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Look a war just ended the institutions of these nations have been left in total disarray, someone had to come in and help, but the basic fact was that this nations had a choice, what was there choice, that they would adhere to the rule of nations and there countries would be rebuilt with all the help required, and in building nothing neccessary was denied them.

Now what is wrong with that?

What do you mean?

4 Play:
That is ironic as you have been yapping about broker states and neutral states when shown that history is littered with examples of states, whether voluntarily or otherwise, whose independent military capability has been severely restricted or non-existent.

The absence of an army is not incompatible with statehood.

But the absence of reasonable choice does.

Tayo-D:
@Ikomi,

From show me a State without a standing Army to show me a State which abolished its standing Army by its choice. The goal posts just keep changing. One wonders why the peace process will never move forward then.

Your case now seems pathethic, must you gain my attention.  

4 Play:
Costa Rica is not a sovereign state because it has no army.

Dont stoop too low now otherwise you will loose me, I hate it when people argue for the sake of it.

Costa Rica, which translates literally as "Rich Coast", was the first country in the world to constitutionally abolish its army

Now that is a choice.

I gave you an example, every state has a police, but still an individual has the right to a door, either for safety or privacy, if you decide to bring it down, I dont think the police would arrest you for that, and if you decide to raise it up again its still your choice.

What we are saying here is that Isreal has no right to dictate to this people.

4 Play:
@Ikomi

For your suggestion to be accurate, Israel will have to occupy this Palestnian state and run its military. Which begs the question, why have a military if it's a mere offshoot of the Israeli military?

America did not ''broker'' peace with Germany so I don't see why have introduced the idea of a broker.

Isreal does not have to occupy Palestine and run its military that is what the people have been against, there could be some neutral forces that would help train and equip Palestinian army, and ensure no Isreali army is within the relinquished territory. Otherwise this is exactly what disrupted the first peace agreement, an Isreali soldier took it upon himself to walk into a mosque and massacre 48 Palestinians, it was later revealed there was no immediate other to stop Isreali soldiers from such attempt.

Tayo-D:
@Ikomi,
Oh you are making so much sense naa? That others prod your mind to explore issues beyond the area you are willing to consider sure always invite insult from you. Should all nations be giving nuclear weapons because the US possess them?
The Vatican City is a sovereign State by itself without a standing Army. A Palestinian State will have to prove itself to be a peaceful neighbour beofre Isreal can allow a standing Army. This is a unique situation that requires a unique solution. It's time to think outside the box.

This is the problem I always have with you, you see where you have gone now how in the world does that relate. When I talk you say its an insult.

4 Play:
. . . . . because Germany and Japan chose to have the US run their military?  

Sense of self-defense? Their military was a mere adjunct of the occupying forces.

The comparison is very apt because like the Arabs, the Axis powers waged a war of annihilation which they lost. The victorious nations imposed a peace borne out of pragmatism. They were not wedded to naive notions of preserving the losing nations' sovereignty at all cost. That peace involved severely emasculating the former Axis powers' military capabilities for decades and counting.

But look again at your own comparison, the Americans had the foresight to still allow Germany an army, the overseer was mainly planted so that they would not have to do Normandy all over again.

Now why not Isreal use the same foresight, leave west bank, let Palestinians have an army and let the nation that brokered the peace oversee the area, what is wrong with that?

But they have not even agreed to leave west bank, and they have placed a condition even an individual living anywhere in the world would not agree to.

A typical example every state has a police, but every individual still has the right to a door, for his own privacy or security whichever matters most to him.

RichyBlacK:
Comparing the defeated Axis powers of WWII with a future Palestinian State is a shameless attempt at derailing this debate!

I think its an intelligent attempt, at least he brought up a realistic oppossing example which I quite appreciate

4 Play:
What are you on about? The Germans and the Japanese were more than capable of rebuilding themselves without American help. West Germany had an army that was subordinated to the occupying powers, this is to say nothing about East Germany. If you are alright with that scenario, the new Palestinian state could have an army provided they are run by the IDF with tens of thousands of occupying Israeli troops.

There you go it had an army the surbodinate or the overseer should then be left for Palestianians to choose, but give it that fundamental sence of capability of self defence. Then we all know we have a state in terms of a state.

Tayo-D:
@Richy and Ikomi,

Is having an Army more important than having a State?

They've had an army all along (militants some will say), but no State. If the sole aim is a State, why is the existing of an Army necessary?

You have never made sense to me and with the way your going no matter how hard you try it does not seem you ever will.

Show me one state without its own army, and define sovereignty. Then you would have answered yourself.

davidylan:
Notice how Ikomi and Richie sidestep EVERY rational example they are giving only to cling ever tighter to their emotional drivel.

The example 4play gave was after world war II Japan and Germany have been reduced to rubbles, and we all know he who plays the piper dictates the tune, rebuilding Germany and Japan was left to the Americans, and still after all Hitler did there was nothing said about a demilitarized Germany, they still had an army.

presido1:
Are u thinking what am thinking? Ikocrazy ome give us gist abeg.

With the way am acting as a mediator odimka oga emekwa eme.

RichyBlacK:
How am I going to get some of that thing you're smoking? Seriously!

If that question was posed to that 1964 Zombie, it would have been effective. I think he grows it in his backyard.

4 Play:
If a nation is belligerent, its neighbors can rightfully insist on limitations to its military capabilities. History offers examples of this.

Prime examples, Germany and Japan had limitations on their military. If Palestinians' intentions are entirely peaceful, it would be more welcoming of this proposal. Palestinians would rather acquire weapons than acquire books or medicine

Limitations yes, non-existent is another thing. Iran must not have a Nuclear weapon, is a limitation, but not non-existent of a military force.

davidylan:
Have you EVER read the HAMAS or Hezbollah charters? There is NO reference there about fighting for a state . . . even the PLO charter of 1964 RENOUNCED sovereignity of the Westbank to Jordan . . . pls read it folks and stop making flippant comments.

That must be the only thing u've read in your whole entire life. Honestly. Always 1964.

@Agaba, Romeo

You might not agree with sugarbellies idea, I myself dont really agree with it, but we should also appreciate the fact that she must have put in a lot of work into this, to simply discard it as crap or nonsence simply put, is unfair.

@Sugarbelly
For a project to be viable it must have a social benefit, in other that many would accept it and economic benefit to sustain it.

You hope to write Igbo with this new alphabets, I can assure you the Igbo man been so traditional and rigid as he is, half of them would immediately discard this idea, which Agaba(isi ukwu) and Romeo(onye iwe) has demonstrated. So you can see the social benefit is loosing balance.

Economical to write books in this new letters do you how many printing machines that would need to be overhauled.

For a start go to Intel tell them you need a new keyboard for a new set of letters, the first question would be what is the market base. In other words what number of people are willing to spend money to cahnge there laptops and computers for this new letters.

Its a long shot, but honestly I admire your work, if it were in war times, people like you are quite needed to invent codes to communicate such that the enemy can not read the message, but as you yourself noted those days are gone. Now we use computer encryption to pass messages.

One last example, imagine an old woman in the corner of a village, who has depended on her old Igbo bible that she reads and it gives her joy, and then someone from the city goes to her and say, mama we found a new way of writing Igbo. If she offered you a cup of water to drink before you told her the whole new story, she would tell you not to finish that water, that she thinks you should leave.

Look its a great idea, but you just cant sweep the carpet of people feet just like that, what you experienced in here with Agaba and Romeo is just natural and more will come.

debosky:
Netanyahu's proposal is nonsense - he simply said what he did out of American pressure. If Palestine is a state, leave it to them to decide whether to be militarised or not.

T[b]hen treat them the same way Lebanon is treated - bomb any aggressors using their territory.[/b] That doesn't mean the new state should not have the right to arm itself should it decide to do so. If Shahab missiles are the threat, why isn't Israel asking for a demilitarized Lebanon as well? You cannot decide for another country - that is not sovereignty.

PS - This discussion on 'bringing to her knees' or otherwise is redundant. At best, it is a case of hyperbole/wrong usage of expression. Let's be less pedantic and discuss substance.

Straight up, when Isreal did it to Hezzbollah, everyone agreed they have the right to defend Isreal, so if Lebanon can not control Hezzbollah whatever they get from Isreal they have brought upon themselves.

@Elrazur
That post was not totally meant for you, the person its meant for knows himself. Nothing comes out of his mouth but stench.

ElRazur:
I was going to take you serious until I saw that. What an ignorant thing to say.

The boy talks nonsence, he did not even talk about the reason why rockets started coming from Gaza.

Rockets started coming from Gaza because in the 1993 peace accord it was said that Isreal should also whitdraw from west bank, but it only witdrew from Gaza and kept the better half which is west bank, which has better soil and therefore yields good farm products.

Natanyahu has been reminded that settlement should be stopped in west bank, he is saying that natural settlement should be allowed to florish. He knows that Isrealites have more economic power than palestinians so if natural growth should be allowed, then Isrealites would just aquire more land.

And moreso we know palestinians without a military, what force watches over the intrest of the Palestinians. The UN forces would at most look at some Injustice and turn the other way. The UN forces did that in Rwanda and also in Dafur. How are we sure they wont do the same thing in Palestine.

The boy talks rubbish, its unfrotunate he came to post here, I was expecting sound views.

How does it enforce the law?

How does it protect its people?

How does it protect itself form foreing threat?

How does it protect its borders?

How does it work?

sugabelly:
@Agaba

I did not pronounce ogu as OOH GOO

I wrote it as OH GOO


secondly, this means of representing pronunciation is used all over the world in addition to the phonetic alphabet. It's used mostly informally but this is a forum so hey.

You are the one that is not understanding.

How would he understand when his fundamentals of Igbo is faulty.  In other words "onwere ajoo fault"

agabaI23:
So the other european languages you speak are spanish and fresh which are one of the most adulterated. The purer ones are not even in your armament.

Borrowing is borrowing even if you borrow from ngwa to make up for the deficiencies of anambra Igbo.

Now go ahead and ivent new word to make the language less bland or remove blandness totally, but you can only improve on the central Igbo we have. Forget about a new way of writing Igbo.

When I saw your proposed new alphabet, I wondered if you think we are Arabs? Now that you said that you can speak Arabic, i see that you have been influenced by arabic drawing of the same letters we know. lol

@Sugarbelly

Dont listen to Agaba123, his ex three wives died of mysterious death. Now his trying to kill your idea.

@Richyblack

How did u become the moderator of the same thread you make a mess of. Why should you type in with such large fonts just to bring up what has already been posted.

Okwa unu ahuna ya, kama Osisi gaa abia nodi ebe ah muta Igbo, odee otu line ogba pu, but abia na nnke ndi alakuba odeee one page. Onwere onye nna agbam na osisi wu taliban sef.  

ifyalways:
lol,Pres si na ndi uwe oji ji gi aka  Plus,a hurm GC somewhere ,same with nnenne 

Ihuru ha? I kele kwara ha?

@Sugabelly
Well seems like you have done your research. My idea came from the fact that my Igbo is so poor,  so I thought if there was an online dictionary it would have helped me a great deal.

Although I have no problem in speaking my dialect Olokoro, its the others I have a problem with. I have done a few compilation, from books, I just need to add the voice and be sure its well pronounced, and also I have wriiten the online code, at least the rudimentary.

But like I said I shall join the groups and see what I can contribute, as long as we dont loose the original.

ifyalways:
Ikommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmi,ole ebe i no?

Nne how now, nne ole gi now or nne how ugbua. Ke otu isri choo ya?

Anom ya.

First I commend you for the work you have done, you have demonstrated vision and love for Igbo language. Although it is very true that Igbo is incomplete, based on the fact that there are new technologies and geography which the founders of the language had no idea of and has no words for, so it is with other languages even English but they have carefully made a combination of words or borrowed from other languages. However my idea was to have a collection of all Igbo words from all dialects, then there could be a clear view of where there are shortages, then this could be well provided for. The major problem with people writing in Igbo is not mainly because the Igbo language is incomplete its because some lack the basic knowledge, others lack the patience to get a book and learn the language.

I have seen bibles written in Igbo, the Jehova witness have done there best to come up with words to explain situations that has no expression in Igbo. Re - written Igbo language is like knocking of the old while trying to please the youths.

But honestly I would still want to hold on to the original.

With all that said I shall join the groups and make my contribution.

I have read your blog I tried to leave a comment, seems I have to join to leave a comment, well for some reason its not accepting my comment.

sugabelly:
Hi everyone, part of my Ndebe project is to compile the most comprehensive Igbo dictionary on the planet and I need everyone's help. The plan for this dictionary is to include as many Igbo dialects as possible because there is no "RIGHT" way of speaking Igbo. Everyone's dialect is just as important as the next person's. I personally do not believe in Central Igbo and I believe that everyone should be free to speak and write their OWN dialect, but that it is important that the education of Igbo children include lessons targeted at enabling Igbo children to recognize the same word in a different dialect so that comprehension is not impeded.

Here is a sample entry in the dictionary (NOTE, what I am about to write might not be correct, this is just to give you an idea of things k?)

ADVICE: Ndumodo (O); Ndumodu (A); Ndumode (I)

where O= Onitsha, A = Akwa, I = Ikwerre, and so on ( I hope you get the idea)

This project is going to be INCLUSIVE of everybody. So if you could please visit the project blog http://ndebe..com and let me know in the comments what dialect you speak so that we can start compiling an accurate list, that would be so helpful. Thanks.

Am in. I would need to write you a mail, av been working on same thing.

But instead of the idea of Ndumodo (O); Ndumodu (A); Ndumode (I)
where O= Onitsha, A = Akwa, I = Ikwerre, and so on ( I hope you get the idea)

Am using recorded voice, which also says what dialect it is.

My idea was meant to be an online Igbo dictionary. Listen baby am in.

I knew we would get somewhere with this.

Ndia ga emebi kwa threadia ooohhhhhhh.

@Sugabelly

Isi na ina ede gini? Alifabet igbo nke di adi gini mere ya? Ehnnn Sugabelly.

Ndia ji kwa aka ojuo ooohh.

Túdor:
@O.P
Islam commands them to kill for allah who loves blood (he prolly needs it to get fat). They've done just that for centuries it's now in their DNA. They'll kill ANYBODY even their own families. . . .

Túdor:
If you can't answer the question get the hell out!
This isn't health section where you give help

So you want us to take that as an answer?