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OREMUSSANCTUS:
have ya heard dat justice uwais son took his 2 wives and kids to join ISIL? I just pray dat tartar9 tola9ja 9jaforlife and co won't do same, tartar9 is back from depression ifeann, our prayer worked for him!

I am not surprised. . Devout muslims know that isis is doing exactly what the fraud prophet of Islam did during him time..

Let they go and get annihilated if it makes them happy.

Rilwayne001:
Sorry for that, I mistake you for Pastor.AIO.

Yet, Catholic and protestant consider you as heretic and hell fire bound for not believing in trinity and for being an anti-tithe.

Lol. U are deluded.


Pastorkun is not considered hell fire bound for not believing or undertanding the trinity or triune nature of God.

For u to be a christain u have to accept Christ and be baptised. Acknowledge his sacrifice and his relationship with God the father.

This is the basics. People are always looking for ways to complicate things. Especially musliims who over complicates their quran, hadiths, sharia etc.

Peace.

Binb:
OP How about these verses in the Bible:

Numbers 31:17-18
Now kill all the boys (in Midian). And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Judges 21:10-12
So the assembly sent twelve thousand fighting men with instructions to go to Jabesh Gilead and put to the sword those living there, including the women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin.” They found among the people living in Jabesh Gilead four hundred young women who had never slept with a man, and they took them to the camp at Shiloh in Canaan.

1 Samuel 6:19
And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: [/b]and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

[b]Luke 19:27
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Luke 12:49
"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

Matthew 10:34
" Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

I won't explain the old testament verses for 3 reasons

1. It requires understanding of the inner and historical context as well as symbolic context and theology. .Muslims and atheists seem to not understand it no matter how it is explained

2. I am not a 2800 BC Jew. .
3. I do not practice Judaism ..I am a christain.

But I will address the new testament verses

Matthew 10:34-35
King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

U didnt quote the verse 34 with 35 because it explains the proper context. Most atheists and Muslims avoid 35.
This is one of the verses Christ tells believers what to expect if we decide to follow him. And it is actually happening.
Muslims kill their family members if a member decides to leave Islam and become Christians, its in their sh'aria law. You know of the case in Sudan where a man reported his own sister for being a christain and she was sentenced to death. But as God would have it she is alive and well in the USA today. Even in Nigeria, in the time of the missionaries fathers disowned sons who abandoned serving their traditional deity and went to church. Even communists killed whole families for their believe in Christ. The use of the word "sword" is clearly a metaphor. And just as the verse proclaimed their is no peace on earth because the kingdom is yet to come.


LUKE 19-27
King James Version (KJV)
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Here my friend you didn't quote the context. Christ was telling a parable (story with a deeper meaning). Its called, "the parable of the Gold coins" and it starts from Luke 19 verse 11 to 27 .


And finally u also quoted Luke 12 :49


49 “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
This is similar with the other verse u quoted in Mathew 10:34.



Do u need more education on the verses.

truthman2012:
This is the problem with islam. The religion has two faces: peace and violence and it is impossible to practice both simultaneously. But there are more calls to violence than peace as allah wants people forced to his religion. Those Yoruba muslims who hold on to peace alone are not true muslims by islamic standard and there is no point wasting their time in it. Allah cannot be pleased with them.

When I said one says love and peace I meant christianity. .

Islam knows nothing about love..

However muslims are told to be peaceful amongst themselves..

They only know a few nice quotes from warner Mohammed which was abrogated by warrior Mohammed. .

malvisguy212:
Muhammed accept the torah and the gospel as the word of God during his life time, nowadays muslims say the bible is corrupted, who corrupt it?

This baffles me as well.. despite the fact that the bible or accprding to muslims injeel that mohamed accepted was the same manuscripts Mohammed had assess to in his time..the manuscripts are even hundreds of years older than Mohammed. ..and are the ones we use today..
With the probable exception of the faked gnostic christain manuscript which he got some blasphemous ideas from.

9jaforlife:
Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka male aka female aka white woman aka proud black aka L*unatic, you're the devil reincarnate! You're not just the Queen of Lies for nothing! Infact the word 'evil' NEEDS you to survive. Without you, that word will perish!

I forgive u.. it's the Mohammed in you talking. .

9jaforlife:
Ifeanyi, Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, how does someone like you, who does not have ANY brain cell know who is intelligent and who is not? Please, shut that hole in your face and keep quiet for once!

Your posts are full of deceit and empty talks... What point is there to miss in your f*oolish assertion that Allah couldn't love non-Muslims and Jesus loved all?? Whereas it's your bible that clearly says: kill the whole town if it contains even one apostate (Deutronomy 13:13-19)!!

For that bold part in your post, you deserve the award for the [size=14pt] WORLD'S NASTIEST, BIGGEST, SICKEST HYPOCRITE!!! [/size]. So, you could ever open that dirty trap of yours to differentiate between religion as taught and religion as practised But do you EVER in your miserable life consider that when you're judging Muslims? Of course not, it's not something that a chronic bigot can dare to do!

That "love your neighbour" nonsense is just in the bible for mere DECORATION! YOUR RELIGION IS FILLED WITH HATE!! I give glory to almighty Allah for sending His noble Prophet (peace be on him) to come and rescue me from the shackles of ruin! Is this how I would have been

I think it's fair to let u know that I skip the insults u throw..and resume where u continue normal discussions in ur comments.. I don't have time to waste reading personal insults and I am very busy at the moment.

Therefore if u want me to read ur entire comment u have to be polite and concise.

I have studied a lot of the wars and killing in the old testament. It's all justified. If u have issues with that then go ask Mohammed why he butchered people unjustly. .and fornicated with helpless sex slaves. Etc

I also always encourage u Muslims to bring up this old testament verses that troubles u and we shall address it..it is not comparable to the terror in the quran..

Peace rude boy.

One says love and peace

The other says slaughter and fight

Yet these muslims refuse peace..

And they wonder why most islamic country is a mess and in chaos

Then they blame the jews/zionists/USA

Muslims be funny ..Muslims be ignorant

AllNaijaBlogger:
Funny how all your claims are from spurious hadiths/testimonies/narrations that you will later claim are "weak" when they say something you do not agree with.


There is no exact day or date that the Quran was finally written.

Some of it was written during Muhammad's time but not all of it. If Muhammad saw the final quran, he would have mentioned it or at least yhhafith would have clearly stated that the prophet gave the quran to Uthman.



Also keep in mind that the prophet was an illiterate. An illiterate cannot express himself verbally or orally. Go and listen to the oration of any illiterate. You will understand it but writing it down will be a problem because you will correcting the grammar and sentence structure of the illiterate's speech.


If I recall, the Quran is written in classical Arabic which is even more difficult than standard Arabic. Does the writing of the Quran sound like that if an illiterate? No
The scribes and companions of the prophet must have added their own interpretations and better sentences to uplift Muhammad's uneducated speech.


Lastly, human memory is ver fallible. If I tell you that "I feel discombobulated, agitated and malaise", you might describe what I said the next day as "Allnaijablogger felt a headache and generally sick". Interpretations.



I hope you can see why I find this thread hypocritical. Your Quran comes from special origins- this means that you do not have the moral standing to point fingers at the origins or authors of the bible.

Excellent points ...there are more tho..like the hadith in which aisha says a goat ate some pages of some original records of the Qur'an. And how unscientific the quran is..like camel piss for good health, sun setting in a pool of muddy water, flies having the antidote for diseases it carries etc..this all point to the falsehood of islam..the hadiths are particularly nonsensical. Muslims did better editing of the quran but still failed .

.. Empiree u do a bad job at defending islam.. leave it for people like lagoshi'a and abuamam ..at least those 2 have more than 2 actually working brain cells..

AllNaijaBlogger:
I can't stop laughing at the ignorance of Messrs Empiree and Rilwayne01.

They clearly did not know that Jesus read the old testament and that the new testament is an account of his life told by others.

Everyone can see that these guys have an agenda to attack christianity. Empiree is even hypocritically copying and pasting from anti-christian websites when he is against christians copying from anti-islamic websites.

Whether they like it or not, Jesus is our saviour and the bible is far more reliable on Jesus than the Quran. Jesus himself quoted the old testament as he lived with other Jews. Jesus appeared in the bible long before the advent of islam.

Lol. . very nice observations..

they are both equally lost and ignorant. . but I tend to have a soft spot for Rilwayne001 because he has totally fallen victim to both the Islamic rhetoric and silly teachings, and has tried to rationalize islamic villainy in his mind..
he was probably born a muslim.

.... the other hand u have mr eschatology ..empiree..who knows little about his own religion and just randomly copies articles and videos everywhere to post on this forum..he does not believe in understanding anything or asking questions (see pic below ) just blind believe in the fraud Mohammed. .he also lacks intelligence and his comments are riddled with grammatical errors despite his claim of living in the West (I think he said USA )for several years..

but this is to be expected from Muslims.

9jaforlife:
Did you quote that from "Ifeann the Queen of Liars" Version?

This is the John 3:16 I know...

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."...... Quite different from what you have up there. Of course you have to twist it to fit your topic perfectly! It's called LYING FOR JESUS


Hmm, Allah couldn't love non Muslims, but Jesus was so unbelievably loving to non- christians... That's why he put many quotes like these ones in the bible...

Zephaniah 1: 2-6

2 “I will completely remove all things
From the face of the earth,” declares the Lord.
3 “I will remove man and beast;
I will remove the birds of the sky
And the fish of the sea,
And the ruins along with the wicked;
And I will cut off man from the face of the earth,” declares the Lord.
4 “So I will stretch out My hand against Judah
And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
And I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place,
And the names of the idolatrous priests along with the priests.
5 “And those who bow down on the housetops to the host of heaven,
And those who bow down and swear to the Lord and yet swear by Milcom,
6 And those who have turned back from following the Lord,
And those who have not sought the Lord or inquired of Him.”


Psalm 79:6

"Pour out Your wrath upon the nations which do not know You, And upon the kingdoms which do not call upon Your name."

Ifeanyi aka Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, the devil bows for you!

U missed my point like u always do..

don't blame me for what u understand. . blame ur lack of intelligence. .

and apparently u don't know the difference between the gospel as taught by Christ and spread by the apostles and the old testament. .


9jaforlife in addition to John 3:16 u may like to read john1: 1-4

John 1: 1-4

The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

Islam is part of darkness.

udatso:
This is so unlike Ifeann. I have been waiting for him/her to come twist the well comprehensive reply he/she got from 9jaforlife. Could it be she/he is beginning to see the light? Well may Allah guide him/her to the right path.

@Ifeann........ Am really getting tired of addressing you as he/she. Please choose one

@9jaforlife may Allah reward you and all other brothers for tirelessly clearing the misguidance Ifeann has dedicated her/his life to cause.

islam is evil .. I don't doubt it. the evidence is everywhere in ur quran and hadiths. .

I don't twist anything buddy... if u claim I twist please feel free to untwist with evidence. .

I have been busy..will look through my mentions and dispel islamic lies now..

peace.

tartar9:
Very good

U are a devout Muslim. . u support for the murder of apostates just like ur prophet. .

evil human

harbiola1:
pls if I may ask Op, what is the purpose of this thread? op alone pls...

U have eyes and yet cannot see..

SNCOQ3:
First, gospel means good news, tiding.

Greek: euggelizo - to announce good news("evangelize" ; declare,bring, show glad(good) tidings, preach the good news.
matt 4:23 (euggellion)
mark 1:14-15(euggellion)
luke 4:18(euggelizo)

"Gospel" is usually used in 2 ways in reference to the bible:

M1. The message of redemption: the good news[\i] that God is reconcilling the world unto himself through Jesus Christ: whether its a prophetic text that falls within this category in the book of Isaiah or Jesus proclaiming it from town to town or paul or malvinguy,ifeann evangelizing it....etc; its the gospel.

M2. The 4 canonical books of the NT: Matt, Mark, Luke,John which are about the life, works, death and ressurection of Jesus Christ from different.


When Jesus read from the book of Isaiah, He was reading a [i] prophetic gospel which His works will be a fulfilment to.

When we say malvinguy is reading from the gospel, it means he is reading from matt, mark, luke, john (M2).

If malvin is preaching the gospel, then its (M1) regardless of which OT and NT books he is referencing.

Its all about context.

Beautifully explained.. remain blessed my friend.

dejilg:
U never cease to amaze me, I never said "Christianity is compatible with Islam" --- read again

and if u don't know abt Paul (the man muslims wish to hate but cudnt -- a greater than allah and muhammed), just keep quiet

that's typical empiree. he is so in a hurry to defend his pedophile prophet that he doesn't even read through posts correctly. .

Empiree:
same old nonsense we have heard countless times. And what does this proof?. So in your wack ideology, God was a baby at some point?. Do you even have brain worth a penny?

more insults like Mohammed and his quran before u.

God can do all things inculding entering his creation and making his word dwell among us and offer us everlasting life..for he so love the world. John 3:16..

Allah on the other hand apparently can't do many things including love non muslims. .I am sure u know the quran verse.

renounce islam my friend. . u were decieved and have heard the truth..u now have no excuse. .

Akin1212:
SHOCKING NEWS: THE EX-MUSLIM PRIEST SAID
THAT ”ALL MUSLIM MUST CHANGE TO CHRISTIAN
TO AVOID HELL FIRE”
While I was working in a muslim mosque as an
imam, as a parish priest, I preach in my parish that
Jesus Christ is not God, for me, God was only Allah,
and I believed Allah never got married, so no sons for
Allah. So I preached there that Jesus is not God.
Then somebody asked me, who is Jesus?’’ from the
crowd. Maybe a muslim, but he asked me, who is
Jesus?’’ I was preaching he is not God, but the
question was who is he? To know who is Jesus? I read
the entire Koran once again: 114 chapters, 6666 in
the Koran when I read it, the name of prophet
Muhammad. I found it in Koran 4 places, but the
name of Jesus I found in 25 places. There itself, I
was a little confused. Why does the Koran give more
preference to Jesus? And second thing, I could not
see any woman’s name in Koran: the Prophet
Muhammad’s mother’s name, or wife’s name, no, in
the Koran, there is only one woman’s name that i
found is Mariam, the mother of Jesus no other
woman’s name. And in the holy Koran chapter 3, the
name of the chapter is family of Mariam,’’ and holy
Koran chapter 19, the name of the chapter itself is
‘’MARIAM’’ one chapter is ‘’MARIAM’’ so I was very curious to know why does Koran say all these
things about MARIAM, holy Koran chapter 3 verse 34 onwards says that Mary was born without original
sin, she never committed any sin in her life, she was
ever virgin.
Koran chapter 50 verses 23 say that she went to
heaven with her physical body. Even the assumption
is writing in the holy Koran and then about Jesus,
when I read chapter 3 verses 45 to 55 verses, there
is 10 point which the Koran makes about Jesus. The
first thing Koran says (kallimatulli) the arabic word
which means ‘’the of God’’ and second thing is
( ahimokuli ) which mean spirit of God and the third
(isa masi) which means Jesus Christ so Koran give
the name for Jesus WORD OF GOD, SPIRIT OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST. And then Koran says that Jesus
spoke when he was very small, like 2 days old. after
his birth he began to speak , Koran says that Jesus
created a live bird with mud. He took some mud, he
formed a bird; when breathed into it, it became a live
bird. So I think Jesus can give life because he gave
life to mud, clay, and then Koran says that Jesus
cured a man born blind and a man with leprosy, e.t.c
Curiously, the Koran says that Jesus gave life to
dead people; Jesus went to heaven; he is still alive
and he will come again. When I saw all these things
in the Koran I taught of what Koran says about
Muhammad, according to the Koran, prophet
Muhammad is not the word of God, not spirit of God
he never spoke when he was 2 days old, he never
created any bird with mud, he never cure any sick
people, he never raised any dead people, he himself
died, and according to Islam he is not alive and he
will not come back. So there is a lot of different
between these two prophets. I didn’t call Jesus, God,
you know my idea was ‘’He is a prophet but he is a
prophet greater than Muhammad; so one day I went
to my teacher, the one who taught me 10 years in
Arabic college, and I ask him, teacher, how did God
created the universe? Then he said God created the
universe through the word,’’ THROUGH THE WORD.
Then my question is: ‘’WORD’’ is creator or creation?
He must clear this, my question is whether the
WORD of God is creator or creation. Koran says
Jesus is WORD of God. If my teacher says word of
God is creator, which means Jesus is the creator,
then muslim must become Christian suppose if he
says the word is creation he will be trapped. You
know why? He said everything was created through
the word. Suppose if he said the word is creation,
then how did God created the word? So he cannot
say that the word is creator, or creation, so he was
quite angry he push me out of his room and said
word is not God, not creator or the creation you get
out of here, ‘’he said
The reason why Muslim doesn’t accept to be
Christian is because they are blinded with the wrong
teaching of their priest, Imam. They said that the
word is creation they try to prove it wrongly…… they
say the word is not creator, not the creation, but not
God. And no creation also. They don’t equal with God,
that all their problem. So when he said that, I told my teacher, word is not the creator or the creation.’’ So,
that is why Christian says the word is son of God.
Then he told me if there is son for God, I must show
him the wife of God. That without wife no chance of
having a son then I showed him a portion from the
Koran. KORAN SAYS THAT GOD CAN SEE WITHOUT EYES, GOD CAN TALK WITHOUT TONGUE, GOD CAN HEAR WITHOUT EARS. It is written in the Koran. I said if that is the
case, so GOD CAN HAVE A CHILD WITHOUT A WIFE. I took my Koran, I put it on my chest, and I said ‘’Allah’’, tell me what I should do because your Koran says Jesus is still alive, and Mohammad is no more. Tell me whom should I accept.’’ after my prayer I opened the Koran, I didn’t asked anyone, I asked only my Allah. When I opened Koran, I saw chapter 10 verses 94. You know what Koran says? It says if you have any doubt in this Koran which I give to you, go and read the Bible, or ask the people, those who read the Bible. The truth is already revealing that.
I beg all muslim to give their life to Christ because he is the only way to the kingdom of God. Please don’t perish like other muslims that is serving the god they do not know. I welcome you into Christ Jesus as you change your mind to accept him today. God bless you.

permit me to mention u to read this..Empiree 9jaforlife tartar9 tola9ja rilwanye001 abuaman mrolai yourmain

peace

Empiree:
This thread keeps going on in cycle. Nothing more discuss here beyond bigotry.

#unfollow....

The ignorant boy empiree is defeated and his arguments destroyed in his quest to defend the silly teachings of orthodox islam and he runs away...that's fine..run and renounce islam.