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This is the recompense of those who fight against God and His
Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they
shall be SLAUGHTERED, or CRUCIFIED, or their hands and feet shall
alternately be STRUCK OFF; or they shall be banished from the land.
That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come
awaits them a mighty chastisement,
except for such as repent, before you have power over them. So know
you that God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate."
*** Notice how you can slay a person if the person spreads corruption in
the land or as some translations call it, "mischief". This "corruption in
the land" or "mischief" can mean anything such as Preaching the
Gospel of Christ, making Muslims uncomfortable by questioning the
Qu'ran or Muhammed, drawing Mohammed, supporting western education
etc This has therefore been an excused used by Jihadists like
BokoHaram, ISIS, Hamas, hezbollah, Al shabba, Alqueda etc to murder,
kill and destroy.
Finally a very brief explanation of the verse by an Ex-Muslim-
We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person -
unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land- it would
be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would
be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came
to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of
them continued to commit excesses in the land.

vedaxcool:
Recently a certain career liar whose behavior can best be describe as a decent into savage greed and willful dishonesty posted a thread on Islam and labelled tarqiyyah its most powerful weapon, but Islam has no need for weapons, Truth is Islam, Truth is what Islam preaches.
The truthfulness associated with the Holy Prophet Muhammad Pbuh made people during his life time call him the trustworthy. So the Prophet Muhammad Pbuh was acknowledged by those who lived during his life time as being one who is truthful and did not promote deceit or dishonesty.

What Does Islam Preaches? Islam preaches submission to Allah by obeying all his command, being righteous, truthful, just, etc.

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Islam unlike Christianity gains nothing from the death of people or its followers Allah is not pleased by the deaths of good people, Tarqiyyah is permitted because Islam places a huge importance on the lives of the humanity, that is why we read in the Qurán; Al- Quran 5:32

“…if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people"


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The popular delivery
of the verse says;
From Qu'ran 5:32, “...If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew
the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved
the life of the whole people.”
Now let's look at a popular early Muslim interpretation;
According to the highly respected Qur'anic exegesis of Ibn Kathir-
early Qur'anic commentator and Tabi'un, Sayid ibn Jubayr (who lived at
the time of ProphetMuhammad, and was a companion ofAisha), had said:
[ ﻓَﻜَﺄَﻧَّﻤَﺎ ﻗَﺘَﻞَ ﺍﻟﻨَّﺎﺱَ ﺟَﻤِﻴﻌﺎً ]
.....Sa`id bin Jubayr said, "He who allows himself to shed the blood of a
Muslim, is like he who allows shedding the blood of all people. He who
forbids shedding the blood of one Muslim, is like he who forbids
shedding the blood of all people."
**So early understanding of the verse claims it applies only to shedding
the blood of a believer(Muslim). This can be disputed so let's go back to
the Qu'ran.
The Fuller context says;
Qu'ran 5:32-34, "On that account: Therefore we prescribed for the
Children of Israel that who so slays a soul not to retaliate for a soul
slain, nor for corruption done in the land, shall be as if he had slain
mankind altogether; and who so gives life to a soul, shall be as if he has
given life to mankind altogether. Our Messengers have already come to
them with the clear signs; then many of them thereafter commit
excesses in the earth.

kay1one2:
Maybe you should go amd read foxe's book of matyrs and find the names out yourself. Hiding behind me mentioning names of people who lived in 600ad is not convincing one bit!

Kay and papist u guys need to chill.. Tho dialogue is necessary but ur tones are very confrontational.

Protestants and Catholics are doing great works today. In the past there has been "naughty" deeds by both parties, the Catholics have a long complex history, some which is not nice eg, a hand full of evil popes, wars, inquisitions but Christianity owes a lot to the Good Catholics who have done a lot of Good through the ages.
Let's not forget visionary men like Martin Luther who fought hard to translate the bible, hence bringing the word of God closer to the people despite resistance from the then pope, let's not forget William tindale who was murdered for his effort to translate the bible.

Today, universally, Catholics have consistently and firmly stood against homosexuality, abortion and capital punishment in line with the Bible. While several fractions of protestants/pentecostals have buckled to pressure and accepted them.
Catholics have consistently emphasised salvation while several protestants teach almost entirely on prosperity, miracle healing etc Venerating saints to the point of having status of them is wrong but Catholics do it.

Humans are consistently imperfect and hence we shall always fall short but pointing fingers and disparaging other effort making Christians is wrong be it catholic or protestant.

Esdb3:
This may come as a surprise to some people. But yes Catholics are not christians. Some people especially muslims use the works of the catholic crusaders to represent violent terrors by 'christians'. Sorry you are wrong, catholics are just catholics. The fact that they broke the number 2 commandment is enough reason. The command states that "thou shall not bow down to any graven image representing anything in heaven or on earth. They bow down to statues.

Another reason is they don't obey the most important commandment that states "thou shalt have no other God before me".
They worship mary or they pray to her rather. These are reasons enough, to disprove their credibility as 'christians'.

So please the POPE is not well for me, the christian leader. And the crooked islamists should stop terming their actions as on behalf of christians.

And also their doctrine of 'father' not marrying is baseless arguably.



Now seun why can muslims quote christians without taking oaths but christians can't?? It is not good o. Islam oppresses us in the real world and here again?!!! On a site created by a christian??!! Hmmmm. This world is not our home.

Apparently u have several issues with ur post.. U don't have ur "facts" right.
1. seun is not a Christian
2. The Islamic section is necessary to avoid fatwas and death threats
3. Catholics don't worship Mary
4. The crusades was neccesary..if u have studied it you will know that Muslims were murdering whole Christian communities in their jihadist quest to dominate the world, Spain, Byzantine, turkey, etc all fell to blood thrist Muslims, Spain was liberated thanks to the crusades and Spaniards went on later to discover America.
5. The "no marriage" practise is in the bible, its a sacrifice that u make if u are ready to make it.. Jesus, Paul and several disciplines died without marrying. Paul even said in one of his letter that u can go unmmarried to serve God if u can cope but if u can't then marry as soon as u can

But u are right about something, any Catholic or protestant christian who bows to status, or persons or fears his preists or pastors more than God is not worthy to be called a christian.

SalC:
Sentiments apart, do you believe Mohhammed was worse than Hitler?

Mohammed was far worse, for 1400 years till this day his foot soldiers still murder innocent people.

Gim2001ym:
SOCIAL MEDIA IS KILLING YOU

Think of it, imagine it, and bring it to calculation. Think of how many hours you spend daily fantasizing or socializing on social media such as Facebook, Twitter, instagram and YouTube. Check the number of hours.

If the same time is being used to invest in yourself (personal development) and in your career (professional development). Imagine where you would have been today.

It is said that you become a master in your field, job, or profession with at least 10000 hours of investment or 7 years of diligently working on your career.

Imagine if you convert half of that time to read books, listen to audio tapes or attend seminar to become a better you. Imagine where you would have been today.

Brain Tracy said “no matter the career you choose, if you invest two hours daily in reading books, listening to tapes on how to better your career. In 3-5 years you will become a national authority in that area and imagine what your pay cheque will be. In fact, you will be signing your pay cheque by yourself.

That is the different between the top 20% of people that earn all the money to the bottom 80% of the people that are struggling. That is Pareto principle.

It is time to have a rethink on the number of hours you spend socializing. That you don’t have a job or you are looking for one does not mean you should be wasting away and wasting your time.

And if you don’t know……………
Mark Zukerberg the Facebook owner worths $33.3 billion dollars as at July 15th 2014 and made $1.6 billion dollar that same day. On a single day
Evan Williams the former twitter CEO with the highest share worths $2.9 billion
The former owner of instagram Kelvin Systrom and Mike Kreiger shared over $1 billion.
Those are the owners of those big social medias who worth billions of dollar and hardly spend time on social media but spend the chunk of their time developing their lives and work

Now I ask you the great social media users who waste hours every day, how much do you worth? Probably you are still struggling. That is a reason why you must rethink. This is a hard pill to swallow.

Convert those hours you use socializing into more profitable hours by spending at least 2 hours of your time daily reading and listening to audio tapes that develop your mind: your greatest earning power.

Most of us know so much about others and we know little or nothing about ourselves. Spend those hours to discover yourself. Forget about your poor or parental background, lack of education or whatever excuse you think is holding you down. Most of American Millionaire are self-made. That is made the money by themselves without inheriting any cash

Talk to yourself. You are not a dummy. You are not here just to mark time or fizzle away. It takes time to be successful.
Am I shutting you off or telling you not to socialize at all? No but you need to reduce it and socialize if it will add value to your life, career or job. I have decided not to engage my time on things that will not move me closer to my goals.

I often tell people this
“It is the poor that makes the rich wealthy”

If you don’t have what to read or listen to, I can send them to you FREE OF CHARGE. E-books or compressed audio
Just mail me and you will get them: selfhelp700@gmail.com

Excellent points.

Pakistani Christian boy dies after being set on fire by young muslim extremists



A Pakistani Christian boy has died after being set on fire by a group of young Muslims after they discovered he was a Christian, according to a charity dedicated to supporting Pakistani Christians.
The Centre for Legal Aid, Assistance and Settlement (CLAAS) said that Nauman Masih, 14, was set upon by unknown Muslims who were going to the mosque to offer their Friday prayers.
Nauman died last night and his funeral service was held today at 1pm (local time) in Gulshan Ravi, Shera Kot, in Lahore, CLAAS said.
In Nauman’s statement to the Superintendent of Police he said that two Muslims approached him on a motorbike and asked him about his religion. When he said he was Christian they started to beat him up and after he ran away, folllowed him and subsequently threw kerosene over him and set him alight.
Nauman said: “I was running when a heap of sand came my way, I lay down on the sand, and a few people from the community put out the fire by putting sand on me. I became unconscious, and they called the emergency medical helpline and called [for] an ambulance.”
The police have registered a case against the unknown attackers.
Christians in Pakistan are becoming increasingly endangered in the country. Last November a Christian couple, Shama and Shahzad, were burnt alive in a brick kiln furnace.
Nasir Saeed, director of CLAAS-UK, said: “The perpetrators must be brought to justice for lessons to be learned and to act as deterrents. Other people, and if necessary the government, must introduce some stringent punishment.”

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/04/15/muslim-youths-set-pakistani-christian-boy-on-fire/

true2god:
I am telling you that mohammed, as an evil genius, never allowed any of his sons-in-laws to marry another woman beside his daughters. It is in the hadith; he often bring up excuses to ensure that he protect his daughters from having rivals. Mohammed said, in one of the hadiths, that whatever causes pain to fatimah would cause pain to him because she is his blood.
If mohammed can marry women whose fathers are not muslims, what stop Ali marrying another woman whose father is not also a muslim? Why can't mohammed allow Ali marry other women so that they can also become muslims (just as mohammed did)? You are not seeing this in a clearer picture, mohammed himself complain that 'JELOUSY' may not allow fatimah worship allahh properly.

If mohammed understood the psychological impact of women sharing their husbands with other women, by protecting his daughters against it, why did he permit muslim men to take multiple wives knowing the emotional depressions it can cause to a woman.

Empiree rilwanye001 yazach ypeace ayinba1. tola9ja roypcain 9jaforlife can also attempt to answer this. I wonder why they have been shy lately.

zeongeon:
Ifeann the chains of religion is so strong because it chains the mind, spirit and soul.. It can only take the holy spirit to change some pple.

Its so ironic that most of these atrocities are in d quaran, ur even quoting it with chapters and verses..they can see it but still see nothing wrong with the atrocities.

What does this mean? It simply means that we our ability to see comes from d heart and mind and not just d physical eyes.

Rightly said. u have made very real points.

ECOTERRORS:
ISIS and al qaeda are made up of sunnis which BH also belong to. They are the problem of the world, Iran is being persecuted today because of their shia ideology.

I'm not a muslim but I ll recommend ifeann who will give you the real truth about islam and their atrocities

You are correct somewhat. Isis, Taliban, hamas and BH as well as most terror groups are sunni Muslims... This is not to say shias are not dangerous, they are, Iran a shia dominated country sponsors terrorists such as hezbolla ... They are all spurned from the same dark evil pit.

The rape of the innocent child by devout Muslims is sanctioned by the quran. Here are the verses.

Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part

Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.

See also Qur'an (70:29-30). The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, then sex slavery must be very important to him.

Qur'an (24:32)-"And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." Breeding slaves based on fitness.
Qur'an (2:178)-"O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female." The message of this verse, which prescribes the rules of retaliation for murder, is that all humans arenotcreated equal. The human value of a slave is less than that of a free person (and a woman's worth is also distinguished from that of a man's)

RoyPCain:
@ifeann; when are you gonna connect with me? i am not eran ri ro o [lol].

Can u say this in English, I can't read any nigerian languages.

Abuamam:
Forever shifting ground. Before I answer this latest fallacy, do you accept defeat in your last fallacy, and admit that a number of lessons were learnt from the prophet (saw) preventing Ali from polygyny? If not, what is your objection to my response?

Let us decisively conclude one area before frog jumping all over NL. Quick now. I am free and eager to trump your second questions too.

No I don't agree with you.
Here is why,

Mohammed kept making laws or commands to please his followers and himself. Even Aisha mentioned this in a hadith.

Christ says one man one woman as the ideal and best way and only way for marriage. This is difficult but Christians adhered to it. Some failed many succeeded.

But Mohammed legalised adultery and called it polygamy (don't know the Arabic name). At a time he legalised temporary marriage Nikah mut'ah,
but u sunnis say its abrogated.

U see Mohammed kept making his commands as it suits him, do u know why only fatima's husband is the only man forbidden to marry more women as long as his wife was alive, its because Fatima was Mohammed favourite daughter...

A leader leads by example, Mohammed should have set his polygamy example by marrying only the 4 wives and allowing his inlaw marry as he says an entity allegedly revealed to him but rather he broke the rule and married as he pleased and before he died he forbade his wives from remarrying. Who then satisfied their sexual desires.

Its all a facade by Mohammed and which u have refused ur common sense prevail in showing u.. The only reason u think this is okay is because Mohammed says that allah told him to do these things same as those fake pastors.

Maamin:
And you sound like Olabowale..are you the one behind RoyPcain?

I think it was pastorkun who asked roypain the same question.. He kept denying that he isn't olabowale. Brainwashed Muslims think alike so he may be saying the truth.

Abuamam:
Oh yes, the action taught us a number of rules pertaining to marriage., even today. Since you asked so politely (for you, that is), I will tell you what they are:

It taught us that it is permissible to make a pre-marital contract not to marry more than one wife, and compulsory to adhere to it. It taught us that it is preferable not to practice polygyny, if the first wife's faith can be harmed thereby. It taught us that we should not refer women who oppose their husband's practice of polygyny as bad Muslimahs, as many Muslim men do; since even the prophet's (saw) daughter; who was very pious; did not like it. It teaches us that polygyny in itself is allowed based on the advantages outweighing the disadvantages; and is not in itself more rewardeable than monogamy. Had there been more spiritual reward in polygyny, the prophet (saw) would not have held Ali bin abi Talib (ra) to his word and prevented the marriage, since the prophet's (saw) main objective was to lead men to righteousness.

So you see, all actions of the prophet (saw) "is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"... so to speak.

I hope you understand now.



Obviously you know that 'thunder will fire you' is a made in Nigeria figure of speech, not meant literally. You just want straws to grasp.

If you want explicit death threats, go and ask sonoflucifer and johnnydon22 about how many serious ones they have recieved from pentecostal evangelists. It is becoming a mockery here. Or reserve your opinions for the thread of failed election prophecies made by your bribed evangelical leaders.

U forgot to mention that Mohammed also allows men to have sex with slaves and married captives of war. He also allows temporary marriage today known as prostitution whixh the shia sect still practise because they don't believe it has been abrogated.. . Not so righteous..Is it?.



Sahih Muslim 8:29: “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”
Sahih Muslim 8:3432: “Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (verse 4:24)" (i.e., they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).”

Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part

Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.

U can See also Qur'an (70:29-30).


Look, the Quran is a small book, so if Mohammed used valuable space to repeat the same point several times, then sex slavery must be very important to him and not righteousness.

mujahid1339:
"slept with his aunt dead body" your silly arguments making me laugh.why did you change the topic name,aren't you getting ur ex-Muslims

I said a hadith says tha but I rather not quote it because it isn't a sahih hadith, same with the prayers between Aisha legs etc. I try to stick with the sahih hadiths.

As for the change, Many of my recent topics refering to Islam, Muslims or Mohammed keeps getting moved to the Islamic section. I changed several of my titles to avoid that.

Hania7012:
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This is the wrong section. No esoteric Mohammedian materials are allowed here. Please this non.sense should be moved to the Islamic section

Cc emusmith, OAM4J

Abuamam:
Lol, the typical robotic copy-paste response. Clap for yourself. Doesn't change anything though. ALL his actions and words had reasons. ALL were for the good of the society. No need for me to expantiate on your behalf. If Allah wants to open your eyes, He will. If He prefers to leave you to go astray, no one can save you. Up to you to make the choice of using the gift of reason that He gave you, or to continue in your path of blind rebellion and worship of idols.

I didn't know that the sex life of his son inlaw had something to do with "the good " of 7th century Arab society. While Mohammed had sex left right and Center with his 11 wives and numerous sex slaves and other Muslims were free to have 4 wives, his son inlaw was banned from marrying any other woman after marrying Fatima (who coincidentally was Mohammed's favourite daughter)... For the "good of society" .. Lmao. U Muslims be funny. Abuamam does this make sense in anyway other than Mohammed was a fraud who made commands to always favour him. True2god has shown u the verse yet u call it copy and paste. So we should not copy and paste from ur own sources.

kevoh:
Bros the thing never strike ooo. I'm beginning to get bored of waiting sef. Surely a.llah, mohammed and popdecorator are weaklings if they can not strike this mere mortal with thunder till now. I give them till 11 a.m today.

#Sorry for the thread derailment!

As the Op of this thread I enjoyed ur funny jab at the Stu.pid thunder threat made by the muslim. Mohammed is dead and rotten in Medina. No thunder will be coming from him.

Abuamam:
Lol, the prophet (saw) a fraud? You would not understand because you have closed your eyes to anything good about Islam. You always try to interprete any of the actions of the prophet (saw) in a bad light and attribute bad intentions to him. Also, you only take your info from anti-Islam websites, so you only access what they want you to see of him...ie things that can be twisted to satisfy the needs of bigots and haters. You need to see the big picture, if you want to appreciate his character.

He was truly a humble man, he slept on straw mats and would go hungry for days; even though his followers were ready to hand over their wealth to him, and the whole of Arabia was in his hands. He was a loving husband that never once raised his voice at any of his wives, would do his own house chores and made men ashamed of treating their wives with contempt while simultaneously cohabiting with them, and exhorted love and harmony between spouses... a strange concept in pre-Islamic society where women were chattels. He was a sensitive man who would never turn his back first when leaving someone, who never refused a request; even for the clothes on his back, and who respected the old and was playful with the young. He was honest to the extent that his enemies would keep their wealth with him by night, even while they beat, choked and abused him by day... and he would still fulfill the trust. He was a truthful man, who frowned at even the most 'insignificant' form of falsehood; he even asserted that a Muslim cannot ever be a liar... how can such a man lie about his God? His every move was documented and remembered by thousands of followers who; along with him; endured exile, torture and some even death for the sake of his message of strict monotheism. He never responded to personal insult or injury, unless it was for the sake of Allah, and was always inclined to make peaceful pacts with his enemies, whenever possible. He never broke a act or a treaty. When he fought a war, it was never without provocation, and he would not submit to treachery or oppression. He was a man of strength who knew that there are times for peace and times for war. He was the best of men in my opinion, and I am proud to call him my leader.

Those are things that are in the same seerah and hadith; which you would never see on your dishonest anti-Islam websites, and which your brethren gloss over when they pretend to preach 'the truth about the prophet' to each other and to unaware Muslims. You say these are lies, but you accept other hadith as true when they can be twisted to your views. Yet it is I that needs to be rational.

Lolll...

We get our topics from the hadiths and quran.. I stop posting from anti Islamic websites long ago. Abu al-Qasim Muhammad Ibn Abd Allah Ibn Abd al-Muttalib Ibn Hashim was a fraud and cult leader. Islam is the worlds largest cult.

You know there are hadiths narrations that describe him as what today we would call a psychopath and there are some hadiths that give nice stories about him. I have even read a narration of how slept with the dead body of his aunt so she can get a prophets wives privilege in paradise. And he used to wear aishas clothes and pray between her legs(during her period) because of his superstition of menstrual blood. So of these stories are implied in the authenticated hadiths.

We know he beat his wife and watched slave women beaten. He approved of harsh treatment to non Muslims and allowed Muslims to beat their wives in the quran and the hadiths expanded on this. Apparently muslim women started dying at the hands of their husbands and u guys now added (...beat (lightly)) ..lightly in bracket to the beating.. it was Ali's translation that put lightly beside the beating . He raped the wives of nonmuslims. the authentic sahih hadiths contain several disturbing stories. I focus on only the general accepted and respected hadiths. U can't salvage Mohammeds reputation, he destroyed it 1400 years ago.

emusmith:
Brother, you need to make adequate research before creating a very sensitive thread as this.

He has every right to create this thread even tho I do not agree with his language. He is confused and by creating this thread he and others will be educated about the topic.

[quote author=channelz post=32659669][/quote]Lol. Nice reply to the confused muslim. U know their problem?... Mohammed was always talking literally eg Fight that, kill this but when u ask Muslims about that, the Muslims will say it is misinterpreted or Mohammed didn't mean it like that.

But we Christians know Jesus spoke a lot in timeless parables as prophesied in the Old testament. Jesus asked rhetorical questions, spoke in parables, used hyperboles and allegory which has been understood by Christians for generations. If Mohammed spent less time having sex and rap.ing slaves he would have done better work with the quran.

Cc
Larrymoore.

larrymoore:
Luke 14:26
King James Version (KJV)
26. If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
1 John 3:15
King James Version (KJV)
15. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Revelation 21:8
King James Version (KJV)
8. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the
lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the
second death.

THE ABOVE IS SIMPLE AND CLEAR ENOUGH. JESUS
SAID THOSE THAT FOLLOW HIM MUST HATE THEIR
FAMILIES INCLUDING THE EXTENDED ONES.
HATRED IS SYNONYMOUS TO MURDER IN THE SAME
BIBLE. AND FINALLY, MURDERING PUT YOU IN
HELL. TO ALL THAT CLAIMED THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE
TEACHING OF JESUS, WELCOME TO HELL

lmao @ hatred is synonymous with murder.


U don't even understand the verse, say pretty please and I will explain it to u.

Empiree:
Remember i told one time that 'they plot and Allah also plan' Allah is Best Planner. Remember that quote?

Ur Islamic al.lah is such a plotter and yet Islam is in chaos and disarray.
Sunnis and shias are murdering each other like their is a prize at the end of the slaughter
the Jews and Americans keep kicking muslim Bu.tt.. Saudi does the bidding of the "kaffirs" USA and Iran has to cower to "infidel" Americans for their nuclear programme etc

What a plotter he is.

Empiree:
ifeann, see what you have caused now



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Here is another one



Now, what exactly have you achieved in your favor or in favor of Christianity in three months?. See how Muslims returned to Islam because you. As for me, you pretty much improved my thirst for knowledge. Because of you I decided to open 'library' where i store my researches and references for easy access.

So keep it up lady. Remember i told one time that 'they plot and Allah also plan' Allah is Best Planner. Remember that quote?

Lol....who cares what Muslims in denial comment. in fact, I will be more worried if no muslim reads this. Do u actually think I expect Muslims to say that they have renounced Islam immediately after reading this. This is a seed.

if Muslims read this completely, then the seed is planted, it is enough for the smart open minded humane ones amongst the Muslims to go and do more research on Mohammed and confirm what I wrote. Those who don't do research are most to be pitied.

Now it will be up to them to decide if they want to continue believing a lieing lun.atic prophet or if they want to do the right thing and renounce Islam. It maybe next month or next year.. or even before the next ramadan..... but if u are lucky eventually u will renounce Islam and maybe one of u will be the next Ali Sina or walid shoebat or Sam shamoun or ayaan ..

That is all.

babylolaroy:
i typed, a long reply..iono how it didnt send. m too tired of the mata to even retype

Lol, even technology is against you.

RoyPCain:
i am waiting with you.

@ifeann and gang; here is a bone for you to pick. happy chewing.

The OP didn't ask a question. He made ignorant statements eg 3 separate gods? ? I can't even guess where he heard that.. Most likely his imam.

Maamin:
Jesus is different from the father

John 20:17 "17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, [size=16pt]I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."[/size]

You can now say something new @Op. *sips holy communion wine*

Next!

The op is probably an ignorant muslim