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here is another insightful article on the topic from answering-Islam.org

Why do Muslims Hate the Jews?
By Dallas M. Roark , Ph.D.
There is a long and complicated history to the Muslim hatred of Jews.
Some people seek to trace the issue back to Abraham’s two sons, Isaac
and Ishmael, or Isaac’s two sons, Jacob and Esau. Whatever enmity
existed between the two offspring, there was not a command of God to
kill the Jews. The immense hatred of the Jews began in the time of
Mohammed, by Mohammed, and it is alleged that Allah gave the
command. The Qur’an, the hadiths, and the events in Mohammed’s life
will explain the hatred that began with Mohammed and continued in his
followers to this day.
1. The Qur’anic data
Q. 5:60 Say (O Muhammad to the people of the Scripture): "Shall I
inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense
from Allah: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath,
those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those
who worshipped Taghut (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the
Day of Resurrection in the Hellfire), and far more astray from the
Right Path."
This quote is in contradiction to the verses quoted below from the Bible
about the Jews as God’s chosen people. Did not Allah “remember” what
he told Abraham and others? There seems to be a lot of self-serving
comments in the Qur’an that reveal Mohammed’s hatred of the Jews in
his area rather than the words of Yahweh.
One must understand that the Jewish rejection of the prophethood of
Mohammed deeply affected him. Mohammed wanted to be accepted as a
prophet and his pride could not stand the rejection.
Q. 2:61 “And when ye said: O Moses! We are weary of one kind of food;
so call upon thy Lord for us that He bring forth for us of that which the
earth groweth - of its herbs and its cucumbers and its corn and its
lentils and its onions. He said: Would ye exchange that which is higher
for that which is lower? Go down to settled country, thus ye shall get
that which ye demand. And humiliation and wretchedness were stamped
upon them and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was
because they disbelieved in Allah's revelations and slew the prophets
wrongfully. That was for their disobedience and transgression.”
This story involves Moses and the Exodus from Egypt and the grumbling
of the people for food. This happened about 2000 years before the time
of Mohammed. Judgment did take place on the unbelievers who were not
allowed into the Promised Land and who died in the wandering in the
wilderness. Why should this story be resurrected and used to accuse the
Jews in Mohammed’s time? That is irrational. The Jews in Medina did
not believe Mohammed because he did not fit the demands of a prophet.
For them to accept a false prophet would have been to reject their own
revelation from Yahweh who did perform great miracles in rescuing the
people from slavery in Egypt. Remember Mohammed did no miracles!
Q. 2:65-66 “And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We
said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated! And We made it an
example to their own and to succeeding generations, and an admonition
to the God-fearing.”
How can this be accepted by anyone? Yahweh did not make apes out of
Jews. If you read the Old Testament you will discover that Yahweh did
punish disobedient people in various ways but he never defiled the image
of God that he created in humans (cf. Genesis 1:26-27).
Q. 2:96 And thou wilt find them greediest of mankind for life and
(greedier) than the idolaters. (Each) one of them would like to be
allowed to live a thousand years. And to live (a thousand years) would be
no means remove him from the doom. Allah is Seer of what they do.
This is a strange verse since it reflects on Mohammed as a greedy
person. He did not work but had his followers raid caravans, plunder
villages for gain, and he was to receive 20 percent of the booty. In
contrast, many of the Jews were hard working farmers and orchard
people who earned a living by the sweat of their brow.
Q. 5:12-13 “Allah made a covenant of old with the Children of Israel…
And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and
made hard their hearts. They change words from their context and
forget a part of that whereof they were admonished. Thou wilt not
cease to discover treachery from all save a few of them.”
Q. 5:7 “We made a covenant of old with the Children of Israel and We
sent unto them messengers. As often as a messenger came unto them
with that which their souls desired not (they became rebellious). Some
(of them) they denied and some they slew.”
There are lots of Jews who were disobedient in the history of Israel.
Yahweh judged them. Yet, nowhere is there a command for individual
non-Jews to hate the Jews. In reality what the Qur’an says about the
Jews is seen more widespread in the Muslims’ reactions to Christians.
Hundreds of millions of Christians have died because of the brutality of
Muslims through the centuries ( * ).
2. This hatred is underscored in the hadiths:
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as
saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight
against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would
hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would
say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and
kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the
Jews." -- Sahih Muslim 6985
Sahih Bukhari 4.52.177: "Allah's Apostle said, The Hour will not be
established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a
Jew will be hiding will say: 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so
kill him'."
The intolerance of Mohammed and the Muslim movement toward the
Jews and the Christians is seen in the hadith, Sahih Muslim, Book 019,
Number 4366, narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib: He heard the
Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say, “I will expel the Jews
and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but
Muslim.” Other issues may be seen at this site .
3. The Events in Mohammed’s time and his treatment of the Jews.
Mohammed was incensed that the Jew did not accept him as a prophet.
There were different tribes of Jews in the area. Mohammed had a truce
with the Banu Qaynuqa tribe. He resolved to deal with them for their
rejection of him as a prophet. The Muslims laid siege to them and would
have killed them had it not been for the intervention of Abdullah bin
Ubayy who was a Muslim. They were allowed to leave with their lives but
had to turn over all their property to Mohammed. Can you imagine the
gain that the Muslims got from this? And Mohammed accused the Jews
of being greedy!
A second tribe, Banu Nadir, was expelled when one of their members
planned to kill Mohammed but the Muslims learned of the plot and they
marched against the tribe and laid siege to it. After a couple of weeks
of the siege they agreed to go into exile. They took what they were able
to carry themselves, but the rest became Mohammed’s property.
A third tribe, Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe was massacred after the
battle of the Trench. The Jews did not fight for Mohammed and after
the Meccans withdrew the Jewish tribe was laid siege. After 25 days
they surrendered and the men were beheaded and the women and
children were taken by the Muslims and sold into slavery. Reports on the
number of men beheaded range from 600 to 900.
Shortly after this Mohammed attacked Khaybar which was north of
Medina in an area where Jews lived. Many of the men were killed and
women taken as wives. One person was tortured by building a fire on his
chest to force the Jew to tell where a big treasure was hidden. Following
the conquest the fruit of the land was to be shared with Mohammed and
his wives; i.e., some of the Jews were allowed to stay and farm the land
on shares with Mohammed getting 50 percent of the crop; but later the
Jews were banished to Syria. (Cf. Sahih Muslim: Book 010, Number 3759)
4. This hatred has continued from the time of Mohammed to the present.
A recent story about a Saudi textbook affirms the tradition.
A twelfth-grade Saudi textbook is teaching hatred of Jews and jihad to
liberate Palestine, according to MEMRI. The report illustrates that
hatred and violence continue to be themes in Saudi educational
materials, putting a black mark on the conservative Islamic kingdom's
desire to become a " knowledge society ."
"Whoever studies the nature of the conflict between the Muslims and
the Jews understands an important fact, [namely that] this is a
religious conflict, not a dispute about politics or nationality, or a
conflict between races or tribes, or a fight over land or country, as
some describe it," states Saudi textbook Studies from the Muslim World .
The book says that the conflict will not end unless one side vanquishes
the other, because "throughout Islamic history, the Jews have striven to
destroy the [Islamic] religion and spread fitna [chaos] among the
Muslims. The book also repeats classic anti-Semitic lies that Jews have
taken control of Western media and culture, exploited their home
societies, and aligned themselves with Christians to destroy
Islam.” ( Saudi High School Textbook Preaches Hate , Dec. 8, 2011)
There is a good bit of paranoia in these statements. When did the Jews
seek to destroy Islam? The Muslims have persecuted the Jews from the
time of Mohammed. They have outnumbered the Jews for centuries. Jews
have been forced to depart Muslim countries so that very few are left
in those countries.
5. This year a survey was taken of 1010 Palestinians in the West Bank,
Gaza on the question who agreed with the hadith in the Hamas Charter
“about the need to kill Jews hiding behind stones, trees. Seventy-three
(73) percent of the 1010 Palestinians agreed with the hadith ( * ).
6. Following are excerpts from statements made at a rally of the
Palestinian Al-Ahrar movement in Gaza, a pro-Hamas group that split
from Fatah, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV on November 3, 2011 ( * ):
“Praise be to you, our Lord. You have made our killing of the Jews an act
of worship, through which we come closer to you.”
From the time of Mohammed to the present there is hatred for the Jews
especially and for non-Muslims generally. How does this come about?
This amounts to brain-washing on a massive scale. When a young child
can appear on a TV show in the Muslim world and professes hate for the
Jews this is quite unnatural. Children do not have hate to begin with in
their young lives. The only way hate could occur is if the innocent child
has been brainwashed. This child probably never saw a Jew or even knew
what one was.
While Mohammed taught hate of the Jews, claiming Allah as the source,
Muslims need to look at another source, the Bible and the words of Jesus.
The LORD said to Abram: Leave your country, your family, and your
relatives and go to the land that I will show you. I will bless you and
make your descendants into a great nation. You will become famous and
be a blessing to others. I will bless anyone who blesses you, but I will put
a curse on anyone who puts a curse on you. Everyone on earth will be
blessed because of you. (Genesis 12:1-3)
This is the beginning of the story of the Jews. This is a promise that has
not been abrogated. Muslims could do well to consider the implications of
these verses. There is blessing and there is cursing. This is the beginning
of the “chosen people” through whom the Messiah would come. To curse
the Jews is to place oneself under a curse of Yahweh.
The idea of killing all the Jews is more than genocide. It is to attempt to
abrogate the promise of Yahweh. Trying to wipe the Jews from the face
of the earth seems like a strategy that the Devil would try in nullifying
the words of Yahweh. The question is: who is God? Yahweh or Allah? We
know a lot about Yahweh but we don’t know much about Allah except
what is written in the Qur’an and we are not given much except his will
for people. Yahweh has declared the Jews to be his chosen people. The
word of Allah in the Qur’an rejects the role of the Jews. The character
of Allah in the Qur’an contradicts the character of Yahweh in the
Scriptures.
Consider the following passages of Yahweh’s revelation scattered
through the centuries:
I am the LORD, the holy God. You have been chosen to be my people, and
so you must be holy too. (Leviticus 20:26)
Israel, you are the chosen people of the LORD your God. There are many
nations on this earth, but he chose only Israel to be his very own.
(Deuteronomy 7:6)
But the LORD has chosen you to be his own people. He will always take
care of you so that everyone will know how great he is. (1 Samuel 12:22)
My people, you are my witnesses and my chosen servant. I want you to
know me, to trust me, and understand that I alone am God. I have
always been God; there can be no others. (Isaiah 43:10)
I have chosen the people of Israel and Judah, and I will bless them with
many descendants. They will settle here in this land of mountains, and it
will be theirs. (Isaiah 65:9)
The people of Israel are treated as God's enemies, so that the good
news can come to you Gentiles. But they are still the chosen ones, and
God loves them because of their famous ancestors. (Romans 11:28)
We need to turn to the issues of anger and hatred. Anger is the
beginning of hatred. Here are the words of Jesus.
You must obey God's commands better than the Pharisees and the
teachers of the Law obey them. If you don't, I promise you that you will
never get into the kingdom of heaven. You know that our ancestors were
told, "Do not murder" and "A murderer must be brought to trial." But I
promise you that if you are angry with someone, you will have to stand
trial. If you call someone a fool, you will be taken to court. And if you
say that someone is worthless, you will be in danger of the fires of hell.
(Matthew 5:20-22)
Anger is a cancer of the soul. It becomes the driving force for
murdering someone. Other acts of anger can lead to revenge, to
mutilation, to wounding, slandering other’s reputation, honor killings and
other horrible deeds. Anger uncontrolled will lead one to bring about the
destruction of one’s soul by terrible deeds. Even slander in the words of
Jesus brings to the danger of the fires of hell. The anger of the Muslims
toward the Jews is a dangerous state of the soul. Consider the claim of
Muslims that doing jihad is a guarantee of paradise. But the words of
Jesus indicate that jihad is a guarantee of hell. It is imperative for a
Muslim to question who is correct and right!!
Anger leads to hatred. Hatred is a serious problem in Yahweh’s
revelation.
Here are the words of Jesus:
You have heard people say, "Love your neighbors and hate your
enemies." But I tell you to love your enemies and pray for anyone who
mistreats you. Then you will be acting like your Father in heaven. He
makes the sun rise on both good and bad people. And he sends rain for
the ones who do right and for the ones who do wrong. If you love only
those people who love you, will God reward you for that? Even tax
collectors love their friends. If you greet only your friends, what's so
great about that? Don't even unbelievers do that? But you must always
act like your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:43-48)
Muslims do not only ignore the command of Jesus to pray for one’s
enemies, but the concept of jihad brings them to killing their enemies.
Jesus said that loving your enemy will be acting like your Father in
heaven. If this is the case, the command of Allah to kill the Jews and
others, then Allah is certainly not the same as Yahweh.
You can love people without liking them. Loving people is to regard them
as made in the image of God. They are sacred and worthy of respect.
Even enemies are human beings. Praying for them is one of the most
loving things one can do, praying that they may be truly human, humane,
and humble before God. The words of Jesus are difficult for Muslims to
comprehend. The command is “love your enemies and pray for anyone
who mistreats you.” This is in contrast to the Qur’an’s command to kill
non-Muslims. It also condemns the practices of Shia killing and bombing
the Sunnis as well as the Sunnis killing and bombing the Shia. It also
requires both groups refrain from killing the Jews, the Christians, and
the pagans. There is no command from Jesus to go to war against
anyone.
The letter of the Apostle John declares, “If we claim to be in the light
and hate someone, we are still in the dark. (1 John 2:9) The thought is
continued in verse 2:11, ‘If we hate others, we are living and walking in
the dark. We don’t know where we are going, because we can’t see in
the dark.” Even stronger and more serious are these words: “If you
hate each other, you are murderers, and we know that murderers do not
have eternal life.” (3:15)
If a Muslim is reasonable and honest, the question must be raised
concerning Islam. The Qur’an says that doing jihad and killing “non-
believers” is the way to Paradise but the words of Jesus and the rest of
the Bible is that killers do not have eternal life. Which is right? Does it
not seem stupid to engage in activities that destroy your chance for
eternal life in the presence of Yahweh?
If the Jews are God’s chosen people why would one dare to murder
them? Why would one want to oppose that which Yahweh has chosen as
His own? If Yahweh declares that he will bless the world through the
Jewish people why would anyone want to promote the murder of the
Jews? If hatred is wrong as Jesus declared, why would one build an
educational system based on hatred for the Jews?
There are Muslims who have asserted that non-Muslim love life while
Muslims love death. If the process of killing other people brings you to
hell that is self-defeating. Jesus declared: “A thief comes only to rob,
kill, and destroy. I came so that everyone would have life, and have it in
its fullest.” (John 10:10) One might substitute the first words: a jihadist
comes only to rob, kill, and destroy, but Jesus came so that everyone
would have life, and have it in its fullest.
What does a Muslim really want? Not only life here and now, but life
after death. How do you get that?
Consider the words of Jesus:
"I am the way, the truth, and the life!" Jesus answered. "Without me, no
one can go to the Father.” (John 14:6)
“God loved the people of this world so much that he gave his only Son, so
that everyone who has faith in him will have eternal life and never
really die. God did not send his Son into the world to condemn its people.
He sent him to save them! No one who has faith in God's Son will be
condemned. But everyone who doesn't have faith in him has already
been condemned for not having faith in God's only Son.” (John
3:16-18)
“The Father loves the Son and has given him everything. Everyone who
has faith in the Son has eternal life. But no one who rejects him will
ever share in that life, and God will be angry with them forever.” (John
3:35-36)
Can you conceive of the idea that Mohammed only cared about his power
and control. He is dead and cannot care about you or know you. Jesus is
alive. He came into the world to rescue you from sin and its judgment.
Mohammed guarantees you nothing but hell. Jesus welcomes you to
everlasting life right now. You have before you the choice of life or
death.
Choose Life!

chinedumo:
The Most Peaceful Verse
by Mumin Salih
Taqiyya at its Best
This is how the Muslims and Muslim apologists quote the verse:
whoever kills a person it is as if he had killed mankind ( or humanity) entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind ( or humanity) entirely..
And this is the real translation >
Q 5:32 Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
The underlined part is normally missed by those who quote the verse and appears as an extra explanation to make the point. Muslims understand the verse as a decree from Allah that
whoever kills a person it is as if he had killed all mankind, and whoever saves one, it is as if he had saved all mankind.
Indeed, with a meaning like that, the verse does look humane and peaceful.
The Exceptions of the verse
However, the verse makes two exceptions from the decree, which are made clear in the underlined part, which is normally missed or overlooked.
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'Unless for a soul or for doing corruption in the land'
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The first exception: If the killing has been for revenge ( killing for revenge is allowed!)
The Second exception: If the killing was because the killed person has committed corruption ( Arabic fasad ).
The Arabic word Fasad is translated as corruption. The Islamic understanding of fasad is committing practices or activities that are considered to be un-Islamic.
Un-Islamic activities include things like:
Drinking alcohol,
Eating pork,
Denying that Mohammed was a prophet,
Denying that Allah is God,
Believing that Jesus was crucified,
Teaching non Islamic ideas ( like evolution),
Listening to music,
Making/watching films,
Not complying with Islamic dress code,
Adultery,
Celebrating Christmas,
Mixed parties… etc
If you think of it you will find that Fasad actually describes what is largely considered as a normal life style in the non Muslim World. Therefore, according to the verse 5:32, killing non Muslims is OK, and has been excluded from the above decree.
In short, verse 5:32 prohibits killing Muslims (only) unless for revenge.
And that is the most peaceful verse in the Quran!

U made very good points. ..i have also discussed on this particlar topic .. most Muslims just posted insults;

https://www.nairaland.com/2052606/understanding-beautiful-verse-muslims-love

Empiree:
Op aka chinedumo, for record, are you Jewish?

What exactly is your interest in this subject?

Does your op have any purposes?

Are you Israeli or Nigerian?

What your relationship with the Jews?

Do you share same faith (Judaism) ?

Or are you christian?

I just want to know these for record. Thanks

Unless this is a copied article, chinedumo made it clear he is an ex muslim in the post while agentofAllah is a well known exmuslim here on nairaland and whom i have agreed and disagreed with in past threads. .. now these two people have explained the irrational haterd of jews by Mohammed and the commands in the hadith and quran for u to do the same. .. u on the otherhand instead of explaining or refuting their claims as a devote mohammedian , u chose to ask silly questions like u did in this topic
https://www.nairaland.com/2107957/fun-facts-islam

usermane:
^^^^
My post was in response to your question. You asked, 'if the testimony was merely "No God but God", which God is the Muslim testifying to?' I meant it is the God of the scripture the Muslim abide by that he is testifying.

Okay. . I tot u were insinuating that the god of Islam is the same with the one true God christains worship. .

Back to the point. .no God but God is so vague in all respects. .. when u accept Christ u have to profess it. .When u accept Islam u have to say the hadith approved shahadda. . And that makes sense. .i don't understand why u reject the hadith when at least 90 percent of Muslims revere commands and stories from it especially the sahih ones. .. can these Muslims all be wrong. . What kind of a god will allow such deciet to exist in his religion. ..

China today is suffering from extreme[size=16pt] pollution and health problems [/size]as a result of using non renewable sources of electricity such as coal.. almost every country including African countries are looking into and developing renewable sources of energy. Buhari wants to take us back to the stone age. .
he lacks the modern thinking we need. .. why didn't he propose focusing on capital investments in the gas sector to reduce gas flaring and generate power as well. Why not focus on increasing the capacity of dams to generate power. .. How can he even create 1 million jobs from this idea, what is the population of enugu to start with. ..any right thinking person knows this his promise is a crappy and unfeasible one..

usermane:
Your estimate is not correct.............

..........
Majority of the Christians today are protestant, unorthodox. Even the orthodox Christians don't even cling top their traditions as their ancestors did or as orthodox Muslims cling to theirs.

Wow. ..usermane you are no longer making fact based statements.... orthodox christains still cling to their traditions, with the exception of Anglicans. .. but they aren't really orthodox...

Here let me remind you about the current statistics of christains that u said i got wrong. ..

Catholic Church - 1,166[1]−1,229 million
Latin Church - 1,149 million
Catholic Charismatic Renewal - 160 million[2]
Society of St. Pius X - 0.5 million[3]
Personal Ordinariate for former Anglicans - 0.005 million
Eastern Catholic Churches - 17 million
Alexandrian Rite
Ethiopian Catholic Church - 0.2 million[4]
Coptic Catholic Church - 0.2 million[4]
Antiochene Rite
Maronite Catholic Church - 3.1 million[4]
Syro-Malankara Catholic Church - 0.4 million[4]
Syriac Catholic Church - 0.1 million[4]
Armenian Rite
Armenian Catholic Church - 0.4 million[4]
Chaldean Rite
Syro-Malabar Catholic Church - 3.8 million[4]
Chaldean Catholic Church - 0.4 million[4]
Byzantine Rite
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church - 4.3 million[4]
Melkite Greek Catholic Church - 1.3 million[4]
Romanian Catholic Church - 0.7 million[4]
Ruthenian Catholic Church - 0.5 million[4]
Hungarian Greek Catholic Church - 0.3 million[4]
Slovak Greek Catholic Church - 0.2 million[4]
Italo-Albanian Catholic Church - 0.1 million[4]
Belarusian Greek Catholic Church - 0.1 million[4]
Georgian Byzantine Catholic Church - 0.01 million[5]
Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church - 0.01 million[4]
Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church - 0.01 million[4]
Croatian Greek Catholic Church - 0.01 million[4]
Greek Byzantine Catholic Church - 0.01 million[4]
Macedonian Greek Catholic Church - 0.01 million[4]
Russian Greek Catholic Church - 0.01 million[4]
Breakaway Catholic Churches - 28 million[6]
Philippine Independent Church - 6 million[7]
Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association - 5 million[8]
Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church - 5 million[9]
Apostolic Catholic Church - 5 million
Old Catholic Church - 0.6 million
Polish National Catholic Church - 0.025 million
Protestantism - 800 million.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members



Here read this also, it is beautiful written and very objective .

http://www.pewforum.org/2011/12/19/global-christianity-exec/

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usermane i can agree with you on
hapharzad reading.... but when u say bias mindset, deliberate distortion of Arabic terms, hasty conclusions are the cause of varying interpretation i wonder then why Muslims will do this to them selves. .. and this isn't a minority of Muslims. .this is the vast majority... even the Muslims that run mecca and Medina are know to terribly misinterpret the quran according to Western moderate Muslims and are pro hadith eg the wahhabis. .

Christainity has has its case of haphazard reading without context especially during the Spanish inquisition etc but these were corrected as the bible became translated to various indigenous languages. ..now every christain knows what Jesus preached from the Father. .

But asthe quran becomes more avaliable online etc and is interpreted into indigenous languages the incidents of islamic terrorism seems to be growing exponentially...why would an all knowing god allow this practise of misinterpretation to be easy with thequran hence leading to countless deaths through the centuries. .since the great schism of Islam.

The God of the scripture you abide by.

I have studied several teachings of the quran and hadiths...a lot of it entirely contradicts the treaching of Christ. .. this has lead me and every bible reading christain to conclude the god of Islam is not the true God we christains worship. .we can discuss examples of you want. .

author=usermane

Most of you Christians reject the traditions of the Church, which were upheld by Christians for over a thousand years and revered as traditions from Jesus and the apostles. I reject the Muslim traditions partly for the same reasons you reject the Church traditions and yet you opin that your position is right and mine is wrong? I have read several articles by orthodox Christians affirming the authenticity and validity of the Church traditions.

Please who told u most Christians reject the traditions of the Church, the Catholics, eastern othodox, oriental othodox , coptic etc all have similar practises on christain traditions that dates back to the apostles and together they make up to over 1 billion christains. .while protestants number to about 900million. The protestants (Sola scriptura adherents) are the ones who reject traditions and theyhave good reasons according to them and that is why we see herectics like the word of faith, Jehovah witnesses bending scripture and interpreting it to satisfy their greed as we see with prosperity preachers. Even past Catholics popes have been know to
Do this.. but reading the bible is clear no matter which christain group you choose.

It is unfortunate that you opt to focus on certain Hadith and ignore others. Most of your criticisms of Muhammad like the infamous 'slaughter of Banu Qurayza Jews' can be refuted by historical analysis. You have to make a choice, either Muhammad commited all those crimes and split the moon as Hadith tells or he neither commited those crimes nor split the moon. There cant be a middle path.

Please which historical analysis refutes the slaughter.

I focus on the issues with the hadiths and quran. .. it is not all evil. . Mohammed did say some nice things when he was a warner in mecca before he turned to a warrior in Medina. . If u Muslims choose to belive in the stories of his alleged miracles and contradictthe quran thats their cupof tea.. even the quran said Allah will provide no miracles. ..

Usermane
First, there are 5 periods specified for Salat in the Qur'an.
Secondly, Salat mean a contact or connection with God. It is a flexible ritual that was well known to the Arabs, Greek and Persians before the Qur'an. Muhammad wasn't taught Salat.

Please give evidence of this from the verses in your quran... where does it say pray 5 times in the quran..just for clarity purposes. .

Zakat mean an act to purify one 's self and wealth. It is not limited to spending out of one 's wealth. Remember that the Qur'an is the criterion for judging Muslims. If the amount to be spent is not mentioned in the Qur'an, it mean the mainstream Muslim fixed and imposed their amount on themselves. The Quran silence on certain matters let man to decide for himself based on circumstances.

I tend toagree with you on this point however 80 to 90 percent of the Muslim on earth follow the hadith on this.
Why is the overwhelming majority not making this argument for the quran. .

Pardon, Chapter 1 has 7 verses, no 11th verse. Qur'an defines itself as fully detailed, clear and self explained, therefore it bears it own context. Every information in the text can be understood from the text itself.

Sorry if i quoted a wrong number for a verse. . I try to be as accurate as possible. . But mistakes do happen. .
Yes the quran says it is clear etc but why is it so easily and often misunderstood... why arethere claims of misinterpretation and so many scholar conflicting with each other on interpretations and abrogations. . Why all these talk of exegesis and re interpretations..i have even had Muslims here in nairaland use a verse in 2 opposing interpretation and meaning to defend their argument. .

It is Qur'an 33:21 that commend Muhammad as an excellent character. Nevertheless, Muhammad got his examples by complying with the Qur'an and so all i need to follow his examples is to abide by the Qur'an. If Muhammad had other beneficial examples not found in the Qur'an, he would have officially documented it alongside the Qur'an instead of leaving such a delicate task to be completed by his followers 150 years after his death.

I still stand by what i said and what several Islamic scholars say. .. the quran had little information on Mohammed. .. their is no way to understand his character by reading the quran alone. . The Muslims often claim that excellent work was done in compiling the hadiths on scales of authenticity. And why would Allah allow the hadiths be compromised and used to redicule his religion if he is all knowing like Muslims claim. . We see no such problems with christainity. .

Being a Muslim doesn't require an initiation where words are pronounced. Regardless,
the shahadah is in the Qur'an. Quran 3:18 confirms it as 'No god but God'. Orthodox Muslim clerics introduced a second shahadah on the messengership of Muhammad but that is their business. If it is not in the Qur'an, it is man-made. Period.

No god but God. .. wow. .. so this is all one had to say? ? Which god will the person be talking about. .. the god worshiped by the Hindus , Egyptians, cannanites etc, it's the hadith that let's you know its the one Mohammed claimed to serve. .

Like i said before the quran has no context without the hadith.