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LordReed:
Nah I am referring to Jesus of the Bible.

Then like i say, you don't know Him. Do you know any of His words that has come to pass?

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Jesus' guesswork wasn't much better.

You must be referring to Jesus of oyingbo

LordReed:
All eyes on sukkot.

Don't waste eyes on him, turn your eyes on Jesus. Forget miserable guesswork.

LordReed:
Then everybody gets their prayer answered by the god and the OP's assertion fails.

i guess the OP is trying to hit at a YES answer.

LordReed:
What then is the difference between no and the OP's assertion that people don't receive answers?

Difference is God is not an ATM machine where you press pin code and get what you want. He is God, He decides. He answers YES, NO, Not yet like the fellow said.

COOL10:
Didn't God tell you not to judge? Didn't God tell you not to lie? Show me where in my statement I said that death is the end of life.

If you have no contributions to make in terms of what I stated up there, I would advice you to keep quiet instead of trying to be smart by shifting the goalpost and creating imaginary conversations I never implied.

Bla bla bla, believe the Word of God.

COOL10:
Honestly speaking, it is occurrences like these that make me question a lot of things. Like, why would God allow his children to die under such gruesome circumstances? People who came to worship him and pray for a better life.

When you ask people such questions, they tell you things like ' No one can question God' or 'God giveth life and taketh life' or 'No one knows God's plans' or 'They were so good that God decided to take them to heaven because he knows their future sins would prevent them from salvation'.

It's just so annoying hearing the things that come out of these peoples' mouths. This isn't fair on people like me who despite all we've experienced still try to believe in God.

Death is not the end of life, you don't believe that

HardMirror:
this comment shows you people dont have an iota of sense. So hospitals are greater than your god abi

Don't worry guy, God will still come and help you cook and satisfy your wife. You just sit, cross leg and believe. People who don't know God.

lol, Nigerians no wan come Nigeria na. They'll rather be refugee and get citizenship in Europe. Even the care wey refugee go receive for Europe, some lecturer no receive am for Nigeria.

But her own hand drawing looks more like chicken feet than human hands, so why condemn others?

Lol, Peter's wife, John's wife, Paul's wife, Moses' wife, Samuel's wife, Daniel's wife. None of them has such role in the Bible. The church is not private property. Being someone's wife or child is not automatic qualification. If they are pastors or leaders, that's different. Meaning they also passed through the basic criteria like everyone else.

Lol, that's hasty generalization. Your course/school is not the global definition of theology. Na the same theology some people study turn to atheist, na same some study turn to dogmatic pharisees and robots with full brain. Good it works for you though, all things should work together for good.

HENRY648:
I once found myself in a confused situation.i was going to church and saw a beggar who needs monetary aid and i wasnt with enough cash cus am supposed to give tithe in church.
Pls which is better,to help him or ignore him considering the story of the good samaritan.

Why not use your house rent, school fees, money for food or utility bills since you are so confused?

Loewe:
Sir, I never endorsed or condemned anything he said. All I am saying is that he doesn't deserve to be judged for being in a super bowl match.

His comment doesn't warrant so much negative interpretation please.

Correction or saying that someone did something wrong or not befitting is not judgment or condemnation.

Loewe:
But he never referred to the performance!!!

He only said half-time was fantastic, which could mean the game itself as at when the first half stopped...

You all should stop being judgemental and twisting words. Leave pastors alone!

You can't as a pastor or Christian worship leader openly endorse this. What is wrong is wrong.

ikorodureporta:
In my opinion....i dnt think its right...

We all enjoyed it, but when you are occupying a sensitive position, you have to be mindful of what you say in public

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKI2oN0jFJc

nairalee:
This is not a wise idea. U shouldn't put all your eggs in the basket of ONE person. No coach goes into a football match wit just his 1st eleven. U have to plan for event of injury or poor performance

Marriage is not a game or a football match, it is your life. You have only one life.

LordReed:
Story also means its details can be selectively embellished for effect. Which I think is the case here. People were asked to give time, effort and money during the building of that Canaanland church so no sir I don't see anything supernatural about its building. Even the furnishings were largely donations.

People are asked to give to church projects and programs since time immemorial. That doesn't guarantee abundance of supply in the set time with no borrowing or owing of any bank. You can find out from many others carrying out projects. Like i said, the ease, speed and efficiency with which the project was carried out and is being maintained is very much above natural given the circumstances. It is very well documented, not hidden.

LordReed:
Yeah sure, a story. LoLz.

"Story" doesn't always depict fiction like you presume, it is also an account of incidents or events, a statement regarding the facts pertinent to a situation in question. That's the dictionary definition.

LordReed:
And I already answered why I am not and showed why it is not a supernatural feat. Speed and ease of building when money is available is not a supernatural feat.

Lol, you must be the account manager, the Canaanland story says money was not available.

LordReed:
LoLz! We need to establish he exists before we get to whether he can do anything.

The irony is that many unbelievers are quick to fervently condemn Him, forgetting that they feel that He doesn't exist.

LordReed:
How does this matter? So because some other person is flawed we should excuse terrible behaviour?

All unbelievers bring this viewpoint all the time concerning God, they try to make Him guilty and unqualified to judge them.

LordReed:
I can't become a minister like Oyedepo because I don't have the same convictions he has that should be clear enough. When I mentioned multibillion generating organisation I wasn't referring to his wealth perse but to the capacity to fund whatever project he decides on. When you say ease and speed is it not because the money was available? Or else he'd have undertaken the project much earlier in his career as a minister. Also the contrast with Bezos is also about the so called speed and ease, Bezos started Amazon from his garage not from Wall Street and by 2018 was the richest man in the world by contrast he is at the finish line while Oyedepo is barely a tenth of the way. If there is some kind of supernatural component to Oyedepo's accent then it is not apparent and most especially not in building projects and jet purchases.

Lol, i don't ask you to be a preacher, i ask you to be as wealthy as you claim that he is since it's not supernatural to you. The speed and ease with which CU and Canaanland was accomplished when the vision came should not be a strange news to you. The efficiency is also second to none. Amazon can't even do proper business in Nigeria, not to talk of trying spiritual business. Stop comparing apples and onions.

LordReed:
How many times do I need to repeat it, it looks supernatural because they have been primed to believe it is.

I don't have a multibillion naira generating organisation because I haven't hit upon an idea that will take me there. Jeff Bezos did and became the richest man in the world after starting from his garage, no supernatural input.

So what speed are you talking about? By the way Jeff Bezos started Amazon in 1994 and became richest man while Oyedepo is still probably just the richest pastor in Africa not even the richest man. So what exactly is the "supernatural" about his accomplishments?

Again, you mixed apples with oranges. i wasn't referring to speed of wealth like you are implying. It is clear that you are currently richer than Oyedepo and his ministry were when they started, so what exactly stops you from doing what he has done? The speed, ease and efficiency of the well known projects like Canaanland and CU is what i refer to, i don't know or care much about his wealth like you seem to do. Bezos climbed up a well known Wall Street ladder and sold/sells diversified physical things to billions of people. Celebrate grace Reed.

rikithor:
Sorry,we can't trace any point made from your comments above,yet

Keep tracing, you might get lucky.

hopefulLandlord:
yes

But He doesn't exist? Comedian

kingxsamz:
Cry.
I'm not stopping anytime soon.

Lol, Samuel. A mad man said this exact same thing the other time. Listen to the facts, your parents are theists, your siblings theists, your teachers theists, your bros that gives you money still theists. When will your open eyes do something useful in your life?

Richdee1:
Bro, Bleep off and do something useful with your life. Don't mention me again

i see you found the question very hard to answer. Tell us, what are the useful things that you have done with your life? Inspire us if you can instead of bringing lazy wives tales/gossip online.

cornelboy:
Most of the miracles happening nowadays are fake. If these pastors are really filled with God's power why do people still die in hospitals, why are there many mad people in psychiatrist hospital?

Why don't they go about city to city healing people from their mysterious diseases just like the first apostles did?

There are fake miracles and false prophets everywhere.

i see you are just a boy, you need to grow up. Do you assume that Jesus was going around hospitals healing people? He didn't even heal the man at the temple gate, yet He was coming to the same temple all His life. Someone who has never seen or performed a miracle should not be telling us how miracles should be done, reason it.

akdjr:
Heavily armed men protecting a man who is spreading the gospel. I am sure if bros J had protected himself like this those wey fall am for no fit near that guy.

50 years ago, the presidents and governors and influential people could move around freely and greet people casually on the road. Not to mention 2000 years ago. Today, a local government chairman cannot walk on the street safely. Wake up man, this is 2022, not 33 C.E

Richdee1:
Yes I love God
And how does it affect the question I asked?

Good. It affects very much because you are doing the asking.
Do you love God more than yourself?

LordReed:
I already said it looks supernatural because he has primed people to think it is. What speed are you talking about? That funds were available to carry out the tasks or the time it took? What was was unusual here?

I would attempt to achieve any of these results if I have a multibillion naira generating organisation.

Lol, you don't believe in supernatural but it looks supernatural. How can something look like what you don't believe in and doesn't exist? It's an open secret Reed, you're richer than Oyedepo was when he started Winners. Why don't you have a multibillion naira generating organization? Don't you want to look supernatural?