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@JeSoul

Bring a full written speech, and u bring up that piece of news that has always been used for propanganda for people who never search for the truth.

Look I dont like it when people can't answer a simple question.

Alhamadinajad has never given a speech in English, he speaks in Arabic, get one of these speech where he called for Genocide against Isreal in Arabic, lets translate it ourselves, if u are right then u shall earn your first penny.

JeSoul if  western propaganda is what u can come up with u are never going to earn your first penny afterall.

Let me give you a hint, do you know Almahadinajad is a Proffessor in science and a head of state, so dont think he is just an opportuned fool that was picked of the streets, and talks nonsence.

JeSoul when you get that full written speech, and we translate it ourselvels to find out if the man called for Genocide against Isreal. I promise you I shall send you your first dollar, not a penny.

JeSoul:
are you serious? If I had a penny for everytime this has happened I'd be a billionaire - in US Dollars.

Start with ur first penny, go and bring up a full speech where Alhamadinajad or the spritual leader called for Genocide against Isreal.

JeSoul:
and No2A/Stimulus/Sysuser with this your disdain towards the 'white man' does this mean I have to dump my 'white' boy?

Thats exactly what they are saying, or u might be looted, if u have'nt been.

Tudór:
Only a lunatic calls for a nation and her people to be wiped off the map.

This is a very ignorant statement.

Show a speech by Almhadinajad, or Iranian spiritual leader that called for genocide against the Isrealis?

Tudór:
Iran is a Terrorist state and its leaders have severally advocated for the destruction of israel.

Even in the US where its your constitutional right to bear arms psychos and mentally ill patients aren't afforded that right.

So who diagnosed Iran to Psycho or mentally ill?

ifyalways:
i so missed u,your stories

Did u? I knew u will, my going to Afghanistan was to make u jealous too.

Someone should tell me why Iran has no right to poses nuclear weapon if India, Pakistan, Isreal and North Korea could acquire nuclear weapons after the treaty. Why is Iran's case different.

No one should tell me Iran is a terrorist state, is it more of a terror than Isreal?

ifyalways:
Ikommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmi
Ikomi ,ole ebe i si daputa?a jurum Pres ajuju gi,he said some Afgan babe took u hostage owu ezie ?

Owu kpa long story, I kid u not.

Agara'm marriage na Afghan oooohhhhhh, actually what should have been a peaceful wedding between mu na nwa Afghan.

On the wedding day, which was scheduled to hold under a tent, ihe anyi nukpara wu ggggbbbbboooossssaaaa. Over what should have been the sound of singing and dancing. Bombu, Ike ahhhggggg gbum. I was ssoooooo gutted.

Well all is history now, the bride and her family were waiting for me under that tent, I was just a few meters away mgbe iha mere.

Anyway hapu story, keeeeee kwanu. E di available, kanyi kwa uka?

There are 2 kinds of people,

Those who see things as they are and ask why.

Those who dream of things that are not and ask Ynot.

Osisi Why ikpe gi alum? 

Umuigbo ekelem unu. 

Ifyalways, ekene na udochukwu diri gi. 

dayokanu:
You mean you are/were not in Medical College of Georgia Augusta and your first name aint Rita?

Then my instincts are wrong then. I apologise

You are very wrong, okay if you are very sure whats not her surname? 

pres-elect:
i dont think that nigerian govt knows this. . . not even the foreign office in abuja knows this . . i guess

well, no be these same almajiris say xtians are no good. . . . well. . . pity he was beheaded. i only hope this mess will stop. . . but again these are side effects of a nationless people.

this is what happens when a nation ignores its youth. . . . . how many nigerians are trapped in death row in fishy countries? . . . .

when the youth are abandoned . . . . emigration . . . illegal immigrants . . . . dirty jobs . . . . prison . . . etc . . etc . . etc

Enyi gi nwanyi ahu kwanu? Nke ahu ina emekeri agree with?

$osisi:
How many Americans or Britons has Saudi beheaded?
They know these countries care for their citizens and would come down hard on them if they as much as detained their citizens without probable cause.
They know we have a mumu non government
That's why a Nigerian citizen can be slaughtered in Saudi and Libya and there's no outrage and severance of ties with these places.

As the point is clearly stated, what do you think we can do about it? Eehhhnnn Omoge.

davidylan:
how did any of this address the issue at stake?

You are as daft as a brush.

How would someone who has no basic knowledge of a subject be able to make any concrete contribution to it?

First you no nothing about the ottoman empire and you argue over a subject that has something to do with it. Am sure soon you would not only ask me about the Ottoman Empire, you would ask me what continent Turkey is?

Secondly you talk about things that clearly describes someone who is zig zagging just to keep a debate on, and obviously show his own ignorance. For example, you talk about Jim Crow law in the middle east and I ask you what that has to do with the middle east.

Thirdly reading most of your post does not show a man who is knowledgeable enough to go against authority, it better portrays an idiot.

Last but not the least you make false claims. Point me to anywhere at all, where it says that there are families in the area in dispute, who are happily paying rents to the Isrealis, and you have not done that.

Davidylan the fear of God is the begining of wisdom, the respect of authority is the begining of knowledge, for God himself placed those in authority there.

But you have clearly shown lack of respect for authority and their opinion - not on facts but false claims - and so that automatically makes you a fool.

Dont you get it?

pres-elect:
i agree with u here to an extent. but let me say this, america's primary goal as far as foreign policy is concerned, is their selfish interest. if they do some good in the process, then all well and good, if not, they'll do it anyway. but i dont complain, they have done some good in the process. and which country is better anyway?

Odim ka I chutala nwanyi?

davidylan:
Is turkey the ottoman empire? Why dont you go ask the british to give you the documents for the land your greatgrandfather bought. fools . . . its only Israel that has to go that extra extra mile that no one else is forced to do.

Nigerians need no proof to show they own their land as they have never said they bought it from anyone, Nigerians found their land, thats the difference you idiot.

Look at a man that does not even know his history claiming he knows more than organised bodies, and individuals that have paid their dues to make it to high positions in life. I have asked who your are let others, and not me be the Judge, if you are good enough to question the Judgement of the nations, people and organization that has spoken against the unjust action of Isreali hardliners.

You have utter lack of respect for authority, organisations, individuals and even your motherland.

If this forum was to be censored idiots like you and that frog, Tayo-D will have no place here.

Because a lizard has a tail and can crawl that does not still make it a crocodile.

When men start earning a few dollars cleaning toilets they usually think they have arrived. Thats your case, Nigerians are nothing just because you live in the US, and we are not very sure of that either. 

Beast of no nation. Fela said it.

I tire. 

bootycall:
@Ikomi,how do i meet you?where is the PM button when you need it? 

Le kwanu blessing, eeeooohhhhhh chi muuuooooooooo.

Eeeeeeooooooohhhhhh owu otua ka chukwu si aza ekwere. Am inspired. 

presido1:
Hez in Afgani PM anaghi eru dat side.

Yeah just need to sort those Talibans out, but ad be back in the UK in a few hours time.

Whats your location?

bootycall:
@agada 123,Go to hell.Shameless he-goat.You are very stupid.come push me out now,lemme me see.
anu mpam.

GBAM.

_{Agaba hapu oohhh, onye na nke ya. lol.}

davidylan:
Again this is of NO RELEVANCE. Do you even think through what you post? The only thing in your "story" is that those who are doing the "protesting" are jews. On WHAT FACTS are they protesting? That the Israeli claim to Sheikh Jarrah isnt valid or Jews have no rights to claim rent from 2 arab families when 26 others are complying?

What utter garboil . . . take a look at your own quote:

2. This makes no sense . . . if the larger plan is to Judaize the area then why evict only 2 families and leave 26 behind? Why then is FATAH calling for East Jerusalem as its capital to be ENTIRELY FREE OF JEWS? Why did Jordan purge occupied East Jerusalem of Jews between 1949 and 1967? when the UN was busy dashing "palestinians" occupied Israeli land why werent they crying?

4. Does Maher have ANY PROOF to claim the land as his own? If he knew the documents were false why didnt he present his case in court since 1982? Why did his lawyer and 26 other families not take this up with the law?

6. That is not the issue, where is Maher's proof of ownership of Sheikh Jarrah?

7.  The "other palestinian land claims" is not the issue here but Sheikh Jarrah . . . where is Maher's proof?

You're being silly. How were the documents a forgery? Where is your proof? Even Maher, born on that land isnt sure and you sitting in your village in Nigeria make a bold statement?

1. That wasnt "Jordanian" soil. The fact that you try to make this lie exposes the duplicity of these idiots.

2. It takes less than 8 hrs to drive from one end of Israel to the other you fool.

Look at your answer, its either irrelevant, no issue or stupid. Everything that anyone says, be it of that of people in high position, of people directly affected, it is irrelevant, no issue or stupid.

So I ask what is your real name lets know who you are, how many negotiations your involved in, to justify this your almighty view that all low and high must adhire to.

I cant continue with you I asked you to make intelligent comment and you want me to follow up on the nonsence you have written up there.

According to Davidylan:

To hell with what the UN spokesman has to say, its irrelevant.

The US condemnation of Isreal is no issue, afterall Davidylan was there before even the US formed its intelligence unit.

Ohh is it the British Goverment, their view is stupid, how can they condem Isreal, Davidylan knows more about the creation of the Isreali state than the British that saw it through.

What proof do the Palestinians have to say the Ottoman documents of the Isrealis are false - even when turkey says they dont have any copy of such documents - as we all know Davidylan keeps his own copies.

To hell with the Palestinian families they deserve no right, Davidylan was the middleman during the sale and purchase of the land in dispute.

Ooh the UN claims is no issue, they dont know how they got the land they used in building homes for the refugees, Davidylan knows more than the UN officials.

So I ask who is Davidylan this wonderful guy that the UN, US, UK, Arab website and Neutral websites, and Private blogs, is not good enough for, apart from only one evidence which he gave and is only a sign of clear propaganda by the Isreali Govt, is what is perfect.

Conclusion: Davidylan is a Rogue.

davidylan:
This is NOT TRUE. You got it from an arab/palestinian website (yeah we expect them to tell the truth about Jews!) and have not been able to provide us any credible source for this fraud. If this is true then why are 26 out of 28 families paying rent to the Jewish landlords? Why did the lawyer for the palestinians refuse to challenge the validity of the Israeli claims in court as far back as 1982?

This is why I say your views are not balanced it is not true only because it came from what you think is an Arab/Palestinian website.

Well how about this:

Some Israelis vehemently disagree with their government's policy in Sheikh Jarrah. Two of them are professors Yaron Ezrahi and Ruth HaCoheh, a couple who came down the hill from a conference at nearby Hebrew University to visit with the Palestinians families and sit with other visitors empathetic to their plight.

"It's going on under our noses, so how can we not come? We find it outrageous," says Prof. Ezrahi, a political scientist who has been a frequent critic of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians. "These kinds of actions destroy the moral fabric of our society."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0804/p06s12-wome.html

Now in this other quote read the lines I highlight carefully, take your time to think about it, dont rush to post, even if it takes you a month to peruse about it, its okay, just make sure you take your time.

In 1956, the UN and the Jordanian government (who controlled east Jerusalem at that time) resettled 28 Palestinian refugee families, including Maher’s parents, in Sheikh Jarrah. Maher himself was born in the home in 1958.

During the 1967 war, Israel conquered and annexed east Jerusalem. The eviction of the Hannoun and al-Ghawe families seems to be part of a larger political plan to Judaize the area. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz verified the plan when they quoted from a 2004 letter from Jerusalem mayor Lupolianski to the Housing Ministry in which he supported this policy, stating: “zoning the (east Jerusalem) neighborhood for a Jewish population is likely to contribute significantly to the unification of the city.”

The plan has been ongoing. Back in 1972, two Israeli settler associations registered the land in Sheikh Jarrah with the Israeli Land registrar. The settler associations provided documents from the Ottoman era to back their claim of ownership. A complex and protracted legal battle ensued, with the Israeli court system supporting the settler associations’ claim, though the Hannoun family and their current lawyer strongly dispute the authenticity of the documents.

“The Ottoman documents are false, but even if they were real,” Maher said, “there are so many Palestinians who have proof of ownership of their homes and villages from before 1948!” I understood the point he was trying to make; Jewish claims to pre-1948 land ownership were being upheld. But Palestinian land claims were not given any legitimacy.

http://worldfocus.org/blog/2009/08/05/more-than-50-palestinians-evicted-from-jerusalem-homes/6614/

Now I have asked you earlier, when King David fought the Cannanites and the Philistines, who were the people thrown of there land, you could not answer me.

And then I put it to you again, if we are to go back to pre dates and everyone decides to claim there true lands before 1948, would there be areas in either Isreal or Jerusalem that belonged to Palaestinians that Jews now live in?

But Isreali hardliners always think they are wise in their own eyes, bringing in forgeries of tabu - which you dont believe they are forgeries only because it comes from Isreal.

Okay lets assume that all the documents are not forgeries as you and your liars would want to make us believe. I shall ask you one last question which I want you to answer in honesty.

Could their have been enough land to build new homes for these new Jewish settlers rather than evicting Palestinians from a home built for them by the UN, on Jordanian soil - at that time - just for the sake of peace.

Finally I have not seen this your claim that there are families happily paying rents or this disputed neighbourhood.

Tayo-D:
@Ikomi,
Must we blame MSNBC for refering to the ethnoreligious group even though they later made the distinction betwen the faith and the ethnicity in the same article?

Tayo-D:
Again, if you had followed and understood the links you posted, you'll realise that the references were to ethnoreligious groups. You should try to read sometimes, okay?

Your problem is not only lack of understanding it has something to do with English as well. 

I cry for you.

The term ethnoreligious (or ethno-religious) refers to an ethnic group of people whose members are also unified by a common religious background.

Must I spell it out for you. 

My last post on this subject though, its like playing chess with a dabbler, it makes the game boring.

Ayathollah Ikomi. What non-sence, is that inventive?

Please stop coming to threads where am engaged in reasonable discussions, like I told you from the start its a distraction.

Tayo-D:
But I'm having a ball seing you self-destruct here on nairaland.   The more you try to justify yourself, the more you are revealed as the intellectual fraud that you are - Ayahtollah Ikomi the Olodo! 

Now I understand where you are coming from, enemies.

Go and draw your own map and put up that non-sence you wrote up there lets see how many persons would agree with you.

I never knew am making enemies for expressing my clear sincere views.

LoL. Ikomi has Nairaland enemies. 

davidylan:
I dont need to . . . those are facts that are easy to confirm.

But why do you find it hard to answer the question,

Why was it that when they went to turkey to look for the claim of the Isrealis that this land was truly purchased from the Ottoman Empire nothing was found, except the registration at the Isreali land Registra of 1972?

If your facts are straight, but you keep going in circles. At least that is underlying reason for the dispute.

Tayo-D:
We are going to see who the fool is now.
So because of that phrase, you conclude that a Shiite is a member of an ethnic group? I can see that not only do you lack a fundamental knowledge of the Middle East, you do not understand the use of English as well.

Here is a quote from the following article http://www.idop.org/map.pdf 'Historically Christian ethnic minorities at risk of genocide.'. If we are to go by your lack of understanding, we will conclude then that Christians are part of an ethnic group and not members of a particular faith. Do you see your stupidity now? Who is the fool?

A Shiite is a member of a faith in Islam and not an ethic group. The msnbc article only indicated that the particular ethnic group in question (the Shabak) are mainly Shiites by their faith. If you had read and understood the article you quoted, you would have found that out yourself. But of course, only fools like you regurgitate issues they have no clue about.

Repeat after me Ikomi. I, Ikomi, presently known as Ayahtollah Ikomi is the undisputed fool of nairaland!

Reasoning has always been beyond you. While gaining my attention has been your priority on this thread. Although I have done my best to ignore you but as you are foolishly hard driven by ignorance you would not stop coming.

And I shall stop there with you as you cannot not reason.

Look at the idiot talking about Shabak. At least I have added to your knowledge by pointing you to the website.

Tayo-D please leave me alone, I dont have time for chronic idiots. As simple as that :-

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/10/distribution-ethnic-groups-iraq-0

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Iraq_ethno_2003.jpg

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/iraq_ethnoreligious_1992.jpg

Iraqis appear to agree on having a strong central government, and large majorities among all ethnic groups (Shias, Arab Sunnis, and Kurds) want the government to get rid of the militias.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/168/36287.html

davidylan:
Oh you admit East Jerusalem belonged to Israel anyway? so we can conclude that Israel taking it back in 1967 was NOT an occupation like you fraudulent trolls claim?

You cant get your facts straight.

Tayo-D:
@David,

You dey try o. Na by force to educate people? You should know those who will never allow facts to get in the way of their argument.

Ayahtolah Ikomi is one to not be argued with even in the face of glaring facts. The self-described expert on Middle East matters claimed in an earlier exchange that a Shiite is a member of a tribe in Iraq. How do you argue with someone like that?

Another fool on the loose

A double truck bombing tore through the village of a small Shiite ethnic minority near the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, while nine blasts wracked Baghdad Monday in a wave of violence that killed at least 48 people and wounded more than 250, Iraqi officials said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32354338/ns/world_news-conflict_in_iraq

davidylan:
2. What "facts" are you talking about? The FACT that the Jews, unlike those 2 hopeless illegal arab families, actually showed DCOUMENTED PROOF of their ownership of the land? what did the arabs bring? Lots of emotions and tears to a land that even they admit was only a refugee camp in 1956 and technically BELONGED to Israel as it was annexed illegally in 1949?

Finally the truth from an idiot.

davidylan:
2. Lets assumed it even happened, why are Israelis not entitled to go look for proof of land ownership? If the arabs were the ones with the valid papers bought since 1880 would you disregard it in favour of jews? foolish hypocrite.

Why make assumptions when there are facts on ground for you to work with.

davidylan:
1. your link is odd . . . using an arab-palestinian link to prove an Israeli case? What a dolt.

It goes to show how balanced your views are, the UN spokes person condems Isreal, the US condems Isreal, the UK condems Isreal, only you and your lying friends sees Isreal as right, without any justification, everything else that does not agree with your view is odd.

2. The link claims that the original documents from Turkey were not found (no proof of course!) . . . YET the lawyers representing the arabs DID NOT protest the validity of the Jewish claims to the land since 1982? YET 26 out of 28 families continue to pay RENT to the jewish owners?

Yes they did not protest, I know you were there in the court and witnessed all the proceedings, idiot.

But they had the nerves to go look for archives, like I said the other 28 families sent you a telegraph to confirm that they are happily paying rents. Idiot.

davidylan:
Where did you get this piece of idiocy? Do you have links to prove this actually happened to the Jews in question? They presented their documents to the court and the "palestinians" NEVER challenged their claims SINCE 1982!

Resulting to insults when you cannot answer a question is foolish.

I thought you said you have done a lot of research on the issue, so you dont know that there were investigations to assert the claims of the Isrealis and nothing was found.

And you kept crying Substatial Evidence. Idiot

Later you would say to hell with UN spokes persons. Thats a good sign of disrespect, I cant expect much from you though when you dont even have any respect for your motherland.

http://www.imemc.org/article/61265

Stop trying to evade a question starring you in the face.

Why was it that when they went to turkey to look for the claim of the Isrealis that this land was truly purchased from the Ottoman Empire nothing was found, except the registration at the Isreali land Registra of 1972?

I know you would always accept your lies and propaganda compared to the truth.

Why was it that when they went to turkey to look for the claim of the Isrealis that this land was truly purchased from the Ottoman Empire nothing was found, except the registration at the Isreali land Registra of 1972?

And if they claim that the Palestinians are not the original owners of this land, why purchase a land if it was truly yours and your fathers lived in it.

Its like the South Africans saying to the Boers, the South African land is ours we bought it from the Ethiopians, that immediately makes them not the original dwelllers of the land.

Are u daft? 

The Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood in East Jerusalem was built by the UN and Jordanian government in 1956 to house Palestinian refugees from the 1948 war.

With the the start of the Israeli occupation of East Jerusalem, following the 1967 war, settlers began claiming ownership of the land the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood was built on. Stating that they had purchased the land from a previous Ottoman owner in the 1800s, settlers claimed ownership of the land.

They only laid claims after Isreali Occupation. Bougth lands from Ottoman Empire indeed.

In 1972, settlers successfully registered this claim with the Israeli Land Registrar.

So why did they not register it with the Ottoman empire, they had to wait for a state to be created in 1948 and only registered it in 1972 after 1948 invasion.

The lawyer of the Sheikh Jarrah families went to Turkey to find these documents proving the settler’s landownership in the Ottoman Archives. The Ottomans were well known for neatly documenting all important events, stored by date. The original of the document that the settlers base their claims upon was not to be found in the archives.