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OREMUSSANCTUS:
I still support ya anytime anyday, u create threads on islam for us, don't mention dem even if ya want to ask questions, let dem come on d thread on dem own freewill. Seemples, go tru previous post ya will see dat dey d one insulting her for nufin. Its her right to say her mind wifout intimidation buh d muslim brodas just don't get it.

Thanks oremussanctus. .hope u have been gud dude..

seemples:
Awww....I missed it Ifeann, really sorry!

I meant you do invite them by mentioning them...i just realised it's actually OREMUSSANCTUS that mentions them by stringing their names..sorry about the mix up biko..nor vex

no worries buddy. .have a nice day.

RapLawd:
the same hBP that is currently torturing you and your likes?


#ChristHasMadeMeWhole

Tartar9 is the same dude we pprayed for when he was depressed

https://www.nairaland.com/2154501/what-anxiety-depression-drugs-get

9jaforlife:
I've told you not to bother lecturing me about the lies you've cooked to defend this. I'm just not buying the BS!!

The evidence for what I posted is all there documented in the bible while your 12 and 99 year old concoction has no evidence in any document and yet u chose to believe the lie
..lol..the way the muslim mind works is unbelievable. .


I want to add that the bible makes it clear u marry a woman and not a
child..this is not even debatable. .
1 Corinthians 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality,
each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV / 1,012 helpful votes
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a
man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the
temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and
each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her
conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does
not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise
the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife
does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a
limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come
together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack
of self-control. ...
Leviticus 21:7 ESV / 38 helpful votes
They shall not marry a prostitute or a woman who has been defiled,
neither shall they marry a woman divorced from her husband, for the
priest is holy to his God.
notice the use of the word woman and not girl or female..




Enjoy ur folly..

seemples:
But she keeps inviting them by mentioning their names in a series like soldier ants...

This is an unfair comment.. I don't do that... i mention them when I have a question to ask or a story I want their opinions on..

[quote author=Empiree post=31346602][/quote]Can u and 9jaforlife stop mention ing my moniker unnecessarily. .

9jaforlife:
I don't care about your imaginary relative/friend. Me and you know it's all a lie! Evangelical lies Gosh you're so good at concocting lies. Lol

EVERYTIME you say that insults mean nothing to you. Looool. Why then do you complain about people insulting you? In almost all your posts? That bold part of your post almost made me drop my iPad with laughter. You must be suffering from chronic dementia

Why do you bother about the Prophet (PBUH) marrying Ayisha at 9, when Joseph at 90 married Marry at 12? Please don't bother lecturing me about the lies you've cooked to defend this. You know I won't buy it.

As for asking questions about Islam, you don't ask questions about Islam, you only throw all forms of attack at the religion to defame it. But even you know that you'll never succeed!

Islam is a fraud. ...ll the evidence points to it..

U know Mohammed was a pedophile but Joseph was a gentleman


Mary,the mother of Jesus was not 12 when she got married.
First,when she perceived that she has become pregnant,she went to
visit her cousin,elizabeth,not aunt,not mother,cousin. Now,being
cousins means that though there can be some age gap between
them,but they are contemporaries and friends(luke1:39-40). And
Elizabeth herself has well aged and has even long entered
menopause. Hence,mary couldn't be a teenager,not to talk of 12.
Secondly,it was also written that on getting pregnant,she relocated
from her house to Elizabeth's where she stayed with her for
3months before going back to her own house(see luke1:56). I don't
think a 12year old or even a teenager will be having her own house
at that time and even now.
Thirdly,her ability to independently move from her city to another
for 3months clearly shows that we are dealing with a mature
woman,not a teen or even less.
Fourthly,she was addressed throughout by both the angel and her
cousin as a woman(see luke1:28,42)
Fifthly,read her songs of exaltation from Luke1:46-55. It clearly
shows the intelliegence of a full grown woman who is knowledgable
in her ancestral history as she is of spiritual things.
As for Joseph,though no mention was ever made anywhere in the
bible of his age,the bible describes him as a just man which modern
scholars will refer to as a perfect gentleman.
Also,12years after Jesus was born,his parents were still going to
Jerusalem for their annual thanksgiving and this was a journey of
days by road. That would have put Joseph's age at 111 if he
married her at 99. Had it been so,the bible would have mentioned it
as chronological order was very important then.
Please,while we do not care about the lifestyle of your prophet,I
plead that you do not spread falsehood of christianity in trying to
justify this pitiable act of his.

9jaforlife:
Lol. You NEVER miss the chance to tell us about your imaginary friends who converted from Islam to Christianity. As if christians aren't converting to Islam too. And, why would you call someone your friend and then go ahead to criticize their religion? That's in bad taste! That's why I call you a bigot. And you think they don't have a right to be angry? I'm just trying to imagine what you'd have told them... "Your Prophet is a paedophile", "You're worshipping idol" etc. You say such s*tupid things and expect them to smile?

You people don't know how it feels because Muslims are not in the business of insulting other people's faiths.

Frist of all this person is a relative and not an ordinary friend
Secondly She renounced Islam.. I never said she is a christain. I don't know if she has converted. I will ask her when next we see.

Again I want to remind u that if I see a friend using illegal drugs or doin something harmful I will immediately call that person to order and I will not hesitate to criticize.

Finally, u Muslims have thrown all sorts of insults to me but I am not bothered and continue what ever I want to do.. -

Insults mean nothing, I learnt that a long time a go.. Even before I decided to be a serious christain I can't even remember using insults even as an adult. Your prophet was a paedophile, Aisha was 6 when he married her, he used to rub his pen.is on her thighs as a child till he ejaculat.ed and then at 9 slept with her, these events have been carefully documented by ur hadiths and bios on Mohammed the fraud.

He was also a pagan and spewed the satanic verses as the worlds First muslim.. We have discussed this things.

Peace.

Look I will ask questions about Islam its left on Muslims to explain or keep silent so others can learn about Islam. But we all know ur muslim reaction is to insult.

Empiree:
Listen Ife, you dont make any sense. Everything you accused us of you do just exact same or worst still. Arent you been speaking for Islam by creating nonsense threads claiming to know Islam better than muslims?. Dont you have sense?

And yes, I will teach you about Jesus. You dont know who he is...fact

Please feel free to create topics and "teach" me these things.

Empiree:
You are very ignorant and arrogant as well. You can say all you want. Jesus doesnt recognize you at all. He has no idea who ifeann is. He was not sent to you. He was sent to specific people not the whole world.

I wonder when u started speaking on behalf of Jesus. .. pls speak for Mohammed..

YourMain:
Look at your signature. I'm not in the mood for a lecture about your opinion. I really couldn't care less what you think about Muhammad. And I thought we were going to have a nice conversation.

Its not about my signature or what I think of Mohammed. . I get my information about Mohammed from ur quran and hadiths..notice I always use verses to back up my assertions... that is by the way..
Now run along if saying the truth about your prophet offends u.

Ahmadjr:
...
Like I care what u think about Islam. For every person like you, there are thousands who appreciate d beauty of Islam.
For u is ur religion n for me mine. Let our creator decide who ends up in hell. And believe me, the hour of that decision is closer than u think.
Farewell!

Ok.. so be prepared.

MuttleyLaff:
Didnt even take note of the date that the original thread was from October 2014
No wonder I briefly doubted the legitimacy of the thread and its title as it originated from OP

Agnostic atheist, right, a combo, must be insatiable
If you're unable to hang and air the dirty linen here, doubt anyone is going to click on any link put here or elsewhere to read your story
There is always coming to oneself and returning back after the prodigal, rebellion and wilderness experience

Lol I didn't even notice that he addressed himself as an agnostic atheist humanist ..phewwww.

Like I said before he is very new to athesim and I took note of him after seeing several comments of him mocking thiests and posting a silly pic of combating religious folks. I am not interested in reading his story.

Empiree:
one day..if u are lucky..u will seek forgiveness for a lot of curses and insults you said about Allah and His messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him). Do unto other what you would do to yourself (Matthew 7:12)

Its funny how u try to sell me Islam and yet quote christain scripture... Lol..

U will be quoting more of the bible if u are lucky to renounce Islam in the future.

YourMain:
I think they only speak to you like that cause you're really rude. Your intention is to degrade another religion rather than learn something. And your process, the way you speak, its really rude and uncalled for.

I never use insults on Muslims but I do dicuss Mohammed bluntly as reported from the quran and hadiths. U may consider the words rude but take that up with ur quran and hadiths

For example I usually say that Mohammed was pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile.

Was he a pagan. Yes, most likely.
For example;
1. Mohammed's Pagan father was called Abdullah, which means slave of Allah long before Mohammed started Islam.
2. The crescent moon and star is seen high above almost every mosque not to mention the moon god was allegedly one of the 360 gods of the kabba.
3. The muslim obsession with black clothes.
4. The Islamic black flag.
5. The kissing of the black stone done by Muslims which was started by Mohammed for no apparent reason.
6. The circling of the kabba.
7. Compulsory pilgrimage for Muslims which was done by pagans in mecca before Islam.
8. Bowing down and facing mecca when praying. Etc
9. Cultural Superstitions and unfounded hate for wall geckos, dogs(mans best friend), cats etc
All these are some of the red flags that indicate that there maybe more to Islam than meets the eye. These pagan practises are not seen in Judaism and Christianity which Mohammed claims are people of the book and says he is one of their "prophets". Could Islam be the worlds largest monotheistic pagan religion.


2.sex addict, yes certainly.
The quran and hadiths are filled with his relationships with his 11 - 13 wives, including sex with his sex slaves. It is everywhere in ur quran and hadiths.
3. slave trader.
Do I need to remind u of all the hadiths of him trading slaves including his exchange of 2 black slaves for one Arab slave ..etc
Here are some reminders for you from ur sources;
Bukhari (34:432)- Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked also asked about Reproduction interruptus.
Bukhari (47.765)- A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).
Bukhari (34:351)- Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.
4. mass murderer:
ï won't go into details in this because u know the truth from ur hadiths.
Let me remind u of some quran verses.
Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."
Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."
5. illiterate:
Muslims are the ones who tell me he was illiterate and he managed to recite the quran, this is in an effort to prove he was a prophet.
6. Arab:
Mohammed was an Arab or was he African.
7. Paedophile: yes he was, he married to Aisha and consummated the the marriage when she was nine years. Several Muslims say it was allowed in the Arab culture back then but I ask is it moral or right. ??
Look I don't even think Mohammed was an illiterate, I also think he was an intelligent man. I get offended when people call him names like silly or silly or any thing disparaging his intellect or not backed up by facts.
I also think Mohammed was brave and fearless. But these attributes do NOT make him a true prophet. Hilter, Stalin etc also had these attributes.

Rilwayne001:
I am not sick.

Sorry, i thought he is a pastor.

Water ni

Are christians christlike?

Muslim Bigot in your quest to attack christains u didn't even read the article before commenting.

johnydon22:
I was agnostic then tho, buh still clinged to christiandom due to sentimental attachments... we all go through that phase ..

Ok.. i see

YourMain:
Lol decent human? Muslims aren't decent humans no?

I have mentioned this on nairaland several times... I have nothing agaisnt muslims...I have muslim relatives..one recently renounced islam.. one of my best friends is a muslim who is pro executing homosexuals(I am agaisnt this but on the whole this person is educated and nice).. however these muslims are moderates who I can have lunch or whatever with but once islam is criticized ...Ka boom ..the spirit of islam kicks in with chants of Allah u snackbar..

Look at my chats with emp.iree 9jafo.rlife etc

YourMain:
Lol how do they behave?

Pastorkun yourmain has her muslim moments but a lot of the time she is a decent human to chat with.

For a sample of how Muslims behave when Islam is discussed look at the pics below..

johnydon22:
This was an old thread... I am proudly an agnostic atheist now (humanism is my opinion) planet earth is my church, fellow humans are my parishes... hope you get it now ... anyway click the link below and read my story..

Lol..
That ur post was from Oct last year. ..u were ready to defend ur Catholic faith..

I always knew u were new to the atheist fold...

Empiree:
I hate to do this but where do you think this will lead you?......three-headed gods theory that you can't defend the silly thing even got lipsticks

Like I have told u before ..one day..if u are lucky..u will seek forgiveness for a lot of these things u have done..

Rilwayne001:
^^^ chai malvisguy u sabi lie ooo.

He didn't lie...its all there..he gave evidence while u on the other hand chose to remind ignorant..

Christ calls himself son of man, and so. How is he incorrect. You forget he also calls himself (and is called) "son of God" dozens of time. Infact this is what led to his crucifixion since the Jews claimed he committed blasphemy. You also forget he controlled the weather instantly several times, something only God does,
your quran says;
Qur'an 4:171 "O people of the book! Commit no excesses in your
religion: nor say of God naught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son
of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which
He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: So believe
in God and His messengers..."

in contrast to truth,
(Philippians 2:5-9, NAS95) 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which
was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of
God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but
emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being
made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death,
even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him,
and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,


Jesus forgave sins, something only God does.
People he healed fell on their knees and worshipped him and yet he didn't say No don't worship me.
We Christians know on earth he had 2 natures human(son of man) and divine(son of God)


Your Koran says
Qur'an 4:157
They said (in boast), "we killed christ jesus the son of mary, the messenger of Allah". But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubt, without(certain) knowledge, but only conjective to follow, for a surety they killed him not.

And

Qur'an 9: 30
"AND THE JEWS SAY, EZRA IS THE SON OF Allah, AND THE CHRISTIAN SAY: THE MESSIAH IS THE SON OF Allah, THESE ARE THE WORDS OF THEIR MOUTHS; THEY INITIATE THE SAYING OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVED; MAY Allah DESTROY THEM; HOW THEY ARE TURNED AWAY

the bible clear tells us from a witness in Matthew 27:35, 35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments,
casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the
prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my
vesture did they cast lots.
1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a
stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

In Mark 14:61-62, Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man (Daniel 7:13) and
David's Lord (Psalm 110:1)
Jesus helped people who called him Lord, and never rebuked when people worshipped him (Matthew 14:30-33)
Moreover in John 5:22-23 22 , the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. Jesus judges us all, Jesus is one with God and the son of God. The scripture is very clear on the nature of Jesus and hours divinity. Check also Mark 11: 17-18 Mathew 11:27, 17:5,John 5:17-18 and peters answer to Christ's question about who he was in Mathew 16:16. Go to the old testament thousands of years before jesus and see the prophesy of his coming isaiah 40-3:5 for example

The scripture is also very clear in;
1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." Several times this term is used in the plural, and can be applied to almost anyone who is opposed to Christ. Those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are anti-Christ or of the spirit of antichrist.



1 John 4:1
beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world.

This is one of the ways to discern a false teacher from a true one.
In 1 Corinthians 14:33 My bible tells me in clear terms that God is not the author of confusion. There is so much confusion in Islam ask the Wahabi, Salafists, sunnis, shites alwaites, ahmedies. They kill each other because of this.

My bible also tell me in Matthew 7:15-20,“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."
Islams fruits are rotten and that's the truth my friend.

So in conclusion;
God the father acknowledged Jesus as his son (John 17:5, Matthew 17:5 And Mark 9:7)
Jesus called himself the Son of God and one with God (Matthew 11:27)

His disciples called him the son of God.

Isaiah from the old testament prophesied about him and called him the son of God.

Angel Gabriel in the first chapter of Luke called Jesus the Son of God.

John the baptist called Jesus the son of God.

The Jews who hated him accused him of claiming he is the Son of God and one with God. Eg Mark 11: 17-18

Demons he casted out called him the son of God.

Yet u Muslims choose to believe the words of

a monotheistic pagan
sex addicted
slave trader
mass murderer
illiterate Arab
paedophile wife beater called Mohammed who came 600 years after Christ and was poisoned by a jewish woman, died after suffering for 4 years while reciting chants hoping to be cured.

Wow. .
May the one true God, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, father of Jesus set you free when u come to him for truth.

Empiree:
And what's wrong defending your theology here?. I don't have time opening threads about what Tom, Dick and Harry believe. That's what you do best. Open a topic on your doctrine and we contribute

U knw if u ask questions u will have no option than to leave Islam. .see below for pic of wat makes u scared to leave..Mohammed says behead those that leave Islam. .God is greater than Islam and he will protect u should u renounce islam.

Ahmadjr:
...
Like seriously. If I had seen her other threads earlier, I wouldn't have bothered commenting. She's hell bent on tarnishing d image of Islam which is impossible.
Just know this Ifeann- it's only a matter of time, what u're seeking for, u'll surely find (in this life or d hereafter). I only hope it wouldn't b too late when you do find it.
#Peace

Islam will surely lead u to hell.. it is a filthy ideology.

PLEASE LOOK THRu MY TOPIC and if I lied about ur quran then expose it..

justlove91:
Though am also an ex Muslim (doesn't mean am a Christian or atheist now), came across this testimony a couple of years ago and just like to share it with you today, you wouldn't regret the read.
From Belief to Enlightenment:
The treacherous and arduous path

by Ali Sina
I was born into a moderately religious
family. On my mother’s side I have a few
relatives who are Ayatollahs. Although my
grandfather (whom I never met) was
somewhat a skeptic, we were believers.
My parents were not fond of the mullahs.
In fact, we did not have much to do with
our more fundamentalist relatives. We
liked to think of ourselves as believing in
“true Islam,” not the one taught and
practiced by the mullahs.
I recall discussing religion with the
husband of one of my aunts when I was
about 15 years old. He was a fanatical
Muslim who was very concerned about
the fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence). It
prescribes the way Muslims should pray,
fast, run their public and private lives, do
business, clean themselves, use the
toilet, and even copulate. I argued this
has nothing to do with true Islam, that it
is a fabrication of the Mullahs, that
excessive attention to fiqh diminishes the
impact and importance of the pure
message of Islam, to unite man with his
creator. This view is mostly inspired by
Sufism. Many Iranians, thanks to Rumi's
poems, are to a great degree Sufis in
their outlook.
In my early youth I noticed
discriminations and cruelties against the
members of religious minorities in Iran.
This was more noticeable in provincial
towns where the level of education was
low and the mullahs had a better grip
over gullible people. Due to my father’s
work we spent a few years in small towns
out of the capital. I recall one of my
teachers who planned to take the class
swimming. We were excited and looked
forward to it. In the class there were a
couple of kids who were Baha'i and
Jewish. The teacher did not let them
accompany us. He said they are not
allowed to swim in the same pool that
Muslims swim in. I cannot forget the kids’
disappointment as they left school with
tears in their eyes, subdued and
heartbroken. At that age, maybe nine or
ten, I could not make sense of and was
saddened by this injustice. I thought it
was the kid’s fault for not being Muslims.
I believe I was lucky for having open-
minded parents who encouraged me to
think critically. They tried to instill in me
the love of God and his messenger, yet
upheld humanistic values like equality of
rights between man and woman, and love
for all humankind. In a sense, this is how
most modern Iranian families were. In
fact, the majority of Muslims who have
some education believe Islam is a
humanistic religion that respects human
rights, that elevates the status of women
and protects their rights. Most Muslims
believe that Islam means peace. Needless
to say, few of them have read the Quran.
I spent my early youth in this sweet
dream, advocating “true Islam” as I
thought it should be, and criticizing the
mullahs and their deviations from the
real teachings of Islam. I idealized an
Islam that conformed to my own
humanistic values. Of course my
imaginary Islam was a beautiful religion.
It was a religion of equality and peace. It
was a religion that encouraged its
followers to go after knowledge and be
inquisitive. It was a religion that was in
harmony with science and reason. In fact,
I thought that science got its inspiration
from this religion. The Islam I believed
was a religion that sparkled with modern
science, which eventually bore its fruit in
the West and made modern discoveries
and inventions possible. Islam, I believed,
was the real cause of modern civilization.
The reason Muslims were living in such a
miserable state of ignorance, I thought,
was all the fault of the self-centered
mullahs and religious leaders who for
their own personal gain had
misinterpreted the real teachings of
Islam.
Muslims honestly believe that the great
Western civilization has its roots in Islam.
They recall great Middle Eastern scientific
minds whose contributions to science
have been crucial in the birth of modern
science.
Omar Khayyam was a great
mathematician who calculated the length
of the year with a precision of .74% of a
second. Zakaria Razi can very well be
regarded as one of the first founders of
empirical science who based his
knowledge on research and
experimentation. Avicenna's (Bu Ali Sina)
monumental encyclopedia of medicine
was taught in European universities for
centuries. There are so many more great
luminaries who have “Islamic names” who
were the pioneers of modern science
when Europe was languishing in the
medieval Dark Ages. Like all Muslims, I
believed all these great men were
Muslims, that they were inspired by the
wealth of hidden knowledge in the Quran;
and that if today's Muslims could regain
the original purity of Islam, the long lost
glorious days of Islam would return and
Muslims would lead the advancement of
World civilization once again.
Iran was a Muslim country but it was also
a corrupt country. The chance of getting
into a university was slim. Only one in ten
applicants could get into the university.
Often they were forced to choose
subjects that they did not want to study
because they could not get enough points
for the subjects of their choice. Students
with the right connections often got the
seats.
The standard of education in Iran was not
ideal. Universities were under-funded, as
the Shah preferred building a powerful
military might to become the gendarme
of the Middle East rather than build the
infrastructure of the country and invest in
people’s education. These were reasons
why my father thought I would be better
off to leave Iran to continue my education
elsewhere.
We considered America and Europe, but
my father, acting upon the counsel of a
few of his religious friends, thought
another Islamic country would be better
for a 16 year old boy. We were told that
the West’s morality is too lax, people are
perverted, the beaches are full of nudes,
and they drink and have licentious
lifestyles, all of which are dangers to a
young man. So I was sent to Pakistan
instead, where people were religious and
thus it was safe and moral. A friend of
the family told us that Pakistan is just like
England, except that it is cheaper.
This, of course, proved to be untrue. I
found Pakistanis to be as immoral and
corrupt as Iranians. Yes they were very
religious. They did not eat pork and I saw
no one consuming alcohol in public, but I
noticed they had dirty minds, lied, were
hypocrites, were cruel to women, and
above all, were filled with hatred of the
Indians. I did not find them better than
Iranians in any way. They were religious
but not moral or ethical.
In college, instead of taking Urdu I took
Pakistani Culture to complete my A level
FSc (Fellow of Science). I learned the
reason for Pakistan's partition from India
and for the first time heard about
Muhammad Ali Jinah, the man Pakistanis
called Qaid-e A’zam, the great leader. He
was presented as an intelligent man, the
Father of the Nation, while Gandhi was
spoken of in a derogatory way. Even then,
I could not but side with Gandhi and
condemn Jinah as an arrogant, ambitious
man who was the culprit for breaking up
a country and causing millions of deaths.
You could say I always had a mind of my
own and was a maverick in my thinking.
No matter what I was taught, I always
came to my own conclusion and did not
believe what I was told.
I did not see differences of religion as
valid reasons for breaking up a country.
The very word Pakistan was an insult to
the Indians. They called themselves pak
(clean) to distinguish themselves from
the Indians who were najis (unclean).
Ironically I never saw a people dirtier
than the Pakistanis both physically and
mentally. It was disappointing to see
another Islamic nation in such intellectual
and moral bankruptcy. In discussions with
my friends I failed to convince anyone of
“true Islam.” I condemned their bigotry
and fanaticism while they disapproved of
me for my un-Islamic views.
I related all this to my father and decided
to go to Italy for my university studies. In
Italy people drink wine and eat pork, but
they were more hospitable, friendlier, and
less hypocritical than Muslims. I noticed
people were willing to help without
expecting something in return. I met a
very hospitable elderly couple, who
invited me to have lunch with them on
Sundays, so I would not have to stay
home alone. They did not want anything
from me. They just wanted someone to
love. I was almost a grandson to them.
Only strangers in a new country, who do
not know anyone and cannot speak the
language, can truly appreciate the value
of the help and hospitality of the locals.
Their house was sparkling clean, with
shiny marble floors. This contradicted my
idea of Westerners. Although my family
was very open towards other people,
Islam taught me that non-Muslims are
najis (Q. 9:28 ) and one should not
befriend them. I still have a copy of the
Farsi translation of the Quran I used to
often read from. One of the underlined
verses is:
“O you who believe! Take not the Jews
and the Christians as awliya’ (friends,
protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but
awliya’ to one another… Q.5: 51
I had difficulty understanding the wisdom
of such a verse. I wondered why I should
not befriend this wonderful elderly couple
who had no ulterior motives in showing
me their hospitality than just making me
feel at home. I thought they were “true
Muslims” and I tried to raise the subject
of religion hoping they would see the
truth of Islam and embrace it. But they
were not interested and politely changed
the subject. I was not stupid enough at
anytime in my life to believe that all non-
believers would go to hell. I read this in
the Quran before but never wanted to
think about it. I simply brushed it off or
ignored it. Of course, I knew that God
would be pleased if someone recognized
his messenger but never thought he
would actually be cruel enough to burn
someone in hell for eternity, even if that
person only does good deeds, just
because he was not a Muslim. I read the
following warning:
If anyone desires a religion other than
Islam (submission to Allah), never will
it be accepted of him; and in the
Hereafter He will be in the ranks of
those who have lost (All spiritual
good). Q 3:85 ,
Yet I paid little heed and tried to
convince myself the meaning is
something other than what it appears to
be. At that moment this was not a
subject that I was ready to handle. So I
did not think about it.
I hung around with my Muslim friends
and noticed that most of them lived a
very immoral life of double standards.
Most of them found girlfriends and slept
with them. That was very un-Islamic, or
so I thought at that time. What bothered
me most was the fact that they did not
value these girls as real human beings
who deserved respect. These girls were
not Muslim girls and therefore were used
just for sex. This attitude was not
general. Those who made less show of
religiosity were more respectful and
sincere towards their western girlfriends
and some even loved them and wanted to
marry them. Paradoxically. those who
were more religious were less faithful
towards their girlfriends. I always thought
that true Islam is what is right. If
something is immoral, unethical,
dishonest or cruel, it cannot be Islam. I
could not see how the behavior of these
immoral and callous Muslims could be the
result of what was taught in Islam.
Years later I realized that the truth is
exactly the opposite. I found many verses
that were disturbing and made me revise
my whole opinion of Islam.
As I saw it, the tragedy was that the very
same people who lived unethically and
immorally were the ones who called
themselves Muslims, said their prayers,
fasted and were the first to defend Islam
angrily if anyone raised a question about
it. They where the ones who would lose
their temper and start a fight if someone
dared to say a word against Islam.
Once I befriended a young Iranian man at
the university restaurant, later
introducing him to two other Muslim
friends of mine. We were all about the
same age. He was an erudite, virtuous,
wise, young man. My other two friends
and I were captivated by his charm and
high moral values We used to wait for
him and sit next to him during lunch
hour, as we always learned something
from him. We used to eat a lot of
spaghetti and risotto and craved a good
Persian ghorme sabzi and chelow . Our
friend said his mother sent him some
dried vegetables and invited us to his
house the next Sunday for lunch. We
found his two-room apartment very
clean, unlike the houses of other guys. He
made us a delicious ghorme sabzi which
we ate with great gusto and then sat back
chatting and sipping our tea. It was then
we noticed his Baha’i books. When we
asked about them, he said he was a
Baha’i.
That did not bother me at all, but on the
way home my two friends said they did
not wish to continue their friendship with
him. I was surprised and asked why. They
said that being a Baha’i makes him najis
and had they known he was a Baha’i, they
would not have befriended him. I was
puzzled and enquired why they thought
he was najis if we all were complementing
him on his cleanliness. We all agreed he
was a morally superior man than all of the
Muslim young men we knew, so why this
sudden change of attitude? Their
response was very disturbing. They said
the name itself had something in it that
made them dislike this religion. They
asked me if I knew why everyone disliked
the Baha’is. I told them I didn’t know,
and that I liked everyone. But since they
disliked the Baha’is, perhaps they should
explain their reasons. They did not know
why! This man was the first Baha’i they
knew this well, and he was an exemplary
man. I wanted to know the reason for
their dislike. There was no particular
reason, they said. It’s just they know that
Baha’is are bad.
I am happy I did not continue my
friendship with these two bigots. From
them I learned how prejudice is formed
and operates.
Later I realized the prejudices and hatred
that Muslims harbor against almost all
non-Muslims is not the result of any
misinterpretation of the teachings of the
Quran, but is because this book teaches
hate and encourages prejudice. Those
Muslims who go to the mosques and
listen to the sermons of the mullahs are
affected. There are many verses in the
Quran that call believers to hate non-
believers, fight them, call them najis,
subdue and humiliate them, chop off
their heads and limbs, crucify them, and
kill them wherever they find them.

9jaforlife tartar9 rilwanye001 tola9ja empiree abuamam yourmain mathematical mrolai, ypeace, ayinba7 permit me to mention you to read these articles posted in this thread. Empiree 9jaforlife mrolai rilwanye001 u may want to note what this ex muslim says about why u Muslims are quick to get angry and insult.
Peace.

[quote author=Empiree post=31321103][/quote]Empiree thats Typical childish islamic ab.oki behaviour. .
U resort to this when the truth has overwhelmed ur mind


All is forgiven tho


I prefer the pic below


Mordified ...empiree I see u have removed that silly pic...that's a good boy.

Empiree:
^I can't even read. It's not interesting at all. Looks perfectly like copy/paste stuff...which is what i am sure it's. It's not legible at all.

You sound miserable. Are you okay ?. Like being frustrated bcuz of Islam and you can't even defend trinity or man-god. You just running all over NL.......smh

Dude u can't read it because the Islamic spirit in u has made u blind to the truth
.the words are in clear and intelligent 21st century English.

Empiree:
You just proved my point. I said this earlier:



And....

Mohammed was a false prophet and hence didn't need to warn u guys of false prophets.

Read this to see the history of islam and Mohammed

http://www.bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

parisbookaddict:
U can miss present ur quran and add words and ur own understanding yo it but I prefer to go straight to ur sources..


Do u deny that Slavery is deeply embedded in Islamic law and tradition. Although a slave-owner is cautioned against treating slaves harshly, basic human rights are not obliged. The very fact that only non-Muslims may be taken as slaves is evidence of Islam's supremacist doctrine.
Of the five references to freeing a slave in the Qur'an, three are prescribed as punitive measures against the slaveholder for unrelated sin, and limits the emancipation to just a single slave. Another (24:33) appears to allow a slave to buy their own freedom if they are "good." This is in keeping with the traditional Islamic practice of wealth-building through the taking and ransoming of hostages, which began under Muhammad.

A tiny verse in one of the earliest chapters, 90:13, does say that freeing a slave is good, however, this was "revealed" at a time when the Muslim community was miniscule and several of their new and potential recruits were either actual slaves or newly freed slaves. Many of these same people, and Muhammad himself, later went on to become owners and traders of slaves, both male and female, as they acquired the power to do so (there is not record of Muhammad owning slaves prior to starting Islam). The language of the Qur'an changed to accommodate slavery, which is why this early verse has had negligible impact on slavery in the Islamic world.
Contrary to popular belief, converting to Islam does notautomatically earn a slave his freedom, although doing so is said to increase a slave master's heavenly reward (Muslim slaves are implied in Qur'an (4:92)). As far as the Islamic courts are concerned, a master may treat his slaves however he chooses without fear of punishment. Contrary to old testament laws.

By contrast, Christianity was a major impetus in the movement to abolish the age-old institution of slavery. Yet, abolition had to be imposed on the Islamic world by the European West.
Given that there have never been abolitionary movement within the Islamic world, it is astonishing to see contemporary Muslims write their religion into the history of abolition. The lie - that the eradication of slavery had something to do with Islam - has been repeated so often that those who parrot are blissfully ignorant of its lack of factual foundation.
There was no William Wilberforce or Bartoleme de las Casas in Islam. As mentioned, Muhammad, the most revered figure in the religion, practiced and approved of slavery. Even his own pulpit was built with slave labor. Caliphs since have had harems of hundreds, sometimes thousands of young girls and women brought from Christian, Hindu and African lands to serve Islam's religious equivalent of the pope in the most demeaning fashion.

One of Muhammad's closest companions was Umar, who became the 2nd caliph only two years after Muhammad died. It is fair to say that he would have known Islam better than any contemporary apologist - those who say that slaves can only be captured in war and wars can only be waged in self-defense.
Under Umar's authority, Arab armies in Egypt invaded Black Africa to the south and attempted to conquer the Christian Makurians who were living there peacefully. Although the Muslims were held off, the Makurians had to sign a treaty to prevent recurring invasions. The terms of the Baqtincluded an annual payment of 360 "high quality" African slaves. The treaty stood for 700 years with no mention of the slightest opposition from generations of Muslim clerics and scholars.
Umar himself was stabbed to death by a slave whose liberty he refused to grant. In this case, the slave was captured during the campaign against a Persia, one of many offensive wars waged by the Muslims against people who were not attacking them.



Modern day apologists and unintelligent muslim defenders such as urself empiree , while trying to defend slavery under Islam, generally ignore the basic fact that reducing people to property is dehumanizing. Instead, they distract from this by comparing the theoretical treatment of slaves under Sharia with the worst examples of abuse from the era of European slavery.
The first problem with this is that the actual practice of Muslim slavery was often remarkably at odds with the relatively humane treatment prescribed by Sharia. For example, according to the Ghanan scholar John Azumah, nearly three times as many captured Africans died in harsh circumstances related to their transport to Muslim lands than were ever even enslaved by Europeans.
A more insurmountable problem for the Muslim apologist who insists that slavery is "different" under Islam is presented by the many examples of Muhammad and his companions selling captured slaves to non-Muslim traders for material goods. The welfare of the slave was obviously of no consequence.
Another myth about Islamic slavery is that it was not race-based. In fact it was. Muhammad's father-in-law, Umar, in his role as caliph, declared that Arabs could not be taken as slaves and even had all Arab slaves freed on his deathbed. This helped propel the vast Islamic campaign to capture slaves in Africa, Europe and Asia for importing into the Middle East.
The greatest slave rebellion in human history took place in Basra, Iraq beginning in 869. A half-million African slaves staged a courageous uprising against their Arab-Islamic masters that lasted fifteen years before being brutally suppressed.

After the Islamic State kidnapped and pressed into slavery thousands of Yazidi women and children in 2014, the caliphate issued an FAQ of sorts on slavery which included rules on sexually molesting children: It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn’t reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however, if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse. The best that "mainstream" apologists could muster in response was a letter appealing to "the reality of contemporary times", meaning that Islam has no fixed moral positionon the rape of woman and children.
Since Muhammad was a slave owner and slavery is permitted by the Qur'an, the Muslim world has never apologized for this dehumanizing practice. Even Muslims in the West will often try to justify slavery under Islam, since it is a part of the Qur'an.


In Accordance with ur dirty religion Islamic State members at one of the caliphate's sex slave markets in November, 2014. A price list was released setting the rate Yazidi and Christian girls between ages 10 and 20 at $130. Women between the ages of 20 and 30 were being sold for $86; a 30 to 40 year was being sold for $75 and 40 to 50 year old women were listed for sale at a price of $43.
The price list began with these words: "In the name of Allah, most gracious and merciful. We have received news that the demand in women and cattle markets has sharply decreased and that will affected Islamic State revenues as well as the funding of the Mujaheddin in the battlefield. We have made some changes. Below are the prices of Yazidi and Christian women."


Qur'an (2:178)- "O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female." The message of this verse, which prescribes the rules of retaliation for murder, is that all humans are notcreated equal. The human value of a slave is less than that of a free person (and a woman's worth is also distinguished from that of a man's).
Qur'an (16:75)- "Allah sets forth the Parable (of two men: one) a slave under the dominion of another; He has no power of any sort; and (the other) a man on whom We have bestowed goodly favours from Ourselves, and he spends thereof (freely), privately and publicly: are the two equal? (By no means praise be to Allah." Yet another confirmation that the slave is is not equal to the master. In this case it is plain that the slave owes his status to Allah's will. (According to 16:71, the owner should be careful about insulting Allah by bestowing Allah's gifts on slaves

Qur'an (33:50)- "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" This is one of several personal-sounding verses "from Allah" narrated by Muhammad - in this case allowing himself a virtually unlimited supply of sex partners. Other Muslims are restrained to four wives, but, following the example of their prophet, may also have sex with any number of slaves, as the following verse make clear:
Qur'an (23:5-6)- "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Qur'an (70:29-30). The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, then sex slavery must be very important to him.
Qur'an (4:24)- "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.
Qur'an (8:69)- "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."
Qur'an (24:32)- "And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." Breeding slaves based on fitness.

Abu Dawud 1814- "...[Abu Bakr]He then began to beat[his slave]him while the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) was smiling and saying: Look at this man who is in the sacred state (putting on ihram), what is he doing?" The future first caliph of Islam is beating his slave for losing a camel while Muhammad looks on in apparent amusement.
Ibn Ishaq (734)- A slave girl is given a "violent beating" by Ali in the presence of Muhammad, who does nothing about it.
Abu Dawud 38:4458- Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: “A slave-girl belonging to the house of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) committed fornication. He (the Prophet) said: Rush up, Ali, and inflict the prescribed punishment on her. I then hurried up, and saw that blood was flowing from her, and did not stop. So I came to him and he said: Have you finished inflicting (punishment on her)? I said: I went to her while her blood was flowing. He said: Leave her alone till her bleeding stops; then inflict the prescribed punishment on her. And inflict the prescribed punishment on those whom your right hands possess (i.e. slaves)”. A slave girl is ordered by Muhammad to be beaten until she bleeds, and then beaten again after the bleeding stops. He indicates that this is prescribed treatment for slaves ("those whom your right hand possesses".


Do u want more inform on how ur sex craved prophet treated slaves.. continue defending the fraud..

Empiree 9jaforlife u still haven't even tried to explain this. ..defending Mohammed is bound to fail because he was a terrorist..the frist terrorist from Islam.

Empiree:
And this. How's is it any better from this article of yours?
[size=15pt]Pastor Arrested For Impregnating 20 Women In His Church, Including Married Ones[/size] He's damn right. Bible's 'holy spirit' instructed him
https://www.nairaland.com/2179428/pastor-arrested-impregnating-20-women

Lol.. this is disgusting. . We christains know that false prophets have gone into the world. .

1 John 4:1
beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world.

Matthew 7:15-20,“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.

unfortunately people who don't read the bible will fall victim.

Even tho Mohammed approves of polygamy (legalzed adultery) and sex with sex slaves ...it is only right to say Mohammed would not have approved of this especially if the man is married..
if a muslim does this that the pastor did he has to be stoned to death for adultery. .