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LordReed:
He used it and he is gonna use it. Can you answer the question now?

Human wars are senseless and about humans. God's war is judgment, there would be no long thing. He will destroy them with the sword of His mouth, no contest. Nothing like Zelensky and Putin struggles.
Still it is not His will but it is what is going to happen. Imagine if you didn't want to fight with your daughter or friend but she kept hitting you on the face with a bat. You will probably resist or fight back. You don't want to fight but she asked for it and you were hardly left a choice. The will and plan of God is to establish righteousness and peace on God's Earth and that will be done when Jesus Christ comes again. It will be done whether the world likes it or not. Obviously, your colleagues don't seem to want it peacefully so far.

LordReed:
What you did was not answer my questions. Lemme repeat them: If war is not the god's will why does he keep using it? Who is forcing the god to use war?

How can He keep using it if He's hardly involved in it for over 2022 years? The sentences don't add up.

MaxInDHouse:
There are no Christians involved in the WARS!

Statistics written in your hallways are irrelevant. Or do you have the Book of life excel sheet on your phone to come to this conclusion?

Jesus' orders are as follows:

©When people are agitating over politics and some politicians are trying to instigate his disciples against their fellowman:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you! Matthew 5:43-44

You just copied and pasted from 1961 Awake without thinking. i told you yesterday to get your brain back from the hallway today and start using it. Jesus wasn't talking about politics or politicians in Matthew 5:43-44. This refers to every human being and their personal enemies. Your mother in law, your colleague that you are jealous of, your friend that backstabbed you etc.

©When we notice there is conflict between politicians and both side have supporters ready to kill one another:

“However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her! Luke 21:20-21

Again, Jesus was answering questions posed to Him by His disciples about the end time. It was nothing to do with conflict between politicians. Get that brain bros.

©How should we view our neighbours either in the same place or far away lands?

The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:31


©What about our brothers (fellow Christians) in other lands?

I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:34-35

"This is my commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you" John 15:12

This is God's commandment for everyone to love. It says nothing about a cult organization that are more of a nuisance to their neighbors.

From all the above it's evident that there is no TRUE CHRISTIAN involved in the wars but it's a pity that even when they come to our doors to teach us these things most people mock and drive away Jesus' modern day disciples due to their former indoctrination.

Well they are globally known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

There is no link in the verses quoted and serving as a soldier. You can't just quote verses and interprete them privately by the whims of Awake. Security is a fundamental part of the world we live in and you are a partaker in it no matter how ridiculously you twist and turn.

LordReed:
We didn't get the OT out unless you are saying it wasn't the god that ordered the Israelites to go to war in the OT.

What does eschatologic dispensation mean? And how does it answer my question?

Okay oh. The laws and motives of the Old testament dispensation are different from that of the New testament dispensation. The New Testament contains a grand plan for the salvation of the world (Jews and Gentiles), actually Gentiles especially. And things got sort of ramped up. The standard got much different. Here you love your enemies and even turn the left cheek.
There's a period between the end of the Gentiles dispensation and the literal End of the world. It is called the Eschatologic period. Most of what is in Revelation. i think i just increased your confusion though.

kingyakos:
I really appreciate your fine words about Christ how I wish people will know how beautiful it is to know Christ.
Pls let me also correct some point you made, there is nothing like everlasting condemnation cos Christ said those that believeth not shall perish and the word perish in that context is dead without ressurection on like I hear some pastors say eternal hell, and that a false word.
God alone is eternal and for something to be eternal it means God has to be in there and I ask how can God be in hell, it's impossible.
Though God works in simplicity but a simple prayer cannot save any man, there's a criteria that Christ laid for any man to be saved.
Christ said he that believe and baptize shall be saved
You said God is one yet three person, no God is not three person, that's the trinitarian doctrine of Roman Catholic brought in by emperor tyteria (pls correct me if I made a mistake by the spelling of that name).
God is one and operate in three office in position of Father Son and Holy Spirit.
When he revealed him self to the Israelites in the form of pillar of cloud by day and pillar of light by night, he was leading them, feeding them etc. That was Fatherhood, then he came as a son through Jesus and remember the prophesy Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Also John 1:1, 14 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Also John 1:1, 14 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 15:26 (KJV) But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Jud 1:6 KJV And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Mat 25:46 KJV And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Comment appreciated.

LordReed:
In which dispensation is Jesus returning with an army of saints?

Eschatologic dispensation. At least thank God we got the Old testament out, right?

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Politics is about those handling the affairs and resources of your country, you people elected them into office so they have the right to do anything they want with the resources. You have no right to protest against them since it's your thumbprint that signed them in.
They need armed security operatives to protect them even when they're in your midst.

That's government, not politics. Be guided.

LordReed:
I read the OP but I wasn't responding to the OP, I was responding to obonujoker and your comment, stating that war is not the god's will which you agreed with.

You should have connected it with the OP then. The OP mentioned that we were in a different dispensation or testament. That is how simple it can get i think. i will complicate things by saying all goals are goals but not all goals are counted, for example offside goals.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you think it's right to support politics?
Of course your pastors do so once you're into that then LOVE and PEACE will be far away from you since you must choose between two parties who views each other as ENEMIES!

What do you mean by support politics? Politics happen everywhere including right inside your hallway denomination.

LordReed:
Yet the book says the god ordered the Israelites to go war and the battle of Armageddon is supposedly gonna be Jesus returning with a whole army of saints. If war is not the god's will why does he keep using it? Who is forcing the god to use war?

The thread clearly refers to the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine and other similar conflicts. Did you manage to read the OP?

MaxInDHouse:
I will tell you just one so you can salivate over it for long!

JEHOVAH is LOVE! 1John 4:8

He sent Jesus to come and teach us how to LOVE! John 13:34-35; 15:12

Because He wants us to BENEFIT OURSELVES from His word {Isaiah 48:17} so that when we are at PEACE with everyone we may have PEACE! Isaiah 48:18


So Jesus who is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} commissioned Christianity in order for lovers of peace to connect themselves globally, and today lovers of peace are no longer carrying weapons in support of politicians who are Satan's agents to kill their fellowman! Revelations 6:3-4

Only Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully achieved this throughout the earth in their gathering so you can't find anyone called a politician or military man in their midst! Isaiah 2:2-4

So do you know the God whose name is LOVE?

i didn't really get your point but it seems you are either referring to love or peace or both as practical benefits of believing God. You have to be quite sick to think that only Jwickedness people experience any of the two on earth.

MaxInDHouse:
From the god of no practical benefits shey?
I hear you!

Mention 10 practical benefits.

Felimax:
There are Christians in both countries so from a Christian stand point all I can say is that stop the war, Christians from both sides are dying and I am not happy.

On God's stand point I dare not say anything. I nor get level reach that side, who God want to support He support, who He wants to hate He hates.

Very true, you have just spoken the word of God.

1Timothy 2v 1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Still on christian soldiers, some people argue that there is ONE verse of the Bible that says
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. (Matthew 26v52)

And so because of this, christians cannot be soldiers. Yet these are people that are ready to use broken bottle and sticks to fight people. Every day they look for people to argue with and use their "clever words and arguments" to beat. They have being literally killed by the letter.

Jesus clearly told and taught His disciples to love their neighbours and enemies that persecute them for Christ's sake. He taught them not to take vengeance or "fight for Him". But on personal security and assignments, He taught them to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. He told them to buy a sword. (Luke 22v36 - 38). In other words, they needed it for their personal safety and security in their frequent travels as evangelists. Not for personal vendetta or to settle scores.

obonujoker:
Most who do this, are conspiracy theorists....

Yeah they are, but unfortunately they always tell the world that they are christians and they are using the Bible as their basis.

MaxInDHouse:
OLÓDÒ!

Topic of discussion is WAR as in people killing people, and your faithless religionists claiming denominations in Christendom are there as part of the killers.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses can confidently say our members aren't part of the troubles because Jesus ordered us to love our neighbours as ourselves {Mark 12:31} and to love even our enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} but as for our fellow believers we must be prepared to die for them just as Jesus died for us! John 13:34-35; 15:14

But you faithless Churchgoers will start quoting what you don't even know it's meaning, and as for Jesus' command you have nothing to say about it! Matthew 15:8

i have addressed your ignorance here. i do not expect you to learn though, it is not from Awake but from God.

obonujoker:
God is not siding anyone.

War was not the will of God from the beginning.

Satan and the fallen angels corrupted Man and its progeny.

Jesus is soon coming to end all wars and bring about the heavenly will to the new earth God promised us.

A child of God will be praying for peace and not war

Exactly. i find it funny that people somehow try hard to link the war to the Bible and to God.

But what happens in times of war/battle? Is God on one side against another? It is virtually the same answer for every competitive endeavour of man, GOD IS NOT THERE.
We have christians in my school blue house, there are also christians in my school white house. Who is God supporting in our interhouse competition?
We have christians in my school STEM team, and you also have in your school STEM team. Who is God supporting at the Cowbell STEM competition?
My state/church has a football team and your state/church has a football team. Who is God siding in the national interstate competition?
My country has a relay team full of christians and your countey has a relay team full of christians too. Wow, We both print Jesus T-shirts even for the finals celebration. Who is Jesus siding in the Olympics?

This issues play out in myriads of situations. God is not partial. Imagine with an athlete was helped by the Umpire or by an enhancing drug. Most people will say that was cheating and unfair. But the same people think that God would cheat and give an unfair advantage. No, sorry, He doesn't play our little games.

Nonetheless, after i think the point has been well established, i need to add that there is the place of divine intervention. God is Sovereign. He may sometimes step in for a reason or the other. He might have mercy, He might resist the proud, He might answer a prayer, different reasons. On warfronts, we have heard several testimonies of divine protection due to some old mother's prayer somewhere for her soldier son. God can even show a boastful Nebuchadnezzarlike sportman that they race is not always for the swift.

So these supernatural interventions do sometimes happen and are not to be ruled out. But they are not a CONSTANT C as it were. God is not on Russia's side or on Ukraine's side. He's hardly ever on Nigeria's side contrary to many people's opinions and expectations in sports .

Good day to everyone. Usually i don't talk that much about political events, at least not very seriously or engaged. i created this thread because of the level of misinformation and lack of information that i see many Christians parading at these interesting times. It is also triggered in answer to the JW's belief that there should be no christian in the military.

So we see two extremes at play. There are people that believe that there is no Christian involvement in warfare whatsoever, while they are some who believe God is always taking sides. So they think God has to be on a particular country's side, or a particular football team, or even a particular athlete. We see this often play out with predictions(so called prophecies).

Back to the matter. It is not news that there are two different Testaments and Dispensations as it were in the Bible. We are supposedly in the New Testament period or dispensation, so i will stay more on this in the OP. Before going into the Scriptures, the question to personal ask the reader is, do you live in a place with walls? Do you password or have you ever had to password a mobile phone, laptop, or email account? If yes, that is some form of SECURITY. We all put security and need security in different layers and levels of our lives. Security makes us safe(r). It is the same reason some people have dogs, guards, vigilante, mobile policemen and even soldiers. From the micro one person to the macro city/country/group. Security is a big deal and we are all involved in one form or the other. Putting an antivirus is some form of security.
The Bible does not speak against security or stop people from securing or guarding themselves, others or properties. In fact, Jesus was/is very concerned about where to put your treasures. He acknowledges that there are thieves, there is corruption, there is degradation. Paul said, he was several times in peril of robbers. It is biblically established that there is need for security at different levels as far as we are here on Earth.

Speaking of which, Heaven itself is said to have an army.
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? (Daniel 4:35)

This fact litters the scriptures and believers are even part of the "army of the Lord". Jesus Christ is in some quarters expected to come back with an army to execute judgement. People in the police or army are representatives of the State/Government and not just themselves. When a person in the army or any part of government carries out an action officially, he does it not on his own charges, but on the government. This is why the executioner is not a murderer. The "long arm of the law" is not anybody's personal arm. Jesus Christ or any of the apostles never condemned the army or said they could not be saved. He commended the great faith of the centurion. We also see a centurion believing in Him while He hung on the cross. We cannot be quick to forget Cornelius, the centurion soldier who was the first gentile floodgate recipient of salvation. If we look through the Acts of the apostles, we see centurions and soldiers guiding Paul and his co-travellers all the way to Rome.

Evidently, security personnel are useful to us as believers and to everyone in general. They are there to maintain law, peace and order which is the will of God. They are there to protect lives and properties, and defend the State. So be you a Roman soldier, a Nigerian soldier, a Ukrainian soldier, or a Russian soldier. They are biblically approved security personnel like every other good/legal work. A christian can be a soldier and an unbeliever can be a soldier. And you do your nation a good duty by defending it as ordered by law.

budaatum:
Image, please. You are asking Maynman if they have allowed their head to be brainwashed into accepting what you are aware of while Maynman is telling you they aren't aware of any God, nor Father, nor Spirit, nor Son, nor Deity. Don't you think you need be aware that Maynman might not be aware that "they are three persons", and ask why? I mean, Maynman, might not be as aware as you are, or something.

i see buda. Maynman, why are you unaware oh?

LordReed:
In other words I don't know if a god or gods exist(s).

Thank you. This is straightforward enough.

HardMirror:
hahaha another one! Please show us the authority that claimed evolution started from nothing. Not here to argue with you o. Just show me shikena

If you give mirror mirror a gun, he would probably shoot himself or a friend. He sees everything in mirror view not straight.

HardMirror:
you have issues o. After you realized you goofed lol abeg answer the op or stop this nonsense. Present your best evidence for god. Shikena. Nobody said your god does not exist

Where is the goof mirror mirror, or you just learned that word? Read properly, i have answered the OP ok and it has been OKed.
Remember the bolded in your future conversations, you seem to forget very often. Reason why i sometimes need to reconfirm from people.

MaxInDHouse:
OLÓDÒ!

You just copy and paste Bible verse, OK what is the practical application of what you're quoting and what correlation does this have with your stupidity you're claiming?

See as you reinforced my wise opinion that you were not worthy of a single Bible verse. Get your brain from the hallway tomorrow, you need it for online and external communication.

LordReed:
I asked you to produce anywhere I said there is no god, you can't because I never did so how is it rigmarole? I can't produce evidence for a claim I never made. Look for a claim I have made and ask me for the evidence.

In other words, there is God?

MaxInDHouse:
Olódò!
So it's awake i've been quoting since shey?
Shame on you and your greedy pastors who taught you man-made doctrines that you can't quote anything in God's word to back it up!

Joh 6:63 KJV It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

You only quote the logos taught you in Awake majamaja. Anything above your syllabus, you have to report back to your hall base for new instructions and information. i am past that level by the special grace of God. God gives us rhema. i guess you would have said same ignorance to Jesus for not filling up His talk with Bible verse and chapter. Pharisee.

1Co 2:6 KJV Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

LordReed:
How can you ask me to produce evidence for a position I have at no time stated that I hold?

Which god?

rig-ma-role.

LordReed:
Can you quote where I said there is no god?

There goes the rigmarole, is there God?

LordReed:
Ok.

Hoping that you will finally present your best evidence that there is no God. No rigmarole and innuendos.

helinues:
Here we go.. Oya Tell us the spiritual effect. How the village people collaborated about it..

Hian

You are simply a tool in the hand of evil spirits. They delight in oppression, pain, fear and destruction. It's like playing pranks or scaring the living daylights out of someone. Some people see it as fun/entertainment. It's a similar thing the evil spirits do with you when they want. You know that devilish feeling you have knowing that you own/tied someone or something and can do anything with it when you like? Sure you do, he lives in you.
Maybe it has other extra implications i don't know. But what i know is no devil in hell or earth can even think of trying it on me. Them no dey find am funny with me.

mannasseh:
yeah several but mine stopped as soon as I change my perspective of it being spiritual to just a mere Medical occurrence, that's was the end even if it happens I just relax and tell myself it's a gradual process that will soon be over

You're no different from a person kidnapped by terrorists who gave up instead of fighting back. It doesn't mean it is normal to live with terrorists.

helinues:
We all experience it most especially when we over stress our body and our thoughts.. Subconscious mind never ready to be awake

It always comes with Lucid dreaming

Imagine some Nigerians relating that to Spider web.. Chai, some people are too superstitious..

Who are we all? Not everyone is a tool for devil's oppression and play.