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benalvino: my problem is God is a nature which is the father and the Son...

Now he is trying to claim that satan is a GOD sharing same title with GOD who is by nature GOD... where satan being god is just a title... that the thing he refuse to understand. and he went on and said satan is not idol because idols are things that are carved only.

Please the bolded is confusing....what do you mean??.....

Is moses whom God made a God an idol??.....

You had better step up your understanding of who or what a God is.....

And you failed to tell her that you worship and call 3 persons combined your God and not the one person(The Father).....

Are you ashamed to be a polytheist??..

Thoniameek: What's the meaning of that? 'EL GIBBOR'??

The words EL and GIBBOR both mean mighty,powerful.....

its because these expression is sometimes attached to the almighty GOD so most times you see the rendering as Mighty God,or powerful One.......

The expression EL Gibbor is also used on human kings and rulers.....

Jesus was to be called El Gibbor by virtue of the fact that he would be given rulership and power.....infact as we read God gave Jesus all power and authority(with the exception of God who gave him)


Now if one reads isaiah 9:6 and think Jesus is equal to his own God then one must have to be suffering from the trinity syndrome .......

No Jew,I repeat no Jew ever read isaiah 9:6 and mistook the messiah for the one God over all....

Only trinitarians read it and go crazy with the God interpretation.....

benalvino: lol i thought he is a god already... so why should god make him like god to pharaoh?

Foolish question....

Kindly define the God moses is........

And this is GOD making him(moses) GOD......

Thoniameek: We're all going in circles.... Been reading through all these post, yet i don't understand a bit( i got confused at a point even).... What are we dragging at? What's the main issue? What the question?

The question is who are polytheists??...

Persons who worship 3 persons or those who claim the one GOD to us is the Father alone.....

Your freinds are saying because one knows that others are called God(s) then that makes one a polytheist....

And right here it has been made known to them who the one God is....

But as you can see they are arguing that the one GOd is not the Father alone,but a combination of the Father,Son and holy spirit......

They claim 3 persons to be there God(s) and not one person........

Na him be the quarrel here o......

The people wan relegate the Father from being the one God to somebody wey be the colleagues of other persons.........they are making the Father a colleague of Jesus Christ......

Isn't that a sin deserving of destruction??...

benalvino: how is zeus not satan? you know zeus never exist... but people use to believe in him.

and am saying the idols didnt seek worship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have you ever seen any idol speak? why you they use seek worship as excuse...
"Tell them this: 'These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.'"

And once again you are only looking at the definition of false God and God itself from one angle........

Are the people God proclaimed himself as Gods idols??.......


Are the angels idols for the scriptures calling them God(s)??......

benalvino: it says gods... nothing about seeking worship or not... if you are gods and didn't create the heaven and earth you are destroyed don't you get it?

Jehovah is not the God of the nations is that what you are saying because he is in heaven? how are you thinking this Bro?

Bible made it clear even if there are so called gods in heaven or earth... they are all idols.

I am telling you that people can be called Gods and not be false.....

The scriptures has proven that......

I don't have to be the creator to be called God..... I go soon leave you to dey mumu with your thread o........

Pauls words in 1 corinthians 8:6 refered to all those who are called Gods,wether by nature,by virtue of the fact that they are Gods representatives or false Gods who claim worship that belongs to the Father to themselves.........

Not all those who are called Gods are false.........God himself has proven that.......

benalvino: if you like be in Mars heaven sun stars under sea water or dont exist at all like anything that doesnt not exist lol... if people worship you or you are a god you are part of the gods of the nature... and the verse i keep showing you says they will all be destroyed... anything god will be destroyed. that is what that verse and other verses are saying.

And I have sounded it a million times that all those called Gods are not my GOD....

The Father alone is my God oooooo........

Benalvino would say GOD himself made moses a false GOD....


Exodus 7:1

King James Bible (Cambridge
Ed.)
And the LORD said unto Moses,
See, I have made thee a god to
Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother
shall be thy prophet.


Douay-Rheims Bible
And the Lord said to Moses:
Behold I have appointed thee the
God of Pharao: and Aaron thy
brother shall be thy prophet.

Darby Bible Translation
And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I
have made thee God to Pharaoh;
and Aaron thy brother shall be thy
prophet.



Benalvino what kind of God is moses??,......

deSika: he is to be called mighty God. my question now is, is Ijawkid among the persons who will call him mighty God

Why not!!!.....

But as you can see he isn't my GOD.....

The bolded is where my answer lies......


Why do you think isaiah says Jesus would be called EL GIBBOR??.......

Answer please.......

benalvino: are you saying they created the earth and heavens? i mean the humans you are calling God... because the bible said Gods that dint create the Heaven and Earth will be destroyed...

I am saying they are Gods because they are powerful,bestowed with power,Gods image,Gods glory,reflection

benalvino: i am asking if Satan will be destroyed cause you feel he is different from idols... whereas even the Zeus the Sun god Jupiter and anything you worship is Satan as long as that thing is not God.

Satan would be destroyed because he seeks worship that solely belongs to the Father to himself........

Satan even wanted Jesus to worship him.......

And zeus is not satan o......I don tire for your questions abeg.......

benalvino: For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. 5For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. 6Honor and majesty are before him: strength and beauty are in his sanctuary.

Are the angels in heaven Gods of the nations??.......please answer.......

benalvino: all the gods... its not differentiating between carved sticks or invisible things... it states for all the gods of the nations are idols including Satan.

There says God of the nations......

Are the angels in heaven God of the nations??.......

Satan yes is the God behind the God of those nations who rebel......

But abeg you the angels in heaven nkor??.....

And you are only giving one definition of the word God even when God himself gave varying definitions......

truthislight: When a commission or a minister does a job, it is The governor or head of state that takes the glory.

Jesus was only ask to do something by Yahweh. Dazz all!

It Is persons like desika who would want to squeeze Jesus into the one God he would be subject to just because Jesus was given power and authority to rule as Gods representative or a co-ruler so to speak....


1 Corinthians 15:24-28
New International Version (NIV)
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over
the kingdom to God the Father after he has
destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
25 For he must reign until he has put all his
enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to
be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put
everything under his feet.”[a] Now when it
says that “everything” has been put under him,
it is clear that this does not include God
himself, who put everything under Christ.
28 When he has done this, then the Son
himself will be made subject to him who put
everything under him, so that God may be all in
all.



Desika and benalvino would struggle to fix Jesus in the God in bolded even after knowing that God is the Father alone......

deSika: 1. The invited persons already have the ability to create. [only The one God has the ability to create.all the other people you call god do not have an ability to create]

Who gave these invited persons the power to create??.......and may I ask why the persons who waited to be invited didn't invite the one doing the invitation first??.....

deSika: 2. The invited and the one doing the inviting are distinct, thats why he can say 'us'. Yet they are one thats why he says 'i' [if i asked you who created the universe, u would say the one true God, if i told you that there were many people that created the universe. You would say no. Now this is where the mystery lies. The one God is the same as the many people who created [nb: angels are not among the many people wu created, as they cant create]. So its not wrong for me to call the co-creators the one God.

You are wrong with your thinking......

If you agree that the one saying let us is different from the one(s) he is telling,and then run back to say they are one person then you have just entangled yourself in a web........

If I have ordered persons to work with me and at the end of it all I come out openly to say I DID it,that does not mean I and the persons who I bestowed with power to work alongside me are the same with me........

You can't squeeze peoples into the one God...Genesis in no way helps u.....

It is either you are saying Jesus and the holy spirit are the Father,then I can understand your plight.......

deSika: [the implication of saying that the invited persons are not one God is that, you would be saying that you were created by the one God and other beings who are not the one God. It would mean that the father does not have the right to say he is the only one that created the universe. It would mean that next time when you read where it is written that God says "i alone created the universe" you Ijawkid and truthislight can boldly say "o spiritbeing you are lieing, some other beings who are not one God also created the earth with you]

The Father has the sole right to say he created everything because it is from him all things came from,including Jesus......

Don't you dare open your mouth and say the Father does not have the right as the sole creator......

Say that again and I'll tell you Jesus himself had a beginning....

Rubbish,,,!!!!...

You think when paul penned down 1 corinthians 8:6 he was mad or something??.....

I gave an earlier example of forgivenees of sins...

1...Yahweh has the sole right to forgive sins..
2..Jesus forgives sins
3...We forgive sins...

But at the end of the day it is Yahweh the Father who forgives sins........

How does that make all of us the one God the Father......

benalvino: lol... so you are a God then your belle is your God... lmao you should understand how God says he didnt create any God...

Jesus is God by nature and you are not... the only thing you can take is title lol...

We are Gods by nature my brother........

That is why God called men with his own mouth God(s).....

Thank you.......

benalvino: let me ask you... is Zeus satan?
since zeus is said to be the god of thunder does it mean he wont be destroyed like you think satan will not be destroy... since truthislight give u useless definitions of idols?

And who said satan would not be destroyed??.....

Oboy no put words for my mouth o.......

Satan is the Fathers chief enemy..he would be destroyed for sure.......but angel gabriel,Jesus and all the rest angels ,along with humans who have been bestowed with power from God who are called God(s) would not be destroyed.....

benalvino: or are you saying because people worship them they will be destroyed ok...





did the idols ask people to worship them? can the idols or wood influence people? or is it satan that is influencing people to worship him through idols.

Satan ofcourse is the one turning the hearts of many to worship idols as there God(s) and to neglect the only one GOD the Father.......

And when satan does that he directs worship to himself in opposition to God the Father........

Please ask yourself if angel gabriel who is also powerful seeks and scambles for worship just as satan does??......meanwhile angel gabriel is God by nature....

benalvino: God says he will destroy any God that did not create the earth and heaven that is the fact that tells you that satan is an idol... they will all be burnt

God would not destroy Gods whom are Gods by virtue of the fact that they are a reflection of him or an image of him......

benalvino: didnt he say even if there are socalled gods they are idols?

My own is why didn't God just call the judges in isreal idols....

Gods are not only people that are worshipped as a deity or something......people with extreme power or authority are God(s) by nature........

benalvino: So let me say you are God but not idol... And the bible says if you are God and you didn't create the heaven and earth you will be destroyed... That seems like distruction to any god after all...

Chei.......

Were the people God used his mouth to call God(s) idols??........

Why should God pronounce other people as God(s)??.........

benalvino: But the title that is god is the idols... But the God that is God by nature is not a title can't you see the bible teaches that? That's why the idols will be destroyed all of them...

To be a god you must have authority over something... So what are you god over? The lions who kills people? What are you god over...

The word God is not synonymous with idol...

How do I make benalvino understand this point..........

I don die ooooo.......

Now he is asking me who or what am I God over.......

Smh!!!!!!.......

Ask God why he called the judges in isreal GOD(s)....

Please ask him......

Ask him oooooo..........

Why did call or pronounce those men as God(s)??........

Were they idols??......

deSika: unlike you i am seeing the whole sides of the cube, but you are seeing just a side of the cube and claiming that thats all there is to the cube. You are refusing to see the full picture.

Do you wonder why an 'us' creator becomes an 'i' creator

And since you are seeing the whole side of the cube kindly tell us that in genesis na 3 persons dey there.......

Oya....

And kindly open just one clear verse that says the one GOD is 3 persons.......

You have not been paying attention at all......

Have you wondered why the numerous persons who forgive sins turns out to be one person who forgives sins??.......

benalvino: That same God says if there are other socalled gods they are idol... Satan included dude... He says he will destroy them all several times

That's why am asking you why will God destroy everything since since you say everything na god and bible to tell you several times say God go destroy all. This na the one you no wan answer.

No matter how U carve stick worshipping it is worshipping Satan that is why Satan is the god period... He is the idol.

WHY WILL GOD DESTROY ALL GODS THAT DIDNT CREATE THE HEAVEN AND EARTH?

God won't destroy all Gods because not all God(s) are idols.......

You don hear??...........

And since the Father is also the God of this world,is he also an idol??.....

I want you to understand why satan is called the God of this world....

But your brain no dey gree grasp am.......

benalvino: We are talking about God not kings... This is a matter of one God.

Same God is mighty as U say Jesus is mighty... Who is the mighty God desika is talking about... Has the father reduced his rank to mighty now?

Tell me who the bible call mighty God apart from the father and son... Tell me someone else

and the ish here is the title.......

I just brought out a standing example........

Is nebuchadnezzar and Jesus the same??......

Is Jesus and the Father the same??........

Answer..........

benalvino: Are idols God? Satan is same idol you know that.

Jesus Yahweh and holyspirit are God by nature bible teach that... So how is Satan god if we are not referring to him as idol?

And the bible also says and made it clear that Yahweh is the God of the world and it went on and say no other God are the God of the world...

You dont build a doctrine on a single scripture man. Lol this is desperation oooooooooo

And aren't the angels God(s) by nature??......

What do you think qualifies one to be called a God or God??....

Isn't satan powerful enough to be called GOD??..........

Aren't spirit creatures Gods by nature...

Are you smoking something that can't make you think anymore??.........

Aren't we by nature Gods by virtue of the fact that we are the glory and image of GOD??.......

Paul never made a mistake when he called satan the GOD of this world........

Satan rules,he has power.........

He has supernatural powers.........

Isn't that kind of person a GOD??........

benalvino: Many persons are called god and the one God said they are not gods... Intact he says he will destroy anything that is god dont you get it?

Tell me if God will destroy me U and the rat as you see us as gods... That is the reason this thread is up.

Why will God destroy all gods that didn't create heaven and earth?

In fact ones you JW teach that Yahweh will destroy all gods.

And the one God himself and scriptures called them God(s)..........

You are just running around in circles...

You have already made your position known......

You call 3 people your God.....

Na ona dey find God the Father trouble......

Ona dey invite him anger.....and it would soon be unleashed on you guys......

deSika: good,we are getting there. You can call Jesus mighty God, now pls go to isaiah 10:21 and tell me who is mighty God there.

Daniel 2:36-37

36 “This was the dream, and now we will
interpret it to the king. 37 Your Majesty, you
are the king of kings. The God of heaven has
given you dominion and power and might and
glory;


___________________________

Nebuchadnezzar is called the King of Kings..........Jesus is also called the King of Kings.........

Are they the same persons or rather are they equal??........or should I be mistaking nebuchadnezzar for Jesus??.

I have once in this forum talked about what EL and Gibbor means....

But ona just no wan listen.......

2 corinthians 4:4


New Living Translation (©2007)
Satan, who is the god of this
world, has blinded the minds of
those who don't believe. They are
unable to see the glorious light of
the Good News. They don't
understand this message about
the glory of Christ, who is the
exact likeness of God.


We now have 2 people who are the God of this world ooo.........paul must have been on alomo to make this statement....

Let us all die of confusion and go to sleep since trinity no go allow some people think again...........

benalvino: This are same people who say Jesus is an angel but yet they can't show a verse that says that... Now asking for a verse that talks about the 3 gods lol double standard!!!

But Jesus was called angleos of the covenant.....didn't we point it out to you in some other thread??......

benalvino: If others were God and so... Why do they alter John 1:1 and get to Isaiah because they did not see almighty there they said no small or big letter God that Jesus is TRUE god but not almighty...

And did isaiah and john tell you Jesus is the one GOD to us??......

Read those verses and tell me who is your GOD.....

You would have to choose who your God is...

Is it the Father alone or some 3 persons??.........

benalvino: Biggest problem for them is that God says he will destroy all gods that didn't create the heaven and the earth...

Will he destroy everything then?

Since U say all living things and non living things are God plus invisible and visible...

We have answered this your question tire.......

Many persons are called Gods not because they created the world or because they are the Father or because they are even the God of people..........

I don tire for youuuuuuuuu.......

benalvino: Smh... Go and check the dictionary or bible to learn what idols are... Not only carved images are idols I can't believe you guys are saying this... Which gods that are carved in heaven?

The bible made it clear that the God of the world is Jehovah and there is non else.

And again the scriptures call satan the God of the world........

We now have 2 persons who are God of the world........

I want us to confuse ourselves since it is all you want.....

Let us confuse ourselves until we grow weary........

Since ona no wan move ahead.......

musKeeto:

So you just dey dodge me since?

Muskeeto my bro no vex.....you know say I been dey seriously engaged for some other pressing threads that's why I never holla at you..........

How u dey na??.....

Our one and only muskeeto.....the only muskeeto in the house.......

striktlymi: Hello Wiz,

You are indeed a funny dude...I will appreciate it if you would show us some quotes from sacred scriptures which proves without a shred of doubt that the items you mentioned e.g trousers, boxers etc are clothing for men...

Well, my guess is you won't find any verse to support you. But since you are so keen on wearing what pertains to your gender only then I will recommend that you get yourself some fig leaves cause this was the first form of clothing put on by a man:


Genesis 3:7
New International Version (NIV)

 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Oops! I forgot to mention that both the man and woman wore similar clothing then...now why is this so?...Hmmmm...

Strict....I dey go buy fig leaves with immediate effect......

Let's go back to status quo.....

Eneze1: that means women should not wear pants likewise, smh for some people shallow thinking

....

Chei I don die for laugh..............

truthislight: Jesus christ is Yahweh's master worker.

When Jesus had finished doing what the father had asked him to do, the father claimed he has done it.

Just like whatever a commisioner does is claimed by the goernor of the state.

Dont confused yourself.

They never understand what it means when someone acts with someones authority....

It is like saying that it is not God the Father who gets all the glory when sins are forgiven because we ourselves have been given the authority to forgive sins or not to forgive.....

deSika: your problem is that you are running with one scripture, thats your problem.
i hope you understand that we are saying that all those 3 are one God.

Those 3 can't be one GOD because not even a scripture supports it...

The one GOD is one person the Father....

You see that you are still deluded??....

Show us from the scripture where the one GOD to us is 3 persons and not the Father alone.....

Show us an expicit verse not jump around the title GOD.....

deSika: good, if they were many doing the creation, why did the person speaking not continually use we made you, we made you, why did he now say he alone created man. why the sudden change

he says let us go down then the next minute the bible says He went down. he says let us create, then next minute he says aand i made.

its all there all the answers you are looking for my friend. the 'us' is the same with the 'i'. that is why i say why i say the one God is an 'i' God yet he has an 'us' personality. he is 'i', he is 'us' also. are yu cleared

The reason is because the persons who are carrying out a job alongside the one GOD who sends the invitation are his agents.......

If God uses his spirit to help me preach about him all glory goes back to the one whom I worked for.......even when I myself took part in preaching all the glory and attention is directed to God the Father........

That is why God the Father remains the mosthigh over all.......

When God says let's go down,he obviously sends his representatives......

And when all is done,the glory goes back to the Father who initiates the invitation.....

Thoniameek: Not really...

I want this desika to know that the person doing the inviting is the Father and he is not a part of those being invited.....he remains distinct and the one GOD....

The Father sending out an invitation in no way makes the audience he is addressing equal to him......


Why can't trinitarians stick with the truth that the one God to us(with Jesus included) is the Father alone??...

Why try so hard to squeeze other persons into that position??.....

It is like me trying to force nnamadi sambo as the one president(Commander in chief of the armed forces) of nigeria alongside goodluck......

deSika: i didnt negate the father being the one God, you are the one failling to reason.
why does God say "llet us make" and then say "i made". did the persons reject his offer. the answer to that question is the answer you are looking for

Are your questions not trying to mislead u to disagree with the Father alone being the one GOD??....if you agree the one God is one person alone the Father and not 2 other added persons,why the dubious questions??.......

Are u trying to squeeze other persons into the Father??....eh??..