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bodeface: Kindly assist on how best to stop the growth of moss and algae on concrete floor.

We did floor stamping in a location and we are called back that the place is fast growing moss and algae, pls what is the best way to eradicate this growth permanently.

Appreciate all responses in advance.


Bodeface

Maybe I can help here, you cannot permanently get rid of algae on concrete floor as long as some water is retained there. There are products (polymeric sand) that you can use in sealing gaps but this wont work for the surface of concrete.

You should advise your client to focus on maintaining the stamped floor, the easiest and cheapest way that I know is to use bleach or buy chlorine and make the solution then pour/spray it on the floor routinely in the raining season (not when it is raining). It works like magic making the floor looking like the first time it was done.

Be careful with chlorine, it is a powerful oxidizer and pretty unfriendly to many things including human nose.

bodeface: I have just recently finished such work with exclusive kitchen cabinet not just the regular MDF stuff, the guy that did it for me is an expert at what he does,he will show you great finishes that are not MDF stuff of the work he did for me, the most satisfying aspect of him is that he will not stop untill you are satisfied.

I was in your shoes a few months ago, wondering who could do the job right until I met this man, give him a trial and I am sure a trial will convince you. He is not aware am doing this for him, I just felt replying to your enquiries

Their Contact is:
Urban and Elite
BB Pin: 29012CB6
07042247867

Thanks! I spoke to the guy and he sent me a couple of pictures (actually sent many). I like some of his work and may deal with him if he is serious enough.

As meticulous as we have been, the grasscutters are not letting up; we lost about 20 seedlings due to their attacks. They were able to burrow underneath the metal jacket to eat the succulent part of the seedling. We have increased clearing and spraying/surveillance to reduce their activities.

We also started the application of fertilizer; Sadly, we bought the fertilizer in the open market at N5,000 per bag and looking at using about 500g per seedling. Pretty expensive business but you wont achieve anything if you wait on government.

More pics, seedling lounging on the field.

A couple of pics, seedlings waiting to be planted.

What proof of work? I made a post here looking for information on kitchen cabinets and you are asking for work proof! Or did you see a signboard advertising something for sale here?

Read my original post again so you don't confuse yourself

Is there a great kitchen cabinet person (manufacturer or importer) out there? Need some good and serious kitchen cabinet, not just the simple MDF stuffs being peddled around.

Have been checking around with no luck yet, will appreciate some help.

Thanks!

okine4real: Nice one. Nice advice. Like as i have always said, when i want to make profit, i would always want to make sweet profit. I dont know how many acres you bought, but if i buy lets say 100 acre, how much would it cost to have a C of O ? Also you said you paid 50k for clearing 10 acres... Oboy man that is cheap man...... I paid more than 100k to clear 13 plots in Delta state. Well i have always said it that the west is the best place to do plantation business because of there cheap lands, imagine you buying one acre for 50k and i bought one plot for 180k in mine village.. I have wasted money seriously.... I would try and revisit these palm business. But the problem am having is, if i must set up these palm plantation in Ibadan, i must have an eye there, and better still the eye should be a family member. But i would take all your advice seriously and start planing again.

Palm plantation is very cash consuming so i must go prepare well well. if possible i would like to have 5,000 palm nursery for a start. All these making 3M profit at the end of the year, that kind of money is too small for me because if i spend lets say 9M for buying of 100 acres and i spend like 500k for clearing, another lets say 700k for survey, 1M for buying of seedling and transport, another 500k for planting. and there would still be another cost i cant put here. So if i make 3M from lets say from the 6 year, bro the money too small. but would have to go back to mine plan and re strategize again.

The cost of CofO depends on each state and also on the person handling the processing; give or take, it may cost up to 750k for 100 acre land in Osun state. This is inclusive of govt charges and professional fees. Yes, cost to clear lands varies depending on where the land is but the general agreement is to keep cost very low especially in any farm business where labor cost can cause lots of damages. Cost of land is a big issue for farmers and you definitely do not want to spend too much to acquire land, a plot of land costing 180k is a land for residential property and cannot be a farmland. You have not wasted money, you are only paying the price to learn albeit in a very expensive manner; you waste money when you make the same mistake twice. Farming, as I know it, is not a venture for absentee farmers so you should plan on living close to the farm or hire good hands and provide excellent supervision. I will advise you visit farms and talk to farmers so you can learn more, especially from young people who are finding their way back to farm.

You will spend more than 500k to clear 100 acres in one year, I am presently doing second clearing because of the rains. You will spend this 500k like 3 or 4 times in one year or until the plantain can rescue you (if you include plantain with the palm). Survey may cost up to 700k if you negotiate hard otherwise budget between N1M to N1.5M. Planting may cost close to N1M except if you win lottery and get some cheap guys that will charge less and do a good job, you may need fertilizer and the cost varies. You will need additional 250k to 400k for metal protectors for your seedlings.
So, in agreeing with you, palm plantation is not cheap especially at the level of 5000 seedlings. Generally, farming is not cheap but you have an edge if you have the cash to spend because people will always need food to survive.

All the best.

kunlekunle: was just concern about the cos implication of the project.
If cash is available you invest professionally, if not thats when you do the pecking order.
I intend to spend 400k in the first 3yrs on 10h, the 4th i;ll be planning the processing unit.
ill be liasing with some agric students for advice and adopt semi automatic operation.
will definitely get in touch probably to share exxperiences.

You need to review this plan, 400k wont go far in this business. I currently pay 50k to clear 10 acres, you are looking at 125k to clear 10ha except if you will be doing the clearing yourself.

Rubyventures: We have had our oil palm plantation for close to 10 years now, in the ogba area of benin city the problem is that the labour cost are very high and marketing for the final product . We sell the palm oil in drums is there anybody here with similar experience?

What was your marketing strategy when you started the business? Perhaps you should revisit that and do a review to make it up to date.

okine4real: I need advice here now.. Am actually looking at buying lands in ibadan. I know they sell for 80k per acre, some people sell lower why some sell higher. Now the first thing is, are these lands for real? Looking at a situation where by some family might come years later start claiming the land. Also if i plant oil palms using 9 meter spacing, can i plant plantain in between? also how many should i plant considering the spacing?

You can get land for different prices anywhere off Ibadan down to interior Osun State. It depends on how far inside you want to go. Closer to Ibadan is more expensive and prone to fraud, the "land agents" are many these days. I bought my land for 50k per acre about 2 years ago but the price is up, the villagers are smarter now.
It is important to check the authenticity of the land, there are several ways to do that. Local checks using villagers/community folks, different interviews and then from government to know if the land is marked for some developmental work. Take this seriously, Ajimobi and Aregbe are "working like mad", many lands and under govt acquisition in Oyo state and nobody will tell you except you check. I was shown such land, thank God I had the map of govt acquired lands around Ibadan.
These checks cost money, so don't go looking for cheap help that will land you in trouble. You must also spend your money wisely so guys don't fleece you and leave you dry.
Most of the village lands don't have surveys, so that is additional cost and very huge too. You have to get your own surveyor if you don't want to pay for 20 acres and end up with 12! Govt deliberately charge so much for survey to discourage scammers (although you get reimbursed some of the survey fees by govt, if your surveyor is your wife!).

After acquiring the land, you need the survey drawing made up and registered with govt. And better to apply for the CofO immediately, you should take possession even before applying for CofO to show your presence and prevent any game.

Better to plant plantain in between the palm if you use 9m spacing for the palm trees, you should plan for about 300 to 400 plaintain per acre. This is huge income if you get good yield and market the plantain well.

All the best.

delors: The reason why that vacancy was advertised is because it is the law that such vacancies must be made public to attract interested and qualified candidates. The truth is, the position is already occupied. So, few hours to the expiration of the advert, the company would post the advert just to fulfill that legal requirement, knowing that applications that would come through given that short window would be rushed up or none would ever come through because there is no time to prepare a sound resume. That is what is done in all those top companies. the only ones that stay open and are almost genuine are the entry level jobs for inexperienced graduates etc Everything is a big scam in Nigeria. Big big scam.

Good theory, false information..anyway, go ahead and apply if you are qualified, put in your best and leave the rest for God.
By the way, didn't know there is a law that companies must advertise vacant positions! We learn everyday..

henrimoto: @ igbonla. can u please share d soft copy of ur plantain manual with? it will be of great help to me. ... here is my mail. henrimoto@rocketmail.com thanks!

Will find the link and post here, I am unable to send email to individuals at this time.

Ola one: wolf in sheep's clothing. These guys aren't opposition, they are SENACO.

Just like Lib Dem praising Tories in a coalition government.

It is a ruse.

It will continue to be a ruse until you come down to Ibadan.

Ola one: I say to the marines.

This guy now belongs to ACN/SENACO.

One of the id.iots who helped Ajimobi to renege on his agreement with Ladoja.


He belongs to SENACO right now.

Any right thinking person would renege on the agreement with Accord party, please go read Ajimobi's letter to Sen Ladoja on the removal of Accord party's nominees into government.
Sen Ladoja has been attacking the governor on mundane issues, even some of his party people do not agree with him.

SLIDE waxie: Oppositions are but few in the oyo state house of assembly! They are well out numbered even when a vote is casted against a decision!

If they wanna act tough, they will suffer!!! And their own share of 'ghana-must-go' according to political right in Nigeria go dey jump them pass be that!

You definitely do not know what you write! Accord and PDP lawmakers in Oyo State house of assembly have enough numbers to make life hell for the governor (15 out of 32), he went into alliance with Accord party to have the needed peace.

You would need to keep up with Ibadan politics to be able to make informed comments.

okine4real: mine feasibility report just dropped in mine mail. i dont know if these business is blood money but am seeing 60M Net profit. And from his analysis the land is just 25 acre which means its just 1500 palms trees. How can 1500 palm trees give you 60M net profit? even if its from the 8 year one start making these kind of profit, is it possible?

60M net profit from 25 acres! Too good to be true and you should be careful with some of these projections.

You can make your own projections from little information available on yield and cost of investment, the only challenge will be how to estimate your yield/ha since you are using different spacing from what is in the literature.

okine4real: Its a plus for me... that you said part of mine write up is partially correct. All i but here was something i read and researched mine self.... I was just saying a farmer can twist things to his own advantage thats all. As for the way the palms absorb nutrients... I was told by one of mine consultant that, the main reason why most people dont water palms when they plant them or even when there is dry season is because, as the palm grow, there root go straight down to the water table... The root dont grow side ways.... 90% of there root go inside the ground. Also am not still quoting you wrong but look at it dis way.

if i have 200 hectare of land.. i can plant 30,000 palm according to the normal 150 palms per hectare. but with lets say 30 hectares i can also plant the said 30,000 palm.. if i follow your saying which you said if you reduce the spacing, one would get a slight reduced palm fruit.... I think am okay with that... If i have 200 hectares and i plant 30,000 and every year i get 100,000 liters of oil, if then have 30 hectares and i have 30,000 palms and i get 90,000 or 95,000 liters of oil, i think the business is worth it, because instead of buying 200 hectares which would cost me lets say 10M, i would buy just 30 hectares for just 1M or less.

But the main issue here is, people should know that, they can reduce the space in between. But am happy that, you really agreed with mine write up.. because since you agree, then it means am making sense.. Thanks Boss

Bros, I will be a billionaire if it works like that! Using your analogy, you will be lucky to get 30,000 liters if you squeeze same 30,000 palms into 30 hectares instead of 200 ha.

You should fire your consultant that claimed the root of oil palm tree grow down to the water table, pretty ridiculous explanation as to why the oil palm tree is not watered. The root is best classified as fibrous, never tap root.
Here is a quote from a research document on the root of oil palm trees; "Field observations showed that roots could grow vertically, either upwards or downwards, horizontally, or without any specific direction in relation to gravity. In the oil palm root system, all root types maintain the same direction of growth throughout their life span, and branching angles are always very close to 90 degree, irrespective of topological order".

kunlekunle: hi bro,
cant see any attachment on this forum.
why not attach it to my mail and send.
canonbj66@gmail.com

thanks

There is an attachment in one of my posts; Sorry, I am unable to email it but you can get the full document and more from the links below.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/t0309e/t0309e00.htm
http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y4355e/y4355e03.htm

Best of luck!

okine4real: Now talking about the spacing... Do you people know what 9 Meter spacing is? i know some of us know, but not all. See the standard plot is 120 feet by 60 feet. 60 feet is 6 meter, So for you to get 9 meter spacing half plot is gone, then you also have to add another 20 feet to the 60 feet before you can get 9 meter spacing.... So when they say 9 meter people please you need to understand what 9 meter is.

Now also if people are using 9 meter, the first thing you should ask is, what is the whole 9 meter meant for. Dont just let people tell you things and you swallow them. Am not saying 9 meter spacing is wrong but if you know why people are using 9 meter spacing then you understand the spacing more, then also you can reduce the spacing by cutting out some amount of space in the 9 meter because you know that you dont need some amount of the space.

let me break it down for you guys. When a palm is lets say 35 years oil, the palm leave is around 1.5 meter. So if you have two trees standing lets say tree A and tree B. Tree A palm leave stretch to Tree B consuming 1.5 meter out of the 9 meter. Now Tree B palm leave stretch back to Palm A consuming another 1.5 meter there by consuming another 1.5 meter out of the 9 meter. Now with this stage you are left with 6 meter in between both trees. The 6 Meter is meant for what?? that is the first question you ask yourself. Now the 6 meter is meant for tractors, trailers that would be moving in between your plantation. But as an entrepreneur or as a small scale farmer you might not have money to buy or hire a tractor or you might not want to use a trailer, so you look for other means in which you would move your palm fruits from the plantation to the milling factory.

Now as for me, since i know that i only need 3 meter spacing in between two trees, i dont want to use a tractor and i dont want to use a trailer in between by plantation. So what did i do, i would use a manual or semi manual means of transporting mine palms to the side of the plantation, once i have achieve that, then mine trailer would be waiting at the sides of the plantation. I dont know if you guys understand what am saying... If you leave 3 meter spacing in between each palm, then you cant drive your cars in between the plantation that's all.

My mothers brother has a plantation of about 150 palms. he used 3 meter spacing.. they use will barrow to transport the palm fruits out of the plantation to his house then he sells the palm fruit in his house. his trees are about 35 years old now, the leaves are almost torching each other now... So if the plantation is 35 years old and the palm leaves are not torching each other... then any body that wants to use 3 meter spacing should not be afraid.. Also 3 meter spacing is equal to 10 feet.

The key is... go and see a plantation that is 35 years old, look at the spacing and know if it would work or not.. But you must have it in mine that, how you would transport that palms fruit from the plantation to your milling factory... once you have device a good strategy then, just start counting your millions.. This is all i have to say for now... More question and i would answer.

Your analysis is partially correct but dealt with just one side..the space allow tractors quite all right but you need to study how each palm draw nutrients from the ground and why spacing less than 9m will reduce nutrients available for optimal growth and fruting of the palm. The roots get in each others way when the trees are too close, thereby reducing the yield (not that you wont harvest something but it will be reduced)
The yield from the palm trees that are too close to each other will be significantly lower than when you observe the right spacing. You can use 4.5m by 7.8m like in the extract I attached earlier and you will still get good results but the best result comes from 9m by 9m.

The local, old farmers used to be happy with just 2, 3 bunches per palm tree but times have changed. We now make projections based on yield per hectare and expect 10 bunches per tree!

Will try get the link to the document on the web and post here so folks can directly access it. I am not able to email it as I do not have a dummy email address for these kind of request.

henrimoto: @ igbonla. nice one! thanks 4 ur enlightment. did u say 10,000 or 1,000 trees of plaintain on an acre of land.? sorry, i no dis is nt a plantain thread, but since it has it own added advantages in supporting young oil palm plantation, i think there's need 2 share some vital inform on it. plss. igbonla, let me hear 4rm u.

I apologize for the typo, it is 10,000 plantain per hectare (2.5 acres). I have corrected the info in the earlier post.

Thanks for pointing it out. Not sure of what else to share on the plantain but it is pretty straightforward once you get the real suckers and there are many good sources around.
I have another manual on that but it is too bulky to be attached here, still waiting for ideas on how to make it smaller by those experienced in such.

Fhemmmy: Nice one . . . Could you give more information about yours . . spacing as well as projections, and would be nice if there are pix.

I followed the FAO manual that I mentioned in my earlier write up using 9m by 9m (see attached extract from the document). I am far away from the farm now, it will take a while to get some pics. Will share whenever I get some.

Bought the palm at same price (N150 each), you can buy the smaller, younger seedlings for about N30 but will require further grow out in the nursery before you can plant in the open field.

I forgot to declare that I am a small investor in palm tree plantation, about completing planting of about 70 acres. Got the palm from NIFOR.

Nice thread, but felixzo1's gave the most accurate information. Young farmers should be careful when starting out otherwise wrong fram practices will lead to immeasurable losses that would send anybody out of business.

Learning is the first step in any business endeavor, go ask my friend, Nnamdi, at Alaba.

I wanted to attach a document from FAO as a guide but I am unable to attach it, Nairaland says I cannot attach anything bigger than 200kb. Document is 984kb, let me know how to attach it if you have an idea.
Don't expect a good yield if you don't follow established guidelines. You dont need to pay for any feasibility study document that is coming from somebody who may not have any practical experience.

Okine4real is contending with grasscutters attacking his young palms, pretty hilarious that he plan on using scarecrow. Scarecrow are for birds not grasscutters and he must not replaced the palms until he has the metal protector. Do not use net, as recommended in the attached document, except if the net is made of stainless steel. Most net materials in the market will rust out before the end of the raining season this year.
Spacing is critical and the same poster got it wrong, please do not proceed without correcting this error. Palm trees need the space otherwise the competition for nutrients will kill them off and kill your investments.

Maintenance of the plantation is critical, very critical to its survival and achievement of your revenue projection, Farming is hard but rewarding work, just do it right.

By all means, please introduce plantain into your palm tree plantation when starting out. It helps kill the weeds as the plantain grows up (it is generally used in growing cash crops that require some years to reach maturity - cocoa, etc). And guess what, the plantain provide the cash to maintain the farm and also pay for the original investment. Please do the analysis based on about 10,000 plantains per hectare (not acre) and tell me you wont make your money back in one year.

Pardon any typos.

No matter how much we disagree with the president, he does need the prayers of everyone of us. It is easier to pull down than to build.
His people in the South South need to go easy on their utterances at this time and not make more enemies for him. Fighting the Boko Haram wahala is enough troubles.

And for those clamouring for break up of the country, I wish you well but pray you don't experience what you are wishing yourselves.

Thanks, will check those out. I appreciate the contact too.

Just wondering where to get VERY GOOD QUALITY materials for kitchen and bathroom (double bowl SS sinks, faucets, floor and wall tiles, hoods, cabinets, etc) in Lagos. Moen, Delta, Kohler products for sinks and faucets.

Please tell if you have some ideas, pictures will be appreciated if you sell these items. Would prefer to buy in Nigeria except if it's not possible.

Gracias!

Irrational behavior from two adults..the focus of suggestions here should be on how to get the two of them to become rational and agree to a middle ground.
Threat of divorce is dangerous while daily two hours chat on the phone with a friend by a married man is clearly unreasonable.
Marriage is all about compromise with the two parties shifting till they find common grounds on all relevant areas and settling down to enjoy the marriage.

nwando: He is cheating on you and wants to turn the tables around to mask his guilt
This is an old trick,don't fall for it


Looks like your man is insecure
There is not much you can do for him,if your conscience is clear,forget him and ignore the stupid accusations
He will eventually grow up
You can't spend your time worrying about a man who sees himself as not measuring up to whoever he accuses you of cheating with
You can't teach self esteem
He needs to find it himself

While you may be correct that the man is insecure, asking her to "ignore the stupid accusations" is a recipe for disaster. You wont go to bed when your house is on fire.

Natudu: Nice stock to hold. It will explode in the next few months....

Amen.

Pictures of your products and past jobs will get you better results in this line of business, you should include some.

[quote author=laz_inc]I have been doing my analysis on companies, despite the fact that getting financial data on Nigeria companies are somehow challenging compared to other developed markets around the world.

I want to see a situation, where some of us can take up companies, analyze these companies, determine the real worth of these companies - The intrinsic value, because having an intrinsic value estimate keeps one focused on the value of the business, rather than a piece of the stock - and that's what we want because, as an investor, you are buying a small piece of a business. This gives us strong basis in making investment decisions.

I will like the boss Seun and other investment gurus to keep this thread alive.[/quote]The bolded is the crux of the matter, the economy is not so open and sophisticated yet despite ongoing improvement efforts. Inadequate financial data makes it tough to do reasonable analysis, there also too many "under the table" factors that influences the value of these companies.
We had a vibrant thread on this topic some years back, dunno how those folks could be brought back. It was so interesting with all the candles, graphs, charts and passionate discussions!