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YourMain:
Lol nah one of my besties is gay . If that is sharia law, it doesn't instruct us to do so, but pious leaders of the Islamic nation. Also, not homosexuals, just those performing homosexual acts. Muhammad did protect a woman who was an adulteress.

That's when those some need morals. They claim to have religion but no morals. Then religion stands completely useless.

Please where is the passage in the quran of Mohammed protecting an adultress..
Also bear in mind that he revived stonings which was dying out from Jewish practise and not practised by christains nor even the pagans during his time.

Empiree:
Maam, now stop that nonsense. You have no idea who you talking to. If you want to debate openly about theology, i can refer you. But conversion to worship man-god, 3-headedgods will not happen.
Your confusion and delusion alone is enough. You believe God impregnated a woman(auzubillah), then He begot according to you, then the boy grew up and overthrew His father and himself is now God. Fantastic. Now get that conversion thing from your head.....3-headedgod worshiper

Empiree does this mean u won't be booking the flight.

Empiree:
There is no point having intelligent discussion with you. It wont make any sense to you. I will not debate a bigot. You guys are clearly plain enemies of Allah and His messenger. Bigots will be treated exactly the way they present themselves.

Debate with bigots is better of in person->Face to face dialogue<-. I will be glad to refer you to muslim preacher in SW should you want debate live. You can openly challenge him. That's more sensible. But online is just rants rants and rants. So you will be met here same way you present yourself. Pls, do let me know if you are interested. Thanks

It seems you can't debate without uttering offensive statements that you consider "truth". Unless and until you call your brain to order, there is no formal discussion with you.

If u are serious about this I can give u my details for u to book my ticket (return ticket of course) during my vacation in the next few months...

I would like to see how empiree looks.. maybe I can convince u to leave Islam in person.

But I do have safety concerns. .

Peace..

YourMain:
Not English love. Arabic. Jihad means to struggle. When you stop leading from hate sites and stop filling your heart with hate then we shall talk.

Your main I don't hate.. it's not good for u....I make it clear that I detest Islam. ..sometimes when I study some hadiths passages I actually want to throw up. .I kidd u not..

Perhaps I have studied islam more that many Muslims in nairaland. Also notice how I back up my narrative with verses as evident...

Now back to jihad... I have gone to this pro islamic propaganda site to give u their definition...the site belongs to the islamic supreme council
..remember such sites use al taqiyyah to promote islam...


http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9


"The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving.
The arabic word for war is: "al-harb".
In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), "jihad" has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam. my comment : this is lesser or greater jihad
If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force ... "END

This dudes tired their best to portray jihad as nice But I hope u can see how they agree with my earlier post..

plaetton:
@op
Your opinions on this topic are childish, self-serving, comedic, insulting and very vexatious to anyone with common sense and humane.

Here, acting cognitively dissonant, you are trying to spin and rationalise biblical slavery as being " not so bad" because it was necessitated by economic needs rather than racial considerations.
What a load of cow dung.

Slavery is slavery, whether it is your siblings or a foreigner of another race.

The continuing episodes of moral schizophrenia amongst you religiotards always shocks me in no small measure.

We have a word Smith here... I like..

Dude I understand ur view..yes I do.. I actually see why u would say that..but u are wrong..

Before we continue. I want to ask u something. .ur answer is very important.

DO U KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD " gentleman'..

YourMain:
Nope. Jihad means to struggle. Do you own a dictionary?

I mean u no offense but when I want to learn english I get a dictionary and when I want to learn about islam I get my information from the quran and hadiths. Don't ask me questions u know the answer to.

YourMain:
Well others aren't me? Others have opinions outside mine

Jihad means to struggle. End of.

Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word "mujahada", signifying warfare to establish the religion. And it is the lesser jihad.

As for the greater jihad, it is spiritual warfare against the lower self, (nafs), which is why the Prophet said as he was returning from jihad, "We have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad."The scriptural basis for jihad, prior to scholarly consensus is such Koranic verses as:1) Fighting is prescribed for you (2:216)2) Slay them wherever you find them (4:89)3) Fight the idolaters utterly (9:36)and such Hadiths as the one related by Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet said:"I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And their final reckoning is with Allah.



u need to understand something about Mohammed. His teachings can roughly be divided into 2 categories.
1. Warner Mohammed: he was just starting his religion in mecca.. he claimed to be a warner. Muslims were a tiny minority, they were persecuted alledgely. He gave a lot of friendly verses including, the often quoted " no complusion in religion verse" in an effort to win fellowers. He even gave the now famous satanic verses which he recited in an effort to win polytheists/ pagans as fellows. Muslims often quotes verses from this period of mohammeds life in form of al taqiyyah. Most moderate Muslim apologists do this.


Warrior Mohammed: this is the Mohammed we now know. He leaves mecca for Medina. His fellowership grows. He is now robbing caravans, raping women, taking slaves and beheading people. He claims Revelations are coming to him to slay polytheists and fight christains and Jews. etc..revelations keep coming at the whims of his desires..he takes and sleeps his adopted sons wife, he makes adoption illegal out of shame. He sleeps with baby aisha, he starts collecting sex slaves and having sex with them etc... Most extremist Muslims and Islamic fanatics appeal to these verses revealed during this point of his life.


Its a bit complicated because if u read the quran it is not arranged chronological. Its topic based but a timeline commentary of the events and verses will show this for a fact

plaetton:
What exactly is going on in your mind.
The bible, the supposed inspired words of god, condones slavery and r.ap.e. , whether through song, poetry or injunction is irrelevant.
The bible supports all forms of slavery, including fathers selling their daughters.

These are not the opinions of atheists. These are facts written in black and white in the bible.

I created a topic to address these allegations..

www.nairaland.com/2161012/lets-take-look-slavery-contained

u are encouraged to contribute to the discussion. .

Empiree:
[size=15pt]Gospel Of Barnabas[/size]
Page 17, Chapter 17

17. In this chapter is clearly perceived the unbelief of Christians, and the true faith of Mumin(Muslims).

When Jesus had said this, Philip answered: 'We are content to serve God, but we desire, however, to know God. For Isaiah the prophet said: "Verily thou art a hidden God," and God said to Moses his servant: "I am that which I am."

Jesus answered: 'Philip, God is a good without which there is naught good; God is a being without which there is naught that is; God is a life without which there is naught that liveth; so great that he filleth all and is everywhere. He alone hath no equal. He hath had no beginning, nor will he ever have an end, but to everything hath he given a beginning and to everything shall he give an end. He hath no father nor mother; he hath no sons, nor brethren, nor companions. And because God hath no body, therefore he eateth not, sleepeth not, dieth not, walketh not, moveth not, but abideth eternally without human similitude, for that he is incorporeal, uncompounded, immaterial, of the most simple substance. He is so good that he loveth goodness only; he is so just that when he punisheth or pardoneth it cannot be gainsaid. In short, I say unto thee, Philip, that here on earth thou canst not see him nor know him perfectly; but in his kingdom thou shalt see him for ever: wherein consisteth all our happiness and glory.'

Philip answered: 'Master, what sayest thou? It is surely written in Isaiah that God is our father; how, then, hath he no sons?'

Jesus answered: 'There are written in the prophets many parables, wherefore thou oughtest not to attend to the letter, but to the sense. For all the prophets, that are one hundred and forty-four thousand, whom God hath sent into the world, have spoken darkly. But after me shall come the Splendour of all the prophets and holy ones, and shall shed light upon the darkness of all that the prophets have said, because he is the messenger of God.'(<-prophet Muhammad is referenced here...so clear). And having said this, Jesus sighed and said: 'Have mercy on Israel, O Lord God and look with pity upon Abraham and upon his seed, in order that they may serve thee with truth of heart.

His disciples answered: 'So be it, O Lord our God!'

Jesus said: 'Verily I say unto you, the scribes and doctors have made void the law of God with their false prophecies, contrary to the prophecies of the true prophets of God: Wherefore God is wroth with the house of Israel and with this faithless generation.' His disciples wept at these words, and said: 'Have mercy, O God, have mercy upon the temple and upon the holy city, and give it not into contempt of the nations that they despise not thy holy covenant.' Jesus answered: 'So be it, Lord God of our fathers.'

Read the above^ very well. Jesus clearly predicted distortion of his message and law. There are at least forty(40) different Bibles. Most contradict one another. Some Bible are missing verses and chapters. They even have "kiddie Bible", "Skate Bible", "Women Bible", "Amplified Bible". Very ridiculous!
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Lol. ... please. who who is this Barnabas. ..I hope u know these nonsense u quote are forgeries. there are others like it that historical analysis and dating have firmly confirmed as frauds just like islam..the quest of of the antichrist didn't start today...

Empiree:
They think we are foolish

Let's look at Jesus or mohammed according to ur quran

- Quran mentions in sura 19 that Jesus was born by immaculate conception . That implies that Prophet Mowas conceived from lustful sex like a low life animal.

- , Quran designated one whole sura to the mother of Jesus (Mary,sura 19). Poor Mo’s mother Amina was noteven mentioned once, leave alone naming a sura after her.

- Quran says Jesus was a born a genius who could talk as a new born (5.110) . It also says that Mo was born as a mòron who could never learn to read or write all his life (7.157,7.158).

Quran says Jesus could make a clay bird and give life to it (5.110). That means he was capable of creating his own food. On the other hand Allah had to make stealing halal for Mo because Mo was not capable of earning his own bread (8.1,8.41) .

Quran says Jesus could give life to dead people (5.110) . On the other hand Mo could only kill live people dead (3.152,8.17,8.67,33.26-27)..
(Mo holds the world record of beheading 900 men of Quraiza in a single day)

- Quran says Jesus could give sight to the blind (5.110). Mo took the sight away from of the seeing . (He had eyes of the Ukul men gouged because they had stolen Mo’s stolen camels ).

- Quran says Allah gave Jesus capability of curing incurable diseases like leprosy (5.110). Allah gave no such power to Mo (20.133). His own most beloved sonIbrahim ( from his sex slave Maria) died in front of him, although Mo prayed and begged Allah for his health for several nights.

- Allah made Jesus a saint who never lusted women . Allah made Mo a Satan who killed innocent men and enslaved their wives and daughters and raped them 33.50).

Allah made Jesus a very loving man who loved children .Allah made Mo a pedophile who made love to children (65.4).

- Quran says Jesus did not die , he was raised to heaven by Allah . Allah did no such favors for Mo. He was buried in ground to rot after he died a very painful death, poisoned by his enemies..

YourMain:
Lol I completely disagree. Id like to think I'm a good person and I'm also a good muslim.

yourmain u know very well my view of ur behavior. I have complimented u on it .. I don't know much about how u practise ur version of islam but so far u have conducted yourself like someone I would like to know .. keep it up..

peace.

johnydon22:
Lol end word I am an atheist... now move on

Hey buddy..we have had several friendly exchanges on nairaland. It doesn't have to change.. u made an offensive remark about christainity and I had to call u to order..I respect ur right to chose what u see fit for ur life. Unlike the muslims who are commanded to slay pagans and athesits i have nothing but love for u man...

Have a nice weekend.

OREMUSSANCTUS:
ifeann dearie, I just finished reading dis guyz story, so happy for him. I know d decision is kind of tough for u to take buh its d best. U can never be a good person at d same time be a good muslim. Being a good muslim and a good person are inversely related. I only pray d likes of Empiree Rilwayne001 9jaforlife Tartar9 tola9ja and co instead of mocking ya, reflect abt dem lives and see dat dey all ve bin living a life of false. Ma bro, I won't force ya to be a christian, buh ya nid to be rooted in Christ, try attend a fellowship on campus, and makke it low key. Ifeann, we nid to kip educating people on d nid to challenge dem religious leaders abt dem religion. Once muslims re able to ask dem religious leaders questions dey begin to see d false in islam! On behalf of dis section we say thanks ifeann, why I left dis forum was wen ya said ya were going to de_activate dis moniker, was really sad. And I hope u not going to do dat! Thanks in advance dearie. To d OP, once again I salute thy courage and I pray ya be bold to stand anytin dat come ya way. Using a mobile fone, pardon ma errors! #shalom

Thanks oremussanctus. .I told the mods I will delete my account if my topics are not returned from the Islamic section..
In order to keep my word I deleted my first nairaland account created in 2011...Ifeann is staying...

justlove91:
@all
Thanks for the advice but I must say I just want to stay off religion, I don't think I need it and don't worry, I can NEVER be an atheist or agnostic.
@Ifeann
Thanks for the info about Johny, really was surprised

U are welcome.. I am very interested in ur journey..would love updates..I know other ex muslims . .plus ur writing skills and comments is refreshing. ..

Stay happy

johnydon22:
Agnostic atheism wikipedia encyclopedia Agnostic atheism, also called atheistic agnosticism , is a philosophical position that
encompasses both atheism and agnosticism . Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do
not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the
existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism ... smh... Now you see how ridiculous and ignorant you sound.. Now am done correcting you in this forum again..

Yes "Wikipedia " is an "excellent" source.. u think I made my statement without googling frist. ..just like the term "new atheist" agnostic atheism is a recent nonsensical term invented by the godless to make sense of their ideology and distance themselves from old school atheism. There are a lot of terms in the spectrum of the atheist ideology. .

ebenice:
did u really mean that or it was a mistake?

Lol...read the bible it's there.. infact Christ's first miracle was to turn water to wine..and remember the last supper ..lol...it was bread and wine that was shared..

Wine is good..

vanen2:
When an European Airline was
initially launched, an educated
Christian gentleman was
Traveling in the first class section.
An air hostess approached him
with a complimentary drink, this
was an alcoholic drink, so that
man politely refused.
The air hostess returned but this
time brought the drink on a
platter, designed to appeal and
impress, however the man again
politely refused, explaining he
doesn't drink alcohol.
The air hostess was concerned
and informed the manager. The
manager approached man with
another platter, now designed
with flowers, he questioned, “is
there something wrong with our
service? please enjoy the drink, it
is a complimentary offer.” The
man replied, “I am a Christian and
I do not drink alcohol.” The
manager still insisted that the
man take the drink.
Then, the Christian proposed that
the manager should give the
drink to the pilot first. The
manager stated, “how can the
pilot drink alcohol, he’s on duty!?
And if he drinks there are all
chances for the plane to crash”.
The passenger with tears in his
eye, replied, “I am a Christian and
I am ALWAYS on duty in order to
protect my FAITH and if I Drink
Alcohol I will crash my whole life
here and hereafter.
I AM 100% ON DUTY!
ARE YOU ALWAYS ON DUTY?
CHALLENGE: When you profess to
have tested of the grace of God
through Salvation and the time of
test of your Christian Faith comes,
will you pass the test? And
Remain on duty for our Lord?

Fact 1 all alcohol is not wine
Fact 2 excessive alcohol and even wine is bad for the health
Fact 3 wine in moderate amounts is very good for several health conditions
Fact 4 the quran doesn't know anything about the benefits of wine and hence condemned it and of course drunk jihadists don't make good warriors

Fact 5 the bible knows about the health benefit of wine and approves it in moderation..

Wine is good my friend

Apparently this newbie needs to be told that agnostic and atheist means 2 different things..it's an oxymoron to use the words in a way to claim u are both...