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Zico5:
See the ipod above me. They think they are above everyone in every area. I know they will reduce their praise since they are not one of them but if they see chukwudi or nwakali their ego will be on the rise. What a world, we should not be selfish in everything.

Go and sit down. The two Northerners are still learners where Iheanacho and Iwobi are. They are at best, at Nwakali's level, and Nwakali will surpass them by the end of this season.

Some group of people will always be better than other groups, all fingers can never be equal.

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MadCow1:
Congrats Imo State and IPOB...


You guys just got Verified by Ijaw Militants.


Now the Ecological disaster in the South South is at your door step. #KnockKnockBiitches..

You guys? Are you not forgetting that you are supposed to be from the SE? You are not good at being an impostor, are you?

blues20:
you made valid point, but veered on the process when you start attacking the person of Pa Enahoro and Edo people. I dont't think that is necessary. Anyway kudos to you for reseting that dude.

Enahoro represented everything wrong with Africa. A ruthless man that promoted the use of starvation as a tool of war against a people he pretended to want to share a nation with, gets no respect from me, neither do those who support him and his actions.

Again,this issue of secession clause is only a lame excuse the Yorubas and Edoids hide under to promote their one Nigeria affinity .

There was no guarantee that if the secession clause was supported by Zik, that it would have been allowed to be used by Bia***ans or any other secessionist to achieve their aim.

Until the July counter coup and the following Igbo massacre, Igbos were not pro secession, so we would have never needed the secession clause until Gowon took over, and I have no doubt that if the secession clause existed then, it would have been annulled by Gowon and the North with New decrees propounded and we would have still had to fight to get our. Bia*** nation.

So this whole business of if Zik allowed secession clause that it would have been easier for Bia*** secession in 1966 or even now is stupid and redundant.

3. There is a reason why Zik is not celebrated amongst the Igbos instead Ojukwu was. Zik was a one Nigeria apologist and always puting the interest of one Nigeria ahead of those of Ndiigbo.

3. Ojukwu must have stupidly believed in one Nigeria as a young soldier, but once he saw one Nigeria for what it was, after she claimed the lives of thousands of Igbos Ojukwu sent back to the North after the first massacre,he became pro secession. Enahoro was pro secession one minute, the next minute he was one Nigerian apologist, go figure.

4. Biafran soldiers only passed through the Midwest because that was the only route to Lagos, the Nigerian military headquarters, and by the way, Okonkwo was a Midwestern, are you by any means suggesting that only Edos were entitled to being appointed the leaders in Midwest, I remember that before the coup, the premier of Midwest was an Igbo too.

5. Is Edo not an annex of the Hausa-Fulani dominated Nigeria today? Even though I know that there was never a way the East would have annexed Edoland, empire building is not the Igbo man trait,the Biafra annexing Edo ish is a product of the Edos ignorance induced hallucinations, seeing that all the dead Bini empire knew how to do in the past was to annex surrounding clans unto itself, she naturally expect her own worst behavior of others. Newsflash: Bia***ns fought a war of survival and not annexation, at no point was mid west part of Bia***** during the war.

6. You are yet to prove how Zik prevented the Yorubas from secession, so this your statement of Zik being used against the South is at best funny and ignorance Laden.
Ojukwu prevented the Ijaw secession, ( not South seccession or whatever you meant by that),I concede that, but you are not Ijaw and so in no position to complain about Ojukwu preventing the Ijaw exit, neither are the Ijaws now singing one Nigeria because Ojukwu prevented their first attempt at secession, they are instead hardcore secessionists, as of today represented by NDA.

Zik remain a prominent Nigerian, Abuja airport is named after him, many roads in Abuja and Lagos are named after him, he has his picture in 500 naira note, he is known as one the founding fathers of Nigeria, even GEJ adopted his name, who knows Enahoro?
The old fool died a nobody, the one Nigeria he sacrificed millions for didn't even know the day he died, but the supposedly rebel, Ojukwu got a national burial from the same Nigeria he fought against.
While Enahoro and his Edo people faded into the shadows of the Nigerian political sphere, Ndiigbo continues to shine bright even in the one Nigeria Enahoro fought for. What exactly did Enahoro achieve for himself or for his people after the war?

1. Ethiopia was not a British colonial entity, she was never colonized, so I don't really understand the point you plan to highlight with Ethiopia and Eritrea example. This is a case of Apple and oranges.

2. The Ijaws issue was not part of the scope of this discussion, the scope of the discussion is Zik preventing Secession clause that Yoruboids and Edos claimed to have wanted, but since you dragged the Ijaws into this issue, maybe it's time I clear you on that.

You can't bring up Ijaw into the discussion, because as we speak, Ijaws are seeking for independence under the aegis of NDA, It wasn't Yorubas or Edoids that Ojukwu prevented from secession, it was the Ijaws, so a Yoruba or Edoid talking about Ojukwu preventing Ijaws from secession sounds redundant.


The Ijaw goal of secession has not changed,unlike the Yoruboids and Edoids, the Ijaws are not saying that since Ojukwu forced them into Nigeria, that they must remain caged in Nigeria just to keep Ndiigbo in Nigeria, instead they remain resolute in their desire for secession irrespective of whether Ndiigbo plans on leaving Nigeria or not. They are not standing on the Igbo route to secession as they are too busy planning their own secession. They are not one Nigeria apologists like Yorubas and Edoids.

But you Edoids and Yoruboids have a different mentality, your mentality is like this: " Since Zik refused to vote for secession clause, we must make sure we trap ourselves and Igbos in one Nigeria".

The Edoids and Yoruboids are one Nigeria apologists, the Ijaws are not. Which leads me to question the sincerity of the Edoids and Yorubas demand for secession clause.

@Deadlytruth.
You are all over the place, our argument was about Zik forcefully keeping the Yoruba and Edoids in one Nigeria, but now you have gone and drawn the Ijaws into the argument and even Ojukwu.

Now, on Eritrea, Eritrea didn't leave Ethiopia peacefully, it was in battle front and they won.

Ethiopia independence was not negotiated, they won it in war front against the Italians, it is not same with Nigeria.


Enahoro is not a wise man, on the contrary he is foolish that cut his nose to spite his face If he wanted secession, he would have gone for it, there is no telling whether Zik would have allowed himself be used as a puppet and Ndiigbo as footsoldiers to hold back Edoids, Zik was not a military man, and he is not ruthless in power hunt like Awo.
Enahoro for the fear of uncertainty chickened out of his said plan for secession, but what happened when the Biafran secession offered him and his fellow Edoids the chance to secede, did Enahoro take the chance? No. Enahoro and Akenzua served as a British stooge in keeping not just his people, but Easterners in Nigeria, so how can we even be sure that Enahoro genuinely wanted secession If he changes his stance at the drop of the hat. Or was his support for "One Nigeria" in 1966 a childish way of paying the East back even if it meant that his own people become trapped in the colonial contraption? If so, then he was even more stupid than I earlier thought, little wonder he died as a Man full of regrets. Used and dumped by the British and their Northern/ Yoruba foot soldiers is the best way to describe Enahoro condition Post civil war.

Igbos only became massacred because insincere men like Enahoro became British footsoldiers. But there is no knowing if Ndiigbo would have become footsoldiers for the British against Edoids and Yoruboids if they seceded pre independence, and hence, Ndiigbo and Zik can't be blamed for sins they never committed, but Enahoro and Awo can be blamed for sins they committed.

A minor award, yet the Yoruba mods rushed it to the front page.

A greater achievement was made, but all effort was taken by Yoruba mods here to hide it, as if human hands can cover the sun: https://www.nairaland.com/3175227/igbo-man-becomes-first-african

Anyway, congrats to the young lass. May the force be with her.

All in all. You are yet to prove that Zik forced Yorubas and Edoids into the Nigerian union, as there was never a time the Edoids and Yorubas declared Independence and Zik led a military campaign to bring them back to the union. Zik was entitled to his belief and exercised them by voting against secession clause, but this does not in anyway translate to Zik preventing the Yorubas and Edoids from secession.

All in all. You are yet to prove that Zik forced Yorubas and Edoids into the Nigerian union, as there was never a time the Edoids and Yorubas declared Independence and Zik led a military campaign to bring them back to the union. Zik was entitled to his belief and exercised them by voting against secession clause, but this does not in anyway translate to Zik preventing the Yorubas from seceding.

If the fear of Britain's repercussion was what informed Zik's dislike for anything secession then how come Enahoro who proposed the clause was not aware of the possibility of British repercussion?
Zik's dislike for secession was not a matter of fear of Britain but of a deep (though erroneous) personal conviction that an intact Nigeria would be better than a dismembered NIgeria.

No doubt the fact that Zik was a staunch "one Nigeria" apologists, but it's also true that this his "one Nigeria" dream was in alignment with the British interests.

Enahoro and Awo proposed for a secession clause, to which Zik declined, how exactly does this translate to Zik forcing one Nigeria on Yorubas and Edoids, did Zik hold them at gun point to still go on with one Nigeria without secession clause? No! He simply persuaded them with superior argument and made them see reason. If at any point Awo and Enahoro felt uncomfortable with one Nigeria, they reserved the right to seek a redress via declaration of their region independent, and if Zik serves as a puppet in the British desire to draw them back, then they could really say that Zik made secession impossible for them.

Are you suggesting that if the three regions had all agreed to go their separate ways,or at least all unanimously agreed to the secession clause Britain would have refused and then just start shooting and killing Nigerians and the UNO and other world powers would be watching?

Were the world powers and UNO not watching while Bia***ns were shot and starved by the British backed Nigeria?

If the regional leaders refused to concede to the British idea of a Post independent Nigeria, there wouldn't be any independence, and nothing would have happened, except resort to violent struggle by the independence campaigners, which of course would see the British handle them as they deemed fit, and nothing will happen, it's a Caucasian world.

When Ojukwu later declared secession was it Britain that fought him back or Northern Nigeria for selfish interest? If, in response to Ojukwu's declaration of Biafra, Gowon had simply congratulated Ojukwu and wished him and his new Republic well, would Britain have come to force Biafra back into Nigeria?


Yes! It was the British that fought Ojukwu and sought to keep Nigeria one. Gowon and Awo were mere puppets they used, and the Nigerian military were but their foot soldiers.

History has it that the July coup was carried out by the North with aim to secede. The Northerners were shouting "Araba"( Secession), during the Igbo massacre, it was their intent to secede until the British came in and promised to fund their war in exchange for crude oil control.

The best way to right a wrong and profer solutions, is firstly by pointing out a wrong, secondly for the wrong party to agree that he is wrong, then the ground would have been watered for an advice aimed at righting the wrong to germinate, grow and bear fruits.

APC sycophants can't even admit that Buhari is on the wrong path, how then can they seek for advice on the way forward, when they are yet to admit that the country under Buhari policies is moving backwards.

Utomi is being crucified for pointing out a wrong, I guess his head would be cut off by the time he gets to the advice part.

Deadlytruth:
You are very funny. You missed my argument completely. Was the secession clause which Enahoro and Awolowo proposed going to take effect while Britain was still around or after their departure with their military might? It was targeted to be used in future after the colonial masters must have left and would therefore not be able to force back into Nigeria anyone who wanted to seceed.

Nigeria independence was negotiated and not won in battle front, incase you have not noticed. There was never going to be room for secession by the British. That must have been part of the conditions. If secession was as easy as you thought, Bamenda would have achieved it, instead she was offered the option to either join the Cameroon or remain stuck in Nigeria.

You think the British would have been too stupid not to notice the secession clause and it's future implications?
Zik wanted independence by all means,even if it meant playing by the British rule, as the only alternative was arm struggle, which Nigeria would not have stood a chance.

Will an Anioma state be viable? Yes, atleast more viable than non viable statee like Gombe, Jigawa, Kebbi and the rest.
Anioma boasts of refined human resources of the highest order, fertile land and mineral resources( Coal, Crude oil and natural gas), things most non viable states up north lacks.

Will it be wise strategically thinking to carve out Anioma from the Delta state? I'm not sure, but it does appear Anioma has not gained much for Hosting the capital of Delta, infrastructurally speaking.

Can Anioma state be achieved in the present Nigerian system? No

State creation is almost impossible in this civilian dispensation, by proliferating the number of states and representatives in the NASS in the North, the Northern military junta ensured that the current lopsided northern Dominance in the number of states and representation in the NASSS will continue till the colonial entity Nigeria ceases to exist.

The North will through its dominance in the NASS make it impossible to create ANIOMA state, without balancing it by creating another non viable state up North.

Anioma state can never happen under current Nigerian political system and Northern dominated democracy.

[b] Paul Anber's essay "Modernization and Political Disintegration: Nigeria and the Ibos" published in the journal of Modern African Studies vol. 5, No 2 (Sep, 1967) 163-179. See pp 171-172 for excerpt:
" '' A system of Universal primary education was introduced in Eastern Nigeria in 1953, though the mission schools had already prospered in the Region long before then. Despite the fact that there was a requirement for limited contributory fees, education continued to be very much in demand. Even at the time when universal primary education was first introduced, the percentage of the population over seven years of age who were literate was higher in the East than in any other Region: East, 10.6 per cent; West 9.5 percent; North, 0.9 percent. Since 1959, the East has had more teachers and pupils than any other area of the country, with the heaviest emphasis on primary education. Figures for elementary and secondary education indicate that the approximate ratio of teachers to population in 1963 was 1 to every 1,500 in the East, 1 to every 2,500 in th West, and 1 for every 10,000 in the north. Other statistical data reveal how rapidly the standard of living rose among Ibos. The East had the most extensive hospital facilities in the country by 1965, the largest regional production of electricity in the country by 1954, and the greatest number of vehicle registrations by 1963. The economic orientation of the Ibos was also reflected through membership of credit associations:in 1963 the East had 68,220 individual members, the west 5,776, and the north a mere 2,407." ''... His source was the Annual Abstract of Statistics ( Federal Office of Statistics, Lagos, 1965) [/b]

Olabestonic001:
That's not true. Osadebe had no political affiliation with core Igbo during that time.

2. The regions enjoyed enormous powers, so much that Akintola's New coalition with the North would matter less, seeing as the two Igbo controlled regions just newly discovered oil wealth, and with the 50:50 revenue sharing formula between the region and the FG then, control of the East and Midwest was more lucrative than control of the FG.
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That's also half-truth. Nigeria was practicing Regional Autonomy and not resource control. So, the money was only handed down to them and not they to the Federal Govt. Interestingly, many Nigerians do not know that we've never ever practiced Resources Control but just Regional Autonomy.

3. How exactly did Ironsi centralization ish favour Ndiigbo, when it now meant that we had to share the newly discovered crude oil wealth of the Midwest and East with the North and the West, haven't we been accused of wanting Biafra just to corner the crude oil wealth of ND, how exactly would centralization of the government, help Ndiigbo to corner the crude oil, don't you think that regionalism was a better way to go, if the theory of Igbo greed for crude oil must hold?
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You need a knowledge of History bro. Its just like our children asking in the next 50yrs how PMB's regine favors Hausa/Fulani. You can join the dotted lines.

4. The crude wealth of the Midwest and East would have put Ndiigbo millions of miles away from the North and the West, once we allowed the minorities to have an upper hand in the wealth.
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That's not true. There's no empirical evidence of such an empty boast.

Nzeogwu coup was totally anti Igbo.

It eliminated Akintola, Awo's nemesis. With Akintola alive, Yorubas would remain divided between Awo and Akintola, making their exploitation easier. Akintola death freed Awo, United Yorubas who then worked against Ndiigbo as a United front. [/b]

That's only partially true. What united Yoruba's more was the Bombing of the Cinema at Yaba by Biafra Rebels.

Are you aware that Osadebey was one of the founding fathers of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo and a staunchman of Igbo union of the old? You need your ignorance cured. Osadebey as an Asaba man allegiance to the Igbo race was never been in doubt.

The derivation rate in 1960's was 50-50, whether the FG is handing out the regions or regions to the FG is immaterial to the point raised. What mattered was that with 50-50 resource derivation formular , the regions were more lucrative than the FG.
The East already controled it's Coal, it could also control it's crude oil.

Wrong Analogy. If Buhari approves the SNC resolutions which will render the North current unfair advantage leveled, then future northerners would be right to ask how Buhari's presidency favoured them. But as it stands, Buhari is not only upholding the current system that favours the North, he is equalling consolidating North's grip on power by his overtly loopsided appointments.

You are comparing apples with oranges here bro. You need a crash program to update you mental abilities.

That's true. That was already a documented empirical evidence to show that the East was already light years ahead of the West and North in all facets of development in the 60's, addition of crude oil wealth to the Eastern region growth machine would have only widened the gap between her and the rest of the country even more.
Look at my next post to see the empirical evidence.

The Treacherous Awolowo had already made up his mind on his treachery even before he came visiting Ojukwu in Enugu, his antecedents lends credence to that. If Akintola wasn't eliminated during the coup, Awo would not be returning home to Yorubaland to start his Igbophobic schemes, he would be returning home to continue his fight for the soul of Yorubaland with the formidable Akintola, right from where they stopped before Awo became a convicted criminal.

When he was a secessionist, you people were against him. When he returned and embraced 'one Nigeria', you people were against him.

EPIC!

@ Deadlytruth

Again, you don't get the point. Zik at no point in time threatened Awolowo and the Western region war, should they leave the union. It was a well understood thing amongst the elites, that any that seek for the dissolution of the colonial entity must first battle the British.

Zik was only convincing Awo and his band of cowards to stay and avoid the repercussions of secession. It must be emphasized that Nigeria's independence was not won in battle field, it was negotiated and it was obvious that the British would not grant independence to any separate region that would seek to leave the union.

Bamenda wanted full independence, but the colonial masters had already drawn the map of Africa the way they seemed fit in Berlin, and would not allow indigenous people have a say in it. Hence Bamenda was presented the option of either joining Cameroun or remaining in Nigeria, the only way they could attain their main desire, which was to exist as an independent state, was by going out on a full war with the British.

Awo and Enahoro know the only pathway to secession for any of the regions was full war with the British, Zik was only relaying the British position of things to them, and diplomatically persuaded them to forgo their secession agenda. He never forced anyone at gun point to remain in Nigeria.

If Awo wanted secession that bad, he could have gone on to declare his region independent and dare the wrath of the British. And if he did so, and Zik rallied Ndiigbo to enroll into Nigerian military and serve as foot soldiers for the British to punish the Yorubas and bring them back to Nigeria , then the propaganda of Zik forcing one Nigeria on Awo and Western Nigeria would have grounds.

But as it stands, that argument is a non starter, as Zik was only saving his head by not defying the British, if Awo wanted secession bad enough, he could have declared Independence of the Western region, he didn't, he chickened out, and today his descendants and fans think they can lay Awo's cowardice on the feet of Zik?

Are you guys for real?

Now that we have bursted Awolowo as an Evil genius he was. Can we now all agree that this thread has served it's purpose, and unanimously close it?

Mynd44, whatcha say?

[b] Now let me give you reasons why Nzeogwu coup was not to Igbo advantage.

1. Igbo controlled two of the four regions of Nigeria before Nzeogwu coup. Osadebey and Okpara were the premiers of the Midwestern and Eastern regions respectively.

2. The regions enjoyed enormous powers, so much that Akintola's New coalition with the North would matter less, seeing as the two Igbo controlled regions just newly discovered oil wealth, and with the 50:50 revenue sharing formula between the region and the FG then, control of the East and Midwest was more lucrative than control of the FG.

3. How exactly did Ironsi centralization ish favour Ndiigbo, when it now meant that we had to share the newly discovered crude oil wealth of the Midwest and East with the North and the West, haven't we been accused of wanting Biafra just to corner the crude oil wealth of ND, how exactly would centralization of the government, help Ndiigbo to corner the crude oil, don't you think that regionalism was a better way to go, if the theory of Igbo greed for crude oil must hold?

4. The crude wealth of the Midwest and East would have put Ndiigbo millions of miles away from the North and the West, once we allowed the minorities to have an upper hand in the wealth.

Nzeogwu coup was totally anti Igbo.

It eliminated Akintola, Awo's nemesis. With Akintola alive, Yorubas would remain divided between Awo and Akintola, making their exploitation easier. Akintola death freed Awo, United Yorubas who then worked against Ndiigbo as a United front. [/b]

[b] Why the coup is strongly linked to Awo.

1. The coup planners already said that they intended to enthrone, Awo, a convicted criminal found guilty of financial crimes and treason in a civilian law court and sentenced to prison.

2. The coup ended up eliminating Awo's staunch enemies, ie Akintola and Balewa, the two main people he and his fans accused of masterminding his incarceration.

3. With Akintola alive, Awo would have ended up the way of Abiola, he would have died in prison, as Akintola would have naturally sought to consolidate power, and would ultimately know that that will depend on permanently eliminating Awo from the picture.

4. Awo had previously been found guilty of masterminding a civilian hostile take over and toppling of Balewa's government, this and his later failed attempt at toppling IBB government, are great pointers to the ruthlessness of Awo and the extent he could go to acquire power, it also lends credence to the fact that Awo was well capable of masterminding a coup. [/b]

A handsome man, will always remain a handsome man.

Despite his travails, Nnamdi remains pure in spirit and in appearance.

May the forces be with him.

gabby227:
Imagine the whole southeastern states is equal to Kogi State. The same land Area

Imagine Kazakhstan is like the whole Belgium and Switzerland times 10.

Its not the size of the landmass, it's the size of the brain capacity of the inhabitants.

Why the coup is strongly linked to Awo.

1. The coup planners already said that they intended to enthrone, Awo, a convicted criminal found guilty of financial crimes and treason in a civilian law court and sentenced to prison.

2. The coup ended up eliminating Awo's staunch enemies, ie Akintola and Balewa, the two main people he and his fans accused of masterminding his incarceration.

3. With Akintola alive, Awo would have ended up the way of Abiola, he would have died in prison, as Akintola would have naturally sought to consolidate power, and would ultimately know that that will depend on permanently eliminating Awo from the picture.

4. Awo had previously been found guilty of masterminding a civilian hostile take over and toppling of Balewa's government, this and his later failed attempt at toppling IBB government, are great pointers to the ruthlessness of Awo and the extent he could go to acquire power, it also lends credence to the fact that Awo was well capable of masterminding a coup.

[b] Now let me give you reasons why Nzeogwu coup was not to Igbo advantage.

1. Igbo controlled two of the four regions of Nigeria before Nzeogwu coup. Osadebey and Okpara were the premiers of the Midwestern and Eastern regions respectively.

2. The regions enjoyed enormous powers, so much that Akintola's New coalition with the North would matter less, seeing as the two Igbo controlled regions just newly discovered oil wealth, and with the 50:50 revenue sharing formula between the region and the FG then, control of the East and Midwest was more lucrative than control of the FG.

3. How exactly did Ironsi centralization ish favour Ndiigbo, when it now meant that we had to share the newly discovered crude oil wealth of the Midwest and East with the North and the West, haven't we been accused of wanting Biafra just to corner the crude oil wealth of ND, how exactly would centralization of the government, help Ndiigbo to corner the crude oil, don't you think that regionalism was a better way to go, if the theory of Igbo greed for crude oil must hold?

4. The crude wealth of the Midwest and East would have put Ndiigbo millions of miles away from the North and the West, once we allowed the minorities to have an upper hand in the wealth.

Nzeogwu coup was totally anti Igbo.

It eliminated Akintola, Awo's nemesis. With Akintola alive, Yorubas would remain divided between Awo and Akintola, making their exploitation easier. Akintola death freed Awo, United Yorubas who then worked against Ndiigbo as a United front. [/b]

On the January coup, I had since decided that Awo was the masterminder of the coup, I had given reasons why I thought so.

And oh, Awo was no way a saint before the January coup, so saying that the coup planners singled him out for enthronment because he was not a mediocre or not corrupt like the Rest is a bit funny.

Awo was found guilty of financial crime and of treason.
He was a convicted criminal that was tried in a civilian court of justice and found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt of all the corruption and treason charges leveled against him. I know that this is a difficult fact for Awo supporters to accept, and they felt Two was wrongly judged, but the truth remain that the presiding judge was a Yoruba, and Awo was tried according to all the principles of Nigerian judiciary ssystem, and was rightly condemned as a Criminal.

Deadlytruth:
I normally don't give audience to people who can't debate without insults. That you hate Awolowo does not give you a licence to resort to abusive language with anyone who does not share your view about him.
How could Hausas have hidden the truth about an issue documented in the US library and British catalogue? You are just too emotional. When Awolowo plotted a coup as a free man outside prison he was found out. Then how could he have plotted a coup from inside prison without being found out? Emotions are clearly overshadowing your logical processes.
If you were honest you would have acknowledged that it was even Zik that contributed most to the forceful marriage of Nigeria. In 1954 Northerners declared that they were not ready for independence and that the South should go on its way but Zik decided to have independence delayed till the North was ready to join Nigeria. Also the same Zik vehemently opposed the inclusion of seccession clause in the independence constitution claiming that the unity of Nigeria was non-negotiable. In fact when Enahoro and Awolowo moved a motion for the inclusion of secession clause it was Zik and his followers who mocked them and termed them tribalists who did not love to see a "united" Nigeria. Is Nigeria now united even with the non-inclusion of the clause? When Awolowo wanted secession to be put in the constitution Zik refused and called him a tribalist who did not want "One-Nigeria", so when Zik too later wanted secession Awolowo too refused and opted for "One-Nigeria". If I were in Awolowo's shoes I will do the same. How can you mock me as a tribalist for making a realistic demand and then when you later turn around to ask for that same thing and expect me to support you? I will never support you!

Can you provide just one colonial document, where the British granted any of the Nigerian region the right to secede?

How exactly can Zik, a civilian with no military back up force Yorubas and the North into Nigerian project? Are you even listening to yourself?

The North was not ready for independence, yes, but there was never a time the British granted any of the regions leeway to secede. It was never on the agenda.

If Awo wanted to secede, all needed do was declare the Western region an independent region, but Awo was scared of the repercussion, so he hid behind Zik and the North to demand for secession clause, when he knew a too well that the British were not open to Nigeria dIsintegration.

If Awo declared Independence and Zik mobilized Igbo soldiers to fight him, you would have had a point, but as it stands, you are assigning supernatural powers to Zik, by insinuating that he forced the West and North into the Nigerian union.

You simply have no point.

PabloAfricanus:
Ukwuani can still maintain its distinctive nature, but it has to be under the Igbo banner,
But you just did.
Who made you an arbiter of political affiliation for them?

Its true that over time they have had migrations from different places and thus clearly have settlers in their midst,
so somehow their identity must have been altered.
And this is no different from the Igbos across the Niger like the Abribas, Arochukwus, the Ohafias, the Ezzas, the Ndokis, the Wawas and the rest.
They have over time mixed up with the Igalas, the Ibibios, Efiks, Idomas etc.
Homogeneity in ethnic composition can never be 100%. Intermarriages and migrations guarantee that.
Whether it is a case of Hausa slaves or Bini migrants or whatever, they are the final arbiters of their political affiliations.
The best you can do is appeal to shared histories, language, cultures and traditions as a unifying factor.
It is left to them to decide, not you.

How exactly did I? I am already maintaining status quo. Until the custodians of Ukwuani culture and traditions comes out to denounce their Igbo identity, it will remain so.

You don't expect me to take the words of aliens over those of the aboriginals?

There is no appealing to the aliens in Ukwuani, they know their ancestry, and they know it's not Igbo, appealing to them is waste of time. And such I don't have.