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bossinie:
This guy most definitely did not act alone,the Police should be thoroughly quizzed as i believe more facts will emerge.However,this dude have allowed his 'idle mind' to be enormously harnessed by the master of all craftiness "devil". Waoh! this is a millennium scam.

chivic123:
i will just tell those that are not scammed as lucky,because all the facts this guy displayed show lot to convince pple. involvmnt of police,immigration and notable pple. if some of you are accussing those that applied as wanting to cut corners. What of those that had to travel down from overseas to apply.well the Lord will give us answers to our questions

Who said the police, immigration and gtbank folks involved are true members of those organizations Do people know their names and other details or have their pictures to assist in fishing them out? Possible that he just got some folks off the street and paid them for the job!

If your plan for Canada is legitimate, you have a couple of options to follow:

(1) Visit and review http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp to see which option is best for you.
(2) Post your questions here and I am pretty sure you will get answers, people are willing to help.
(3) Contact Canadian embassy in Nigeria to verify whatever information or response you get here and for further clarification.

Beyond the above, you will surely end up along the path of deceit.

Wish you guys luck.

mariofemi:
@all
my first statement goes to the moderator of this forum,what are you really moderating?you even join the rest of the house in making mockery of a serious

thread by changing the topic to a derogatory and comical one.my thought is that you of all will realise the topic before you is quite a volatile issue that

need your seriousness.you should have been a pacesetter and image builder by being neutral.thats my words for you.
i decided to go offline not because i was shy or ran away as some people claimed,the reason is that this is a forum where i believe we can learn,but its so

sadden when some have turn this place to where all they can advocate for,are insults and curses once someone is against their opinion.CS issue has generated

a lot of controversies and i see no reason why we have to insult,curse people's generations(even though you dont have any basic knowledge of who they are);

all just because we want to drive home a point,while the main man involve is somewhere happy lounging.Some even claimed they are staying outside nigeria in

order to look important and drive home a point while some even claim australia and manitoba as their abode.what has all this earn us? nothing but back to

status quo.all our argument has not really taken us anywhere since we cannot profer solution to the problem on ground.for those that applied for CS

programme(including me),i said it before,and am saying it again,IT WORTH THE RISK!.its only if you are not getting your priority right then it become a

serious issue.for those that sold properties and resigned out of their jobs,well the truth is you cant really blame CS.Its totally wrong to leave CERTAINITY

FOR UNCERTAINITY-if those that contacted me can remember, i was against you resigning or selling off properties(even fred olawale used to hammer on this).
I supported this programme all along and i defended it based on what i saw at CS then,but i wont dwell on that for now,but here and now i am saying it

categorically that its a NATIONAL SCAM!.i am saying this not because some people said so on general belief or embassy policies,or that they can smell rat or

know from a distance.i am saying this based on my discovery.i dont assume things or follow the bandwagon,i work on my fact and try to established it.i

started having my reservation at a particular time and i decided to stop commenting in this forum until i have my facts ready.like i said its a scam and the

Principal officer olawale fred is a man with double identity(real name withheld on agencies advice)

Thanks for finally agreeing to what we already know; unfortunately, the deed is done and we are hoping the victims can get their international passports back.

However, you were off-point in your write up and I am not convinced you have learnt much from this experience. Here are my reasons;

- Your opening statement should have been an apology otherwise you need to go back and read your first couple of posts on this issue.
- The argument/ disagreement would have prevented the participation by some other persons if they had listened and if some of you did not seriously defend this scam.
- Stop saying it is worth the risk, rather, spread the message that people should do better risk analysis next time and not be swayed by modern day advertisement such as was provided by Fred/CS.
- Spread the message that there is a peril in the way of short cuts and encourage people to prepare to work for success. With the history of 419 in Nigeria and past performances of the key actors, going as far as using the IGP's office and the defence headquarter, people need serious education that if it is too good to be true, it definitely cannot be true.
- Finally, you should slow down some bit because you appear too trusting. Stay away from Ronke and work with the other victims to resolve the passport issue, it is possible she knows more than you think and may be the "eye" of Fred/CS as this season 2 unfolds.

Wish you guys luck.

mariofemi:
WORKING TOWARDS A CONCLUSIVE RESOLUTION. TO BE REVEALED ON MONDAY 19TH, 6AM ON NAIRALAND

Any reason it can't be revealed here right now? It is weekend and nothing can happen officially between now and 6am on Monday. Hopefully, the victims can get there passports back, cut their losses and move on with the pieces of their lives. Also hoping there will be no further scam by demanding for money before the passports are handed back.

It's a pity the victims don't know how to fight this yet!

longecity:
@ALL
My prayer is that for that are still awaiting visa God of suddenly will suddenly suddenly fast track the process  in Jesus name.We will hear good news and not breaking news.anyone planning in ontario already or planning to come to ontario toronto can reach me on 4165643423 or longebaba2@yahoo.com so that we can hook up.[b]Our fellow nigerians re not accomodating at all (black people mentality),they want u to pass thru d stress they passed thru during there arrival.[/b]no wahala sha GOD dey
Canada is a very nice and cool country.things re very cheap here in terms of there dollar.

Ok, we got here same day but I used KLM, was wondering how many Nigerians you have met in less than 2 weeks of your arrival to have warranted your comment above. Anyway, you now have the opportunity to be the change you desire to see.
I am not a student but will try contact you, where is your school here and what's your course of study?

Ciao!

NRI PRIEST:
@Igbonla,what do u propose?
just look at winonas post!

Yep, saw her post and it is sad, really sad. I did propose an option in another write up up there - separation, she need to stay away to save her life and until the husband comes to his senses.

Some of the responses here does show that this problem will be with us for a long while, a job or "secret' personal properties does not offer any exemption from beating, in fact, those can only offer false sense of hope and confidence that could lead to further beating. There are many working women in abusive marriages living and hoping for a change, the banker woman that was stabbed to death recently had a job and was even financing the management of her home! It is also not a cultural thing as men generally seek to dominate a weaker being (man or woman), it is worse in some other societies where the men would rather kill the wife because it is an easier route than beating or divorcing the woman.

Are we raising our kids such that they will respect their spouses when they eventually get married?
Do we have good understanding of marriage before jumping into it?
What is the success plan for each individual in the marriage?

Marriage, like other endeavors, is not easy and can only end well if people understand how to succeed. It does require a lot of work and sacrifices which is why women are often encourage to endure! And if you believe in the bible, then divorce cannot be an option when faced with a violent spouse, maybe separation until whenever the issues can be resolved (otherwise you stay separated).

On another note, I am sure there are women battering their husbands too   but probably wont be in the news because of the shame that could accompany such news.

NRI PRIEST:
@jidegirl12,trust me,i will bring any man that put their hands on ma sisters a brutal justice!
ukpana okpoko gburu,nti jiri ya, any man that put their hands on a woman is a very weak coward!
i was gonna ask these women who are victim of husband beating if they dont have a brother,
and if u are a man and let another man shook hand into your eyes by beating your sister,then u are equally a useless goat, i dont care if u are the most powerful man on planet earth, i will bring u total anihilation!
try me and figure!

How does killing the man solve the problem?

justwise:
Do u expect answers to those questions? Let see if u will, but i doubt

I don't expect answers but who knows!

Cipriani:
And at last, a fool is asking so many questions and hopes to get answers.

You shouldn't get angry that easily, it is not healthy.

Cipriani:
Initially, I did not believe it. I had doubts and I pushed them forward to those who informed me. They gave me a 1001 reasons to believe it was genuine. Some said they have called their loved ones to confirm it; some said they met with pastors who told them it was true; some said a woman was asked to bring N1.5m which was supposed to be the money to returned back to the agency after being taken to Canada when she demanded her passport be given to her and the presence of police also spoken of. I raised the issue of how all the applicants will be moved to Canada, they told me the same way Mecca and Jerusalem pilgrims are moved en-mass. I asked about the accommodation and they told me condominiums were available to take care of that. I could have supported Justwise and the rest but the applicants kept on proving to me that it was genuine. All these information were firsthand. I visited Crystal myself, listened to discussions held by applicants and they all pointed out the reasons why I should believe. Hearing all these, I decided to keep my skepticism to myself and support them. But I was opened to say that anyone with proofs and not just logical reasons should step forward but nobody did except for CanImServ. Everyone was logical in reasoning but applicant gave me facts that they themselves seemed to have verified.  

Seriously, I think you should refrain from making further comments because I am sure you are the only one that agrees with your reasoning. Btw, my response of August 6th is reproduced below and please pay attention to the portion in bold.

igbonla:
Very very difficult for an informed mind not to identify there is a problem with this scheme, people have written about taking risks here but refused to add that it must be informed and calculated risk so they don't get their fingers burnt.

It is getting tiresome working on young people of nowadays and teaching them that there is no shortcut to success; often times you want to give up and leave them to their fate but for the "inner fight" that is so disturbing and uncomfortable to deal with.

Whatever category the crystal services people belong, there is no way the Canadian goverment is allowing shipping of even 1,000 Nigerians to Manitoba or wherever. The visas issued under the skilled worker program at the CHC Accra does not go beyond 800 every year and this is inclusive of dependents. Not sure under what category the crystal people falls.

The Manitoba PNP does not seem to fit what has been listed by crystal services but the last straw for me is the hospitals to do the medical - St Nicholas in Lagos and National Hospital in Abuja! Any medical for any trip whatsover to Canada (whether the visa is issued in Lagos or Accra) must be conducted in Lagos either with Asaju or Yaba clinic and in Abuja with Zankli clinic. This is not negotiable and anything contrary to this will definitely be a red flag.

Watching to see how this event will end,

Good to know that there is some closure coming to this stupidity that could have been prevented if people would listen. The quest for sudden success blinded them all making it difficult for their brains to function as designed; relying on taking some useless risks and believing their gods will make it happen has led them to the expected end. What a shame!

Where is the fool asking us to prove this is a scam and requesting to see the results of our investigations?
Where are the other fools that registered solely to defend this obvious scam?
Where are those other fools that refused to heed the warnings despite several abuses targeted at those they should be praising?
Who is the fool expecting government to prevent this kind of scam despite all help here, and when government is yet to find solutions to bigger problems facing the nation?
And where are the fools waiting to be the next victims of some other kinds of scams?

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is not probably a duck but a duck. Hoping someone somewhere will understand that if it is too good to be true then it cannot be true.

ogundokun:
serious, Gtbank have a case to answer

ogundokun:
i also felt that GTBANK is also part of the scamming process they promise to foot the BTA Money, for all the applicants in which applicants had applied for.

How was the promise by GTBank made? Do you have proof or you relied on the dummy sold to you by those criminals?

justunde:
It is only God dat knows it is a scam or not. Life is full risk, y not take a risk , But I believe All IS WELL. Just like the (3 IDIOTS)

No, it is not only God that knows if this is a scam or not! And please stop talking about taking some dumb risk! This is the reason too many of you guys remain where you are. God has given you brains, if only people will use 5% of this brain to discern that this can only be a scam.

Taking risk does take into consideration the success rate of a venture not just some silly "exit from the plane without any training and the use of parachute".

Very very difficult for an informed mind not to identify there is a problem with this scheme, people have written about taking risks here but refused to add that it must be informed and calculated risk so they don't get their fingers burnt.

It is getting tiresome working on young people of nowadays and teaching them that there is no shortcut to success; often times you want to give up and leave them to their fate but for the "inner fight" that is so disturbing and uncomfortable to deal with.

Whatever category the crystal services people belong, there is no way the Canadian goverment is allowing shipping of even 1,000 Nigerians to Manitoba or wherever. The visas issued under the skilled worker program at the CHC Accra does not go beyond 800 every year and this is inclusive of dependents. Not sure under what category the crystal people falls.

The Manitoba PNP does not seem to fit what has been listed by crystal services but the last straw for me is the hospitals to do the medical - St Nicholas in Lagos and National Hospital in Abuja! Any medical for any trip whatsover to Canada (whether the visa is issued in Lagos or Accra) must be conducted in Lagos either with Asaju or Yaba clinic and in Abuja with Zankli clinic. This is not negotiable and anything contrary to this will definitely be a red flag.

Watching to see how this event will end,

@ Brabus,

I like the fact that you have conditions of contract, no doubt it can be improved upon. The challenge will be sticking to those conditions, always a big issue for both parties in this part of the world.

Good luck!

Hotie Tima:
WHY DO MOST GIRLS THIS DAYS CAN'T DATE A GUY JUST CAUSE HE AIN'T GOT ANY MONEY

WHAT HAPPENED TO LOVE SHOULDN'T U DATE SOMEONE COZ U LOVE THEM OR EITHER LIKE THEM FOR SOMETHING THEY HAVE APART FROM THE MONEY .

SERIOUSLY GIRLS NEED TO STOP THIS silly THING THIS DAYS.

AND MOST GIRLS THINK DATING A RICH GUY WOULD GIVE THEN A GOOD SECURITY UUUMMM I DON'T THINK SO.

MONEY IS NOTHING IS JUST PAPER THAT WILL RUN OUT, SO WHY DON'T U JUST GO FOR THE HEART?

What would you rather dig for, bronze or silver? Dig for the best if you are going to dig at all, digging is hard labor!

Money that runs out is no money at all and the heart can be shared or closed out. Go ask those women in a polygamous homes; if you are gonna eat frog, better eat one with eggs inside!

Toaskarity:
pls i did nt see where the poster says there is is a missing document(that means she is prepared), they have been travelling,so must have the knowlegde they needed(no need of asking). through my understanding>the woman may be kind of f.r.u.s.t.r.a.t.e.d in life or

Pretty sure you did not see it and you should be educated enough to know that the portion you quoted was a general advice to all readers and not directed at the poster.

Inaccurate information and dangers of a single side story! What do you expect when people don't prepare for interviews and some probably has forged documentation to support their applications? In all the years I appeared at the US embassy in Lagos, I can safely conclude that most of the interviewers are quite generous, 3 examples worth sharing:

Case 1: A guy carelessly boasted that his wife had their last baby in the US just to convince the interviewer that he has been traveling quite some bit, then he got stuck at the point of showing proof of payment for the childbirth since neither himself or the wife was a US resident or citizen. He was viciously denied for abusing US medicare system.
Case 2: An unmarried lady came for dropbox interview (back then) and was feeling fly about getting the visa but could not convince the interviewer that she will not stay put in the US though she returned the first time. No ongoing schooling in Nigeria, no property, nothing whatsoever.
Case 3: A guy was going to attend a conference and had paid some miserable amount of money for it (like <$1,000), then he got challenged on supporting his participation with his past activities in Nigeria. This guy struggled and sweated so much but didn't have any explanation, felt pretty embarrassed at his folly as a fellow Nigerian.

If you are confident of your case, there is no way you can be treated like trash (Asian woman or no Asian woman). You can politely challenge the interviewer and that is the confidence lacking in most people; negotiating from a position of weakness and carrying it on your face is dangerous.
I got refused once in 1998 (actually asked to withdraw my application), the interviewer asked why I wasn't married despite my status! I responded questioning him if it was a crime to be unmarried at my age in America, I had been in the US earlier and didn't overstay. I could have refused to withdraw my application and appealed any refusal but I was not so keen on the trip and wasn't ready for any battle. I have never had any refusal since then.
At another time, I was interviewed by a very bag (fat) lady at the US embassy in Lagos and was the only person she granted a visa that day till I left, even the security guys rejoiced with me. I never knew the lady was known for such and some folks ahead of me took the "toilet route" (just as narrated by the poster) just to avoid the woman - didn't realize this until after interacting with one of the security folks.

Every applicant for non-immigrant visa is viewed as a potential immigrant and the onus is on the applicant to prove otherwise.
Bottom line is to get prepared for the interview, do not present documents you cannot defend, talk to those who have been through it and succeeded, be confident, have nice disposition (afterall life wont end soon and your life doesn't depend on the visa) and the interview will be a piece of cake.

@ inspired_m,

How much would get the following vehicles in Naija?

Honda CRV - 2002, 2003 and 2004
Nissan Xterra - 2002, 2003 and 2004

Thanks,

kcc515:
Hi everyone, I’m into professional poultry production and right now low on cash, I need someone who would invest, the amount in view is N800,000. I will pay back the LOAN PLUS THE INTEREST in less than 8 months. Anyone interested should let me know, I’ll come and discuss the details with you in person. I live in Lagos, which is also the business location. Thanks. (kccexpress@yahoo.com)

Where are you located, where is the farm and what are you rearing - layers or broilers? Do you own the land and the pen or you are leasing?

Obeledu,

Welcome and wish you success,

Your comrade in Vaughan!

yodiyokun:
Goodluck to you and your family.

Immigrating at over 40 is a lot of sacrifice, and can be a blow to your ego!.

But when all is said and done, it may be the best decsion you ever made in your life.

Make sure you have a plan and stick to it. If you are only theer to get citizenship and return home, plan for that and live like that.

Your comrade in Mississauga

hi yodiyokun,
You are so near, did I see you on redflag?

Merry Christmas

Just by the side, one of them got 200k without undressing!!! Were you there Comot for road make I see front, she may have gone through a lot without letting you know. Chicken dey sweat, na feather no gree us see am!

@ poster,

I am an apostle of keeping family issues within the family; there is no reason for any confusion. The opinion of others do not count if you are ok with the way you and your hubby live your lives. Let nobody sell you ideas that does not fit your personality so you don't trip and fall.

All the best!

Ignorance is a disease! Unfortunately, the poster cannot be educated on this thread and I don't even have the time.

Welcome to the world of extreme capitalism! I don't give a hoot what your qualifications are but you can exercise your choice by walking.

violent:
Likely questions are


Do you have any relatives? what is the status of him/her?

Yes i do. I have a close Uncle who has been living in New York with his family for over 8 years, he's an engineer and he's aware of my travel plans.

In all, they'd be looking for strong ties with Nigeria.

That portion in bold will raise a red flag especially for people with not so strong ties to Nigeria.

yemigeorge:
see more pix

So you will put my pics on the web if I patronize you

You had a choice when you knew of her relationship with another guy. You should have a rethink and decide if you want to leave or continue to struggle. My advice - take the path of honor and leave, she's insulted you enough. Stay in and enjoy yourself if this is just a school romance.

I believe she's the kind of girl a reasonable man will toss out ASAP so he doesn't go insane.

Slow down man lest you come out bleeding, there are good women everywhere and you will surely get one if you know what you are doing. Do you have enough time to relate with a girl when you come down to Nigeria? Don't know when last you visited but the parameters have changed, girls want more!

Wish you all the best,