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This sea port is now like second Niger bridge.
Every Government now use it to make empty promises and wet people's appetite for nothing.
Good idea if the Government is serious about it this time around.

christistruth01:
The Igbo Books Bishop Ajayi Crowther wrote are evidence

He wrote nothing. He couldn't speak Igbo.

Grinch41:
You have no point.Just rest abeg.

You and your fellow Igbos keep repeating the same lie hoping it will become the truth.

You post accounts that appears to favour your narrative, deliberately leaving out others where Ijos were fingered as indigenes of Bonny.
Go and read these books since you no get work but Bonny matter.

Barbot on Guinea : the writings of Jean Barbot on West Africa 1678-1712

DUTCH TRADE ON THE NIGERIAN COAST DURING THE SEVENTEENTH CENTURY
A. F. C. Ryder

So you opened this account newly to prove what exactly?
Post the relevant part of the book you cited let's dissect the contents.

Anonymous15:
I knew you'd avoid the question.
but I'll ask again, if Dr koeller, crowther and pepple are wrong,

why is it that the language spoken in Bonny is the same language spoken at calabari today, just as crowther and pepple said?
CAN WE NOW SAY CALABARI LANGUAGE IS NDOKI LANGUAGE
goat answer the question.

The language spoken at Bonny today is Ndoki language.
What exactly is your point.

Anonymous15:
you want to be blind, stupid or daft which?
I said igbinni and you're respelling it.
now I know you don't know anything.
koeller talked about how the igbos were not born there but are slaves gotten from the hinterlands.
and you want koeller to mention to you that bonnys are ijohs when you see the language which also Talley's with ajayi crowther.
e be like say you no read understand very well.
ok, where did the white man wrote that Igbo sprung from Aguleri?
so you're waiting for a foreigner to tell you so abi?
ode.
I am not of the ijo clan itself, and I and every other people here still tell you we sprung from ijo; bro you should be worried.
I am a Nembe man. we all trace our ORIGIN to ijo,
same as the igbos trace there's to Aguleri even though a white man didn't write that to you you dunce.
that same "MOTHER TONGUE" is what is spoken in Calabari but you're still arguing blindly like a bull pig.
I am sure you haven't been to Bonny.
so igbos who you claim hate the waters but chose lands for farming will now migrate to swampy place the same you claimed they hated mosquitoes and the sickness in the swamp.
nigga your lies smell through nairaland and my phone.
even Bahia a town in Brazil where Yoruba slaves were mostly shipped to by the Portuguese and today there's a large black population there, they speak Yoruba, they do IFA divination and rituals but never has the yorubas grabbed Bahia from the people; imagined if it were Igbos, your clowns will cook stories on how they built ships and migrated there before the Brazilians themselves.
I am still waiting for you to explain to me how you beat the Aborigines to an island who have that same island at their backyard, no be juju be that?
explain to me your lieng dunce.
it is clear,
[b]koeller saying the igbos who were there were SLAVES and were brought from the hinterlands, and they adopted the Bonny dialect.
crowther and pepple said Bonny is CHIEFLY PEOPLED by IBO SLAVES though they speak the Bonny dialect WHICH IS ALSO THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN IN NEW CALABAR (CALABARI)
if Bonny is ndoki language, can we now say the language spoken in Calabari is NDOKI[b]

if you don't answer that question up there, don't bother replying me.

Imagine long heap of bullshit with no single sense to be served from it.

Anonymous15:
take a look at this clown.
there are several tribes on the path to Bonny but you want to shove lies in our throats that igbos left Igbo land, went through those tribes and people to inhabit Bonny.
you see how foolish y'all sound? it's like saying ijoh's went through Igbo land and got to igala before the igbos.
my own backyard, my very own backyard you lie to say you got there before me. foolery.
everyone knows the affinity the ijoh man has with water.
the igbos are never water people but you want to lie to us you're an Oru. what a fuckery. do you worship water deities?

I am having problem uploading excerpt from Dr koeller who was a medical doctor at Bonny, but I will type it here.
"the Bonny language is THE MOTHER TONGUE of only a section of the Bonny people; for OTHERS it is only an adopted language, for a large part of the coastal people especially bonny CONSISTS OF SLAVES WHO ARE PURCHASED OR SEIZED by other tribes, sometimes from a great distance. MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT BORN IN BONNY ARE EITHER SLAVES FROM IGBO LAND or were ATLEAST BROUGHT HERE by igbos FROM THE INTERIOR. There too is where most of the Bonny canoes go to purchase provisions for the coastal dwellers... THEY CALL IBO LAND IGBINNI. it lies at the source of the delta and is full of great forests and mighty trees. it is very rich in natural products such as yam, maize, rice, palm oil.... The igbos were a rapacious people and the Bonny people usually say 'ibo man Wawa too much' which translates to IBO man is very wicked"


that above is from Dr koeller.

crowther and pepple also said Bonny is CHIEFLY PEOPLED by IBO SLAVES. Bonny dialect is the main spoken language by the Bonny people, and the Igbo slaves also speak the Bonny language which is also the language of new calabar"

that also tallies with koellers statement which also said bonny language is the mother tongue but for others (IGBO) it is AN ADOPTED LANGUAGE.

my statements has never contradicted itself unlike you clowns.
one of you said igbos avoided the waters because of the mosquito etc when someone made a thread about igbos and their phobia for water, but you same clowns say igbos are marine people in Bonny, no be mumu be that??
we know the truth.

infact I can bet my balls you and the other clowns haven't been to Bonny before, but pulled up a stupid map that shows Igbo Territory, but Bonny is far of and landlocked by another Ethnic group. you all are foolish liars.
it's like skipping Togo and then claiming Ghana when Togo is between you and Ghana. mega lies.
continue in your stupidity, that is how one who haven't been to Nembe claimed Nembe spoke Igbo. fool.
go to Bonny and find out yourself instead of hiding behind a faceless forum from your dungeons in Alaba.

Where in the write up did Koller say that Bonny was peopled by Ijaws?
Just show me one place he said so?

All you have done is bit around the bush.

Your Koller noted also that Bonny people called Igbos "Igbinni"(Igbanni?)

What do you think about this

There is no lie in our argument.
We have presented all receipts, and you have none but to beat around the bush.

Yes! The slaves in Bonny were mainly Igbos, but they were not of Ndoki origin, they were of Isu origin.
The Igbo spoken in Bonny is not Isu, it's Ndoki. Because Bonny always had Indigenous Igbo speaking people of Ndoki extraction who had taken a distinct ethnicity of just "Bonny".

Vintagepipes:
The Ibo and Ibibio-speaking peoples of south-eastern Nigeria
by Forde, Cyril Daryll, 1902-
Published 1950

Good one.
Thanks.
See another quote on Igbo democratic principles:


"True democrats, no one was better than themselves but yet they were somehow better than anyone else. This self-assurance was sometimes a little frightening. The Ibo men and women are so continually in the right and so busy proving that everyone else is in the wrong. They want to learn from us but only such things as may be materially productive as soon as possible. They tolerate us because they need us. They do not look upon us resentfully as conquerors but complacently as stepping-stones. What will happen when they can, or think they can mount it alone and no further use of the stepping-stones, no one can tell."
.
AFRICAN WOMEN: A Study of the Ibo of Nigeria, Sylvia Leith-Ross, page 357, published 1939
I made a thread on it.
Unfortunately it didn't attract much audience:https://www.nairaland.com/6478681/igbo-true-democrats-africa

Vintagepipes:
The Ibo and Ibibio-speaking peoples of south-eastern Nigeria
by Forde, Cyril Daryll, 1902-
Published 1950

Thanks.

Vintagepipes:
Joined the party late. You are correct. Let me add my 2 pence. Did anyone archive the other Bonny thread one of you created as well? I dug a lil into some of the history books dropped there as well.

Good one.
Nwanne which book is this?

SlayerForever:
See our cultural heritage been stolen by other tribes. I didn't even know the ego-igwe I hear all the time in my village is manilla


How can we correct this great misinformation?

We correct it by creating awareness and talking about it like we are currently doing, until it becomes common knowledge.

Igboid:
"The first, called Igbo Isaiah, was uncovered in 1938 by Isaiah Anozie, a local villager, who found the bronze works while digging beside his home. Five bronze artifacts from the original excavation are now in the British Museum's collection. They include a small staff, a head of a ram, a large manilla, an intricately designed crescent-shaped vessel and a small pendant in the shape of a local chief's head with scarification (ichi) marks on the face."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo-Ukwu#Archaeological_significance

All over Igboland, we used Manilla before colonial era.
We call it Okpogho, after the town that produces it, or simply "Ego Igwe", meaning metallic money.

Crazybeard:
Oga drop receipts, references and all.We don't do conjectures here.

"The first, called Igbo Isaiah, was uncovered in 1938 by Isaiah Anozie, a local villager, who found the bronze works while digging beside his home. Five bronze artifacts from the original excavation are now in the British Museum's collection. They include a small staff, a head of a ram, a large manilla, an intricately designed crescent-shaped vessel and a small pendant in the shape of a local chief's head with scarification (ichi) marks on the face."

Crazybeard:
These are conjectures until you drop excerpts from direct Portuguese expenditionists.You know how we do.It's the norm now.

Portuguese met Manilla at Calabar!

Calabar call it Okpogho!
Okpogho is a town in Enugu State.
Okpogho is AA blacksmiths town that minted Okpogho!

Okpogho Manilla were found in Igbo Ukwu excavation that is dated 9th and 10th AD.
The Nri identified all the objects found there including Okpogho.

Connect the dots.

BKayy:
So you Yorubas owe your history to returned slaves from Brazil who learnt a little of Portuguese and native Indians ways.
This speaks volumes of our difference in civilisation. But so that you know, Ndigbo have already started civilising Yorubas before slavery started.

Igboid:
GOD BLESS OKPOGHO PEOPLE IN EZEAGU LGA OF ENUGU STATE - THE RED GOLD OF AFRICA!!!!!!

Okpogho an ancient city of Igbo land, is an iron- smelting community in Ezeagu Lga that gave West Africa the first metallic currency known as Okpogho Manila.

The innovation of this ancient metallic currency-ego igwe/ona was attributed to a great wawa man from the present Ezeagu Igbudu LGA. The name Okpogho which is the Efik fishermen's term for money or brass was given to this wawa iron maker; when people noticed that those precious bangles which he fashioned for his daughter Mgbolie could be used as a means of exchange of goods and services.

The early Portuguese explorers of the 1470s observed that copper bangles "okpogho Manila" were the principle money all along the West Africa coast.

The people of Okpogho will dig iron out of the ground and melt copper out of the stones to make a okpogho bangle. Through this process, the first metallic currency was introduced.

Thus, the ancient monetization of the precolonial Ezeagu economy by Okpogho people brought international trade to Ezeagu area earlier than the 15th century.

Since Okpogho Manila became the means of exchange, marketing activities took place among Ezeagu communities themselves and went to far countries like Mali, Cameroon, Burundi and Congo where Okpogho Manila had sphere of influence. In its inception, these bangle or Okpogho were predominantly made from copper as copper was referred to as " THE RED GOLD OF AFRICA ".

The name Manila is derived from Spanish for a bracelet manella, the Portuguese for hand-ring or after the Latin Manu's(hand) or from monilia, plural of monile(necklace).

God bless HRH Igwe Apostle Chimereze Linus Pius!

God bless Chief Christian Chris Okpoko Isiakwu 1 of Okpogho!

God bless ESD all over the world!

Meet Okpogho town in Ezeagu LGA, the minters of Manilla money used all over Igboland and beyond in precolonial and colonial era.

Like the Awka they were blacksmiths, but unlike the Awka, Okpogho blacksmiths never left Okpogho.
They were contented with sitting out home and minting the Manilla currency.

Below is Okpogho currency logo aka Manilla in 100 Naira.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okpogho

I think I should open a thread with this

GOD BLESS OKPOGHO PEOPLE IN EZEAGU LGA OF ENUGU STATE - THE RED GOLD OF AFRICA!!!!!!

Okpogho an ancient city of Igbo land, is an iron- smelting community in Ezeagu Lga that gave West Africa the first metallic currency known as Okpogho Manila.

The innovation of this ancient metallic currency-ego igwe/ona was attributed to a great wawa man from the present Ezeagu Igbudu LGA. The name Okpogho which is the Efik fishermen's term for money or brass was given to this wawa iron maker; when people noticed that those precious bangles which he fashioned for his daughter Mgbolie could be used as a means of exchange of goods and services.

The early Portuguese explorers of the 1470s observed that copper bangles "okpogho Manila" were the principle money all along the West Africa coast.

The people of Okpogho will dig iron out of the ground and melt copper out of the stones to make a okpogho bangle. Through this process, the first metallic currency was introduced.

Thus, the ancient monetization of the precolonial Ezeagu economy by Okpogho people brought international trade to Ezeagu area earlier than the 15th century.

Since Okpogho Manila became the means of exchange, marketing activities took place among Ezeagu communities themselves and went to far countries like Mali, Cameroon, Burundi and Congo where Okpogho Manila had sphere of influence. In its inception, these bangle or Okpogho were predominantly made from copper as copper was referred to as " THE RED GOLD OF AFRICA ".

The name Manila is derived from Spanish for a bracelet manella, the Portuguese for hand-ring or after the Latin Manu's(hand) or from monilia, plural of monile(necklace).

God bless HRH Igwe Apostle Chimereze Linus Pius!

God bless Chief Christian Chris Okpoko Isiakwu 1 of Okpogho!

God bless ESD all over the world!

SlayerForever:
I think the Ada and Eben every Oba uses as symbol of authority was made by Oka smiths.

Haha!
I suspect this .
But we need to bring evidence.
Strong irrefutable ones.
The type we brought to that Bonny thread.

We are a Great race, but we have kept quiet for too long, so much that everyone around us have started taking our greatness for granted. Our ancestors achieved alot that we are not being given credit for today.

We have to start telling our stories ourselves.

For example, do you know that the money called "Manilla" used in the slave trade era as money, was invented by the Igbo.

Yet if you go to Wikipedia page, you see that they listed Calabar as the origin of Manilla.

This is because the colonials first saw Manilla at Calabar slave ports being used by Aros and Efiks for exchange of slaves .
And in error, they accredited Calabar with the money.
Even When Efiks are not known as blacksmiths, they have no iron ore minning sites in Efik land, so how could they have invented Manilla.

Moreover even in Efik, Manilla is called Okpoho.
Guess what? Okpoho is the name of Igbo blacksmith town in modern day Ezeagu LGA Enugu State where Manilla was traditionally minted and circulated all over Igboland and beyond.
Okpoho people were like the CBN of Ancient Igboland, minting Okpoho aka "Ego-Igwe".
Manilla is so Ancient to Igboland that it was even found among the materials buried in Igbo ukwu.

We have alot of misinformation about Ndiigbo to correct.

[quote author=bomb24 post=108191176][/quote]I mean access to the full content of the book.

Christistruth00:
The funniest thing was that the Yoruba Blacksmiths were making very good gun barrels

The Yoruba ex Slaves from Brazil taught them a lot of things

Oka blacksmiths eventually cracked gun barrel hurdle, but it was too little too late.

Any evidence to prove that Yoruba blacksmiths could Indigenously make gun barrels in precolonial/colonial era.
I mean before 1914?

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3335053

I don't have access to this material.
Anyone with access to it should open it, less see what is in it.

Apparently we not only brought superior metallurgy to Yorubas, we brought to Edos as well.
No surprises. You have to get to Edo before you get to Yoruba, if you are coming from Igboland.
And we have Idumoka village in Igueben town in Esan.
This village was founded by Oka blacksmiths and they were responsible for making the Eben and Ada of royal houses in Edo world.

BKkay, Ekerealto, Slayerforever, Eastlink,

I'm salivating at the content of this book.
Please anyone with access should help us.

The Oka blacksmiths couldn't crack how to make barrel of guns fast enough.
That was the Achilles hill that made the whites defeat us.
Oka blacksmiths were so skilled, they could replicate any metallic ware/technology they set their eyes on.
They could make all parts of a gun, but the barrel.

Good one OP.
I opened a thread on this some time ago.
I was hoping it could get to front page.
But it didn't.
If it were the reverse, it would be in front page.

https://www.nairaland.com/6765286/early-igbo-sojourners-eastern-yorubaland
Let's hope it gets to front page this time around, but I'm not holding my breath, soon they would shift it to either culture or tribalism session.
Anything that portrays Igbo race in spotlight is not something that pleases those who run this forum.

Anonymous15:
You don't have talk

This document by pepple and crowther ended this debate a long time ago.
Dr koeller burried it.

Even your baikie in perhaps the only research he put effort in showed the counting system, and you're bringing the captain of a ship who's only duty post is the Atlantic ocean.

Come, abulo, I have supported my already true notion with pepple, crowther, koeller (a German) baikie (an English)
That is 4 people.
Bring four people who worked in Bonny and not some slave vessel transporter.

I only quoted Kolle because your Ijaw brother above was trying to insinuate that Kolle account supports Ijaw claim on Bonny.
I had to quote Kolle to thrash that insinuation.
Blame him, not me.
I played by the rules he set.

peleson1:
You are not from Opobo....
Tell me ur burusu?

I'm from Opobo, because I can speak Igbo.
Once I enter Opobo town, me and my UBANI brothers there will be speaking our Igbo language, dancing to Ekwe, Ogene and Igba. Shaking our heads to melodious Oja! We would be screaming Ubani "Nma nma nu!

While miscreants from Bayelsa will be in our rural creek screaming Aswana! Aaa Izon! and other nonsense chants.

Meanwhile, Bayelsa man, did you drink Ogogoro when you posted the below?

peleson1:
I am from Opobo...we are ibani ijaw people..
You people are irritating me already with this land grabbing...
Just stop this nonsense ..
You people are causing enemies for yourselves
We are ijaws.our heritage is ijaw

I'm from Opobo too.
I'm the leader of Uwa Wu nke onye cultural group.
We are OPOBO people, we are not Ijaws, Ijaws are pirates terrorizing our Waters. Our brothers are the Ndoki Igbos.

You Ijaws are creating unnecessary enemies for yourselves. Stay in your Bayelsa state, don't bring your wahala to us in Rivers State.

SlayerForever:
You are desperate. All the major cultural events lined up in Bonny and Opobo this Christmas are all Igbo festivals. Every cultural masquerade group is getting ready for their Nwaotam and boat regatta display. This year there's going to be Abam headhunters display like is seen in Ohafia. They are putting things in place to impress their Igbo brothers that will be flooding both islands. But here you are showing us this thing nobody will see this December. Even this people in the video will come and watch Ugele Mkpa this December. Nwanne ndo oooo.

Notice their rural environment.

Those are the few Ijoid villages I speak of.
They are there with their boring Ijaw music and dance.
No real OPOBO and Bonny man will drop the sweet vibrant Ndoki Igbo musical instruments and sounds for that boring thrash he posted.

https://www.facebook.com/UwaWuNkoye/

Enjoy Uwa Wu nke onye cultural music group of OPOBO and Bonny main towns.

Tell me why they would leave the beautiful Igbo music with melodious "Oja", vibrating "Igba" and "Ekwe", and brain melting "Ogene", and go and be doing that boring Finima Ijaw dance you showed there?
Nah charm?

These are the minority Finima people nah, living outside main town.

9Pluto:
Okay, I have gone through parts of it. It is actually a translation someone made in English in 1978.
It also suggests Bonny referred to igbo as igbanni (so it gets confusing maybe due to translations). We have seen other articles say igbos refer to Bonny as Ubani/Obani

What still marvels me however is that there hasn't been a single article linking Bonny with Ijaw in all of this.

Yes, that part where he said that Bonny Indigenes refered to Igbos as "Igbanni" got me confused as well.

DitariDisciple2:
Mkpuru mmri u don take am again shey?
I have other things to do with my time. Than exchange words with lunatics like u.

Don't say you were not warned.
Your crave for Bonny and Opobo will not come without consequences once you lose.
There will full pound of flesh extracted.

We will not just take Bonny and Opobo back and stop, we will have to exact punishment and revenge by taking what is yours since you craved for ours.

DitariDisciple2:
How can we stay away from Ijaw people.

Your mumu never do.
Even Ndoki comes with Ijaw Republic.
The new Central dialect being worked on, in preparation for Ijaw Republic will settle all.

Okay, be prepared to be contained in Bayelsa.
Because once we push you back from Bonny and Opobo, we will not stop there until you are well and truly locked in your ancestral land between Bayelsa and Delta from where you came from to terrorize our shores.

If you are going to shoot for Bonny and Opobo. Just Know that you are putting your presence in the entire Rivers State on the line.
Because once we chase you off Bonnyland and Opobo, we will not stop there. As retaliation and punishment, we will chase you off the entire Rivers State and cage you in the Four local government area in Bayelsa and in Delta State.

If you are coming for Opobo and Bonny,make sure you don't miss.