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Deadlytruth:
When we started this debate it was strictly about Edoid and Igbo, but it was you who brought in Yorubas mention to buttress your point. Are you yourself Yoruba? Please check backwards. So why now trying to stop me too from citing Ijaws to buttress mine? Double standards?
You know the Ijaw experience narrative is the most powerful and unassailable evidence of Igbos guilt and hypocrisy in Nigeria hence you are not comfortable with it thus you keep trying to conceal it. I will keep using it because there lies the ugliest part of Igbo oppression of the Southern minorities.

I have repeatedly told you that Edo was not interested in seeking independence through an unconstitutional self declaration that would warrant attack from Nigeria, but through the results of referendum which Zik botched. Must we seek independence the in the way Igbos want it? Why do Igbos always assume people must do things according to their own opinion? I don't get it!

If you don't see violence and unprovoked hate messages in Kanu's speeches then I wonder the Radio Biafra site you visit online.

Even the Aburi Accord was not a call for independence.
I thought you already argued that there was no guarantee that the secession clause would have been obeyed if Zik had allowed it into our constitution? So why are you now assuming that there was a guarantee that Aburi accord would have been obeyed if Edos had supported it (without prejudice to the falsehood in that claim anyway)?

On the contrary, from the beginning, I tied Edo aspirations to that of Yorubas, and rightly so. So you see, Yoruba were part of the discussion from the word go.

The discussion is centered around secession clause purportedly proposed by an EDO( Enahoro) and Yoruba ( Awo) persons, which the Edos and Yorubas now hide behind as the reason for their current "one Nigeria" stand, since they delusionally believe that Ndiigbo were the ones that denied their leaders Awo and Enahoro the opportunity to leave the union.


The Ijaws share no part in this secession clause and does not in any way make remarks about them.
It' the Yorubas and Edos that do. So it's basically impossible to separate Yoruba and Edos in this discussion, but it's only desperation that is making you to tag the Ijaws along, as I had showed they have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion, you as an Edo using the Ijaw angle is only an act of desperation, I can only discuss such with an Ijaw, or you can open thread about that separately.

You are yet to show any colonial evidence to prove that the secession clause was ever offered as an option to Nigerian groups, until you do so, we can only continue to go in circle, until you do, Zik cannot botch what never existed. I noticed you have dropped the Ethiopia- Eritrea angle.

No violence from Kanu. Kanu only reply those who threaten violence on Bia*** and Bia***ns, only a tree hears that it is about to be cut down and stays still.
Show me the so called Kanu violent speeches, and I will show you more violent ones from Edo/ Yoruba/ Northern elements that elicited that, actions bring about reactions. Today your Security agents are shooting at unarmed IPOBians and MASSOBians, unleashing untold violence on them, tomorrow when they decide to take it no more and pick up arms, you run Around accusing them of being a violent group, when in truth, they were only defending themselves from the real violent ones, ie Nigerians.

Yes, the very fact that Aburi accord was not about secession, proves the fact that Ojukwu and Ndiigbo were never up for secession, we just wanted a place we can call our own, free from the northern massacre.
History has it that Gowon had already agreed to the agreements at Aburi, until Edoid and Yoruboids voices started whispering to hid ears when he returned back to Lagos that true Federalism equates to secession, and must be resisted even if it meant war.

The same Edoids and Yoruboids that go about the social media today telling any that care to listen that a demand for referendum by IPOB and MASSOB must be interpreted as a demand for war.

Deadlytruth:
I thought you already said Nri Kingdom gave the Benin Kingdom a run for its money so much that Benin had to protect itself from Nri onslaught by building moats facing the East? If not for expansionism and empire building intents what then was the motivation of that purported Nri onslaught which, according to you, forced Benin insulate itself with moats?
If level of education was responsible for Igbos dominance in the army as regards commissioned officers then how come Yorubas who so embraced education and pioneered the making of it free had far less commissioned officers than Igbos and Hausas put together? Igbos were actually pliant to British rule and Zik demonstrated that Igbo pliant nature by always believing in preserving and sustaining the "One-Nigeria" fraud created by Britain. If Igbos were not pliant why didn't just a single one of them ever rebel against Zik over that?

Your theory of Igbo resistance to British rule is not logical as resistance to British rule was not by Aba Women's riot that happened after British rule had started but about fighting against the very introduction of British rule for which Oba Ovoramwen was a quitessence unlike Igbos who offered no single resistance to the incoming of Britain.

As at the time a peace meeting was being sought between Ojukwu and Gowon with Benin as the proposed venue, Edos had not killed or spoken against any Igbo man despite the fact that Okotie-Eboh a very prominent Edoid son had just been murdered in cold blood by Ifeajuna-Igbo. So how come you now claim Ojukwu rejected Benin because Edo people were not neutral about the issues as of that moment?
The truth is Enahoro was released from Ironsi's/Ojukwu's further detention by Gowon and ordinarily could and should have, in vengeance against Ojukwu and Igbos, rightly decided never to mediate between Gowon and Ojukwu. But he forgave Ojukwu's/Ironsi's past and offered himself together with Akenzua as mediators thus was neither on Nigeria's or Biafra's side. But Ojukwu's paranoia engendered by guilty conscience and shame would not allow him sit face to face with Enahoro in Benin hence his rejection of Benin.

If you now argue that Aburi Accord would have given the Midwest autonomy and federalism then how does that tally with the claim of 99% Igbos that Ironsi's Unification Decree did not dismantle federalism?

No, the Western Igbo clans I meant is the current Anioma kingdoms of Agbor, Owa, Igbodo, Ubulu Ukwu, etc. They refused to be fully colonized by Edo, they fought back against Bini imperialism.
They fought wars of survival against Edo and not for expansion or imperialism.

Army is not for the faint hearted, Yorubas never fancied the military, the Igbos were into everything.

Zik was one Nigeria apologist, but even in Zik time, there were Igbos who were anti Nigerian. Zik just eclipsed them all and stamped his authority and their voices died naturally.

Edo loyalty was with the North and Yorubas, Ojukwu perception was right when Edo personalities ended up with the Nigerian contingent in Aburi. Ojukwu was spot on, not choosing Edo as a neutral ground, Edos were not neutral. The advice of Akenzua to Gowon does not in any portray neutrality.

Lol! The so called Bini mushroom empire of blood and Gore was ransacked by the British in a matter of seconds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Expedition_of_1897

I'm sure that even Arochukwu exerted more resistance to the British: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Aro_War. Read about Okoro Toti, a better commander than Bini ones.
Even the Western Igbos mounted a more serious resistance against colonialism:

Are you saying that since you believe Ironsi introduced unitary system that doesn't favour even Edos, Edos were right in kicking against true Federalism that would even favour Edo, simply because it was being pushed by another Igbo man in Ojukwu ? Talk about biting off one's nose to spite one's face.

Deadlytruth:
Have you yourself not been the one suggesting all over this thread that Enahoro and Edos were cowards for choosing to seek secession by constitutional and civil means rather than take up arms and join Ojukwu and Igbos in the bloody fight for Biafra? Are the speeches being made by Nnamdi Kanu on Radio Biafra not violence instigating? Has Kanu ever made a speech demanding referendum or that all his speeches have been about how he will take over the SS states whether they like it or not, and that Nigeria is a Zoo? What is the non-violence in all of that?

Again, stop forcefully attaching to other groups in SS, this discussion is about Edos, Yorubas, Ndiigbo and Zik.

I am sure the other groups in SS can speak for themselves and don't need an Edo spokesperson. You don't see Edo in any proposed Bia*** map, do you?

How exactly has Kanu speech been Violent? All perceived violent speeches from Kanu were all in retaliation to violent speeches from the camps of Edo, Yorubas and their Northern owners. Yes, if you listen to RB, you will know that IPOB has been demanding for referendum on all her perceived Bia*** territories.

If Edo declared Independence and Zik mobilized the state to invade Edo, you would have had a point, but none of those scenario happened, which is why you are desperately trying to rope in Ijaws, whose scenario happened after the Edo own could or could not have happened, depending on Edo actions. We can only speak on things that happened and not on things you think could have happened.

Edo needed not to pick up arms, all they needed was stand by Aburi, which ensured equity for Edos themselves, or atleast try to stay away from corrupting Gowon's mind over Aburi.

caesaraba:
Unfortunately, a lot of Nigerians are stupid and if you even take the B.S on nairaland daily, you'd say the greater population of Nigerians are extremely stupid. The bigger problem here is that these stupid people are marrying other stupid people who will produce exceptionally stupid children who will grow up and continue the trends displayed on threads such as this one, others online and in various aspects of daily life. It is worrying.

Perhaps, this "stupidity" would explain why a man without SSCE was voted as the president of the country in 21st century where most countries are opting for highly educated ones.

OneNaira6:
It was carved out of Abia, not imo.

Egbema was the one carved out of Imo

No, it was carved out of old Imo state, but the part of old Imo state it was carved from, is presently in Abia state.

dragonking2:
Another topic written by an igbo man try so hard to convince people http://asabapost..co.ke/2010/04/ikwerre-igbo-22-misinformation-on-igbos.html?m=1

Can you or any of your representative provide this link written by one blogger to the federal government when the time comes? YES OR NO

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/11/omoigui-at-80-i-made-them-pay-for-claiming-i-removed-oil-wells-from-ondo-to-bendel/

Knock yourself out.

dragonking2:
Which article? Are you okay? you provided someones opinion..Go and present this crap when time for referendum reaches. Mtccchhheeewww...NEXT

Lol! Present what? Are you the one to tell Ndoki, Asa and Egbema people their history?
What made you think your opinion matter in this issue.

https://www.nairaland.com/3156667/ikwerre-igbo-22-misinformation-igbos/14

Go through Ikechu68 posts on this thread, if you are genuinely in search or answers.

dragonking2:
What is this You want me to believe what one person wrote on a forum? I can as well post something on another forum and bring it here to prove that igbo land belongs to niger delta... .. Oga, when referendum comes, na this chat link you go provide give government? Please do better..I am waiting for that proof and not word of mouth or single chat by a deluded person.

You must be living under the rock to not know that Oyigbo LGA was carved out of Imo state and joined to old Rivers state.

Even little kids know this. And I provided you with article where Abia state government was demanding that Oyigbo be returned back to Abia, yet you can't smell the coffee.

dragonking2:
Can you provide proof of this carving out? Thank you

Mammah Nasir boundary adjustment of 1976, carved out the Obigbo, now Oyigbo, comprising of 17 Ndoki and Asa towns from the old Imo state into the old Rivers state, simply because those were oil producing.
The bulk of Asa and Ndoki people were left in old Imo state, now Abia state.
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/soc.culture.nigeria/Ikv0LVIsOPM

It also carved out three oil producing villages of the Egbema clan from the old Imo state into the Old Rivers state, the remaining 17 villages were left in Old Imo state, and still in Imo state today.

PentiumPro:
Simple, this has nothing to do with WAEC SPECIAL CENTERS.

On top of useless award with nebulous criteria?

Here is real award and a first for that matter:https://www.nairaland.com/3175227/igbo-man-becomes-first-african

If Special centres keep producing more of the above, then those centres must really be special.

arresa:
But if na ibo the queen dey honor, we no go hear word. You beat chest till eternity...


Keep fooling yourself....yeye.

But you and your fellow Yorubas are already thumping your chests loud here.

Went through their criteria, and it was a bit nebulous.

https://www.queensyoungleaders.com/faqs/

Deadlytruth:
Nri Kingdom too thrived on blood and rituals to survive. If representation in the army followed population proportions then how come Igbos had more commissioned officers than the entire North whose population was multiple that of Igbos? Edo was not proportionally represented in the army because of the fact that the colonial masters deliberately gave administrative power to Hausas and gave military power to Igbos as these were the two most pliant and amenable tribes to their selfish interest.

Edo's were not interested in Aburi because Ojukwu had already rejected Benin as the meeting point claiming he would be killed there. Also the Aburi and all other trash was an issue between WaZoBia and Edo with other minorities had no business with it. Why could Ojukwu not patiently wait and consult more widely before declaring Biafra?

Your claim that Benin moats were built facing the East betrays crass Ignorance. Benin moats surrounded the city entirely.

You can cry as you like about Igbankes' decision to remain in Edo. Only Igbos see everything every other people's decision as stupid without caring to know why dey did so. Self-opinionated people. No wonder everyone abandoned them during the war.

Nri kingdom never subjugated any Igbo or non Igbo group,they were not empire builders, we can't say same of Bini.

Igbos had more officers because they embraced education more than the North. The North had more lower ranked officers, you needed education to be higher ranked, little wonder the likes of Buhari were allowed to scale through the higher ranks without pre requisite certificates.

The colonial masters wanted the Best,and fortunately Ndiigbo were the best.

The idea of Ndiigbo being more pliant to British colonial plans is a funny one, seeing as no Nigerian group resisted British rule more than Ndiigbo. The Ekumeku war, the Aba Women riots, the Anglo-Aro war, etc are testaments the the Igbo resistance to colonialism.

Ojukwu rejected Bini as a venue, because he knew that Edo was not neutral, Enahoro, and Akenzua were on the Gowon and Nigerian team, the choice of Aburi was well thought out, after what happened to Ironsi at Ibadan.

Edo was not part of the Aburi agreement, yet Edo persons were amongst the Nigerian contingent at Aburi, and the agreement would have given Midwest, the Edo enclave a regional autonomy and federalism.

mekuzi09:
I wonder the kind of mindset Nigerians exhibit. When do a call for referendum translate to violence? It goes to speak a lot on the development level of these negro-sapiens inhabiting this part of the planet.

Brother, I tire.

By preventing Ijaw secession, Ojukwu also forestalled the prospect of secession of all southern minorities who would obviously have taken a clue from a peaceful Ijaw secession to pull themselves out too. After all everyone except Igbos were already fed up with "One-Nigeria". Of all the Southern minority tribes the Ijaws were the most represented in the army. So they naturally were the boldest to declare a republic for other southern minorities to follow suit in case Ojukwu and Ironsi did not stop them. That is how my tribe and others come into the Ojukwu versus Ijaw war.


Still forcefully trying to attach to the Ijaws, when you are yet to sort out the Gelegele issue with them.

I am sure that even you know that what you wrote above is meaningless.
As it wasn't the Ijaw political class or Military class that declared their region independent, it was the lower class that Adaka Boro represented.

Again your strong desire to drag Ijaws into Edoids and Yoruboids matter is at best funny and reeks of desperation.

From the beginning Enahoro was pro-peaceful and bloodless seccesion and anti-bloody secession. Ojukwu's approach was a matter of bloodshed so he rejected it as a matter of principles. Enahoro placed lives of innocent civilians over political expediency while Ojukwu placed political expediency over innocent lives. Go figure.
What did Ojukwu achieve for his people too after the war? If Ndigbo are shining in "One-Nigeria", then why are they complaining of marginalization everyday now? Zik deceived Ndigbo by initially supporting Biafra but later abandoned them for the side of "One-Nigeria" after "One-Nigeria" had killed over 3 million Igbos. GEJ adopted Azikiwe's name and with that lost an election. The Zik of Africa and "One Nigeria" died as Owele of Onitsha. Even Ojukwu your hero and Zik's brother refused to attend Zik's burial but attended that of Awolowo - Zik's arch enemy.

How so? When Enahoro was one of the major proponents of Starvation of Bia***ns, unless of course you meant the lives of his fellow Edos.

Ojukwu sent his massacred people back to the North after the first massacre, and yet again they were massacred, Ojukwu negotiated peaceful resolution of the conflict in Aburi which the Akenzua and co destroyed. How exactly that translated to Ojukwu sacrificing the life of his people for political expediency is beyond my understanding.

Ojukwu achieved for us dignity, the Igbo man will forever be grateful to him for that.

We are crying of marginalization, even though we receive from Nigeria 1 million Times what Edo can ever receive, because we know we can achieve so much more as an independent nation.

GEJ won 2011 election with Azikiwe. I wonder why he never chose to answer Enahoro? Could it be because he knew that both Enahoro and his people are completely irrelevant in the Nigerian political sphere?
Again, Edo voting massively for Buhari against an Ijaw man in GEJ goes further to buttress my point of Edo not being in tandem politically or culturally with Edos.

Zik died a celebrated man. Nnamdi Azikwe airport Abuja is not in Onitsha, it's in Abuja, 500 naira is not used only in Onitsha, it's used all over Nigeria, Edo has nobody in their entire history that could ever tie the shoe strings of Zik.

Enahoro on the other hand is a non entity, not known outside Edo state, even his people had to beg the FG to give him state burial to no avail.

They are just being sensible and realistic. Edoids and Yorubas are not necessarily trying to hold Igbos back in Nigeria as a punitive measure for their prevention of the upholding of the secession clause. No! They are only not interested in using violence to seek secession from "One-Nigeria". Igbos obviously want blood, but all other tribes don't. Not even all Igbos are into this call for bloody secession. Some sensible ones are, like Edoids and Yorubas, asking for a restructured constitution that will allow peaceful secession. Does that make such Igbos "One-Nigeria" appologists?

There exists not one single pro secession violent Igbo group, both IPOB and MASSOB are all unarmed groups, so pray tell how Ndiigbo are leading a violent secession? We want blood because we say that we no longer want to share a nation with alien Edos, Yorubas and Northerners? Is that your definition of violence?

A demand for referendum is a demand for violence?

As we can also see, Edo never changed from her subjugation, suppression and forceful annexation of small weaker groups.

She was just rendered too powerless and insignificant by the amalgamation of these previously smaller groups to form mega groups.

Bini primitive subjugation instincts still manifests when given opportunity to.

[b] 6) In Edo state, Igbanke is only tolerated, not respected, seen, but not accepted. Today, in Edo state, plans are underway by the state Ministry of Education to introduce the teaching of Bini language in Primary and Secondary schools across Edo south senatorial district including Igbanke. Unfortunately, our indigenous language, Ika is not in any way considered qualified and appropriate to be taught in schools in Igbanke. To us, its another deliberate attempt to send our linguistic identity into extinction.
7) Our people have also suffered several inexplicable discriminations when it comes to political appointments. During the 2013 Edo state local government elections, one of our sons, Mr. Peter Ikem was refused to contest the chairmanship position in Orhionmwon local government area. Reason? His surname, “Ikem” was an Igbo, not Bini name.

PRAYERS/ RELIEFS SOUGHT
Sir, based on the foregoing, we therefore, solemnly ask for the folling:
1) A local government be created that would comprise all Ika speaking communities scattered in Orhionmwon, Uhunmwode and Igueben LGAs of Edo state. Some of the Ika speaking communities in Edo stateinclude:
Orhionmwon LGA —-Igbanke, Iru, Ohezenaka, Otobaye, Ugbeka
Uhunmwode LGA —– Oghada
Igueben LGA ——- Ekpon

2) Where, for any reason, creation of a local government area that would consist all Ika speaking communities is not in the immediate possible or feasible, we therefore ask that Igbanke be severed from Edo state and merged with our kiths and kins in Ika south local government area in Delta state.
3) The people of Igbanke should be seen, recognized and accepted as Ika people residing in Edo.
4) That Igbanke people, based on our forceful membership of Edo state, reserved the natural and inalienable right to decide, at any time, either to continue our membership with the Binis in Edo state or join our Ika kiths and kins in Delta state.

CONCLUSION
Igbanke is an Ika speaking community in Orhionmwon local government, Edo state
We, the people Igbanke are gradually losing our linguistic and cultural identity as a result of our forceful membership with the Binis through conquest.
If urgent measures are not taken, our linguistic and cultural identity would sooner than later go into sudden extinction. In order to avoid the impending extermination of our race, we therefore, ask that a local government area be created that would consist of Igbanke and other Ika speaking communities in Edo state.
Alternatively, if local government creation is not feasible or possible, Igbanke, should therefore, be severed from Edo state and merged with Ika south local government area in Delta state [/b]

[b] Igbanke is an Igbo community in Edo State. They are of the Ika people family stock in Delta State, Nigeria, which also constitutes Agbor, and up to the border towns of Alifekede (Ala Ifekede) down to Umunede. Today's Igbanke village is constituted by Omoluah, Obiogba, Idumuiru, Igbontor, Idumodin, Ake, Oligie and Ottah, all of which have different histories of migration. The people have organized various movements to change the name of the town back to "Igbo Akiri", which is its true name.

The government of Igbanke is presided over by Eze, Dei (Dim), odiowere (ndi owere), Ndichie, Dikens (Dike), okhiolors (okenye ulo), and Okhialis (okenye ala). Each of these heads has his jurisdiction. The jurisdiction could be stratified into three: The family level, the clan or hamlets and the villages. At the family level, the okhilor (he is usually the oldest man in the family) presides. At the village quarters, the okhilor is the head, while the eze rules over the entire village. Igbanke is chiefly a patrilineal society and as such its women are seen as performing passive roles. The language spoken in Igbanke is the Ika dialect of Igbo.

1)Most Igbanke indigenes who have Ika ancestral names like, “Emeka”, “Maduka”, “Chukwuka’’, “Chinyere”, “Amaka and “Ogorchukwu etc are often confronted with all forms of harrowing experiences when there are needs to visit our council headquarters, Abudu to process one official documents or the other. We are often denied the issuance of documents like, ‘’Certificate of Local Government of origin’’, Protest Letter’’, To Whom it May Concern’’ etc on the guise that we are Igbos not Binis.
2) Those who have the likes of the Ika aforementioned names, but can speak Bini language are rarely subjected to the above embarrassments and discriminations. This act goes a long way to vindicate our fear that there is a subtle, but carefully planned agenda to make us lose and abandon our ancestral linguistic and cultural heritage.
3) In order to escape from these unnecessary embarrassments, some have no other option left than to change their identity from Ika to Bini names.
4) Today, we, the good people of Igbanke are gradually losing our once envied linguistic and cultural identity.
5) Some of the eminent sons and daughters of Igbanke, whom out of their outstanding contributions to the development of the community, were recognized and given chieftaincy titles had had such titles changed from their original Ika origin to Bini equivalence. For example, few years ago, one of our sons who addressed himself as “Chief Orike-Eze” in Oba of Benin palace was shamefully harassed, insulted and forcefully forced, right in the palace to change the title to its Bini version. According to the palace, the title, “Orike-Eze” had its origin from Ika and Igbo nations.
5) Most times, when we have cause to attend meetings with the Binis in our local government area or senatorial district, deliberations are often conducted in Bini in language without considering the fact that the people of Igbanke in such meeting neither speak nor understand the language. Often than not, when we attend such meetings, we left the venue more confused than we were before we went. [/b]

Let me remind you that a far larger percentage of Ijaws are, just like, Edoids not seeking violent secession at all but true federalism which we initially had but later botched by Igbos. MEND, Dokubo, Boylaf, Ateke Tom, Tompolo, Henry Okha, etc have never asked for secession despite their violence. And mind you that in 1966 Ijaws sought secession not from Nigeria per say but from the Eastern Region due to Igbo oppression. NDA on the other hand is yet an experiment which looks more politically motivated by GEJ's loss than anything else. Even GEJ himself never believes in secession. So your claim that Ijaws are asking for secession is highly flawed. Even igboids of the SS like Wike, Okowa, etc have openly dissociated themselves from violent seccession, and that does not make them appologists of "One-Nigeria".

Again stop forcefully attaching to the Ijaws. Leave Ijaws out of this discussion. Edos and Ijaws are different people in all aspects of life. Ijaws aspirations have never been in tandem with those of Edoids.

Liar, Adaka Boro declared the Ijaw region an independent nation, not an independent region.

Adaka wanted independence for Ijaws. Again there are no documented evidence of Igbo marginalization of Ijaws in the Eastern region, though I would rather discuss that issue with an Ijaw/Ijoid, not with an Edo. So enough of this forceful attachment to Ijaws and dragging them into this discussion, you still have scores to settle with them at Gelegele.

NDA is only politically motivated by GEJ in the mind sets of Edos and their Yoruba co travellers, which is another reason why you stop dragging Ijaws into this discussion.

NDA receives Ijaws. Grassroots support.

Yes! Even SE governors have separated themselves from violent secession, but Good a thing neither MASSOB nor IPOB are armed violent groups, they simply demand referendum, same way Ojukwu demanded restructuring in Aburi.

Only Edoids Yorubas and their co travellers in the North United by Islam take such demands as violence.

Ekweremmadu is not asking for secession, so Ndiigbo are not asking for secession, that's how flawed your GEJ analogy is.

" In pre-amalgamation times no tribe in Africa dared Edoids. But in an amalgamated Nigeria Edoids had become averse to violence and conquest, and had become used to modern and civilised ways of life and thus never used or believed in violence again and consistently do not still believe in it till today owing much to the fact that compared with both Igbos and Ijaws they were disproportionately too few in army before and after independence and even up till now 2016. So how could a people who knew they didn't have the military back up take an option which required full scale violence? It does not make sense"


Lol! Bini empire was a mushroom empire that thrived on Blood and subjugation of smaller weaker groups around them, but most Western Igbo clans more than gave the Binis a run for their money, there is a reason the Bini moats were built facing East, go figure!

No, Binis were reduced to minority group in Nigeria, the moment most smaller groups that they lorded it over unted and formed Larger ethnic groups like 20 times the population of Bini. Without population to match the bigger groups, Edo became naturally irrelevant in larger scheme of things. It was never intentional on the part of Edos to become irrelevant, forces beyond your control made it so.


Where some groups are too naive to join bigger groups to neutralize Edo, the Binis still exerted their pre colonial subjugation, as can be seen with the case of Igbanke that stupidly, chose to stand alone rather than join the rest of Western Igbolan during the creation of Delta state for the fear of Agbor dominance.

Edo didn't need military back up to ensure weaker centre that Ojukwu campaigned for in Aburi, all they needed was support it, or simply let it be, instead of going extra mile to work against it like Enahoro and Akenzua did.
Edo was disproportionately few in the military in that era and even now because Edo simply does not have the population, they are minority among minorities.

If it is sensible to use violence when you don't have the military back up, then why are Nmamdi Kanu and Uwazurike now using purely civil means now that the number of Igbos have been badly reduced in the Nigerian army to the same number as Edoids in it? It is natural. And that is why Edoids have been, in their usual belief in civil and constitutional ways, asking for a sovereign national conference which will either re-make or peacefully break Nigeria so that everyone goes solo without genocide. Edoids, unlike, Igbos can't afford to lose 3 million lives trying to correct the blunder Igbos made. That will be too expensive to bear.

It wasn't Ojukwu who brought violence. Ojukwu negotiated true Federalism in Aburi, agreements, that would have seen the total restructuring of Nigeria, Yet it was Edoids like your treacherous Oba Akenzua, that stated categorically that a weakened centre will lead to the destruction of Nigeria, and went on to persuade Gowon to renege on Aburi agreement. Xtrose had provided the article on that here, so I won't repeat it, I will just drop the link: https://www.nairaland.com/3143222/biafra-memo-oba-akenzua-aburi

By persuading Gowon from accepting peaceful ways of resolving the Post July coup conflicts, Edoids like Akenzua and Enahoro nudged Gowon towards invading Bia***, forcing us to defend our homeland.

How then can Edoids claim to be neutral to the war, when Akenzua was at Gowon's bosom telling him to reject Aburi Agreement and Enahoro was at Gowon's side whispering songs of starvation policy to his ears, Ejoor was also part of Gowon crew.

Edoids have never been civil people, your reign of terror all over Western Igboland before you were emasculated and rendered useless by the British is still in history books, you reminded the Western Igbos of this when you went about pointing them out to be massacred in Bini and even joined in the massacre.

You are just currently too insignificant in the larger scheme of things, to exert any influence. YourBlood thirst is far from being quenched.

The Ijaws were brought in by me as an example to puncture your claim that the presence of Britain scared Zik and other Igbos into working against secession at the initial stages. I then had to cite the case of Ojukwu preventing Ijaw secession even after Britain had long left to prove that Igbos hatred for secession at the initial stage had nothing to do with the presence/absence or approval/disapproval of Britain but had all to do with the fact that they were in power together with Hausa-Fulanis and benefiting mostly from "One-Nigeria" and therefore did not want the status quo tampered with. When they lost power at the centre they forgot that British "disapproval and might" was still hovering around thus began to ask for secession.

No Ijaws has nothing to do with our discussion, stop attaching to them by force. Our discussion is about Ndiigbo, Edoids, Yorubas and Zik, stick to topic.

Ijaws NDR by Boro was strictly for Ijaw people, it has nothing to do with Edoids or other ethnicities in present SS.

I'd ignore the rest of your posts there as rambling of a deluded being.

You are over-exaggerating the influence of Western world powers. When Ethiopia was united against colonization were the colonialists able to colonize them against their own will? When Eritrea decided to later pull out of Ethiopia could any foreign power hold them back in Ethiopia?

This was how you brought the issue of Eritrea- Ethiopia into discussion, even though it was obvious you know nothing that part of history.

Ethiopia were only successful in resisting colonialism because the Italians were defeated in the second world war, and were never going to be supported by their Caucasian brothers in their bid to have Ethiopia to themselves.
Not because Ethiopia were stronger than the rest of African people that were colonized. Even Ethiopia needed the British help at a point to maintain their independence from Italy.

Ethiopia also lost Eritrea, because Ethiopia was not a colonial entity of any European power, so she never got unfair support from the Caucasian powers against Eritrea like Nigeria got against Biafra, because Nigeria was a British colonial entity. Instead the colonial powers backed up Eritrea by supporting that a referendum be conducted, which ultimately led the Eritrea voting for secession.

Remember that Ojukwu also requested for a similar referendum in Bia***, but was turned down, because Nigeria was a colonial entity, so no Caucasian power backed Ojukwu call.

If Nigeria was not a colonial entity and the British didn't interfere, Bia***, will exist like Eritrea do exist today.

@ Deadlytruth

Your posts are always too verbose, but I will try as much as possible to reply only the relevant parts of them. Try as much as possible to summarize your points and bullet them out in subsequent replies, it will make for easier discussion.

owobokiri:
The way our brothers from the sophisticated clan rejoiced over the purported arrest should worry every igboman. This man is probably the best Nigerian army chief in modern era.A very quiet fellow who fought boko haram to a standstill at sambisaa, displaying unparalleled professionalism in the process. Boko haram only started making noise after his departure. He was a professional per excellence. In fact until now, the major charge against him was that he handled Boko haram brutally. .... Then the news of his arrest swept the blogosphere yesterday and closet tribalists were all over themselves hailing his arrest! Tinubu loyalists froating in the mouth, why? Because he is a 5 percenter who had the temerity to lead the army! It is INSANE the level of hate that is exported from the Lagos-Ibadam axis! Godsavetheigboman

Do not cry for Ihejirika. He considers himself a Nigerian. Let him be judged by his hateful fellow Nigerians in SW and North.

This arrest is nothing other than diversion by Buhari and his handlers, to deflect people's mind from the real issues, which the incompetence of this current regime is unable to fix.

In other thought. Ihejirika represents the prime of "One Nigerian" Igbo apologist, whose love and affinity for one Nigeria is not built around patriotism, but on selfish gains they believe they can extract and enjoy in Nigeria.

The less of such powerful one Nigeria apologists we have in Igboland, the better for us commoners.

Yeah!

Ihejirika's arrest will finally restore power supply to the homes of millions of Nigerians currently under Black out during rainy season, a season Nigerians are used to surge in power supply hours all over the federation in the past.

It will also provide job to thousands of unemployed Nigerian youths

It will Bring back the petrol pump price, back to 97 naira again, so that Nigerian can afford to fuel their generators, since many can't presently afford to do such with petrol selling at 135 naira.

This Arrest will bring back the price of rice to 12K from the current 20K.

It will restore back the exchange value of Naira against the Dollar to 1naira per dollar.

This arrest is the solution to current Nigerian problems, I can assure you that.

Wise Nwafor. Good decision.

Zico5:
Do u think u are better that anyone? Capital no. Even common Hausa are much better than u. Can u people survive without living ur region? How many yoruba or Hausa do u see in ur region. The richest man in Nigeria is not from ur region, likewise the second. So how do u better. The only area where u are better is drug pushing and other related offence.

Dangote is a product of Northern political elites influence, he is no business man, just a monopolist with the federal might at his disposal, he is a local champion.
Ibeto was and remain a better business man, only the Northern government subjected him to his current state.


But in the international Arena, where the likes of Iwobi, Nwakali, and Iheanacho plays and where the Kanu, Okocha, Amuneke of this world played, the Northern political might is absent, hence no Northerner can ever reach their heights.

Yes Igbos are the best. Sayin it is not boasting or chest beating, it's simply a statement of fact, just as saying that the Earth is a planet.

druboon404:
So he didn't mention Ipob/South east...
I have said it time without number..Niger delta/south south if fr different from ipob/South east..they earlier you get that into your thick skull,the better for you guys.

So he didn't mention Saro Wiwa,?Ogoni or MOSOP? I said it, NDA, Niger Delta/ SS is different from Ogoni/ MOSOP..., the earlier you get that into your thick skull, the better for you guys.


Can you from my above translation, see how silly your post sounds?