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tola9ja:
AM TIRED OF UR FABRICATION BUT BEFORE I CAN REPLY YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION

https://www.nairaland.com/2098054/questions-all-reasonable-christians/2

Any intelligent person who has read past commentary by muslim and Christian apologists as well as is knowledgeable on both sides of the argument -i.e crucified or not crucified will immediately tell u that ur argument is baseless, error filled and not backed up by historic evidence, not to mention biblical records and OT prophecies .

Please make sure u put the name of the pro Islamic propaganda website u copied this from. I often would like to visit them..

I don't have the time to explain these errors in ur own understanding to you, u are free to go to the bible and read those verses I cited... but I will let one of the leading muslim scholars Reza Aslan , who has extensively studied about Jesus and is an author of books criticising the new testament/christain historic manuscripts tell u in his own words. I don't agree with all he says ...but da.mn he, a muslim, studied the historic evidence and concluded the quran is very wrong..and Jesus was indeed crucified and died..infact click the link let him do the talking....remember ur quran says he wasn't , it was all your Allah's deception ( to create a religion that he would later bring Mohammed to fight 600years later) .

http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=q0-7D75ftmk
For any christain,atheist, muslim that is in doubt of the topic please watch this debate by the best muslim apologist in the world shirby Ali (this is not my opinion but he is very intelligent, nakir zaki doesn't come close ) and christain theologian Dr mike licona as they debate the topic...

A Point to note is that upcoming christain apologist Dr Nabeel Qureshi(exmuslim) saw this debate and finally renounced Islam. So be careful when u watch it, u may leave Islam. All my claims are verifiable online, make sure to google for it (mike licona debates shirby Ali on youtube ).Here is the link as well
http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=kgUjaXHyBsw

malvisguy212:
very funny guy, derailing your own thread.

I CHALLENGE YOU TO POINTS OUT THE FABRICATION IN MY POST.

Dint your thread say "Jesus son of man"? Who is the man?the quran address Jesus by his mother name, IN WHAT CULTURE IS A MAN ADRESS BY HIS MOTHER NAME?WHO IS THE FATHER?

God will wait for 600 years before sending muhammed to say "Jesus is not the son of God"? This is pure satanic manipulation.

Its not only satanic manipulation, its utter stupidity to Believe such nonsense from an Arab illiterate war mongering sex addict paedophile. Only a brainwashed closeminded muslim believes such nonsense.

[quote author=tola9ja post=30833075][/quote]Salam
Dude apparently u didn't read all those chapters and verse I asked u to cross check with a bible.

I won't copy and paste verses here for u, I want u to investigate it for yourself in the bible and form the habit of looking into the bible for yourself. I won't spoon feed u..
I will leave the reader who is willing to use common sense and investigate to see who is right or wrong in this conversation.

Shalom

wiegraf:
On a serious note, move along if it's beyond you. I'll highlight that it points out that your fellow muslims are, amongst many other rather heinous things, slavers. In this f-ing day and age....

Also, their beliefs are justified as far as islamic doctrine is concerned.....undeniably so.....

Forget tartar9 he is lost in his folly and ignorance.

This was a long and informative read.

Good job.

tola9ja:
Luke 22:67-71Revised Standard Version (RSV)

67 “If you are the Christ, tell us.” But he said to them, “If I tell you, you will not believe; 68 and if I ask you, you will not answer. 69 But from

now on the Son of man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.” 70 And they all said, “Are you the Son of God, then?” And he

said to them, “You say that I am.[/b]LOL” 71 And they said, “What further testimony do we need? We have heard it ourselves from his own lips.”




Matthew 10:23Revised Standard Version (RSV)

23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the[b] Son of man comes.




Matthew 19:28Revised Standard Version (RSV)

28 Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of man [/b]shall sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me

will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


I WONDER WHY SOME BRAINWASHED CHRISTIANS {Malvisguy212, Ifeann, OREMUSSANCTUS, PastorKun}IGNORANTLY CALLED HIM LORD AND SAVOIR #SMH



CALLING JESUS SON OF GOD IS A METAPHORICAL STATEMENT HE NEITHER BEGETS NOR IS BORN


Al-Ikhlas
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One, (1) Allah, the Eternal Refuge. (2) He neither begets nor is born, (3) Nor is there to Him any equivalent." (4)
QURAN112:1-4
Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,

112:2

Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
112:3

He neither begets nor is born,
112:4
[b]
And to Him none could be co-equal.

Surat Fuşşilat (Explained in Detail) - سورة فصلت

Say, O [Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God;

IF YOU STILL IGNORANTLY BELIEVE JESUS IS SON OF GOD THAT MEANS GOD HAS MANY SON EVEN JESUS IS NOT HIS 1ST BORN


Genesis 6:1-2English Standard Version (ESV)
Increasing Corruption on Earth

6 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.



Romans 8:12-14King James Version (KJV)

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.





John 1:12King James Version (KJV)

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:





Psalm 2:5-7English Standard Version (ESV)

5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath,
and terrify them in his fury, saying,
6 “As for me, I have set my King
on Zion, my holy hill.”

7 I will tell of the decree:
The Lord said to me, “You are my Son;
today I have begotten you


1 Chronicles 22:10King James Version (KJV)

10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.



Jeremiah 31:9English Standard Version (ESV)

9 With weeping they shall come,
and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back,
I will make them walk by brooks of water,
in a straight path in which they shall not stumble,
for I am a father to Israel,
and Ephraim is my firstborn.







Exodus 4:22English Standard Version (ESV)

22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, Israel is my firstborn son



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Hey dude. .. Get a bible and ur quran out let me educate u..

You say Christ calls himself son of man, and so. How is he incorrect. You forget he also calls himself (and is called) "son of God" dozens of time. Infact this is what led to his crucifixion since the Jews claimed he committed blasphemy. You also forget he controlled the weather instantly several times, something only God does,
your quran says;
Qur'an 4:171 "O people of the book! Commit no excesses in your
religion: nor say of God naught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son
of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which
He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: So believe
in God and His messengers..."

in contrast to truth,
(Philippians 2:5-9, NAS95) 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which
was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of
God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but
emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being
made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death,
even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him,
and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,


Jesus forgave sins, something only God does.
People he healed fell on their knees and worshipped him and yet he didn't say No don't worship me.
We Christians know on earth he had 2 natures human(son of man) and divine(son of God)


Your Koran says
Qur'an 4:157
They said (in boast), "we killed christ jesus the son of mary, the messenger of Allah". But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubt, without(certain) knowledge, but only conjective to follow, for a surety they killed him not.

And

Qur'an 9: 30
"AND THE JEWS SAY, EZRA IS THE SON OF Allah, AND THE CHRISTIAN SAY: THE MESSIAH IS THE SON OF Allah, THESE ARE THE WORDS OF THEIR MOUTHS; THEY INITIATE THE SAYING OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVED; MAY Allah DESTROY THEM; HOW THEY ARE TURNED AWAY

the bible clear tells us from a witness in Matthew 27:35, 35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments,
casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the
prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my
vesture did they cast lots.
1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a
stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

In Mark 14:61-62, Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man (Daniel 7:13) and
David's Lord (Psalm 110:1)
Jesus helped people who called him Lord, and never rebuked when people worshipped him (Matthew 14:30-33)
Moreover in John 5:22-23 22 , the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. Jesus judges us all, Jesus is one with God and the son of God. The scripture is very clear on the nature of Jesus and his divinity.

Please Check also Mark 11: 17-18
Mathew 11:27,
Matthew17:5,
John 5:17-18 and peters answer to Christ's question about who he was in Mathew 16:16. Go to the old testament thousands of years before jesus and see the prophesy of his coming isaiah 40-3:5 for example

The scripture is also very clear in;
1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." Several times this term is used in the plural, and can be applied to almost anyone who is opposed to Christ. Those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are anti-Christ or of the spirit of antichrist.

1 John 4:1
beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world.

This is one of the ways to discern a false teacher from a true one.
In 1 Corinthians 14:33 My bible tells me in clear terms that God is not the author of confusion. There is so much confusion in Islam ask the Wahabi, Salafists, sunnis, shites alwaites, ahmedies. They kill each other because of this.

My bible also tell me in Matthew 7:15-20,“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."
Islams fruits are rotten and that's the truth my friend.

So in conclusion;
God the father acknowledged Jesus as his son (John 17:5, Matthew 17:5 And Mark 9:7)
Jesus called himself the Son of God and one with God (Matthew 11:27)

His disciples called him the son of God.

Isaiah from the old testament prophesied about him and called him the son of God.

Angel Gabriel in the first chapter of Luke called Jesus the Son of God.

John the baptist called Jesus the son of God.

The Jews who hated him accused him of claiming he is the Son of God and one with God. Eg Mark 11: 17-18

Demons he casted out called him the son of God.


Yet u Muslims choose to believe the words of
A monotheistic pagan
sex addicted
slave trader
mass murderer
illiterate Arab paedophile wife beater who came 600 years after Christ and was poisoned by a jewish woman, died after suffering for 4 years while reciting chants hoping to be cured.

May the one true God, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, father of Jesus set you free when u come to him for truth.

muhsin:
The OP said he had never seen where followers of any religion kill in the name of their religion. Although that was silly, to say the least, I however responded, at least for the sake of other readers. Now another equally ignorant fella has come with his, quoting verses out of context. How funny!

People should know that no religion has manopoly of terrorism. The above links have clearly shown that.

And please reread the article the OP 'replied' to. And this one also:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6662460#

Salam.

Its funny how u say the verses are out of context, pls give us the context.. Ur muslim lies are running out.

Again it is funny u give an article written by the huffpost.com.. Apparently ur imam didn't tell u those guys are heathens and atheists bent on promoting the securalist agenda and anti Christianity and even anti religious sentiments.

They are not a credible site but u Muslims don't care about credibility. U just disseminate anything that supports ur argument at the moment.

Shalom.

saintsinner360:
I feel dat muhammed and d moon-god a*llah saw dis coming, dat was y he ordered d likes of Rilwayne001 Empiree tola9ja tartar9 to marry 4 wives and marry children. Buh d more dey kip giving birth like rabbits (Zeezahbee and YourMain) d more many of dem converts cos islam is slavery!

The rapid procreation like rabbits is a weapon Muslims have on their side.. Plus they are allowed to marry non mulsims women to convert them but never allow non Muslims to marry their women.
however Muslims keep killing themselves so its likely their population won't grow as fast.

I heard oremussantus was banned, is it true ?? How dare they.

Empiree:
Dont worry Mr. you be amazed at how Muslim population will jump froom 0.000001% to 5% in the next 5-10yrs in the East inshAllah. We coming for you. Muslims, they are here

U obviously don't know much about the igbos. Lol. An increase to 1% in the next 20 years is unimaginable on the other hand christainity is growing in the north west and south west. The muslim population has not surpassed 47.9% in many decades there in Nigeria.

Islam is in steady decline in Africa, Asia and a few parts of the middle east despite ur hobby of chopping off heads of apostates... If u won't renounce Islam, your children will.

PastorKun:
Though i agree that Islamic terrorism is on the rise, i see it as the last act of a dying man out of desperation. Truth be told Islam is on the decline globally. In Nigeria alone thousands of muslims are renouncing islam on a regular basis though not everyone of them is open about it especially in the north because of the evil apotasy laws. Think of it, even based on what you are revealing about islam on this forum alone, do you know how many muslims would realise they have been mis led and renounce the religion? A lot of so called muslims in europe have actually renounced the faith, they are actually just acting along because of the cultural issues attached to publicly renouncing islam. A good number of them are now closet Atheist and christians. We are in the information era and people just can't be held back by barbaric 7th century beliefs.

Hey pastorkun I absolutely agree that Islam is in decline. Case in point Asia, Africa and the Americas have seen islam fizzle out to record low numbers.

I actually posted a research I compiled on it here on Nairaland but it was deleted.

The point I was trying to make about the situation in Europe is that they are letting in toooooo many Muslims in the name of multiculturalism.

Muslims often reject to assimilate. They even refuse to wear neck ties, I just did a post on neck ties and Islam..
Rather then chose to bite the hand that feeds them as u can see in recent events in Britain(have u heard of "not-so-great Britain", it was invented by Muslims), France, the Dutch etc.

Islam is spreading in Europe by middle easterners trooping in from their crap homelands. Remember the word I used spreading, not growing.
however Muslims procreate like rabbits. And u do know that a lot of Muslims are born Muslims even tho some many secretly become apostate . On the other hand a lot of indigenous Europeans have welcomed all sorts of immoralities, hedonism, relativism, atheism etc, inaddition their population is in decline because of their choice of little number of kids.

So as the Muslims troop in from the east and Europeans decline in their homeland it is only logical for the Europeans to become a minority. Do u see it... The studies have been done u can google it.. Germany France and most likely Spain will be muslim majority soon.

Unbias:
How long shall killing in the name of Allah/Muhammad continue?

With verses like this;

Qur’an 8:12— Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”


The problem is not disappearing anytime soon. Only by converting the Muslims to Christianity so they can experience the Love Christ gave us.

lightoftruth:
Must you be rude ? I don't know the ignorant one here , Keep deceiving yourself and keep interpreting the bible the way it will suit your shallow thinking . You call your self a pastor but you lack that humbleness.

Making you to understand, is like trying to make a
suicide terrorist to understand how wrong it is.


Luke 22:35-38
35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he thathath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Oh Jesus, the great son of God is a wonderful teacher...
He allows things to happen in order to educate us naughty humans.

Pastorkun If that verse he quoted didn't happen how would we have known about this beautiful and ever green quote.

“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. “ Matthew 26:52

Mohammed says fight and kill and rape and take slaves and have sex with sex slaves and breastfeed adults and sleep with children and retaliate and behead and slay

Christ says Put your sword back in its place for all who draw the sword will die by the sword

Mohamed slew the family of the Jewish woman that later poisoned him. If only he put back his sword in its place.


The more u question my faith the more I learn and know that Islam is pure falsehood.

true2god:
Ifeann you know what, with the muslim bad behaviours worldwide, and especially in western europe, the muslims will soon be expelled again (just as they were expelled before, back to their root in the arabian world).

They (muslims) are fighting the battles they can never win. It is an effontry and a slap to the european that small muslim minorities are giving them serios security challenges and sleepless nights in their own countries. Most of them are already protesting against islam (like PEGIDA and EDL) and the need to expel muslims back to their arabian desert.

Prez Sisi, being very smart and wise, have seen the handwriting on the wall and technically warned muslims to reconsider the violent text in the quran so that Islam will not permanently war against the rest of mankind, but many fanatics wont listen. The expulsion of arab muslims from europe by the spaniards will be a child's play when the entire europe decide to put a final stop to the muslim problems.

Nairaland muslims can continue shouting that 'Islam is the religion of peace' while ISIS, boko haram, al shabab, al qaeda, hizbolla, the muslim brotherhoods, etc, continue cutting their victims' throats.

I agree with most of what u said but I have to make some points.

Muslims can't be expelled like in the crusades. Political correctness has destroyed the common sense of many of those European law makers

Sadly Its too late for countries like Germany, Spain and France ... They will become muslim majority countries in a few decades time. The studies and data have shown it. The birth rate of the indigenous folks are to low and the birth rate of the immigrated Muslims are too high coupled with polygamy. Britian is also at very high risk.. I have lived there before, the Muslims are everywhere... They make delicious chicken and lamb kebabs by the way. Anyway Europe is in trouble.

There is hope tho, Africans pushed agaisnt Islam this is why only "Arab like" north Africans are the dominant Muslims in Africa. Islam was everywhere in Africa thanks to people like usman Dan fidio who beheaded hausas and fulanis till they said the shahadda and accepted the anti Christ .

However, America is safe because of the Mexicans trooping in illegally to steady the declining US population. Though the number of Muslims is steadily growing it is not a significant threat.

Europe will fall to the Muslims but what do u expect. They turned their back on Christ. A lot of them are hedonistic atheists. Churchs are being converted to mosques and some to night clubs. I was heartbroken when I saw some of these with my own eyes.

Anyway that's it my friend we need to pray. Pls draw my attention to any research with good news on the situation.