ariani:
And more still, there atleast up to 12 more "Onicha" scattered in all five SE states and Anioma and not one single "Onicha" outside Igbo speaking realm.

Onicha-Nike (Enugu)
Onicha- Uboma(Imo)
Onicha- Ezike( Enugu)
Onicha Igboeze( Ebonyi)
Onicha- Ngwa( Abia)
Onicha-Ukwuani (Delta Ukwuani)
Onicha-Olona( Delta Enu-ani)
Onicha-Ugbo( Delta Enu-ani)
Onicha-Uku (Delta Enu-ani)


Above are few examples off my head.

They are struggling to understand the Igbo because they are trying to view us through their local template....we are too abstract for them to understand....lol

"how come Igbo don't have monarchy and they are proud" .....lmao

aribisala0:
The Eegbows tout this Enwe eze rubbish to project themselves as republican egalitarian as opposed to the feudal north and Yoruba.

That is the narrative you try to project when we know it is just part of your narcissistic projection

You have an idealized view of yourselves and a devalued view of others while the reality is very different

We have seen rulers dethroned in the north so that claim is false
In the West we have seen women regents and so on


The point is the way you project yourself is very different from what you really are

Cry cry baby...cry me a river, ppunk !

We respect ourselves and stay on our lane until you carry your madness enter and we show you double. We are travelers and merchants all over Africa , and everywhere we go success follow us because we are civil in our dealings with host communities.

Many people from my home town made fortune in Cameroon and Ivory Coast in the 80s because the host communities accepted and love these Igbo. We are never looking down on anybody until you strike.

You are a troll!

aribisala0:
You don't know the meanings because they were settled by people that did not speak your language.

After the slave trade ended the huge population of unsold slaves took over these places

Ask Reno Omokri he can confirm it?

You are sick in the head. These communities I mentioned predates Bini and Aro....i am done with you because you are simply unteachable

aribisala0:
So they are not egaltarian republicans ?

Are they republican egalitarians? or just a republic of egality?

Onicha , Ugwuta and Obosi are all egalitarian society with a king who can be easily dethroned at ease. It's shows the system of the kingship has a weakened center--in line with Igbo world view. They do not practice what you have in Bini.

aribisala0:
Well we know that Onitsha is not Eegbow land
Hence it has no meaning in Eegbow language and their king is caled Obi

This man are you ok.

According to an Onicha high chief , not that I believe that , Onicha mean "Onili ncha" which means overcoming all obstacles and this is an Igbo language.

But , to further explain your confusion; there are other Igbo towns we don't know the meaning of their names. Examples are Okodu, Obosi , Ogidi , Uke , Nri etc.

Ariani:
Does Eze sound like Edo world to you?

Igbo enwe Eze yet we have word for Eze that remains same from Igbanke in Edo State, to Isobo in Cross River, and from Umuezekhoha in Benue to Ikwerre in Rivers State?

Where is your Brain?

Igbos had Ezes but they were stripped of powers and rendered ceremonial.
So yes we have Ezes, yet they were and are not Ezes in the real sense of what a King entails.
Hence Igbo enwe Eze is hard for a non Igbo to understand.

In Igbo we say: Eze bu ilo/iro meaning a King is an Enemy. We bear this as a name too to remind us why we don't want kings.

The ancient Igbos knew that the Idea of King with King powers is not beneficial to the people, so they either made away totally with kings, or retained kings but only as ceremonial vestiges and in priestly roles, to keep their powers well checked.

So yes! Igbo enwe Eze!

The Igbo philosophy teaches against bestowing too much power on a single person....Igbo enwe eze is real , but it beats their imagination...lol

aribisala0:
Good

So how did that arrive in Oguta?

Did they download an App?

Ugwuta migrated from Anioma, just like Ogbaru and Exechima lineage of Obosi.

Ariani:
Patterned inform of regalia and some other stuffs.
That's all about it.

Obi of Onitsha is not an authoritarian who dictated for Onitsha people.
There was Nze na Ozo
There was Ofo na Ogu, etc.

They borrowed the flamboyancy of your Monarchy but not the power of the Oba.

And mind you, the Bini Oba is a direct offshoot of Yoruba Oba, who civilized the bush Ogies of the Ogisos era and relegated them to the background and rule over them and their decendants till today.
I remember that the decendants of the Ogiemein are still in court today fighting to overthrow the Yoruba Oba rulling in Bini today. When you remember that Onitsha Igbo ancestors were in Ife and know a lot about Yoruba Obaship, you can begin to connect the dots.
So who knows, if we go to the root of it , it could as well be that Onitsha borrowed the Monarchy from Ife and not Bini, either way, Onitsha Monarchy was modified into acceptable Igbo tenets of democracy and Republicanism.
How about that?

I wouldn't use the word "patterned" , rather borrowed the idea of monarchy. Everything about Onicha is 99.9 % Igbo.

Nze na Ozo
Agbalanze
Otu Ozu
Ijele
Music style
Chants
Dance
Ufie
Egwu ota by Agbogidi
Food
Names
Languages.....i said 99.9 % Igbo and this is coming from their neighbors who intermarried and interacted with them for centuries.

aribisala0:
What does Iyasara mean in Igbo language

You do not know your history and are just bluffing

All kings are as a result of foreign conquest and or migrations or colonialism

Iyasere/Iyasele is a borrowed Bini title just like Esogba(Bini) /Ozoma (Anioma/Onicha). We shared cultures with Igala , Bini and Idoma etc. Bini used Igbo days of the week.

aribisala0:
So it is no no more Eegboew enwe Eze but Eegboew enwe Eze that are dictators?

Funny peeps


So other Eegbowes don't have priests?

Is Eze Aro priest of Ibini Ukpabi?

Guy The Nnubi dynasty rule to this day


Akuma and his brother were warriors
How did warriors morph into a Priest king?

What did the Eeegbows know about the Ibini Ukpabi , Ekpe society and the Akpa cults?

You do not even know how to lie

You lie like a child

Igbo enweze means no man can dictate to all the Igbo. You aee not a native speaker !

Boudiccao:
The Aros that sold slaves in my igbo community and settled in many igbo towns never identified themselves as strangers to other Igbos.

Igbo people didn't go by the term igbo back in the days, they all identified themselves with their sub group and Aro just like others wanted to maintain their sub group identity then. Aro is historically formed by almagamating igbo people and some Akpa folks.


Aro is an Igbo group.
Cry!!

The whole purpose is to discredit Igbo just like they are currently making assumptions Nri was Igala.

Ariani:
... to hear an account of the Benin massacre of 1897 and its sequel from one who had taken part. It is a story that still has power to amaze and horrify, as well as to remind us that the British had motives for pushing into Africa other than the intention to exploit the natives and glorify themselves. Here, for instance, are some extracts from the diary of a surgeon who took part in the expedition.:- 'As we neared Benin City we passed several human sacrifices, live women slaves gagged and pegged on their backs to the ground, the abdominal wall being cut in the form of a cross, and the uninjured gut hanging out. These poor women were allowed to die like this in the sun. Men slaves, with their hands tied at the back and feet lashed together, also gagged, were lying about. As we neared the city, sacrificed human beings were lying in the path and bush—even in the king's compound the sight and stench of them was awful. Dead and mutilated bodies were everywhere — by God! May I never see such sights again! .

Such were the doings of our sophisticated greatest empire ever build on earth. Civilization indeed!

Etinosa1234:
No man born of a woman ventured into Igbo land and made it out alive.. but they hate Gowon for wetin he use their grandparents eyes see

Well, the brother exaggerated a bit but in the precolonial era the Igbo hinterland was very scary and unforgiving.

ayoola27:
Lol u are the dumb one

Same way that nok was not an Empire is the same way Igbo never had an Empire

See as u dey spill trash sef...

Are civilizations not made from societies..?

Did anyone say Igbo ever build an empire ? We had Nri ancient kingdom that has hegemony over larger parts of Igbo land and beyond. We are not empire builders.

Etinosa1234:
They are a tribe who don't have a leader and are Republican but they have monarchical system that is of the same pattern with the Benin who they regard as inferior

One day, we'll talk abt if the Igbos were completely Republican as they say

Our pattern of settlement lends credence to our Republican nature. Every decision we make goes through many layers of deliberations; umu okpu( daughters of the land and very powerful) , ndi Nze na Ozo and its many categories( initiated noble class) , age grades , Eze ani ( head of customs and traditions) etc. These groups ensures checks and balance in dispensation of justice in many parts of Igbo land.

Bros , Igbo culture is so colorful by how everybody plays a role. For instance , I can challenge the position of our traditional ruler and call his bluff....but can you ever try that in Bini even if everyone knows the Oba is wrong. Dont you guys call him the "god"...for our philosophy , thats too much power given to one man who is probably not the wisest in the land. But , I respect your culture, still.

ejibaba:
I just taught you because I’m from there.

Where are you from ? I am from Idemmili , Anambra.

Let the game begin. What made you think Ndi Onicha have Bini ancestry

ejibaba:
Laugh..Bros, I don’t know where you are from but if you are from loins of ezechima. You are from bini

Says who ? Who taught you that ?

Walkee:
the initial system of governance prior to the Oba dynasty moved from house to house. What were igbos doing in far away ile ife? If that account were true why aren't there native Igbos in ife like we have Ikas here?
That whole story does not even make an iota of sense

People migrate according to economic changes. If your area of settlement become uninhabitable you will move and find a better location.

I am from a town next to Onicha and our culture are like 90% similar yet we are Nri-Awka cultured people.

distributeinc:
Your fore fathers were running around naked in the bush, when our Empire was colonizing towns, enslaving box heads like you, and collecting passage levies. Y'all are dumb and clownish as always, you people never have nothing intelligent in those box heads of yours. Talking trash.

You were terrorizing little Edoid tribes. You should have ventured into Anioma....lmao

distributeinc:
You can see the great minds in the classical exclusive bronze works, in the civilized way we lived back then, when your progenitors were still walking around naked, we built structures, defences(Benin moat) etc, built an Empire that stretches down to Dahomey, streets paved with lights, built soldiers that pushed back the fulani jihadists, conquered territories, we did all these thousands of years ago. Intellectual intelligence is not all about writing books.

You meant you build tarred roads and electric lights....lmao

You savaged were beheading babbies for human sacrifices. After the British invation all your shrines were littered with human heads of innocent virgins and babies....my God , you people are cursed!!

But Igbo made more sophisticated metal work than Bini. Isn't that so ?

Where is your Emeagwali
Where is your Kanu
Where is your Okocha
Chimamanda
Okonjo
Achebe
Pius Okigbo

Walkee:
lol you have comprehensive issues?
I said onicha was founded by the benins
https://www.britannica.com/place/Onitsha-Nigeria

If we are to go by the anichebe version which is also the Benin version it's even worse.
Chima the son of the Oba who was most likely birthed by Ika slave was denied the throne so he took some loyalist and migrated far away across the Niger.
I was basically talking about Onitsha being founded by Benin adventurers and modeled after the Benin monarchy.

Wait , where the Obi of Onicha say Onicha was founded by Bini people (people of Bini ancestry) ? And , do you even know the history and traditions of Onicha ?

Of course , Onicha borrowed Bini titles like Iyasele , Esogba/Ozoma etc but their traditions and naming styles are 99.9% Igbo. Their shrines are Igbo shrines. You can't win this because the evidence is too great

More shared words/etymology.

E pada/ gbadaa , both mean different things but they both had to do with movements.

E jalo/ kaije both mean the same thing. Let's go.