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onetrack:
Atheist here. This whole issue of Muhammad marrying a 6-year-old girl is not a big deal from a historical perspective, as it is rightly pointed out that many cultures have accepted child marriage until quite recent times. I personally do not use the 'Muhammad-as-pedophile' approach, as he was a man of his time.

The problem is that Muslims hold up Muhammad as the role model for all of humanity for all time.

Whether or not some European ruler married a 6 year old back in the year 1400 doesn't really matter because nobody would consider him to be best man in history, worthy of being imitated until the end of time, unlike Muslims who are expected to try to imitate the life of Muhammad as the proper way of living. As a result, any Muslim who is against child marriage could be rightly criticised from a strict Islamic point of view. The Quran even gives instructions on how to divorce your pre-pubescent wife. Considering that Islam is considered to be final and unchangeable, this means that child marriage can never really be outlawed in an Islamic state. That, in my view, is a problem.

I would note that Christianity does not actually forbid child marriage either, and that neither religion forbids slavery.

U raised excellent points..
I want to add that the bible makes it clear u marry a woman and not a child..this is not even debatable. .


1 Corinthians 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality,
each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.


1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV / 1,012 helpful votes
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a
man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the
temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and
each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her
conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does
not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise
the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife
does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a
limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come
together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack
of self-control. ...


Leviticus 21:7 ESV / 38 helpful votes
They shall not marry a prostitute or a woman who has been defiled,
neither shall they marry a woman divorced from her husband, for the
priest is holy to his God.


notice the use of the word woman and not girl or female..

iboladeji:
>>> Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) marry a child? <<<

People wonder and ask,
Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) marry a child?
Was this a normal practice 1400 years ago?
What was the wisdom behind it?

According to authentic sources, the Prophet Muhammad married Aisha (RA), when she was 6 years old, and the marriage was consummated after she was 9. However, it is important to understand things in their historical context. For instance, it would be silly to ask, what kind of milk did they drink 1400 years ago. Or what kind of engine did they have back then.

Therefore, one must understand that things 1400 years ago were very different from now, times have changed and so humans. 1400 years ago, it was very common for women to marry at a young age. It is a historical fact that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were married off in Europe, Asia, Africa and America.
For example:
Saint Augustine in 350AD married a 10 year old girl
King Richard II in 1400AD married a 7 year old
Henry VIII in 15000AD married a 6 year old girl

Even in the Bible, "but save for yourselves every GIRL who has never slept with a man" Numbers 31:17-18

According to Catholic Encyclopedia, "Mary the mother of Jesus was 12 when she married 99 year old Joseph"
Before 1929, Church of England minister could marry 12 year olds in Britain.
Before 1983, Catholic canon laws permitted priests to marry off brides at the age of 12.

A lot of people are unaware that in the Delaware (United States) in 1880, the minimum age for marriage was 7 years old and in California was 10 years.
Even now, the marriage age for some states are
12 for Massachusetts
13 for New Hampshire
14 in New York

At the time of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), those who refused his message tried every method and strategy to discredit him. They were always looking for opportunities to attack him verbally and even physically. Some of this verbal abuse consisted of calling him magician, soothsayer, crazy. However, they never thought to point out or object to his marriage to Aisha (RA). Why? Because it was the norm of the society, meaning it was completely normal.

Do you know that the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) had only one wife, Khadijah, throughout the first 54 years of his life?
Did you know that she was a widow?
Did you know that she was 15 years older than him?
He (PBUH) spent his entire youth with her.
He was committed to her until and after her death by keeping ties with her friends.

What about Aisha, was she a child when she agreed to marry Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)?

Note: The age of puberty varies throughout different times and different places.

According to scientific references, "Girls might enter full-blown puberty anytime between the ages of 9 and 15" LiveScience.
Also, "The average temperature of the country is considered the chief factor with regard to menstruation and sexual puberty" Women:An Historical Gynecological, and Anthropological Compedium Volume 1, Lord & Bransby, 1988, p.563

So was Aisha a child? No she was not!
So what about the wisdom behind this marriage?
God always knows best!
But the marriage of Aisha (RA) was an instruction from God (Bukhari Volume 5: Book 58: Hadith 235)
Aisha (RA) narrated to us more than 2200 hadiths (sayings) of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Aisha (RA) was exceptionally intelligent, and since she married the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) at a young age, she was able to learn so much from him. She later played an important role as a teacher, expert and interpreter of Islam
So there was so much wisdom behind this marriage!
For those who do not know the Prophet Muhammad (PHUB), He did not come to seek worldly pleasure, but he warned us against them!
His companion described him as a man of morality and they said he was shyer than a virgin in seclusion.
When believers asked him an awkward question, he would cover his face out of shyness.
He taught us that each religion is know for a kind of morality and the morality of Islam is Shyness/Modesty.


Transcribe from a DeenShow video
http://www.thedeenshow.com/watch/2962/marriage-to-aisha

U actually got this information from the deen show. lol.. which is run by Yusuf Estes aka the lieing imam.. i can give u links to muslim sites discrediting him as a lair and muskirin. I have also seen a few of his videos on you tube..his use of al taqiyyah deciet and lies are legendary.

please stick with credible sources .

Liekiller:
The root of Africa's undervelopment today IS colonialism. The destruction of entire societies and cultures was by no means a "liberation", and it's a terrible thing to say that. I'm not denying that a lot has gone wrong after it ended too, but the root lingers on and doesn't help matters. The religious madness we see today is a symptom as well as a cause of underdevelopment. I certainly don't say atheism is the solution to this. It's not, and it's not even my goal to change anyone's belief. But: increasing fanaticism is a huge worry nowadays. Ironically, this variety of Christianity is strongly supported, imported and financed by outlandish churches in the US. So, according to you the "liberation" continues. And I can tell you I'm not happy about it.

To be honest I wanted to have a challenging, intelligent and lively conversation with you but several things u say just don't make sense.

For example, "But: increasing fanaticism is a huge worry nowadays. Ironically, this variety of Christianity is strongly supported, imported and financed by outlandish churches in the US"

What are u even taking about, us churches financing nigerian churches or did I misunderstand u.. Pls elaborate.

OREMUSSANCTUS:
ifeann, its so funny seeing dem moving ya threads to dat section of slavery. Let dem read it and know more abt dem fate, ours is to post dem and leave it for dem to read and question their fate.

They have moved several of them... My target audience was mulsims and ignorant "christains", nairaland liberals in general buT only the same set of Muslims seemed to comment on my threads but now the posts are finding its way to the garkos, yerimas, fatimas, aishas etc.

This is good..

9jaforlife:
That's my Ifeann talking! Stay true to yourself. All that sweet sister wham bam isn't you! You're a pure hater and nothing more, so cut out the pretext about "insults of Muslims upset me"

When I bursted your lie about Dangote/Sanusi with regard to zakat, you carefully ignored it. Good job, so stop talking about sincerity.

Wait, you don't know if you're a guy or a girl again? Stick to one gender at a time girl. Why are you using guy/girl to describe yourself? This is strange!!!

Dude does dangote pay zakat. Yes or no.
2. Have u ever spotted sanusi in a neck tie.. Look, don't u think I have an issue with these men, dangote was the richest black man last year and sanusi gave those corrupt bankers and subsidy folks a tough time during his tenure. I have respect for these men. Their choice of apparel doesn't bother me,, I only pointed out an observation made clear by that article from an Islamic website. I told u I read a lot of pro Islamic material.

I only do the gender stuff cos it amuses me how u and ur colleagues react to it..

But on a serious note, do not insult or mock Muslims. Only state facts backed up by the quran and hadiths.

OREMUSSANCTUS:
hello lady, I just remembered d 9jaforlife of a guy said he was never going to join issues wif us again just like buhari saying he will never contest election after he lost in 2011 election. D guy is still coming back to play wif us, ma conclusion is dat, d guy is getting so depressed cos we re saying d truth. Soon he will promise not to chat wif us and later he will come back again, let's kip up d good work and I promise never to insult again. A promise I will try and kip. #bowing ma head to Ifeann

That will be very nice of u, No more harsh words.... Have a nice evening.

9jaforlife:
Ifeanyi, it's bed time here. I wan't to spend some minutes to enjoy a little browsing before I go to bed. Pls stop interrupting me. You know all that your pretext won't fly with me. Your posts don't exhibit the slightest sincerity yet you think you can impress me with all that sweet sister wham bam? Can't you start working on another hate thread if you don't have any other thing to do?

Sweet wat?? Hey Dude relax. Ifeanyi isn't that kind of guy/girl.

I am done with my text thread.. Finished it yesterday during my break...just have a few more hadiths to cross check...then ...u know what comes next...the muslim denials and al Taqiyya...

9jaforlife:
I will give you the benefit of doubt that you're sincere. Apologies accepted. Looking forward to your next concoction of lies against my Beloved Prophet Muhammad Rasulullah (peace be upon him).

Have a good night, if that's possible

U fail to realize from my very first post that i am sincere and i am not here to win arguments...i was genuinely upset when u said evil muslim wear ties... notice i stopped replying u shortly after u said this. .

i have also asked oremussanctus tens of times to stop using provoking language..i have even emailed him on it. ..


U may not like the verses i quote on Mohammed bit it is all there in your hadith and quran..

I have made over 900 posts without insulting a muslim. ..


It's not bedtime here.. have ur self a nice night rest...

Liekiller:
ok I see. As I said, your true colurs are shining through. We live in a cruel and imperfect world indeed if you defend and praise what happened in those times and is still affecting Africa badly today. Where's your "Christian love"??

I am not just a christain i am also a realist...
I don't praise what happened to Africans but i understand why it happened. .. infact Africans have been relatively lucky. .
Every civilization has its share of sad events case in point slavery for the africans, genocide for the native americans...holocaust for the jews, Hiroshima and Nagasaki for the Japanese, Britian and indeed europe has had countless wars for resources and otherwise, Spanish inquisition. .etc...its endless... humans tend to be very chaotic lifeform.. however atheism and attacking christainity is not the solution nor does it help on the least. ..

Africans have just refused to develop their society...

9jaforlife:
That's the Ifeann I know!

...."I'm posting topics to educate people on Islam. Muslims can bring on their opinions...pls don't insult Muslims, bla bla bla"

A Muslim submits an opinion and then the next thing from you is "Are you crazy man?", "Those are silly lies, from your Prophet?"

That's an excellent example of decorum, in Ifeann's world, of course!! Swerve

Once again my apologies if the question offended u...it wont happen again..

Liekiller:
I would expect you to say WE Africans if you actually are one. Apart from that your statement is just disgusting. Obviously you are not aware of the devastating consequences colonialism (of which forcing Christianity on Africa was a major part) had on the continent

We don't live in a perfect world. ..

9jaforlife:
There! Ifeann the Queen of liars! You probably don't realize those words are insults when you use them for someone else, but when tables turn you suddenly realize how demeaning they are. Life is tit for tat!

I never said u are crazy....i asked are u crazy?. .ur allegation was just so silly... my apologies if u got offended. .

Once again u prove i don't insult people. .

Liekiller:
oh right, so why then did you refer to the readers as "u Africans"?

I was under the impression u are African and the white folks came for u Africans with the gospel and their education.. what's the confusion. . Perhaps i should have said "africans" i only added "u" to emphasize u were liberated as well with other Africans. ..

Liekiller:
Firstly, I'm not a "fellow", and secondly I'm a physical anthropologist, currently postdoc at a university in the diaspora. More specifically: bachelor in general biology (included math, physics, chemistry, biochemistry, molecular biology, genetics, zoology, botany, evolution, microbiology etc.), then masters in physical anthropology (included primatology, comparative anatomy, human anatomy, osteology, primate evolution etc. etc.) and archaeology and palaeontology, then PhD in physical anthropology. Published a few peer-reviewed and other papers too which I don't care to quote here since my identity is attached to them. No, I don't really care if you believe it or not, but it's the truth. So, let's get another dose of Joshthefirst toxine

I won't even bother to doubt you. . U may as well be a professor of biology but ur assumed intellect is not reflected in the construct of the statements u have until now made. .. starting with the verbatim copy and paste from that silly website. .. that's unapologetic plagiarism man. .a post doc like u should know that

Liekiller:
aaah now your true colours are shining through. Another American racist don show ooo

I am not American. .. i am not a racist, i am christain. . My roots are proudly African.

9jaforlife:
What's this n*onsense you're typing? Your intellect is very low, I feel downgraded talking with you most of the time. When you post hateful anti-Islam messages, as much as they lack truth, they lack content. When you attempt to be funny, they're dry and lack humour. Are you sure you're not an under-age who is sneaking behind mummy's back to use her laptop

Ifeann is responsible for this child abuse!

Mr muslim Stop mentioning me... It almost 10times in a very short time..desist.

9jaforlife:
michaelwestern please don't mind Ifeann. She only likes to insult but doesn't like to be insulted. How can many people insult her like she claims, if she hadn't started it? This is a person who has asked me if I was crazy because I expressed my opinion! Sorry Ifeann, what comes around goes around.

Please present the evidence. .

Joshthefirst:
Lol. All you have done is copy and paste from evil bible then rant about having a doctorate in biology. How do you think anyone is going to take you seriously? Singing about your supposed higher knowledge of these things when you have demonstrated none here. Or should I start going about my own credentials? Do you think shouting about a doctorate will give credence to the nothingness you have shown so far? Doctorate I hear.

And the burden is on you to give a single scrap of evidence of common descent here since you spout it as fact, but you have given nothing but referrals to imaginary works so far. Makes me think you are afraid of having any serious conversation for fear of embarrassment of your very educated self.

Very well Dr. Liekiller, stick to copying and pasting evil bible. When you want to have a real scientific conversation inform people who are interested.

The fellow is not a dr. I discuss with academics on a regular basis.. he doesnt sound like one... no offense drliekiller but i ain't buying it buddy..maybe u should give me an idea on what ur research paper was on..

Liekiller:
Certainly in the long history of its existence the Catholic church has been involved in education, most notably in the "education" and oppression of African "savages" at the time (and all too often even today). The same "poor savages" who now depend on their "charity" due to having had their culture, economy and societies destroyed by this charitable organisation. Don't even get me started about it

Either way, I have the impression that your main reason to participate in this discussion is to bash Islam every now and then? How does that go together with your statements earlier in this thread please?

If those terrible wicked white men didn't come with the gospel and education u Africans would still be blinded by ur superstitions And heathen traditions or perhaps beheaded for not converting to Islam like how usman dan fidio did in the North of Nigeria. .

Dude i make it clear i detest Islam. .