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Zero na, squatting is allowed. Or leave in your oga's house as he is your mentor abi?

Gospel2Day:
Contradict what I said above.
Are you females not the reason Muslims call Christianity the religion of nudity and indecency?
You have brought nothing but reproach and disgrace to the Faith Jesus shed His blood for.
Tell me how a supposed godly person will wear body-hugging, skin-tight, boobs-flaunting, thighs-revealing outfit.
You people need help seriously.
We are tired of the bad name and image your gender is giving to Christianity.
Change or leave the church for those who will shun worldly appearance.
Did Mary the mother of Jesus fix and paint her nails, did she wear fake hair, did she paint her face and lips, did she wear skirts that accentuate her butts?
You people want to claim you're Christians, but dress like Jezebel.
Repent. Hell fire awaits all of you, unless you quit your addiction to worldly fashion.
Shalom.

Blind pastor, i am not even female. In Christ Jesus, there is neither male or female, jew or greek. Stop being a misogynist, it is a sickness and a sin. Sin is not gender biased. All have sinned is what the scriptures say, the scriptures preaches nothing like the misogyny message you are brainwashed into. Hate, unforgiveness, pride, immorality, deceit, greed, murder, idolatry. These and the likes are the weighty matters of sin well mentioned in the Bible. You are likely guilty of a couple of them, and all genders suffer from them. You have not mentioned any of these in all your epistle. You seem riveted by the devil to the female body. Pele pastor, open your eyes and open your Bible.

Gospel2Day:
my brother/sister, you need a change of heart truly

I'm a brother.
So you want me to have a chance of heart from good and godly to bad and worldly?
I understand you are a female.
Your gender is the problem of the church.
Remove females from the church and all the churches will dress alike, we won't know Deeper Life apart from Christ Embassy.
Anywhere your gender goes they bring their worldliness with them.
Is it godly for a supposed Christian female to wear tight fitting clothes, laps-revealing skirt, cleavage-exposing tops?
The problem your female ancestor Eve caused in Eden the whole world is still suffering from it till tomorrow.
And, like the agent of Satan that you people are you're advising me to have a change of heart from loving and seeking holiness to tolerating worldliness.
Repent.
Shalom.

Wow, as in wow squared. Oga pastor, you are so blind. Being a misogynist is a sickness, treat it early sir.

Gospel2Day:
You don't even know me. For your information, I pastor a church.
You don't sound to me as someone who is truly saved and sanctified.
It is obvious from the way you responded to me.
God bless you as you give your life to Jesus today.
Shalom.

Good for you, at least you don't have the editing rights to the book of life.
Oga pastor, don't invite them, they don't need your invitation to be who they are for God. Pastor Kumuyi and other pastors will invite them. You and yourself cannot block the road for others.

Gospel2Day:
I have no problem with the both of Brothers Dunsin and Nathaniel.
The issue about them is that they do not publicly denounce worldliness and promote modesty. I love and listen to their songs, but I can't invite them to come and sing in my church because they will bring their female backups who are worldly in their appearance.
As per the Scriptural references, check 1 Timothy 2 : 9.

Oga open your own church and don't invite them, they don't need your invitation to be who they are for God. Pastor Kumuyi and other pastors will invite them. You and yourself cannot block the road for others.

Rawtruth1:
I pray the Lord will restore you to your root. I don't want to argue with you

What root, is Jesus Christ not supposed to be the root? Do you care to read that he's growing and doing better spiritually? Should Pastor Kumuyi also go back to his so called root, Cele or AF or Anglican? Many of you need to outgrow this baby mentality that someone isn't really born again if he'd left your church or is not from your church. That's why the evangelism is so messed up. You will see people more godly and committed than your members and will still be preaching salvation to them. How would you feel if they preach salvation to your pastor because he's from different denomination?

Oluvan:
He preaches righteousness through faith in Christ and Sanctification through Christ and the Holy Spirit.... "and if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature old things are passed away behold all things are be come new" and if the root is holy, so also are the branches".

The above implies that those who identify with Christ are saints and holy nations and no longer sinners. You cannot continue in sin and say grace should abound, GOD FORBID!

THAT'S WHAT WE RECEIVE, THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE AND THAT'S WHAT WE PREACH: JESUS ONLY, JESUS EVER....

Small advice. Better avoid koboko, he lives for aimless arguments. Number your days and hours wisely.

rikithor:
If selfishness meant what you chose obey in God's word, while others should also select what they want to obey.
Find out from mummy G.O where your destination shall be if you don't repent.
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You only obey when it suits you, why can't you obey NOW without complaining. Why are you complaining and murmuring about your leader? Like you said, you obeyed because it helped you. What about the many others that it didn't help, that it chased and chases away? Did you ever stop thinking about your selfish self and think about others? Do you ever think about God's Word? Is it God's Word or your church tradition? Is it a major or a minor issue? Already you are thinking of my destination and me repenting, not because of anything found in the Bible but it's of course all about you. i don't have your worldview therefore i should find mummy GO for my destination. i know you're trying to make it on a light note but it's so reflective of you and unfortunately many "holiness" church members who hardly have any holiness except by church affiliations.

Rhymeyjohn:
Wow! Such brilliant argument, or rather exposition.

Image123, my co-debator on tithe about 9 years ago. Good too see you going on

My dearest brother, God bless you. Good to hear from you and see you marching on too both academically and spiritually. God's love continue to be in you.

Crazy people like this OP need to be thrown out of the church to save the present and future of the church. The ignorance stinks. This one thinks Kumuyi received their choir book on Mount Sinai. If he saw the singers of those songs, he'd probably deny Christianity. If we tell him the truth that every single song in that book was copied and pasted from another church's book, he'd probably reject Heaven in anger.

Mrklemo:
Prince Dele.. That is not a Deeper Life eye glasses na. Thats a Rick Ross signature.
You sef.... And i believe you watch tv in your house. You & your boss are the same.

You sef see am? And he is calling himself "prince", worldly title. The deeper life he wants don't care for things like tagging oneself with earthly prince names. Fake sensual man.

Timidangote:
You still don't get my point.
I'm not disapproving whatever change in the church. All I'm saying is this, our Pastor once condemned these people. If he was wrong then or his judgement was wrong he should let us understand.
It's that simple.
You can't just wake up one day and start doing something you stood against and expect your followers not to ask question.

Pastor Kumuyi condemned these people. These are very weighty allegations. Kindly refer me to proof where he did so. Define condemn and name the list of people condemned, then we can continue from there.

i really do not see what he stood against that he is doing, maybe you can enlighten me or maybe you do not know your church history. Inviting non-deeper life people to programmes is not a new thing. i don't know, maybe not common, but definitely they do it especially for crusade or special programmes like campus or youth programmes. i remember as far back as 1985, a popular Nigerian actor/comedian was invited, no be today i sabi deeper Maybe you just know about your village parish in Lagos, but those places that pastor Kumuyi used to go about for crusade, they do many things during publicity and the programmes themselves which are not usually done in normal deeper life services. Same thing applies to campus and corp members programmes.
i mean there should be some really really weighty stuff you guys are accusing your pastor of, not all these childs play that is even nauseating, calling others unbelievers because they don't do things deeper life way.

subcbouy:
If you can slowly read carefully, he called them rock stars and ask a question if isn't hypocrisy listening to them at home and pretending to not listen to them in church. You can ask him about who is a rock star. STOP JUMPING into a conversation you didn't understand.

Bruva, humble yourself and accept your clear fault. YOU called them "gospel rock stars". Stop blaming others for your own actions, nobody else helped you to type. Here is what you typed yourself. If someone else calls you/others a wrong name, why are you calling the same people by that name?

Isn't it hypocrisy listening to these gospel rock stars at home and pretending to not listen to them in church? Ironically all the songs from all these rock stars are sung by a youth choir, song from guy penrod etc

Timidangote:
I grew up in DCLM and I've been a worshipper all my life. But while growing up I realized some of the doctrines of our church are man-made and not Holy Spirit inspired.
I remember some years back around 2014 during question and answer time after our STS on a Sunday like this, Someone asked a question at IBTC, "Are all this contemporary musicians of today truly worshipping God and why is it that we don't invite them to our congregation. Pastor Kumuyi himself happened to answer that most of this musicians are singing for money and not to worship or glorify God.
So today, if he's inviting thesame people he has condemned in the past he should let us know the church is not offering them cash price to entertain her members.
If he is changing his stands he should do this with convincing explanation why there is need for that and not leave his flocks to figure out things in there own.

most of this musicians are singing for money and not to worship or glorify God..

This remains true. i see the problem of many of you. You are pained to the marrow because of your pride. Most of you are holier than thou so you are angry that others were "approved" by your pastor. Heaven go so shock many of you, you fit vex go hell fire.

mywells:
There's a standard and that standard must be strictly adhere to, since the death of pastor kumuyi's wife righteousness, holiness and standard died with her,

Why don't you just follow her quickly? Oh, you're going to hell since righteousness already died right?

subcbouy:
Didn't you read him to call them rock stars? I guess you are one gleefully sounding like a kid now.

i read you and replied you. Is he your daddy or teacher? Are you not grown enough, blaming someone else like Adam and Eve for what you did? You called them gospel rock stars. So are they gospel rock stars or not?
Caution, watch your sanctification before you fly at me like a possessed bird for being corrected online by a mere mortal.

rikithor:
I have defended this on Facebook that that 'old religion received from our old patriachs of faith and preached, practised and felt in deeper life church is what we want.
Jesus owns a church,God can and is still using,no one is irreplaceable.
Was born into DLBC in the 80s, remembered travelling in molue with other brethren to attend church services every Sundays and how we sang such heavenly inspired hymns as
"What is the hope you have
The kingdom of God
Is the hope I have
The kingdom of God"

Also remembered how as I got lost (about 5 years) then in such a mammoth crowd after close of church services and announcement made over missing but found child(me) happened twice,my parents,dad saw all as holy adventures

The doctrines strict,if some say so,but good for disciplining the soul. Its helping us today and should be sustained.

You must be a very selfish carnal man. So all you care about is that something helped you. What about the billions of other people that it doesn't help? One will have thought you had some solid ground to stand on like the Bible and God's move through you in saving souls and bringing some mighty Revival. But nothing, all you have are judgmental minds and devilish accusations to cast on people that are actually doing something.

subcbouy:
Isn't it hypocrisy listening to these gospel rock stars at home and pretending to not listen to them in church?

How are they gospel rock stars? Do you even have any idea of what rock stars are or you are just bandying high sounding words gleefully like a kid?

sgtponzihater1:
This guy's have suffered alot, and this protest probably comes from a place of pain.
They were made not to watch television for a long time
They were made to avoid flashy cloths and things for a long time
Watching movies was out of bounds, except maybe mountzoin movies
Playing jazz, rock and dance music was forbidden
They could not attend other people's churches for music concerts, relationship talks, youth hang outs etc
Only for the Church to change direction 360 degrees, and introduce the same things they denied members for years, and for the Pastor to dine and commune with those he stopped his members from interacting with years ago.

This will be heart breaking for many, especially the old ones who have wasted years living in false modesty, and are now too old and too out of touch to reinvent themselves.

The lesson will be to follow God and not the way of man. As God is the only force that will never change.

PonziHater

Christianity guarantees suffering, all that will live godly must suffer. But if you call not dressing naked or going to night club suffering, well you're in your own world. DL members for a very very long time and percentage of their existence have not been denied the best foods spiritually, abundance of life, joy, good education, music, professions, promotion and the many basic goodies of life. If you feel pained that they miss/missed out by not watching TV, hello i have big TVs almost everywhere, i have not watched one minute of TV this year. i do use it/them for other functions though. Oyedepo was telling young people the other year not to waste their lives on TV, phone and internet. So what exactly was missed. BTW, 360 degree is no turn but same thing, i guess you want to say 180degrees which would be a lie. The Deeper life i know still doesn't "permit" those things you mentioned. God doesn't change but His children including Peter and Paul are being constantly CHANGED into God's image. There are twists and turns when God truly leads you, otherwise it will just be an unchanging straight down.

angelfallz:
You said some thought provoking things.
I tried to put myself in the shoes of the old members that were denied some things, I would feel bad because I know I lost a lot of things and missed out on a lot of things and opportunities due to the church's teachings which are now being changed. I might even be bitter about the changes.

Denied what exactly? Were they not having personal convictions? Were they not taught to have personal convictions and relationships with God? What exactly have they missed? Open your eyes Bruva.

Nezzjnr:
Wasn't a Crusade... It was on his birthday.

Even the Cele will all term as being bad will never allow a politician to sit on the Altar.

Did you bury something on the altar, whatever that is, that the state governor must not come there?

Rawtruth1:
I was groomed in Deeper life from my teenage to adulthood. I was at Ayobo, Deeper life Bible school and attended many workers meetings from 1985 to 1999.

The truth is that some things are falling apart. I don't know whether it's because of the age of our Daddy in the Lord. But his recent romance with politicians and other worldly minded musicians and individuals is raising alarms in the minds of his children both in Deeper life and other churches.

The protest is apt and valid

Pastor Kumuyi did not teach you not to protest ba? Selective amnesia dey worry some of you, don't worry u go dey alright. Na prayer we go pray for you. Just raise one hand and put the other hand on the brain that appears to be paining you.

daughters13:
The anti-indecency campaigner and deeper life member, Prince Dele Banjo has staged a peaceful protest at the Deeper Life Headquarters at Gbagada, Lagos.

The protest is in connection with the introduction of unconventional music to Deeper Life.

Prince Dele Banjo stated:

"We are surprised about the introduction of unconventional music as well as the invitation of Gospel rock stars to Deeper Life. We are also surprised about the invitation of local Christian musicians that are not advocates of modesty to deeper life.

We are surprised because pastor Kumuyi who is our father in the Lord did not raise us his children with such music. Instead, he raised us with modesty, holiness and the belief that we should worship God with our book of hymns alone using low toned and humble songs.

Pastor Kumuyi was the one that taught us all we know about modesty and holiness, so we are surprised that our teacher is changing direction and he is inviting international Gospel rock stars and local musicians that are not advocates of modesty to come and sing at deeper life.

We strongly believe that as a holiness church, deeper life ought to stick with our choir and our God given hymn book alone. We don't need unnecessary noise from these American gospel rockstars and these local Christian musicians.

Our God given and humble choir at deeper life that consists of those lovely teenagers, keyboardists and trumpeters is enough for us at deeper life.

Since he is our father in the Lord, we hereby request an explanation from him; we want to our dear father in the Lord to defend the invitation of rockstars and local Christian musicians that are not advocates of modesty.

We hold in our hands the book of hymns in order to prove to everyone that all we need in deeper life is our God given book of hymns.


Thank you very much"

A flesh driven attention seeker. He should at best be ignored.

Who is enaira, is he a nairalander or musician?

IrepChrist:
Researchers at the University of Alabama-Birmingham have successfully transplanted two kidneys from a genetically modified pig into a human who was brain dead.



It marks the second successful transplant of pig kidneys into a human in the United States, following a similar achievement by surgeons at NYU Langone Health in New York City last October in a procedure that also involved a brain-dead recipient, the researchers said in an article published Thursday by the American Journal of Transplantation.



On Jan. 10, surgeons in Maryland successfully transplanted a pig heart into 57-year-old Jim Parsons with life-threatening heart failure who had exhausted other treatments and did not qualify for a human heart transplant because he was not healthy enough.


This research/experiment is already gathering momentum and it will soon be recommended as a safe medical practice.

Should Christian faith subscribe to this knowing well we are God's image?

Unfortunately, some pigs are better than some human beings. If you can take transplant or blood from a human being that you don't know, why exactly can't you take a SAFE transplant from an animal? Does God not replace humans with stone? Do crippled people not use wooden aid? So it is pig that wants to take your salvation or what?

Workch:
No, your IQ is at the same level as MaxInDHouse, you are probably more educated but you are still sound like a waste of classroom space hence you won't accept nonsense without reason.

It's gonna take alot to convince me that someone who believes his god was born via human pathogenesis is not stupid

Who cares if his IQ or yours is high or low? You think that has anything significant to do with billions of lives? It's so shame you had to be taught like a kindergarten kid that there's a difference between IQ and level of education. Calculate the tuition only spent on you yet we're all wondering where they went wrong.
Let me tutor you further, pick a red ball now and a black ball. Now, throw the red ball up and watch it land on your head to help activate that God given brain of yours. Here's the point, you don't even need big IQ or education to know God. Selah.

Wilddove:
just show us that the most high is real and not an imaginary being cikina magana yakare yenzu

Nice, you used the password recovery function at last. Don't forget that password again.

Workch:
Your God doesn't exist dude, deal with it.
We won't allow your peddle falsehood in the name of religion and blind faith

Psalms 92:8 But thou, LORD, art most high for evermore.

Workch:
if I say you have the same level of IQ as MaxInDHouse now, you go dey vex

See the jargons you are saying

So you still presume that IQ is the same as education, SMH.

LordReed:
More like people are becoming atheists because they are realising that so far gods have turned out to be fairytales.

More like as predicted by Jesus. Also the dearth of biblical Christianity causes unbelief and weariness/weakness of faith.

Workch:
it mustn't be a video evidence d dude, should I explain in slowpoke language?
There's no video evidence for people giving birth with fertilization, it's just pretty testable even by blind believers

Lol, i figured you'd be interested in the video evidence. Are you afraid of the Truth? It's been a while you logged in with your other moniker BTW, you forgot the password?

Workch:
If at your age you still believe a human give birth without fertilization and a snake talked then you are grown baby

Don't say i didn't warn you on mum and dad, i did the best.