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forgiveness:It shows why many of you are scared of having a Yoruba independent country where you have to deal with only yourselves. You have a history of not being able to peacefully resolve your differences when left to deal with just yourselves. The Kiriji war was precolonial. Post independence once the minorities left the Western region and Yorubas had no one else to unite against. You all tore each other and your region went up in flames, operation wetie and wild wild west were real events in Yoruba history, a hard reminder of your difficulties in dealing with each other. You seem to do better when you have other groups you can transfer your negative energy on and unite around. Like Nigeria offers you with Igbos and other groups where you have to forget your internal problems and quickly unite around your shared Igbophobia. . In Oduduwa republic you will not have Igbos but yourselves.Your elites and elders know of your old demons and would rather avoid dealing with them by keeping Nigeria united so that they can always have external enemies to unite you lots around and not have you on each others throat. |
forgiveness:The History of Kiriji and how Yoruba leaders begged the British to colonize them to end the war is not a secret. ![]() |
forgiveness:Independence is all about believing in your ability to make it on your own. The belief that you have all it takes to make overcome your individual challenges. Yoruba land , her leaders and commoners seem to lack this conviction. And this thread is all about exposing why it is so. |
Sufferingboy:What bitterness? Your Ika is simply inconsequential and insignificant in the grand scheme of things for Ndiigbo. You are simply irrelevant and expendable. Deal with it. |
forgiveness:That Yoruba land was drained economically and psychologically after Kiriji became protracted without any end in sight and with no clear winner and had to invite the British to colonize Yoruba land just to end the war is an open secret. |
forgiveness:You should be providing your sources to your fellow Yorubas who don't seem so convinced of your ability to make it independent of Nigeria. You have a big persuasion job to do on them. As an Igbo I know Yoruba nation is very viable. I'm just sick and tired of your crab in the barrel mentality and wish to see you all embrace Oduduwa republic idea, so that Ndiigbo can have enough opportunity to have a second crack at leaving Nigeria for good. |
forgiveness:Peace treaty after the war became inconclusive and warring parties were out of resources both human and materials to continue? Anyway I'm not the one you should be convincing about your ability to co exist without wars with each other. It's your elites who don't seem to believe so. |
forgiveness:I doubt your elites believe in the above and honestly most of your commoners don't either, which is why you are holding tight to Nigeria. ![]() |
forgiveness:What does that have to do with the post? |
PROUDIGBO:And pay good price for it too. ![]() |
The Igbo self assurance is really frightening. ![]() cc:Alexbells You should like this quote |
The Igbo self-assurance frightened the British . "True democrats, no one was better than themselves but yet they were somehow better than anyone else. This self-assurance was sometimes a little frightening. The Ibo men and women are so continually in the right and so busy proving that everyone else is in the wrong. They want to learn from us but only such things as may be materially productive as soon as possible. They tolerate us because they need us. They do not look upon us resentfully as conquerors but complacently as stepping-stones. What will happen when they can, or think they can mount it alone and no further use of the stepping-stones, no one can tell." . AFRICAN WOMEN: A Study of the Ibo of Nigeria, Sylvia Leith-Ross, page 357, published 1939 |
Have you asked yourself where is the industrial base that we will use for take off?Another nonsense question. Yorubas have the biggest industrial clusters in Nigeria. Along Lagos-Ibadan and Agbara in Ogun. Almost all biscuits I ate as a kid growing up in South Eastern Nigeria had Lagos or Ibadan address as manufacturing address. Yoruba has enough industrial base to build a successful country. Enough of this scaremongering tactics. Independent Oduduwa republic will have Ondo crude oil to power its industries and if not enough would negotiate with Ijaw republic or Igbo republic for a gas pipeline deal. Isn't Russia supplying many parts of Europe with gas? |
kayusely70:The OP is forcing you to for once use your brain and ask relevant questions. |
5.. In the Oduduwa Republic, which traditional ruler will be supreme?This is a stupid question. It's supposed to be Oduduwa republic not kingdom. The commoners should be thinking of how to phase off those useless monarchies who contribute nothing to government coffers but feed fat on allowances off the state funds , living in luxury, marrying useless wives, driving exotic cars , training their children abroad and giving them dual citizenship while commoners live in squalor. This should be the agenda in Oduduwa republic, not the useless question of which useless monarchy should reign supreme. Something is inherently wrong with the black man. Imagine the kind of question a supposedly educated man was asking. ![]() The right question should be: What does the office of Ooni of Ife , Alaffin of Oyo and other redundant monarchies add to Oduduwa republic government coffers? On what basis should unproductive monarchies and their families be feeding fat and swimming in luxury while the rest of the populace suffer under the sun to make a living? This was the questions that drove the French revolution and this is how modern Yoruba commoners should be thinking. The good thing about Nigeria disintegration is that it would force new countries that would be formed to go back home and ask relevant questions, do home cleaning exercise, eliminate wastages in governance and learn to efficiently manage meagre resources to better the life of many and not to fund the luxury of few as currently is the norm in Nigeria. |
So I ask – are the Yorubas of today prepared for a second civil war with Nigeria?What ever Lagos have can be replicated by Ijaws in their coastal cities, Akwa Cross nation in Calabar,Ibaka or Ibeno. Ndiigbo will do same at Obuaku. Lagos is only strategic to the North. No one down south will be fighting for Lagos with Yorubas. All you see online with Igbo taunting Yorubas about Lagos being a No Man's land are all cruise. So stop getting ahead of yourselves. You will have Lagos to yourselves, only that it will no longer be the main gateway to a country of 200million. It will be a gateway to an Oduduwa republic of maybe 40m and would shrink in size to reflect that reality. It's IGR will drop ,alongside population and investments. The volume of traffic in its ports and airports will drop as new nations down south move in to build up their own ports and countries. Real estate value in Lagos Will also drop. And Lagos port will have to hustle for Northern import traffic with new modernized ports down south. The North will actually be the new beautiful bride as all man down south will be hustling to have them use their own ports so as to improve port revenue. ![]() |
The Yorubas made the largest required investment which made Nigeria possible. If you read the history of nationalism, of Nigerian nationalist struggles and agitations against colonial rule, you will know that the Yorubas made more contributions than any other tribe or group to make Nigeria possible.You don't mean it. ![]() There goes down the drain, the Yoruba secession clause propaganda that claimed that Zik forced Nigeria down Yoruba throats. The truth is like coins, it falls off the pocket one by one. ![]() |
gwafaeziokwu:Good points. |
notym2chektym:Hmm ![]() |
notym2chektym:I'm not the author of the OP. The article was written by a Yoruba man. I provided the link to the original article already. https://facesinternationalmagazine.org.ng/?p=181053 See it above. |
Samunique:I'm not the author. The author is a Yoruba man. And for your information, I totally disagree with the writer as I believe that Yoruba nation has everything it takes to be a first world country if it becomes an independent country. It has the human and natural resources that can't be outmatched by any other black group to pull it off. However, the writer up exposes the mindset of average Yoruba man. Many of them are scared of the uncertainties and challenges Oduduwa republic might pose, so they prefer the comfort and certainty the mediocrity in Nigeria offers while they hate with venom any group that dare try to suggest secession from Nigeria. Like a typical crab in a barrel syndrome. Many Yoruba feathers are ruffled at the sound of Biafra/Igbo secession. I always found it interesting as I think they even have more advantage of making it post Nigeria more than Ndiigbo but unlike Ndiigbo, they seem to lack the belief in themselves, and that is very vital in nation building- The belief and can do spirit . |
GuyWise101:Yoruba elites like all Nigerian elites are scared of Nigeria disintegration. Nigeria is their cash cow. Its easier for them to steal Nigeria funds meant for their people and use it to send their kids abroad than it would be for them to do same in an Oduduwa republic, Biafra, Ijaw republic or AkwaCross republic. Since Nigeria is a soul less colonial entity that belongs to no one. Look how much Nigerian senators earn in a country where up to 75% of the populace live below poverty line. Such anomaly will not happen in Biafra, Oduduwa republic, Ijaw republic, etc. The people would simply revolt and the stealing politicians would not be able to use ethnicity to divide and conquer the masses |
wink2015:Not only Edo North. Even places in Edo South like Usen suffer from severe water shortage problems. Most of the wells are dry and the people use dirty water for daily activities. |
Kema Chikwe son. People whose family stole and used our Commonwealth to set up their children on the part of prosperity while the rest of us are left with a dead country. We are not yet serious in this country, that's why people in government will continue to loot the public fund to set up their children who we will all praise tomorrow and clap for. Ife na-eme. |
My own take on this: 1. The Yoruba elites preaching one Nigeria and using scaremongering tactics to dissuade the Yoruba commoners from pursuing Oduduwa republic are not different from Igbo elites and indeed elites from other parts of Nigeria doing same. They are not looking out for the interest of the commoners, they are only interested in the preservation of Nigeria, their cash cow. 2. Nigeria as currently constituted only serves the interest of the elites from all parts of Nigeria and they would all say and do everything to preserve Nigeria so that they and their family, cronies and well wishers can continue schooling in North America and USA , jet all over the world for medical tourism, hustle for dual citizenship of first world countries for their families, while they preach one Nigeria to the commoners. 3. Ndiigbo( commoners) will not constitute itself a hindrance to any group seeking secession from Nigeria. If Igbo elites want to do so, then they would have to constitute such army by enrolling themselves and their wards into such senseless army. ![]() 4. Yorubas and indeed other groups can't hide behind Nigeria forever to avoid taking care of their local problems outside Nigeria. Many people in Nigeria simply want one Nigeria to continue because they are scared their own group would not be able to make progress outside Nigeria as an entity, so they constitute themselves a hinderance to those who though know they would face challenges outside Nigeria but have enough belief in themselves and their ability to solve such problems and emerge a better nation than Nigeria can ever dream off. This is a typical crab in a barrel syndrome. Like the typical case of misery loving company. I learnt many middlebeltans fought against Biafra because they were afraid of being trapped in a country with their Muslim brothers without Igbo overwhelming population to balance things out. That's a pathetic way to live your life. Playing the ostrich rather than tackling your problem head on. Obviously, dragging Igbos into Nigeria has not stopped Middlebelt from having to face their Muslim brothers. They only succeeded in having Ndiigbo as a company in their own misery. |
The writer exposed things we have always known. 1. The Yoruba elites are scared of Oduduwa republic because they are scared that they might descend back into the dark ages of inter clan Kiriji wars should they have to deal with only each other again and not with Ndiigbo and rest of Nigeria. 2. Like many other pro one Nigeria groups out there, the Yoruba elites are clinging unto Nigeria so as to avoid having to solve their own internal problems when Nigeria dissolves. Nigeria has become an excuse for many to hide and tolerate mediocrity at all levels. 3. The Yoruba elites are easy to resort to Igbophobia to unite their people around any cause. Awolowo and Akintola did same and the author is doing same. To make Yoruba commoners jettison any thought of Oduduwa republic, the writer conjured up the lie of the possibility of Igbos ganging up with the North to exact our own pound of flesh against Yorubas should they attempt to secede as a pay back to Yoruba role in 1967-70 events ![]() This is typical scaremongering tactics built on Igbophobia as no such thing would happen. Ndiigbo are so invested to seceding from Nigeria that holding other groups from secession is out of the question. 4. The author claims that Yorubas should stay in Nigeria because they wouldn't be able to resolve their difference in Oduduwa republic, which is a valid point if you look at Yoruba Kiriji war days. But what the writer tried to gloss over is the fact that it would be easier for Yoruba clans to find a common ground to live with each other peacefully than for them to do so with Ndiigbo, and this is for obvious reason which the writer already pointed out, albeit in tainted manner in his article. 5. The writer acknowledged the Yorubas played a big role in imposing Nigeria with the failure called Buhari and seem to believe the Ijaws would hold a grudge against the Yorubas for their role in demonizing and then sacking GEJ from Aso rock. Now as an Igbo, I know the writer is only trying scaremongering tactics, but I find the submission interesting ![]() |
CONCLUSION In view of all I have said here I think the time is not right for a secession. We should promote and canvass another special sovereign national conference where we can have a return to regionalism or even a confederate arrangement that’s mutually agreed. We did not have a civil war in 1993 yet we brought down the military without firing a shot. That is power. We don’t need a revolution of fighting, that is what brought us here. What we need is a revolution of perception, to quote David Icke. Fighting changes nothing. You become what you fight. Gandhi brought down the British empire in India without firing a shot. That is what we need. The problem of Nigeria is that we have never really had a government worth its name. We have no leaders but mascaras, jesters and clowns. Most of what we blame on Nigeria are actually troubles caused by mis-leadership. But hatred should not be the reason to exit a nation. You cannot found a nation on hatred, frustration, mutual antagonism. That is why the Oduduwa Republic promoters should watch it. Nations are built on ideals, on visions, on values, on ethos, on truths; not on hate, or mutual antagonism or misgivings. That is what caused APC’s problem. They came together to float a party, not on any ideology but on their hatred of PDP and Jonathan. And now that Jonathan and PDP are no more in sight, they have nothing else to strive for but to deploy the same hatred to one other. They are totally bereft of what to do with Nigeria. Look at Ogun State , Edo State, Ondo etc., they are fighting each other. Those who sow the wind must, of a necessity, reap the whirlwind. https://facesinternationalmagazine.org.ng/?p=181053 |
2.Are Yorubas prepared, at this time, to face all the regions at the same time? Do we have the wherewithal to prosecute a war? The Hausas will fight you because they have said and boasted long ago that Yorubas are the next tribe they want to deal with. I heard this in 2010, in Zaria, during my research. You will now play into their hands. The Ibos will fight you because of the old poison sown into them (over the civil war) that the Yorubas betrayed them, which, although not true, but is nevertheless widely believed as true by most Igbo youths to this day – and this is what matters. Many Igbos will fight you because you foisted Buhari, whom they rejected and who has been, to be honest to the fact, an unmitigated disaster, upon them. The Ijaws will not support you for removing Jonathan from power… The Fulanis will fight you for opposing their Fulani Republic on the back of Nigerian wealth. The Middle belt may not fight, but they won’t support you for creating misery for them through Buhari..and so on. I don’t know how you will win this battle. I don’t see how you can win all these with things as they are. No, I am not a defeatist, I am just a realist. Division among the Yorubas. Even when there is unity, success in battle is not assured, how much less when there is division? Are Yorubas united at this time? I doubt it. There are Yourba- Islamists who are even opposed to the Amotekun initiative and don’t see anything wrong with Buhari, a fellow Muslim. To them, everything Buhari does is okay, like our rubber-stamp Senate. Islamists among Yorubas will oppose and can even be the fifth columns in a war. There are still politicians who are benefiting from Nigeria who have made investment towards 2023 and want to see their ambitions realised. And they have their cronies, tools, aides, who control the press, the traditional power of the southwest. These people will not be keen on any Oduduwa Republic. They can subvert it. So with all these how can you win a war with Nigeria? People who have never seen a war are usually happy and excited about war, but war must be avoided at all costs. Unless it becomes inevitable. As a Christian, I am not a pacifist, I am a just-war theorist, in the mold of Augustine and Martin Luther. I will fight if it comes to that, but not for an Oduduwa Republic that is now being promoted in view of all I have raised here. No one is driving the Yoruba’s from Nigeria, so why leave? All the evils that’s been enumerated above, the Yorubas too, have a hand in them and if Oduduwa Republic is created today they will still manifest those problems. So why the hassle? You only know when a war begins, no one knows when it would end. Think of the Sudan Civil War. I warn the youths and elites promoting this venture to tread softly. It is better not to fight than to fight and win. War is evil. Only in cases when it is just- war as conceptualized by Cicero, Augustine etc. A just war is any war that’s fought to stop aggression or remove the cause of evil. My next article will be on this. |
5.. In the Oduduwa Republic, which traditional ruler will be supreme? Will Alaafin accept the supremacy of Ooni or vice versa? Or will the disputes continue? Ethnicity and Hegemony among the Yorubas is another serious issue. In the Republic how do we handle the ethnicity and hegemony of the Yorubas. Perhaps you may not know, I tell you today that there is deep, serious ethnicism amongst Yorubas. We all speak so loudly about Hausa-Fulani domination and oligarchy that we have forgotten that there is the Egba- Ijebu hegemony over Yoruba affairs. We used to hammer the Kaduna Mafia, but we forget the Ikenne Mafia. Consider this – during the 2014 National Conference, 6 slots were allocated to the Yoruba group, Afenifere. They promptly shared the slots among themselves. Not a single slot was given to anyone to represent the Yorubas in Kogi and Kwara. But when they want to negotiate for power, they remember they have their brethren in Kogi and in Kwara and that Yoruba land extends to Jebba and Lokoja. But when it comes to representation they forget them. As the Americans say, “taxation without representation is tyranny “. These are the same men, the same schemes, who are now promoting Oduduwa Republic. Please think very well, my people in Kogi and Kwara states, so that you don’t change one slave master for another. What about ethnicism among Yorubas? It exists. Ijebu ethnicism, that sees everyone as strangers except themselves, even in the church! Some Yorubas have told me, “Can we also call you Yoruba, those of you from Kwara?” Not once or twice. As a lecturer from Yoruba, I know the frustrations and struggles given to me by fellow Yorubas. I have never heard of a Fulani man doubting the legitimacy of another Fulani because he’s from a different place. Neither does the Igbos or Hausa or Ijaws. Only among the ones who call themselves the children of Oduduwa. That is why I wait to see how that Republic will work even while these contradictions amongst the Yorubas remain as they are. I wait. THE REALITY OF WAR I now come to my last issue and conclusion. Here I am talking of reality. What does this agitation sum to in real life? Getting an Oduduwa Republic means war. If you don’t know, know it now. There cannot be an Oduduwa Republic unless there is secession of the Yoruba from Nigeria; and secession essentially means war, unless two conditions subsist, namely: Where the other stakeholders in a nation state agree to go their way, as happened in defunct USSR, or Where the secessionist group (in this case, the Yorubas) is the largest and the strongest within the existing union and can therefore bully the others. The two scenarios above is not likely to happen,so the implications is war. I hope the promoters know this? So I ask – are the Yorubas of today prepared for a second civil war with Nigeria? Mind you, Yorubas will be fighting not just the Fulanis or Hausas, but the whole of Nigeria. Why? Because Lagos is too strategic to Nigeria, too important to it’s economy and its prosperity. Whoever controls Lagos will not be allowed to leave Nigeria except at the cost of war . |
Ibadan or Southwest Nig did not have that problem now or in the 1950’s when that structure was built. But these are the list of firsts these Yorubas are touting that they want to recreate the Awo miracle. This would be a fatal mistake, because none of their proposed leaders is an Awoist or even remotely in the mold of anything resembling the shadow of Awolowo or an Aluko for that matter. And times have changed! Again, I present the following for consideration. I ask a very pointed question: Would the Yorubas live together, even if they succeed in separating? A foolish question you would say. But not so foolish or insolent. The differences between the Yorubas are there and the cleavages are there. Because we are currently still within Nigeria, often time we don’t see these differences, but they are there. In the Oduduwa Republic those differences will come to the fore and become magnified. How then do we address them? The Aladura Scholar, Prof J.D.Y Peel, noted during his research in Yoruba land in the 1960s, that the differences between the Yoruba sub-tribes, the Ekitis, Ijebus, Egbas, Oyo’s etc are as wide as those between the tribes of Nigeria. In other words, the Ekitis are as different from the Ijebus as the Hausas are to the Ibos. If you have not observed this, you are not very observant. The white man was right. Because we are together in Nigeria we don’t see this, but now in the Oduduwa Republic they will cone magnified. How will the Yoruba Republic handle them, because they will not go away. Will the Ijebus accept the rulership of the Egbas? Will Oyos allow the Ijebus to lord it over them and continue with their exploitation given their bitter history? Will the Ijeshas forget their ancient animosity to the Oyos and what they suffered in their hands or revive them? Can the stubborn Ekitis allow the equally stubborn Ijeshas to Lord it over them? Because a wound is covered does not mean it has been healed. If the Oduduwa Republic becomes a reality you will all see the truth of what I am saying. All the major wars that have been fought in Yorubaland have been fought amongst the Yorubas themselves. Not against outsiders. Osun, the Yoruba god does not destroy strangers, it destroys her own children. Soon you will see what I am saying. We often speak of the Old Western Region as if it was perfect. There were injustices based on ethnicity but which we should not reopen for peace sake. All the projects done by the Action Group govt, how many of them were sited in the Ondo- Ekiti- Ijesha axis? Yet the cocoa plantations and wealth that made the West came substantially from there. How many cocoa plantations exist in Ijebu- Egbas axis, yet all the projects were situated or concentrated there. How just is that? Read Profem Ayandele’s breakdown and judge for yourselves. So if there were these imbalances even in those days of yore, how are we so sure that Oduduwa Republic will not be a miniature Nigeria, with more problems but with less resilience to handle them? The Itshekiris and Delta regions of Warri actually voted to leave the West and have their own region. If they were fairly treated, why did they chose to leave? The old Ondo and Ekiti equally agitated to have their own state from the West because they saw that they were being exploited by the Ijebus and Egbas in the West. Will all these agitations suddenly melt away once we have our Oduduwa Republic? We have forgotten that exploitation is in the very nature of men, whether white or black. There is exploitation amongst Yoruba’s too. Someone is collecting 15% of the entire revenue of a state in the Southwest now. We all know this and nothing is done about it, yet we are complaining about Nigeria being a failed state. How are you sure Oduduwa Republic will not be a greater failure? In which other part of Nigeria does this happen? How many states in the southwest pay the minimum wage, even whilst most states in the North does? Who is the exploiter of the people, their own people, now? How many states in the North pay scandalous pensions to their former governors like is done in the southwest? Which state started this racket? These are the same people and their children and cronies that will rule the proposed Oduduwa Republic. Sadly it will not be the leading minds and top brains in Yorubaland but the dregs and the gang of usurpers that have profited from years of unrestrained looting of the public till. Have you asked yourself where is the industrial base that we will use for take off? Virtually all the viable banks, industries and conglomerates in the Lagos- Ibadan-Abeokuta axis today are owned by other tribes in Nigeria, certainly not by the Yorubas. Have they thought of this? Rome did not collapse in one day, it was gradual. Yorubas are yet to see that they are in big mess, far bigger than they inherited or envisaged, not because of Nigeria, but because of themselves. |
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. In Oduduwa republic you will not have Igbos but yourselves.


ey thought of this?