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honourhim:
Its your choice and that's ok but i doubt if this is general view in Ika. Your brother who was once our bishop identified with we igbos as his brothers and we supported and shielded him against the many attacks of the Yorubas..
If its a general view in Ika land kindly let me know so that i will correct the wrong impression among my people that Ika people are not gbos. Thanks.

It's not. Ogbuefi a once prominent member of this forum is from Igbodo in Ika, and he was a proud Igbo man who stood against and repeatedly disgraced the likes of sony4all with historical facts. Go through this thread to see his exchanges with descendants of Bini slaves in Anioma and their Bini supporters:
https://www.nairaland.com/458875/delta-igbo-bendel-igbo-what

The Obi of Owa in Ika, once published a book reaffirming Owa Nri ancestry, see it here:[img]http://books.google.com/books?id=WXouAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA48&img=1&pgis=1&dq=%22Though+we+know+our+root+is+firmly+Nri,+(Nshi)%22&sig=ACfU3U3X_cnS3VZsWnf4ZNd4aWsukPCesQ&edge=0[/img]

sonya4all:
you are more ignorant, its written all over your posts

You this descendant of a Bini slave, so you are still alive?
You survived the punches Ogbuefi gave you and Agbontae?

meccuno:
am Feeling you.......but that "Relechi Ramadi" is wicked bro!!

My brother, naso we see am o!

krasican:
Am from ika but i can't say everybody from Ika detest being called igbo.in my family generally dey won't allow their children especially d female to marry from Igbo cos of d experience dey had.and i have witnessed some cases so i don blame her if she says she is not igbo but she should not speak for others

Fair enough. Atleast you are intelligent and wise enough to not sttart making generalized statements.

On the marriage stuff, it's same even in SE, some towns would prefer marrying only from amongst themselves, for example the Ohafia and Abriba of Abia state are known for that, they hardly give their daughters away to any other non Ohafia/ Abriba clan.

And the ancient Igbos said: Uzo di nma, aga ya ugboro ibuo ( If a road is good, it will be passed through twice).
Families in SE that had bad experiences giving their daughters out to a particular Igbo clan or marrying a lady from a particular Igbo clan usually make it as a policy never to marry from that particular clan.

Ikas are just ignorant of the different clans in SE, so would obviously classify all Igbos as one, once they have a problem with marrying from SE.
The Aniochas and Oshimilis seem to understand the Igbo clan divisions in SE due to the fact they have come to have most of us live amongst them in large numbers, this is responsible for their better understanding of the nature of Igbo nation than the rest of the Anioma groups and inturn the ease of their acceptance of the Igbo tag.

The average Ika and Ukwuani knows next to nothing about the complexity of the Igbo clans in SE. They see SE as one big monolithic area, the Oshimilis and Aniocha know better.

ikechu1:
NOI is a very intelligent woman, I've yet to see any SE igbo that can touch her so don't insult her again. She's neither a denier and she's a princess of ogwashi-uku, so have respect. How would you feel if we start insulting princesses of any SE community. Mind yourself

Oweniwe is from Ukwuani.

ikechu1:
Can you guys imagine. They banned me for "bullying a NL member" despite the "NL member" was the one that started the insult.

It goes to show you this thread was started by Seun and his useless mods. .how pathetic. #spits on the floor

Ofcourse, it is obvious. But we must not allow any mis information go unreplied. This is internet age, many young Anioma would one day want to look up the internet for articles on their people, and this thread might pop up.

It's good we tear to shred any misinformation.

krasican:
Oga no b by force to be Igbo.she has her reason.eccl 9:11. Am from delta but i don't like people calling me Igbo cos a have a genuine reason.everybody has his or her opinion.abeg end d mata

What part of Delta. As I wouldn't be pleased to hear anyone call an Isoko, Urhobo Itsekiri or Ijaw person Igbo.

Igbo is not a merchandise.

Btw we have no problem with anyone calling herself whatever she wants. Our problem is when they seek to speak for the entire Ukwuani people or Anioma people.

Ishilove can be whatever she choose to be, she oversteps her boundary the moment she tries to impose this her identity on all and sundry in Anioma or Ukwuani by pretending to be their spokes person. This is exactly why some Anioma people here are angry with her.

ak47mann:
it seems you are enjoying yourself but always remember when you realise that NL is a friction story website it will be too late for you i visit delta state most times even my investment is there....my SE igbos love specifically asaba they are building houses like no tomorrow even my uncle own 3 properties in asaba I feel sorry for your type

Just came back from Asaba last week, went to visit
my cousins,

The lingua franca is Igbo language, all over town, Phyno's " Fada fada" song was blasting.

Aniocha and Oshimili is as Igbo as they come. The Igbo denials there are endangered species. With the rate Onitsha is fusing into Oshimili, there can only be one outcome.

Ukwuani and Ika are the battle lines.

Rocktation:
My guy, this is tactless too. I'm very aware that I haven't stated where I'm from on this thread, specifically 'cos I want to know (objectively) why the OP is passionate about anybody owning up to being who they insist they are not. Those who know me, know me. The untameable Ishilove included. No be me and una go drag mata wey no get head and tail.

Where exactly are you from. Come out into the light and stop creeping around.

Ikeg48:
I'm ANIOMA you numbnut. Everybody on NL knows I am from Asaba. My fucking family is spread throughout Aniomaland, eclxcluding ika. Why would I want relationship with the likes of you and ishilove when my own BLOOD relatives that are ukwani are FREEBORNS. Myself is a descendant of a FREEBORN. the hell would I want a benin slaves relationship? I dey craze. Don't ever EVER insult me here again.

My attack to the likes of ishilove is her bringing insult to anioma when that shit have reduced entirely on NL. That's my grouse with the b1tch

Gbam! This is the Koko.

Wesley80 use to be the one that puts all these Igbophobic Ukwuani people in check here, he too started off as an Ukwuani indifferent to the Igbo tag, but slowly grew into the Igbo tag.

He seem to have left Nairaland with the loss of GEJ at the 2015 presidential election.

Feraz:
Igbos, Igbos, Igbos. . .everyday here on NL, new threads are opened about Igbos. Make una leave us be na. . .wetin sef? Frankly, I am tired of the numerous insults such as land grabbers being tagged upon Igbos here. It is annoying.

Can we just discuss like mature adults without calling anyone names?

If they say they are not Igbos, leave them be; it doesn't stop others who see themselves as Igbos in that same region. Give them cogent reasons why they are Igbos instead of calling them slaves and if they aren't convinced, let it rest.

I met an Ikwerre person during my service year and when he speaks over the phone, people hear Igbo words and they (non-Igbos) keep insisting he's Igbo but he says he's Ikwerre. . .me, I just let them say what they want so it would not look like I am forcing an identity on someone.

Ugomba and Ikechukwu are Igbos from Anioma. Get your facts straight. They are the ones treating the naysayers eff up, and rightly so.

Rocktation:
Na wa, people say dem no be igbos, e come turn to fight. Na wa oo.

How would you feel if an Ignorant Yoruba goes about telling people that your people are not Yorubas but are descendants of Fon people of Benin republic.

That's exactly how proud Anioma people feel about the likes of Ishilove. They must be put in check to prevent bringing ridicule and disgrace to Anioma people.

Ishilove:
Your female relatives are the filthy things, not!

Masters indeed. It shows education is no guarantor of class. Take a pig out of the dung pit, but you can't take the dung pit out of the pig.

Now stop quoting me, I feel defiled exchanging words with your ilk.

Fvck away, keep fcking away, never stop fvcking away and consider yourself henceforth ignored.

That also applies to that AIDS stricken, half dead, sub-species of the orang utan called Ikeg48.

You have always been like this, you a woman yet you harbour so much hate.

You bring dishonor to proud Igbos of anioma origin with your Igbophobic stance and your use of "we" to project you individual and family sentiments.

Surely, you too must understand why they are angry with you. Because of your actions and words, Anioma gets attacked and ridiculed by Ndiigbo in SE.

You need to change, or at least keep your personal opinions to yourself.

honourhim:
Ikwerre is not our brother but Anioma Ogwashoukwu Asaba and some other Delta igbos plus Ndoki, Etche and Ogba Egbema in Rivers state are all our brothers. I love them and whole heartedly see them as Igbos.

Arc Bishop Chukwuma is from Delta State but he is always proud of being an Igbo. You can see a good number of them here who are proud of their Igbo origin so we cant brush them aside. They are our beloved brothers and i'm proud of them.
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As for Ikwerre? Pls forget them. They are not our brothers and i dont care about them.

Ikwerres took that joke too far. Their Igbo denial degenerated rapidly to Igbophobia.

I only pity the Proud Igbo ones amongst them. They will need to start asserting themselves more, online and offline.

They can start by forming a forum where real research on Origin story of Ikwerre towns are discussed and the Bini joke promoted by Relechi Ramadi and his co travellers eviscerated.

chukzyblingz:
you Op, where are you from?

SE. Any problem?

AjaanaOka:
Hmmm. Some observations:

1. The 'Ushi' mentioned in the Ezi traditions. Could this be a corruption of Nshi, and could this tradition be a reference to connections with the Nri?

2. The Ogidi mentioned in Obamkpa traditions. My immediate reaction on reading that part is that yet again we have some indication that Ezechime may have come from Agbor (as I have always believed and as Agbor have always claimed).

Both Agbor and Benin tradition claim that an older name for Agbor was Igidi. The name was supposedly changed to Agbor sometime circa the late sixteenth century, following a Bini attack on Agbor in the time of Oba Ehengbuda, led by the general Agban.

This attack may be the same one referred to in Obamkpa tradition, which according to Obamkpa, led to the destruction of Ogidi (Igidi?) and the exiling of Ezechime to Benin.

Perhaps the attack did not quite lead to a total destruction of this West Igbo Kingdom (Ogidi = Igidi?) as Obamkpa would want us to think, and the people were able to rebuild their town with a name (Agbor).

Interesting perspective, I am hearing of this Igidi part. This Igidi part throws up even more questions.

Yes, Ushi do sound like Nshi, you have a point there.

OP listed his. Here is mine:

1,Enugu
2,Owerri
3,Asaba
4,Onitsha
5,Awka
6,Abakaliki
7,Uyo
8, Calabar
9, PH
10,Umuahia
11,Aba
12, Okigwe
13,Ikotekpene
14 Agbor
15Afigbo

kayfra:
If you pay attention, it is happening under your nose. How many Northern groups have dropped their indigenous languages for Hausa?

Exactly my point, this is so because they ( Northern Muslim minorities)were conquered by the Fulanis who chose Hausa as the lingua franca of their empire and retained Fulani language as their elitist language.

So there is a form of coercion, as koran and other Islamic businesses of the Fulanis are conducted in Hausa language.

Even so, we still know that even though those small northern ethnicities speak Hausa socially, nuclearly, they all still have their native languages with them, so their languages are not totally lost.

The Hausa-Fulani comparison is not tenable here, as Igbos were not empire builders. And trade Will never be enough to convert a non Igbo speaking group into an Igbo speaking one, with no traces of their lost language found.

https://www.nairaland.com/3162560/ezechima-clan-analysis-osita-mordi/1

A cultural look at the issue of discourse. Well mostly the Aniocha/ Oshimili part.

kayfra:
I edited the Ika but you quoted way too fast.

The fact that sum groups managed to keep a semblance of their original language while others lost theirs doesn't make the argument less valid. It is not a mutually exclusive.

It makes it less valid.

It is unprecedented in human history for a group to totally drop their language for another groups own, simply because they traded with each other.

What you are suggesting is totally irrationally and can only be entertained by a mind impervious to reasoning.

Those groups( Olukumi and Oza ngogo) kept their language, because that was always their language, even though Igbo language had made inroads into their Yoruboid and Edoid languages respectively, we can still see that their original languages persisted.

The same canont be said of Ika, Ukwuani and Ikwerrre, they remained Igbo speaking because they were always Igbo speaking. Simple. If you say otherwise, show us their first language before the current Igbo one.

kayfra:
Similar <> Same

That broke the logic of your writeup

Scottish is mutually intelligible to English so it can be considered a dialect even though politically and historically it is acknowledged as a distinct language. Gaelic is a separate language all together which is like the Olukumi and Ika situations.

The igbos although didn't have an empire but basically dominated those small tribes out of share population advantage. A small tribe trading with a bigger group easily gets assimilated over the centuries.

More Ignorance from same person, nah wah!

Scottish is intelligible to English language,but we know that Gaelic and Celtic language were the first language of the people.

Olukumi people are Yoruboid people that migrated to Anioma area from Owo area of Ondo, and the fact that they were not originally Igbo speaking is seen in their Yoruboid language. Olukumi is surrounded by Igbo speaking Aniocha towns, yet retained their Yoruboid language. This nullifies your idea of Igbo people nullifying original non Igbo speaking people of Anioma region language, so much that they now speak Igbo as a first a language and has no trace whatsoever of the non Igbo language they spoke earlier.

Igbos traded with Ogoni people too, and Ogoni language remained Ogoni, they did same with Annang , Igalla and Idoma people, non of these people speak Igbo as a first language. You have no point bro.

Ika is mutually intelligible with the Igbo dialects spoken in SE, so I don't know the point you are trying to make with your Ika comparison.

EMMAUGOH:
bros the dude is above 30 and his igbo is fluent than those we hear in ebonyi and abakiliki combined and him just dey yarn like those from middle bet that always hide their identity.

From my experience, the older they get, the more stupid they become.

Their problem is complex. Most of them have so much lived in Igbo denial borne out of ignorance for a long time, so much that when they eventually get to learn the truth of where they belong, they become too ashamed to go back to becoming Igbo, out of pride, and shame of being ridiculed, so as a defensive mechanism, they become extremely Igbophobic to save their face and cover their pride.

kayfra:
It's a similar situation. We don't have any evidence that those igboid groups were simply just assimilated by the bigger igbo tribe, losing their unique language and way of life along the line.

How exactly is the situation the same!

The Scottish, Welsh and Irish speak English only as a second Language, the all have native first languages which is totally not mutually intelligible to English language or to each other.
The Ikwerre, Ukwuani, Ika speak Igbo dialects as their first language and has no non Igbo based second language.

Infact, the Aniomas who are not originally Igbo speaking, still speak their native languages as first language, and Igbo based dialects as a second one. Examples are Oza Nogogo people in Agbor, that speaks an Edoid language totally unintelligible to Ika speakers as first language, the Olukumi( Ugbodu, Ukwunzu) people in Aniocha area that speak a Yoruboid language totally not intelligible to the Igbos dialects speaking surrounding Aniocha towns, as first language,

Secondly, England conquered those people and imposed their dominance, culture traditions and lifestyles on them, go watch the movie BRAVEHEART to understand more, the Igbos in SE were not empire builders, they didn't conquer any Anioma,or Ikwere group, as to impose Igbo culture or ways on them, cos even conquered people, as we see in the Scottish, Wales and Ireland, do find a way to retain their first languages.

Anioma speak Igbo based dialects today because that had always been their language, it wasn't imposed on them by anyone. And there are no stronger ethnic marker than language.

Ishilove:
You definitely sound like you're forcing it on us. You know many 'proud Ukwuani Igbos', while I am yet to meet a single one in all my years on earth so when I speak, I speak with facts.

Na dat one dey ya pocket

You are yet to meet Proud Igbos of Ukwuani origin because you are Igbophobic and probably surround yourself with or attract the Igbophobic ones all around you.

You don't speak with any fact, more like you speak out of sentiments and emotions.

Join Proudly Anioma, proudly Igbo Facebook page and meet many proud Igbos of Ukwuani origin.

Why should anyone force Igbo tag on anyone? Being Igbo is a privilege, not a merchandise.

EMMAUGOH:
Met A Guy And Asked Which Tribe He Is From And He Said Delta And I Just Thought Of Him As Urhobo Or Others. Then I Heard When His Mother Called Him Ifeanyi And They Spoke Igbo Together . Then I Called The Guy And Asked Him Which Tribe He Is From He Said Delta But They Speak Igbo As Language. I Was Like, I Never See An Efurefu Like This In My Life,,, Whenever I Speak Igbo To Him He Answers With English.

That's how those of them in denial behave.

kayfra:
Language alone is not a determinant of tribal affiliations otherwise Scots, Irish and English would all belong to the same tribe. They started with distinct languages but gradually assimilated the predominant language, English. Same situation with Anioma, Ikwerre, Ukwuanni etc that deny their Igboness.

Stop puting your hands into things you know next to nothing about.

The English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh all have distinct languages totally none mutually intelligible to each other.

The Scottish, Irish and Welsh all speak English as a second language.

And don't forget that the English conquered and ruled those other groups too.

Comparing the SE, Ukwuani,Ika and Ikwerre situation to the English, Irish,Scottish and Welsh situation exposes your ignorance and lack of grasp of the issue in discourse.

Ishilove:
That's not going to happen, sir. It is not by force. The Ukwuani have rejected being lumped together with the Igbo and the most violent conflicts often arise when you try to tamper with a man's identity, which is his covering.

It is not by force. We are not Igbo

You are not Igbo. You speak only for yourself and maybe your Igbophobic family.

I have many proud Igbos from Ukwuani, they and they people are proud Igbos and they are Ukwuani too.

Most Ukwuanis are indifferent to the Igbo tag. Few are Igbophobic which you and your family fall into, and few are Igbophilic, my ukwuani friends fall into that category.
Learn to speak only for yourself and your family in the future.

And by the way, no Igbo man forces another to be Igbo, the Igbos are too proud a people to condescend to that level. So don't you ever feel like any Igbo man is begging or forcing you and your family to be Igbo, Igbo tag is not a merchandise.

Have a nice day.

Ishilove:
Don't let my father hear you. He will break ya head hecause he has declared to all and sundry that he is Ukwuani, not igbo.

But if we are to look at it holistically, the Ukwuani are part of the Igbo although we have long since denied this.

What is identity? "We see ourselves as multitudes' wrote the psychologist Walt Whitman. In other words, in that innate part of our psyches, who are who we say we are, even if it is different from how the world sees us.

Take for example, in a plane full of white people, you and another fellow are the only black people on board, you will find yourself subconsciously gravitating towards that black person because a bond has been formed based on your racial identities. The plane passengers see two black people, the black see people each other as 'brothers'.

Same with the Ukwuani. They have long rejected the ethnic nomenclature 'Igbo', even if the facts state otherwise. A core aspect of us have embraced the notion that we are a separate ethnic group and thus, we are who we say we are.

Well, as long as the sun exists and the earth persists, Ukwuani will ultimately end up with SE. That's the natural order of things.

This core part of you that accepted a separate existence started existing post 1970 with the birth of "one Nigeria", it will ultimately die with Nigeria and with the generation that witnessed the civil war.

[b]

With the fall of Ogwashi-Uku, the Anioma was doomed for balkanization. Dr. Egwu briefly summarizes what thereafter befell the Anioma as thus:

"Anioma Region was divided into four and joined to other groups neighbours who were then given political precedence over Anioma. Asaba Division was joined to the Benin Province and Aboh Division (Ndi-Olu) were joined with Urhobo, Ijaws and Itsekiris to make up the Delta Province. Onitsha, Oguta and environs were joined to the Eastern Provinces. This made political unity nearly impossible. This was the genesis of our woes!

With the fall of Anioma, the great price for losing a war was paid by the people. The region was balkanized by the British and many Anioma territories such as Onicha-Ado (Onitsha) and Oguta were permanently lost to the easterners. That of Onitsha was characterized with a change of the name that disassociated it from Onicha-Olona, Onicha-Ukwu, Onicha-Uku kinsmen but in all Anioma achieved for the Igbo nation a movement more extensive and resisting than what the British had experienced in Africa South of the Sahara. [/b]

That's the balkanization of Anioma. Losing a resistance comes with a price of balkanization. We are discussing this topic today because Ndiigbo lost a war, if not never would any Anioma doubt his/ her Igbo identity.

Lezzlie:
The emboldened underline your lack of political depth. And again your hypocritical segregational stance. Onitsha claim they aren't "Igbos" too. So there's no bases for your wrongly held notion of "our Ontisha" for people who deny you in reality or pretense.

And of course they share the same oral history with Anioma.
But you fail to see the huge geopolitical spread it would have done the Igbo nation: having a huge unbroken foothold spreading from the east onto the Niger-delta.

Yes we know that Onitsha were part of the Anioma people, until Anioma people lost their Ekwumekwu resistance against the British and Aniomaland was Balkanized as punishment by the British into four provinces:
https://www.nairaland.com/520042/western-igbo-resistance-british-occupation

But you must understand why SE will never cede Onitsha back to Anioma until every iota of Igbo denial heard in Anioma is totally expunged and this would likely happen only in an Igbo nation, not Nigeria.
Look at what happened in PH, the SE built up Onitsha like we did PH, if we let Onitsha fall into the hands of people deep in Igbo denial, with Onitsha affinity to Ndiigbo in SE loose, who is to say that history won't repeat itself, as the government apparatus might be hijacked and used by Igbophobic Aniomas that find themselves in the government to frustrate SE investments in Onitsha and our Onitsha declared a non Igbo city?

Anioma should forget about Onitsha in this current Nigerian arrangement, the only way they are getting Onitsha back is post Nigeria existence.

cyril10:
I am Igbo man from Delta, Oshimili North to be precise. What is Oshimili in Ibo is not river, so I wonder why some of my people deny they are Ibos when they have names like Oliseh, Chukwudi, Emeka.

My surname is Igbo, my children have Ibo names, so I am proudly Igbo, even though some Igbos doesn't see us as part of them.

You don't need anybody else validation to be Igbo. You don't let them tell you if you are Igbo or not, as non of them have such rights, they only claim to, because you let them.

The first pan Igbo language conference was held in Anioma soil, not in any SE town, it was in Asaba in 1908.

Only Aniomas that don't know their history, but will rather hold unto fallacious Bini stories that get labelled "Fake Igbos" by the Igbos in SE.

IkpuMmadu:
Dalu

Just that some times they sound as if they are one special breed


Igbo still got oil but don't best with oil...igbo brag with their intelligence

True! Same with Ukwuani. I only listed those things because you asked of what they will bring to the table.

Fertile land like we already have in SE, crude oil like we already have, and a non islamicized, Igbo dialect speaking people will always make a good addition to the Igbo nation.