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thebosstrevor1:
There was no democracy in old igbo land.

There were different unorganised igbo clans scattered in many places. That is why monarchy system couldn't take place.

Every organised civilization had a monarchy, even the Egyptians had a monarchy, the greek had one etc.

In the igbo culture, The head of the house or the clan was the sole ruler( dictator)

No election was ever organised in old igbo land even till today, no election is held when selecting a clan leader, it is mostly by senority.

Unorganized? You are not okay at all.

The Igbo practiced the most complex of democracy that the British couldn't even make sense of it.

Monarchy is a barbaric system of government built on savagery, pillaging and invasion. It belongs to dark age of human development.
Its nothing to be proud of.

The Igbo abhorred and rejected monarchy because we could never make sense of the very idea of one lazy man and his family not going to farm like his mates but fully dependent on the farm produce of others in the name of tribute and entitlement. The Igbo mind could and would never accept such an anomaly and the civilized world couldn't either which is why monarchy died.

You know nothing about Igbo culture but you want to blab about. There was no ruler in Igbo democracy. The Okpara ukwu holds the Ofo of the clan, but he doesn't dictate for anyone. He is more like a Senate president and his Ofo is like the mace. His job is to stamp into law with his Ofo decisions agreed upon after deliberation by the whole clan.

Yes! There was no elections. Representation is mainly by age (Okpara) and by achievement(Nze na Ozo and other title holders). But there are a times when elections are held. For example, if a clan wants to send an emissary to deliver a message to another clan, such topic is usually discussed in the village square with selection of who to be sent taken by Democratic voting process after nomination of worthy representatives .

What is it about empire building to be proud about?

You are proud that your barbaric ancestors went about invading and pillaging neighbouring African tribes?
Killing their young men and taking their women for sex slaves?
What is there to be proud of useless empires that never evolved any civilization and were battered in matter of days by the British empire?

Igbos never had empires, we are not empire builders,we are a people who cherish freedom and never tried to enslave others. We were Republican and Democratic in nature.
The world has realized that monarchy is outdated and are shifting to democracy, yet Ndiigbo had practiced democracy since ancient days. We were ahead of time by a long mile. The Igbo so hated monarchy that we gave our children names like "Ezebuilo" meaning "The king is an enemy". The Igbo has always been against the idea of one man dictating for everyone else, which is what empire is all about.

Despite this, the Igbo mounted the most resistance against the colonists than all the mushroom empires in Southern and Northern Nigeria.

4+4 na aga ofuma. Ura ga-eju ndi nwuru awu afo.

Fejoku:
I see it from another perspective. I agree with you to the degree of damage an average Ikwerre suffering Igbophobia can do but if asked what he stands to gain from such you'll be surprised that he'll have no answer which is quite different from what a fulani will do if asked a similar question. That's to tell you that the hatred is borne out of unsubstantiated stories and as such can be deconstructed. Contrary to your expectation, we're not oblivious of such I'll feelings from those quarters and we are not unprepared to return worst treatment for every action against our people from any quarter. We simply will not make it priority in the face of the catastrophy at present in Nigeria. Every wise man has a plan B. Wike has shown his hand and will answer for it. Other Ikwerres will learn from him. Everybody in Nigeria knows his crime against Ndigbo so there's no room for any false story tomorrow.
You're dreaming if you think the fulanis are only after subjugation. Like I said earlier, you clearly don't see the bigger picture.

I think it is safe to say that we have reached an impasse. At this point, we can only agree to disagree.

Fulani are not Igbo enemies. Nope! Their agenda is not targeted towards Ndiigbo . It is targeted towards everyone else.
Our REAL enemies are down south and they are minorities. These lots have agendas targeted specifically towards us,and would exploit our continued antagonism towards Fulanis to achieve their agenda. We need to restrategize.
Between the Fulanis and minorities, the Fulanis are lesser evil.

But like I said, I can only be a voice in the wilderness crying. But in time, every Igbo will come to see what the likes of Ekwueme saw.
I just hope the damage to us will not be irreversible by then.

#Udo.

Sufferingboy:
Ameach,wike,okowa,ifeanyi emefiele,jonathan(with fake igbo name:azikiwe�) will buy the identity and re-identify as igbos when election done near may be from next year they will start buying igbo leaders.If them even contract me,here in nsukka I can help them do the work in student community.

It will not work.

I have remained anti Amaechi and Ikwerre and would remain anti Okowa and Ika.

I know you lots more than you know yourselves. If you like bring out money and share, boys will chop your money and clean mouth, but you will be reminded that you are not Igbo.
You might deceive few gullible IPOB people, but that's where it ends.

Fejoku:
MAD like you used here is apt with proven enemies and not circumstantial denials. Issues of the 60s will not be used to judge today especially when theirs hope for remedy. For us, MAD in Nigeria only exist among Ndigbo and fulani (Including their staunch allies). The minorities around us despite their dislike/loathsomeness or (hate: not my choice word) don't have the MAD situation between us because there's room for improvement. You can't have such mindset all around you when you don't have control over your own territory. That's suicidal. Israel could only be in such relationship with her neighbours because he controlled her own territory and even at that, she was wise to know the boundaries of her claims at every given period. In the 1967 Arab/Israeli war, the Israelis after beating back the Arabs and capturing other new areas still strategically left the total capture of Jerusalem that's why that mosque still stands in that place. It was a strategic decision because they wouldn't be able to defend Jerusalem as at the time. But today, you can see how through Trump they've been able to colonize Jerusalem and to gradually restore her as a capital. Strategy and tact matters a lot. Most of these Ignorant groups are just blind to the reality of Nigeria. The day it will dawn on them, they will weep for their foolishness.

You don't really understand the mindset of these minorities. That's why you don't see them as enemies they are. You saw how Wike without any inhibition happily committed genocide in Obiigbo. You think that action came as impulse?

If you Belong to these minorities groups like I do. You wouldn't be surprised by Wike actions, and as you noticed, there was no condemnation of Wike actions by any Ikwerre body because he represents their default Igbophobic sentiments.
These lots, if they have nuke access, they will nuke Igboland without batting an eyelid, I'm not lying to you. They are not mere denials, they are real Enemies with raw hate towards us. If you don't consider them real threat to our existence after Wike gave us a tip of the iceberg, then I don't know what to tell you.
By the way, did you see Amaechi Rotimi, IPOB new Ikwerre sweet heart condemn Wike actions? He maintained golden silence which is assent.

The Hausa Fulani do not harbour any existential threat to us. They just want to politically subjugate us and they harbour same feeling towards everyone else. They really don't hate us.

But you see these minorities? Hmm! Egwu dikwa o!
Some of you don't understand the full severity of what we are up against. I have been a member of these minorities groups for 10years plus so I have had enough time studying them. I have added someone of them as friends and chatted them up to have better understanding of their intents and to monitor them closely. I doubt you know one bit of things I know about these minorities.

See the first strategy in winning a war is identifying your Enemies, and after extensive research, I have no doubt the correct tag to put on these minorities.

Sufferingboy:
Nobody hate you,why is igbos the only tribe always complaining about hate? You guy voted jonathan and you guys were rewarded with juicy positions,what did pius anyim develooment in igbo land?I am schooling here in Nsukka.I know the hometown of gburugburu "Oba" what did he do for them?Go to owa-alero and see what okowa did at his hometown.Igbos should look inward too,your leaders are worst.If okowa want to contest as president all he have to do is to know the price of southeast politicians and elders especially ohanaeze crooks and settle them all.If you have money you can easily buy the igbo identity to play politics.

When your lying father had to fabricate lies against Ndiigbo and pass down to you to fuel your Igbo hate, yes! The hate is real.

Why should a governor concentrate development in his hometown, was he elected governor of his hometown or of the entire state? You are not okay. Delta has produced the worst governors in Nigeria. Delta is a major oil producing state yet nothing to show for it. Ibori looted the state dry and thereafter installed his stooges (Uduaghan and Okowa) who has continued the looting. Look how developed Akwa Ibom is today with same crude oil money your useless leaders had embezzled.

If Igbo identity is easy to buy, tell Okowa to come and try his luck.
Amaechi Rotimi has been trying for years now only to be met with ridicule and bashing. You are ignorant if you think Ohaneze control Ndiigbo.

GEJ experiment is a big mistake that will ever repeat itself again.

Sufferingboy:
You are insulting my late father because of your bitterness? You are useless,na come put rop my my neck and take me to biafla lepublic.Igbos lack respect.
Owa king only said his royal family not the entire owa people pherhaps I said my father was alive,but I never mentioned that he said that.But when you go to owa-oyibu you will understand what biafra soldiers did to our people,when you get there you apologise to our people.
This lack of respect and insult is one of the problem of igbos.Okowa will claim igbo to get their vote but in reality his ancestors came from benin.We know how e dey be.

Biafran soldiers never did any such thing in Ika. Your father is a useless liar and he will not make heaven for not only fabricating lies against Ndiigbo but passing it down to you. He committed mortal sin of calumny and character assassination against an ethnic of over 20m, he is a terrible human being.

How many times will I tell you, no reasonable Igbo man wants Ika in Biafra. Only irrational IPOB harbour such folly. I belong to at least 10 Ika forums, I know you lots inside out. You lots cannot be part of Biafra if we intend to make Biafra a reasonable country.

The Owa royal family are Nri descendants and happily welcomed Biafran troops when we arrived Midwest. Why then would Biafran troops try to kill the Obi and kill people in Owa villages, does it make sense to you?
Weapons were scarce in Biafra throughout the war, we didn't have enough bullets and guns, why should we waste our bullets on our Owa brothers as at this period in history? Does it make sense to you.

How can Okowa ancestors come from Bini when he bears Igbo name and speak a language every Igbo understand.
Looks to me like passing down lies as history is Ika thing.
Just as your lying father passed down to you the lie of Biafran soldiers trying to kill Obi Owa and killing villagers in Owa, so did your lying ancestors pass down the irrational story of Bini origin to you lots.
A Bini people that live next door to Bini but miraculously lost their Bini language for Igbo language.

Ifele megbu kwa unu. Let Okowa come contest for national election under Igbo tag nah let me see. Ndi ara.

Fejoku:
Smart answer I must say. That's exactly what the whole Rivers group desire that we from the SE do to everything that pertains them. If we do so, we shall still win in the long run that's if Nigeria survives for two more decades which I don't see her survive. Whatever be the case, those upper Rivers will still return to us in the SE if we develop our land in the interim. They will be forced to come to the SE for opportunities and how we will treat them will determine if the relationship will be mended or further messed. This is why we don't subcribe to your loathing for loathing against the Igboids in the SS.

Nnaa. In national engagement, there is no place for love. What exits is hate. Nations achieve peace and mutual respect by hate.

If you know I hate you as much as you hate me and would not hesitate to hurt you if try to hurt me, it kind of forces you to keep your hate in check and accept truce. In international Arena it is called MAD( mutually assured destruction).

Real peace and respect in international arena is not achieved by love, it is achieved by MAD which in essence is hate for hate.

Those of you preaching love towards these Igbophobic minorities are enemies of Ndiigbo and are not helping our cause.

If an Ika man knows there is a price to pay once he exhibit Igbophobia, he will try and keep his Igbophobia in check.

Sufferingboy:
My late father was a life during that war,our villages were killed by biafrans,who nor go nor know.They only way we can join biafra is when you have a proper arrangement like resource control,respect for us a small distinct people.Oshimili igbos(asaba indegens) even understand respect than their brothers across Niger.IPOB think it is by rewriting fake history,and insulting us?
You guys should learn to play politics without bitterness.Okowa whose ncestor ehiade came from benin don dey use igbo play politics because of vote,okowa want to be president but if nor reach he hand he will go back to senate,from insiders.He needs igbo vote.

You father is a blatant liar. No Biafran soldier would kill people in Ika area. In this point of history Ika was seen as Igbo.
It will not be well with your father for creating a lie and passing it down to you.
Owa king is an NRI descendant, this is well known. No way Biafra soldiers would shoot at Owa villages. No such thing happened.

Ika is not Igbo and not Biafra. No reasonable well informed Igbo would put Ika in Biafra. You lots are soaked in Igbophobia and dripping with it.

If Okowa comes out in national politics claiming Igbo. Proud Igbos like myself will disgrace him. Ika is not Igbo and your Igbophobia will be fully checked by Ikaphobia from Ndiigbo you can go and mark it somewhere. The current Igbo generation are not like our fathers who allowed Igbophobic groups get away with it. You will not. The hate will be mutual.

Sufferingboy:
Igbos should learn to discuss without insult.We are not barren,go to our land and see fertile land.We also produce enough crude oil.You are insulting me because I disagree with you?(pathetic).
We farm alot and fish too like my ancestors did.We are highly educated too.Many of our youngs are base outside nigeria bring money back home.
Since our son okowa became governor Our roads and other infastructure are now one of the best.
Benin cannot colonise us.Igbos should stop playing politics of bitterness and insult.Last time I check,An ika man can never be foolish to take his money to develop igbo land.But an igbo man will come to our land and forget his real identity and start building and investing in our land.If wahala burst we go chase them out.Check igbo land Ika man no go ever try am invest him money there.I am schooling in nsukka,I can never be stupid to put my one naira here.Instead,I can convince the igbo man to invest in my place and he will do it,without knowing he is investing in a strange land.
In the past,many of our people serve in biafra government .The biafra topmost navy officer is from owa-oyibu my town.But some overzealous biafra soldiers came to my town and we welcome them,but guest what?
They came to kill our obi,but our juju pass them.So they killed many of our villages but them no see the obi of owa kill.For that single reason we had no choice that to stop supporting the biafrans.
In the modern time we.
Wizboy(musician umunede clan)
Ifeanyi Okowa(Governor of delta state,Owa Clan)
Rtd dsp barr peter ogboi(former edo state PPRO of police,owa clan)(from my town and a close family friend)
The current commissioner of police of river state(I nor remember his name now(he is from owa-oyibu my home town in owa clan)
Ifeanyi emefiele(Agbor clan,CBN governor)
Lucky Irabor(agbor clan,chief of defense staff of nigeria)
The owner of arise tv(he is from agbor clan)
AIG david igbodo (otolokpo clan,he is AIG incharge of Police legal matter,force head quaters abuja.)
Jim Ovia(zenith bank owner,he is from Agbor clan)
My late father ASP(Senior ASP) and master tailor of one of the two police tailoring workshop in AIG zone 5 benin.(Name withheld)(May your soul rest in peace.)
And many more of our people progressing.

You lots just keep making up trash stories to support your Igbophobia. Why exactly would Biafran soldiers want to kill Obi Owa, an NRI son?

Does it make sense to you?

Owa was captured by the Nigerian army when Biafran troops were pushed out of the Midwest. To avoid what happened in Asaba, Obi Owa welcomed the Nigerian army with open hands and denounced his Igbo identity.
An act of cowardice to survive which I don't fault as life is important.

But to go on and start fabricating trash stories against Ndiigbo to support your Igbophobia is really pathetic.

Armaggedon:
Now, let me make it clear.

I have tried to understand what you want but couldn't. You are so much worried about the behavior of other Igbo groups but you are not interested in the cause and it's remedy. You're not even interested in Igbo unity and by all definitions, not an Igbo nationalist. You don't even support Biafra, and your definition of proud Igbos shrinks whenever you're tiggered.

You don't support support Biafra, you don't support pan Igboism. All you're interest in is how to hate them since they hate us.

I think your problem is more of paranoid personality disorder. Stop quoting me and see a jerk!

Ikwerre, Ukwuani and Ika are not Igbos. Irrespective of your delusions. That's the fact.
They are Igbophobic, so naturally I don't like them too. Its only normal to return loathe with loathe. That's how things work in real world.

I'm pan Igboist. I believe in Igboland which doesn't include those places I mentioned already.
I believe Biafra should be a strictly Igbo agenda, which it already is, only that IPOB live under the delusion that it isn't.

I support Biafra as far it's restricted to only Enuani, SE, Obiigbo and Egbema, with concrete effort made to keep Egbema, Obiigbo and Enuani away from identity crises and the resultant Igbophobia.

Fejoku:
You see, when you're very vast in understanding you tend to make a better choice when faced with two bad choice. GEJ remains the best choice between him and Buhari. Ask the Yorubas currently. Clearly, Ndigbo didn't gain much from GEJ but the little gains today have shifted the burden of conscience to those who dislike us. Indirectly we gained much from choosing him. See Nigeria today. Our recent history for us is filled with positives and will grant us the victory we desire in the nearest future. The petty politics of joining issues with our neighbouring groups in the Nigerian jungle is not smart from a bigger viewpoint.
The GEJ/Buhari situation is similar to the upper/ lower Rivers politics on the gubernatorial level. With the way things are, what's your advice on which Ndigbo should support?

The main actors in upper Rivers, ie Ogoni, Ogba, Ikwerre and even Ekpeye are more Igbophobic than the Ijaws, ie lower Rivers.

I belong to their Facebook pages and monitor the level of their anti Igbo sentiments.

The best is for Ndiigbo to stay off the politics of Rivers state and focus on our businesses. We shouldn't be participating in their elections. It should be a day of relaxation.
Then when the election is done, we rush and go congratulate the winners, promising them support.

Sufferingboy:
Yes,I know that.But when his ancestors came to owa,they met the real owners of the land.Mind you,owa-ofie is the oldest and earliest settlement in owa clan.But this current obi of owa ancestors use trick to steal to throne from the king of owa-ofie and brought the capital of owa to oyibu.I am am from oyibu.But we know the truth about our king.Even obi of owa nor dey deny am say his ancestors stole the throne from the ofie people.But at the end we are one.

That one nah una wahala. I naturally don't count Ikas as Igbos. I'm a member of Onu Ika Facebook page and I know how you lots are Igbophobic by default. I have also learnt to be Ikaphobic by default, its only fair.

If I have my way, Ika should not be in conversation when Biafra is mentioned. You lots belong to the Binis and should stay in same political unit with them.

However I realize that not all Ika towns are Igbophobic. Towns like Igbodo, Ekwuoma seem to be attached to Enu-ani and hence not Igbo hating.

Sufferingboy:
Igbos and their wahala .I am ika from owa-oyibu.We ikas in all our clans prefer to live alone,we are not igbos.But there are some igbos who settle in our land and we welcome them,but today they are now ika.We don't hate igbos.But just leaves us alone.We are still fighting to claim our land carved into edo by ogbemudia(one of our betrayal son,who choose to claim his mother side(benin)).
Okowa is my brother from owa-alero.He just playing politics,by claiming igbo.Even our obi of owa is now claiming igbo identity for political reasons.We know okowa family lineage and obi of owa family lineage,them just dey play politics.
The only way we can join biafra is when you respect and see us a tribe and neighbour and total resource control.
Today,we ikas are suffery what fulani and yerobas did to us(allocating oil wells in our land to their people) So kanu and his boys should stop insulting us or trying to please us.We don't have oil that will be given to togo for free.I don't hate igbos but respect others and have peace.

Obi of Owa has always maintained that his family migrated from NRI. There is a book he published about it. I would post the link when I find it.

Fejoku:
Nigeria is in her dying days and certain things need to be crystal clear to avoid unplugged loopholes. No regret for supporting Wike as at the time. At least he has shown the world his mind towards Ndigbo. Today every tribe in Nigeria now know who betrayed who between Ndigbo and Ndikwerre.
Another question is this; should Ndigbo regret voting GEJ?

Yes! Ndiigbo voting GEJ was a stupid thing and we should fully regret it.
You and I know that if the roles are reversed, those minorities will not stand with us.
I already showed 1979 and 1983 presidential elections results where Zik got least votes from all Southern minority states.

Supporting GEJ was a big mistake. If I knew what I know today then. I would have kicked against it seriously.
The likes of Ekwueme kicked against because he know the minorities well and was a participant in the 1979 and 1983. He went about Igboland preaching against Ndiigbo supporting GEJ, they were supposed to have a conference on this topic in Concorde Hotel Owerri when GEJ used Ohakim to lock up the hotel and sent soldiers who harassed Ekwueme and other Igbo elders in the venue.
Imagine an Igbo sitting president doing this to minority elders, the type of dust it would raise. But we stupidly kept quiet and Uwaechue led Ohanaeze forced Ekwueme to drop his antagonism towards GEJ.

I look back now, and I can only shudder at how useless Ohaneze Ndiigbo were. Ekwueme was the wise man.

Fejoku:
Nigeria is in her dying days and certain things need to be crystal clear to avoid unplugged loopholes. No regret for supporting Wike as at the time. At least he has shown the world his mind towards Ndigbo. Today every tribe in Nigeria now know who betrayed who between Ndigbo and Ndikwerre.
Another question is this; should Ndigbo regret voting GEJ?

You don't still get it. Wike never betrayed Ndiigbo.
He is a typical Ikwerre man and they are Igbophobic by default.
Wike remained true to his Ikwerre self. Its not his fault that some of you refused to analyze him and his people better.
You keep trusting blindly then you come back shouting betrayal. How long will this continue?

I remember when I warned Ndiigbo about Wike and Ikwerre Igbophobia in 2017 and why we shouldn't be supporting Wike or any Ikwerre man.

I made it obvious that I Belong to multiple Ikwerre forums and that the type of Igbophobia I witnessed there, I have never witnessed it anywhere else. If those people have nuke access, they will nuke Igboland without batting eyelid.

I warned against IPOB romance with Wike. I watched in AIT 2017 during Rivers state 50yrs anniversary where Wike was thanking Gowon for saving Rivers people from Igbos. I tried to warn IPOB, they all called me Afonja. Now we know what's up.

You lots can never analyze things, everything is all about raw emotions. No strategic thinking. Today many IPOB are still embracing Ikwerres and Amaechi Rotimi.

https://www.nairaland.com/4232285/wike-secondus-vs-yoruba-pdp

Well, I will remain the voice in the wilderness speaking and shouting unpopular sense!

Armaggedon:
Good question. Now, maybe you'll need to ask yourself how Pre-war Eastern region was so managed that minority excesses were curtailed. Eastern region so prospered that it was described as one of the fastest developing economies in the world. Minorities though had their aspirations, knew their boundaries and therefore were able to predict the viability of their proposed states. The region was reasonably integrated. Many Ijaws born in the era bore Igbo names like even GEJ, many of them spoke Igbo as first language or were very bilingual eg Rex Lawson and Harcourt White. Even when Adaka boro declared his ND republic, he never had support among his people. When it was halted, we saw that he knew the Ijaws boundaries through his maps, and the expansionist instincts being displayed today wasn't at play then. Why was it so then? Why were groups disciplined then and respected each other?
It's mostly because Eastern region had clear political boundaries in the form of provinces and divisions which also reflected the ethnic identities. Even the Rivers province had Port Harcourt and Ahoada divisions which were Igbo speaking divisions, and guess what? They resented joining Rivers state as well as others Igbos did. So how did they suddenly become "self-loathing reprobates" after the war ended? how did Ogoni suddenly develop the guts to demand the ogonization of the name 'Obigbo'? How did a youngman in his 20s started Ijawnisation of Porthacourt with the name changes? how was towns and city that were not minority territories annexed into minority states?

The answer is very simple. We lost the war and lost the ability to make things happen in our own terms or even negotiate from a strong position. As a result, Ijaws were emboldened and Igbos given to them to govern. They created structures to deliberately distort Igbo national integration in the state. Which is why Ogbako ikwerre was created for the purpose of advancing FG -backed Ikwerre seperatism, LGA's and Senate districts were not delineated to reflect cultural groups as obtainable in places like delta and Benue, No formal teaching of their own native language of Igbo, Ikwerre suddenly appeared in the constitution as a tribe, even Ada George sand filled PH water fronts to create a homeland to ijaw people etc Now, compare it with Delta state where their senatorial districts reflect language boundaries. you will see that the identity crisis is far less toxic. The Ukwuani and Ika will like to argue about being from Benin but most accept the Anioma tag, which basically is Igbo and fight together for anioma state. The Igbo denial is just as normal as with Igede to Idoma or Urhobo and Isoko. Now imagine if Kwale was moved to Delta central and was made capital on the condition of proclaiming an Isoko origin, Igbo denial would be more lucrative and politicians would keep the divisions alive and use ethnic identity politics to survive, just like the way your own SE governors kill and work against their people to survive in politics. Don't underestimate the power of an establishment. From their flows money, power and legitimacy.

To answer your question, When Biafra comes, regions will reflect ethnic identities, respect for each other and sanity will return.

I think I'm clear enough. If you choose to remain dense, you can suit yourself.

You wrote a verbose post without even addressing the real points I raised.

Let me highlight them for you:

1. The Igbophobic Igboids in Ikwerre, Ika, Ukwuani are beyond redemption. They are gone forever and we can't get them back. If you belong to Facebook pages of these minorities and see the type of raw undiluted Igbophobic utterances they make their, you will develop your own hate for them as I have done.
You ain't getting them into your Biafra. They wouldn't let your referendum hold in their lands. Some of you IPOB hate embracing the truth.


2. The non Igbo minorities are on aggressive expansionist drive towards Igboland. They will reject your Biafra as they are currently doing because they know your Biafra is aimed at stopping their expansionist agendas.
So how exactly do you intend putting them into your utopian multiethnic Biafra? By force?
How hard is it to understand that multiethnic Biafra will not happen because those groups have their own Igbophobic agenda? Why is it hard for you lots to understand that these groups are our number 1 immediate ENEMIES and not allies as they constitute existential threat to our ancestral lands?

3. Ukwuani, Ikwerre and Ika are gone. Ndoki is the battle ground today. What is it going to be? Will you IPOB be useful for once and drop your stupid multiethnic Biafra and help Ndiigbo push the Ijaws back or will you continue your foolishness?

afube:
your case is a lost one, if you do not like MNK or IPOB go form your own group to pursue your views. Your arguments are incongruent and unnecessarily obscurantist........absolutely illogical!!! anyway, you can go sell your gospel to your fellow armchair critics in ohaneze with una 50 years of do-nothing politics which has achieved absolutely nothing for Ndigbo Niger Delta are not just our natural allies but are also our blood relatives, we will sort our issues as they arise.

Lol at the bold. Problem with you IPOB is that you are mostly mentally retarded and are impervious to reasoning.

When and how exactly has the Igbophobic ethnic groups in Niger Delta been Igbo allies?
The hate those people harbour for Ndiigbo, the Yoruba or North has not even dreamed of it once.
I belong to up to 200 Facebook pages of these minorities and I know exactly the kind of toxic Igbo hate they harbour.

Wike and Rivers people consider Gowon hero and named structures after him.
When Zik contested for presidency in 1979 and 1983. Awolowo got more votes from the minorities areas than Zik did. This is how deep these lots Igbo hate is.
You IPOB are bereft of Brain cells and will never be allowed to represent Ndiigbo in the future if you can't even do simple task of knowing who our real enemies are.

Lol! Allies? See ignorance.
.check out the percentage of votes Zik got from minority areas: Bendel, Rivers and Cross River (South East state) in 1979 and 1983 presidential elections.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Nigerian_presidential_election

These people were consistent in refusing to vote Zik, preferring the North and Yoruba candidates, not once but twice. Zik only got votes from Northern minorities in Plateau.

You stay in your shops and start talking nonsense about non existing allies. You don't do your own independent research. All you know about your people are things MNK told you in RB. Ibibio is junior Igbo, Ubiaja in Edo state is Igbo land, and all other stupid utterances. That's all you know.

Tufiakwa! You IPOB people get on my nerves. I will continue bashing all of you and your supreme leader until you all grow a brain.

Afam4eva:
I have to say that the work some of us have put in over the years are beginning to work out. I've been a member of that same NDOKI page on facebook and the first time i went there, almost every comment i came across were denying their Igboness and regarded themselves as people who migrated from Ijawland but today you'll get eaten alive if you post any Ijaw nonsense on that page. It's obvious things are looking up.

Yes! We have done a good job pushing the IYC and INC moles there out.

But we need to do more. Those INC and IYC guys have gone beyond Facebook. They have big financial backing and they are going to Ndoki villages to hold meetings with hungry youths and autonomous community Ezes there.

We need an organized group to do same for us since IPOB had proved itself useless.

afube:
its called Geopolitics 101 oga , what is remotely important or strategic about Eastern Nigeria,? is it your Christianity? your negroid features?, your Nollywood movies? your 10 million 10ft x 10 ft shops? ( most of which are outside Igbo land), is it your dozens of 2 for 1penny state universities?............what is truly strategic about your Igbo only republic? ................ I doubt if you know the full extent of the hollowing out of the true Igbo essence and excision of oil-bearing Igbo territories! What is the worth of your political economy in your restricted and constrained 5 core Igbo states? We cannot excise Igbo territory in other geo-political zones if we restrict the agitation to Igboland as we know it today. Unless you want another south Sudan in Biafra, the only way forward is to carry the south south with us in the struggle, your proposal will marginalize and constrain Igbo interests even more. Leave sentiments and embrace facts, I have followed MNK for almost 10 years and his pathway is far more realistic than your emotional diatribes. Let me not venture into the spiritual and divine mandate of the struggle, the coming of Biafra will be a massive shock to many people.

You lots delusion is annoying. Which SS are you carrying along? Can you carry someone that wants nothing to do with you along? Someone that is aggressively expanding towards your territories?

Nawao! Ana agwo unu ibi unu ana eto afo.

Who said anything about limiting Biafra to SE? I'm saying restrict it to only Igbo speaking areas in SS and work hard to keep those Igbo speaking communities in SS away from identity crises.

Leave the non Igbos alone. They have no interest in your Biafra. Nah by force? Or you want to force them into your Biafra?

What is spiritual and divine mandate. I see MNK has found a way to brainwash you lots. You will not get Biafra by silly divine mandate. You will get it by strategic plans and implementation of such plans.

Rotimi Amaechi the cunning chameleon Ikwerre Bini man who becomes Igbo when it's convenient and reverts to Bini man when it suits him.

Ana emenu.

They always have good manifestos but in the end no implementation.

I have cousins in Nkerehi and was there when this Maduka instigated crisis in the town in the name of renaming the town.

His followers who are christian fanatics went and burnt down "okwu alusi" in Nkerehi and thereafter declared that the Name Nkerehi is cursed and of the devil. And the they decided to rename the town UMUCHUKWU.
All the traditional men in society who opposed him were all harassed and abused into submission.

I have nothing against him though. But he speak of finding local solutions to global problems. And I'm here scratching my head trying to find out how that fits into the debacle that happened in Nkerehi where Dr Maduka and his Christian fanatic followers destroyed Igbo ancestral artifacts and demonized our ancestral name NKEREHI.

Something doesn't add up. We need Igbotic governors all over Igbo land who are deep rooted in Omenani and understand the importance of pan Igboism.
Dr Maduka doesn't strike me as such. I'd rather have Iyom than Dr Maduka. But my most preferred candidate is Chris Azubuogu.

Armaggedon:
You are only good for doing " nwunye di" . If your likes are Igbo leaders then Igbos are finished. Minorities wouldn't even need to fight you. All they'll need is to send their so called delegates to more Igbo communities, stare up your emotions and you'll end up branding the Igbo communities rotten tomatoes. Efulefu nationalist!

You lack even common sense, that's why arguing with you can be exasperating. Common sense should tell anybody who is not dense that identity crisis was implanted by redrawing of political boundaries and subsequent change of focus in Identity by the new Igbophobic establishment and it can only be solve with same. If you were not foolish and truly want to liberate Igbos, then why Igbo language is not made compulsory In most of Rivers, Why History is not taught and why Rivers state govt once attempted to supplant Igbo language with Ibani in bonny and Opobo, who killed Obi wali? etc are questions that should bother you not your silly, senseless and endless rants.

So how exactly will you your senseless multiethnic Biafra address all these injustice against Ndiigbo?

So apparently. The ASA and Ndoki entered Southern Igboland from a Western Igbo(Ukwuani) direction, same as Ekpeye.

UNDERSTANDING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ASA AND NDOKI AND THEIR HISTORY AND ORIGIN

The Ukwa homeland in recent years has become a center of dispute, controversy and land grabbing between the Igbo and the Ijaw on one hand and the igbo and the Ogoni on the other.


The Asa, Ndoki and Omuma(now part of Echie) were referred to as Ndi Ukwa by their neighbors to the North the Ngwa, their lands extends into Rivers State and so has been a source of dispute between igbo and Ijaw about the identity of the Ndoki in particular.


THE ASA

The Asa were the first group to inhabit that area they currently reside,
They originated down further South towards the creeks,
the Asa were one of the authoctonous groups related to the Ekpeye(also related to the groups who were also aboriginals of Ikwerre area) and spoke a similar dialect. They were long settled along the creeks and swamps close to the coasts, they were proficient in Forestry and we're skilled farmers and lumberjacks.


The Westward expansion of the Ijaw in the late periods brought the Asa into contacts with the Okirika, they were the aboriginals to the area around Abuloma before the Okirika came. The extension of Tai and Gokana(Ogoni) migration into the region that became Eleme brought them into confrontation with Asa groups.

Ogoni reports that the authoctonous groups they encountered at Eleme were proficient and very successful yam farmers, very skilled in Forestry and had big mounds, they were organized into small farming villages headed by yam kings.

The Ogoni referred to the Asa who were their neighbors as the "Pya Saga" or the saga people,
It means "the slashers" in reference to a particular skill the Asa excelled in, they were very hardworking and good in felling trees and clearing virgin forests which abounded in the area, the ever more expanding Ogoni this enlisted the services of Asa labourers to clear more land for farming and settlement.

The Asa as this shows were proficient in Iron technology but were a peaceful and docile people, they were not warlike in nature.

The Asa earlier had settled the Virgin Forests beyond the Imo River all the way up to where Modern day Aba and Ugwunagbo lies, (The Asa are the aboriginals of Aba South and Ugwunagbo) With Okirika and Ogoni expansion the Asa were pushed up further North towards Obigbo.

Sometime in the 17th century, the Ngwa began a series of land hungry and grabbing sweep Southwards bringing them into conflict with the Asa, that's what brought the Ngwa into the Aba and Obi Ngwa area in the first place, the Asa being peaceful people some migrated but many remained with the Ngwa groups, they intermarried and mingled together especially the groups at Ugwunagbo which are still largely of Asa heritage.
The Asa despite the tragedies went back to what they did best, the Ngwa employed them to clearing forests and creating farmlands and settlements, they called them Ndi Asia osisi (tree slashers) which is how the name Asa came about.

Asa groups extends from Ugwunagbo down to Ukwa West and Obigbo,
They are divided into 3 clans, the Oza, Ipu, and asa, with a 4th clan Ohuru-na-mkporobo which is currently under Ndoki but are Asa people, (Mkporobo came from Asa-Umunka in current day Ugwunagbo)
The Asa dialect is somewhat intermediary between Ikwerre and Ngwa, e.g house is Uro, water is mini, father is teete, and the rest.

THE NDOKI

Alagoa is a historian I have respect for, his rich knowledge and talented way of penning his thoughts, he was a skilled writer, he was an Ijaw Nationalist and like many Nigerian historians he gave in sentiments and politics
He may not at first have had designs on the Ndoki, but subsequent developments necessasitated it. You see in his pan Ijaw-ism, Alagoa had released a book detailing Ijaw history and Origins in which he highly exaggerated the Ijaw element in Bonny and passed Bonny as one of the major Ijaw towns, it was not received well in the scholarly world, it was major consensus that Ibani had migrated to their current location from Ndoki and what ever Ijawness there was in Bonny was via assimilation, so how can a people who.migrated from the igbo hinterland be Ijaw, this loophole sent Alagoa back to his burrow where he edited his work and did what Ijaw historians did best, he edited and exaggerated his way through Ndoki history and turned them into Ijaws overnight,

One thing I give Alagoa credit for is that prior to his Ijaw nationalism, Ijaw clans were equally as crazed with Benin origin as many of the Western Igbo, Alagoa's movement crushed it amongst the Ijaws. You see the Ndoki's equally had a tradition tracing their origin to Benin(albeit misconstrued history) and there is a reason for this tradition you will understand why.
Alagoa in his book states that the Ndoki left from Ijaw land around the Sagbama area to make it to their current location.

But whether Benin or Sagbama there is one place where the two accounts agree on, the Ndoki left from Oguta and settlements along the Niger, all the areas meantioned such as Ndoni, Atissa, Onya, these are all traditionally Oru-Igbo areas in the past, since they came from Oru (Oguta) they went to Umunoha and from there to Isuama before making it to Imo River, they eventually settled first at Umuagbayi and then pushed up into Annang country around the Azumini River,

The reason for this Benin tradition is very obvious, they came from an area around Oguta with a long standing relationship with Benin, a lot of Benin tales and Benin influence, so they probably went with such tales, but since their trail cannot be traced beyond Oguta, it is glaring that Ndoki are an Oru(Ogbashu) people who went Eastwards from the Niger, any story of their origin from Bayelsa are concocted lies.
The Oru origin of the Ndoki is very evident in their riverine culture despite the fact that they have mixed with Asa, Ngwa, and Annang to produce the blend of culture and language they have today, but the Ndoki remained fearless seafarers, the Riverine was what made them despite living inland to venture to the open seas following the course of the Imo River, it is this sojourn that took them to Bonny Island, where they soon started settling on mass, it is not clear if they met small Ijaw fishing camps already domiciled there or if the Ijaw groups came later, but we equally cannot deny the Ijaw element in Bonny,
However it is worth noting that the Ijaw expansion into the Eastern Niger Delta is pretty recent at least 18th century.

The wading of the Ndoki into the creeks and Open Sea brought them in contact with the Ijaw houses who were expanding Eastwards, cross Cultural exchanges took place with exchange of wives, slaves, goods etc, even Ndoki land served as refuge for Ijaw fleeing their many protracted wars which is how Ijaw influences diffused into Ndoki land,
The Ndoki dominated trade up and down the Imo River(this was before the rise of Opobo) in a much similar way to how Aboh, Ossomari and Oguta ran trade on the Niger. The Ndoki dialect still bears some similarities and names with the Ogbashu at the Niger.

The Nwaotam masquerade originated from Ndoki from there travelled to Bonny and then Opobo... It is still a major part of these three communities.

Ndoki is made up of the following clans, Umuihueze, Ikwuriator, Obohia, Ikwueze, Umuokobo and ika-na-annang (remnants of Annang people from abak and ika who settled in Ndoki) and Oha Obu currently in Akwa Ibom State.

The Umuihueze group which includes the famous town of Akwete is trace their descent from one Ihu son of Eze, they common meeting place was at Obunku and their sacred juju is known as Ogu

The Ikwuriator group settled around the Azumini creeks trace their line of descent from Kwokwo Eze another son of Eze, their common juju or deity is known as Ajamaja

Obohia is descended from iloko another son of Eze.

Ikwueke did not have a common ancestor but comprises of people who came together for a common interest and security,
Their common meeting place was Eti and they had a central juju or deity known as Ariaga.

Umuokobo traces their descent to Okobo one of the original settlers at UmuAgbayi, they do not go to war on Eke day.
Ohanku was founded by Abam migrants while Ohambele had its origin in Ibeme clan.

Ibeme clan which is one of the largest clans in Obi Ngwa are an Ndoki people, they were once under Azumini courts before in colonial times but for some reason in 1945 were carved into Okpuala Ngwa district court and during the creation of Local Governments they were ceded to Ngwa, However they still maintain cultural and linguistic links with Ndoki
Ibeme is made up of four sub clans, Ibeme, Abala, Oberete-Isiala and Abala Nkamiri

Akwete as a town became famous of its textile industry and was famously patronized by most Ijaw towns in the creeks, the cloth they produce is known as akuraku and Ikaki Ibite.

afube:
Look igboid !! MNK is not the intellectual lightweight you make him out to be nor is he strategically naive.............MNK is pushing the independence of Ndigbo from the suffocating interference of a corrupt nigerian nation. The biafra he is pursuing did not drop from the sky last night,Biafra came quite close to becoming a recognised independent nation and it had borders,for context he had to start from somewhere and that somewhere includes eastern minorities.

MNK is by and large an agent of hope for the Igbo nation, he commands the respect of a greater proportion of Igbo youth and that counts for something,quit bitching about the guy,

Zik was not an intellectual lightweight when he was pushing for pan Nigerianism and refused to embrace Igboism.
MNK and IPOB don't like the idea of being just Igbo, just like Zik. They want to pretend their organization is multiethnic. Yet Ndiigbo only would be the ones to bear the consequences of the actions of IPOB just as we bore those of NCNC.

MNK has never worked for any pan Igboism agenda. He is more engrossed in sucking minorities balls.
This was how he delusionally said PH (land of Igbophobic Ikwerres) and no longer Enugu, is now the capital of his delusional multiethnic Biafra, all in attempt to please the minorities.


Limit your Biafra to Igbo land. Work to prevent identity crises being instigated by aggressive expansionist minorities in Igbo border communities. Liase with Ohaneze to achieve this.
Drop the deception of IPOB being multiethnic organization. No minority accept your IPOB and Biafra , few hungry people from those minorities joining your IPOB doesn't mean the minorities are with you. Go to Rumu village, Uyo, Yenegoa, Warrior, etc and shout Biafra and see what the locals think.
Stop the self delusion already. Embrace the Igbo in you.
The money IPOB wasted in trying to woo the likes of Asari Dokubo, Anniko Briggs, etc into your useless multiethnic Biafra that failed woefully and left Ndiigbo with eggs on our faces would have gone a long way, in establishing community projects in Obiigbo in liaison with ADF or Ohaneze, and organizing parleys with the local Ezes and grassroot youths to strengthen their pan Igbo disposition.
Instead you wasted it bribing Asari to accept he is Biafra. Ifele ana emedikwa unu?

MNK escaped from Nigerian Military and police when they invaded his home in Umuahia through Ndoki water ways I learnt. You think if this water ways passed through Igbophobic Ikwerre, Ika or Ukwuani territories that MNK would would have escaped?

Unu ga arapu uno unu na agba oku na-achu oke.

Multi ethnic Biafra gbakwa oku ebe ahu. Ndi eze onyeagwanam. Ndi eriri eri.

Armaggedon:
Pazienza aka igboid aka goatgoat23 you are at worst being hysterical and at best
giving the ijaws too much credit. And even more stupid for taking on Ipob. Everyone knows Ijaws are aggressive and expansionists, not just to Igbos. They claim coastal Akwa ibom, Rivers, fight in Delta with itshekiri and urhobo and also fight in gelegele edo and ondo.

They have always had that mindset, only that the civil war defeat of Igbos fulfilled their fantasies, encouraged and made them bolder in their expansionist quest. Gowon created Rivers state in the minorities' own terms. Any town they pointed, it joined their new state and any one they renamed, FG would rebaptize. That's how Obigbo became Oyigbo, its Ogoni name and PH towns' names became rumu from Umu. Ogonization and ijawnisation became policies after the civil war. That's the prize of loosing the war! It can only be reversed if we get Biafra!

But you don't see it that way. you believe it can be reversed by throwing banters and hysterically writing epistles. You are even hating on Igbo communities who are a victim of these post civil war policies. It sounds like you're beginning to hate ndoki too. You claim IPOB is not doing well, Who recognized and joined the Igbankes into Biafra struggle? who always denounces Oyigbo and always uphold Obigbo as the name? Who is the First major figure to reinstate Igwuocha as the name of PH? He did it while you're busy saying that Ikwerres should be excised from being Igbo, how dumb can a so called Igbo nationalist be!
who joined Igbos from Benue into Biafra struggle? who always denounces politics of Identity in Rivers state and fired up Igbo nationalism among them? That's Nnamdi KANU

He is the greatest Igbo nationalist in recorded history. You are too emotional and not mature enough to discuss such delicate issues talk more working on them. You are only good for doing "nwuye di" with Ijaws and Igbophobic Igbos of the so-called SS. Your type is dangerous for Igbo nationalism.

You will not be able to reverse the Ogonization and Ijawnization policy if you are on your feet begging them to join your Biafra.

The way you are going. You will give away many concessions to the minorities to have them in Biafra that would make it impossible for Ndiigbo to reverse those policies.

What's the point of having Ikwerre in Biafra? Can you go to any Rumu village and do your rallies?
You know what Ikwerre Youths did the last time Ohaneze Ndiigbo tried to host Igbo day in PH? They raised so much dust that the governor of Rivers and the owner of the venue the events were scheduled to hold had to tell Ohaneze to look for a new city to hold the event.

Yes! Ikwerre is like a rotten tomato you have to pick and throw away lest it cause the rest of the good tomatoes to decay. Ikwerre is not Igbo and they are more Igbophobic than Ijaws. Unlike you lots that like living in fantasy, I live in reality. Ikwerre is gone!

I have never hated Ndoki. I'm only raising alarm so that we can nip things in their bud over there.

So you lots are well aware of these minorities aggressive expansionist agendas towards Igboland, you know they know that being part of Biafra will make their expansionist drive difficult, so they vehemently reject Biafra while working secretly to annex parts of Igboland. This make these groups our existential Enemies, yet you keep bringing out ridiculous maps with them in it?
What exactly are you lots hoping to achieve with the delusion of multiethnic Biafra? Who bewitched you?

We will not have another Zik(MNK) and NCNC (IPOB) in this era. Ndiigbo will not allow it.
Until IPOB become fully proud of being an Igbo only organization, chasing away all the non Igbo moles they have in their ranks. Until MNK drop the folly of multiethnic Biafra and IPOB and embrace pan Igboism and work towards it. I will continue to point out your flaws and bash you lots if need be.
Affliction must not arise a second time.

Malawian:
Honestly, are Ijaw, Igala, Bini such formidable tribes that should we wage war on them, they will not capitulate under a few days? I really don't see the fuss in all these fear mongering. We are very capable and within our own capacity to always take back any Igbo tribe stolen, and this includes the likes of Ika and Ukwuani.

This is an ideological war not a physical war.
You can't invade and force Ukwuani and Ika people into your Biafra as things stand because they are deep in identity crises and would resist.
It would attract bad international publicity and make you exactly the same thing you accuse Nigerians of being.

You will have to get Biafra through peaceful means and you will not have communities where identity crises is present. Your director is shouting referendum, do you know what the result of referendum will be in Ika and Ukwuani as things stand? You will lose. No body stole Ukwuani or Ika. They simply became Igbophobic, encouraged by their minority neighbors, the same minorities your director is coopting into his utopian multiethnic Biafra.

Ndoki is salvageable but we have to move quick and drop the delusion of multiethnic Biafra. It is an ideological war, and has to be fought so.

1960

Zik: Let's leave our tribal identities and become Nigerians

Awolowo: Let's embrace our tribal identities first and foremost

Saraduna: North first, Nigeria second.


2021

MNK: Let's leave our tribal identities and become Biafrans

Minorities: We are more interested in our tribal identities.



We know how the Zik folly ended. IPOB is the new NCNC. Igbo controlled body that fought so hard to present it self as pan Nigerian, while AG and NPC fully embraced they are regional/tribal parties with no apology and went on to aggressively work on their regional agenda while Ndiigbo had no one working for us, because Zik was more Nigerian than other Nigerians.

Let's think deep about these things.

24SEVEN:
Igboid, see the kind of epistle you have written ontop another person state. You are either from Anambra or Somewhere north of Rivers state, but Rivers state matter is always your problem.

Dont stresss yourself, no ijaw can take an inch of Ndoki. I want you to stress yourself less so you can live longer.

4/5 of Ndokiland is in Abia state.