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frosbel2:
'Born again' Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists etc have also been radically changed and delivered from drunkenness, smoking and careless living. So, tell us again; what is so special about your PET delusion?

So you agree that Jesus saves, your anguish is that He's not the only one?

Likely resulting from recklessness and lawlessness. Fear a black man that has power, he's usually "drunk".

blueAgent:
Are you running away?

You could have told me why God inspired Paul to teach on the resurrection and the reward of the just and the unjust since it does not matter or has an effect on ones salvation.

I guess you know more than God himself?

Mr know all.

Talking about knowing all.

Rev 22:18 KJV For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

If your "revelations" about the itinerary of souls and spirits were of any importance, we'll see it taught in scriptures. My advice to leave you with as there's no edification whatsoever in the vain interaction.

Heb 13:9 KJV Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

i have no further response to you on this irrelevant subject. Peace.

LordReed:
Yeah the truth is I am a goat right? LoL. You must think me a simpleton. You qualify as a dumbass and that's the truth so don't kick against it.

You are so eager to give agency to some external power you cant even see that the "miracle" is within you. There is no Jesus doing shit. You simply reached for a source of motivation and it worked. See placebo effect for more understanding.

I'll not intimate you on your goathood, your experience should help with that. This placebo effect that made a hopeless girl grow two unequal legs, that destroys the power of sin, that radically changed hardened sinners like Paul, that turned an addicted chain smoker hooligan to a preacher. i think we both agree that we need more of this effect. Jesus saves.

LordReed:
Yes sin is A MADE UP CONCEPT. The concept is not what is the reality. Indeed people commit homicide and genocide, it in no way indicates the sin concept is real. We humans are the only ones here and now capable of giving value to anything in the universe. The universe does not care nor is there anyone besides ourselves who cares. The sin concept is just a means to give power to external agents eg Yahweh and Satan so that you can absolve yourself of guilt for your actions. The solution to a made up problem is a made up sacrifice so that you can pretend that all the bad things you do on a daily basis has been wiped away. LoL such delusion.

You are free to say any rubbish you like about what atheism means, it only indicates your ignorance or your dishonesty.

It's all made up and chance isn't it? Jesus Christ, formation of the universe, DNA and Leo Messi. People sin but it is not a reality. How can it be a reality? Homicide, genocide, crime, theft and corruption are indeed made up, they are not sins according to the rudderless reed. Destroyed homes through immorality, killings, treachery and corruption are just a means to give power to external agents. Wake up reed and be free from sin. Jesus sacrifice delivered and still delivers from sins like the above mentioned. Imagine if your heroes like Stalin, Osama bin Laden, Shekau and Hitler were saved from sin. The difference it may have made. The reality of the great change from a sinner to a saint has saved many homes and lives from pain, misery and more darkness. These are not delusions but every day reality. Two cult boys(friends) in secondary school had the gospel preached to them 10years ago. One was saved and is today preaching and living a decent life and family. The other has since being in prisons and detentions, hurt many families, destroyed many youths, killed a few people and parades a vicious and sorry influence. You call that a delusion. You should be a comedian if you weren't so pathetic.

LordReed:
Very good it seems your brain cells are activating. Why is everyone not like Lionel Messi? Why don't all players score in every match? Why is Jesus magic selective? Ponder those questions very well. Ruminate on them.

Rather you should be pondering the obvious from your assertion, why is everyone not like Jesus Christ. Messi scores and Jesus saves. He saved me and He can save you. Ponder, ruminate, simply dare to think.

blueAgent:
You are only talking from your little confused mind.

If it was not important why did God inform or inspire Paul to write it in the Bible?

Right now in Christaindom about 85% of Christians or more believe the soul is immortal and will be sent to Heaven or Hell.

There are several false doctrines and consequences that this false teachings and doctrine has created.

If you knew better you would have shown me how my article contradicts God's word.

If what I wrote is false, then prove me wrong but if it is right than let it be.
There are millions who are dieing to know the truth about God's word and purpose for humanity.

Rather than draw people away from God this thread reveal the true and justice nature of God and his word.

It will draw and increase people's faith.

If you are not willingly to humble yourself and learn about God's true word than am sorry Heaven is light years far from you.

Bros, i don't have strength for these back and more backs. Hope your itinerant knowledge saves you.

LordReed:
Yes you did insult using your fairytales. Oh you think telling someone they are blind and dead is an endearment or it is civil thing to tell someone in a discussion that had hitherto not had any such words? Now its calling me a goat and you say you are not insulting. LMFAO! Stop pretending, your hypocrisy is glaring.

It would be better if you were angry and expressed your anger in civility than to mask it with quotes from your fairytale.

i guess the truth is an insult in your world. A blind man is a blind man except you make fun of his blindness do you make fun of him. You're diagnosed with sins which qualify you as blind and dead spiritually. It's a position all have been in including me. But Jesus can save you. He saved me, and I've seen Him save others. Just like the drunkard that used to be a source of sorrow to all around him. His salvation may be a delusion to you, it is very real to him and those he affected.

LordReed:
LoL! Faith in what? Chance? No thank you, don't need faith for that. Besides sin is a made up ridiculous concept so that faith in Jesus magic can be sold as a cure, furthering the delusion. You and all the other Christians will continue to "sin" because none is perfect but you'll deny it in favour of a ridiculous fairytale.

Wow, sin is made up? The whole world must be made up then because the whole world apparently lies in sin. All the crime, homicide, genocide, killings, thefts, corruption are all made up? Because of Jesus? You do have a lot of faith/belief for an atheist, only that your faith is in the absurdity.

LordReed:
Take you own advise especially for your delusion, delusion doesn't have to overpower you anymore. Jesus magic is nothing but chance and motivation, like Messi's goals.

You mean goals are chance and motivation? Ever wondered the implications of this? Why don't you or others have same chance and motivation? Don't you think this chance and motivation must be something considerably important seeing it explains away great realities such as Jesus Christ, formation of the universe, DNA and Leo Messi?

blueAgent:
What's your problem with the truth been revealed?

The only person I know who is not happy with the truth been revealed is the Devil.

Am yet to know your problem with the OP.

Clearly stated from the beginning but you seemed very disturbed at it. The important questions like David asked should be "Who"?, "How?" What is the gain of knowing what if you don't know how? Who goes to heaven or hell, How can i go to Heaven or hell. Those are more pertinent than spending pages on unverified information.

blueAgent:
Where, in my OP or responses?

The response that i quoted.

LordReed:
Who cares if Messi scores if Messi doesn't score in a crucial match that leads to his team losing? How many times does Messi not score for him to lose his top rating? And finally Messi scoring is by chance. Your Jesus magic has no certainty and let's down the very people that trust it. Yet you want me to believe there is some god of love that saves, when he cannot reliably save the people that already believe? LMFAO! Keep your delusional Jesus magic, I don't need it.

You should care that Leo Messi scores, that is the whole point of the analogy. Messi scores. Jesus saves. Jesus saved me and saves me. He can save you too. Those load of sins can be forgiven and you can be saved in the name of Jesus. Immorality, anger,pride, lying and dishonest behaviour don't have to overpower you anymore.

LordReed:
I forgot you are a dumbass that needs everything to be explained to you. The passive aggressive bullshít you wrote was directed at me but instead of saying it to me you write like you are talking to someone else.

Yes dumbo, I am laughing at your punk arse delusional self, your Jesus magic is nothing but chance and motivation. I don't need your brand of chance and motivation, not especially when it comes in a delusional package.

i must be mistaken, here was i thinking you were the one needing explanations for everything while i just use simply faith. i never assumed it was a mark of dumbhood. Now, were you there when my eyes were going blind? No. You should understand that i made a general statement that INCLUDES you. The plural was very clear, why do you overate yourself to think i'll shy away from telling you the truth?
Jesus came to save you from sin. No need to live helplessly in sin while such great salvation is so close. Only believe.

LordReed:
To the civil I will be civil, not act it. To those who think breaching civility through the guise of ancient fairytales is acceptable, I will show them their hypocrisy. Like I showed you yours. Now come the crocodile tears as if it wasn't you who started with the insults. Rubbish. LMFAO!

But you were acting civil for a while until you could no longer contain such good behaviour. But i need to commend you though. It's not easy for a goat to behave like a sheep,or a sinner like a saint. It takes the grace of God. Like i earlier showed, i don't insult neither am i angry with/at you. We cannot do anything against the truth but for the truth.

LordReed:
One of the greatest, not the greatest. An acknowledgement that he is one of many and also all his work also depends on chance. Your Jesus magic works at the rate of chance making it one if the many aspects of chance. Until you can demonstrate that Jesus magic will save on command at everytime then you are playing with nothing but dice and trying to pass it off as certainty.

You missed the point yet again. i'm not arguing Messi's greatness but the fact that he scores goals and dribbles. Your point is that Jesus doesn't SAVE because He didn't save your folks. That's the fallacy i showed you using Messi as an illustration. Jesus saves.

LordReed:
More fairytales about your daddy Yahweh and his sidekick Satan. Stories you tell yourself to give you comfort on those lonely nights. LMFAO!

You forgot to answer the meaning of "passive aggressive" again. Were you lying as usual when you said "OMFD LMFAO." These are clear signs of your depravity as a man and your need for Jesus to save you from the lifestyle.

LordReed:
Why would you function by data that clearly contradicts your narrative that Jesus saves? Because you live in denial that's why. Christians dying all over the place is glaring evidence that there is no Jesus magic going on but delusional folk like you bury their heads in the sand and act the ostrich. LMFAO!

The data, statistics, video and documentaries of all the missed chances and failed dribbles of Leo Messi do not negate the FACT that he's one of the greatest soccer players that lived. They don't cancel the fact that he scores goals and dribbles. Your stats do not change the fact that Jesus saves. It doesn't get more simple than that.

blueAgent:
Am not writing to please Man but God.

2 Timothy 2:15.
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a
worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly
handles the word of truth.


John 8:32
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


You can see it is the truth you know that sets you free.
Ignorance can never save you or help you.

i meant that what you wrote was jumbled up and strenuous to read, little clarity.

blueAgent:
You are confused.

Because it does not determine our faith in Heaven or Hell means we should not endeavour to know the truth?

Good to hear that you now know that IT does not determine our fate in Heaven or Hell. You have almost overcome pride, remains little.

frosbel2:
Yes , LOST from your WHITE JESUS MYTH , but a beloved of GOD -

Now, go and use your JESUS to fix Nigeria, let us see.

As expected, you forgot to list what you have gained that i or other Christians didn't gain. The devourer has not pitied your retention. When Jesus comes, He'll fix the world. Prepare to meet Him.

LordReed:
Passive aggressive bullshít. And then the other shoe drops, it's the devil. OMFD! LMFAO!

Now you're bordering on the ridiculous, which one is "passive aggressive" again. Are you trying to write a poem?It will be pitiful if not worrisome to the sane if you're truly OMFD LMFAO. Or perhaps, you are caught in the lying web of your dad yet again. My Dad wants to help you. Really.

LordReed:
LMFAO! Here come the crocodile tears. Whenever you want to drop the veil of civility I will help you drop it so fast you'll have whiplash. Bwahahahahaha!

i understand it is a veil for you, in fact you tried. It's like watching pigs trying to act all neat like cats, it's almost a punishment. It's not in them. Jesus Christ saved me and He can save you. It is natural and not a veil for us to be pitiful and courteous. We show it in the face of folly all the time. Now i feel guilty strumming those wires like a guitar, i should apologise really. But why act civil when you can be your reed self? Hypocrisy itself risks punishment mr.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Don't run away from facts staring you in the face. Your Jesus magic is a sham. Look at the numbers any day you care to and tell me the percentage of Christians that are sick that get healed by Jesus magic versus those that don't. I will bet you, you either won't or can't. LMFAO!

What facts? Is there any fact greater than what i have personally and experientially and numerously seen, tasted and handled? Wake up, i'm not functioning by data and statistics, i live in glory. Everyone is invited. Imagine Dangote or Bill Gates refused to eat or enjoy life because of percentage of your likes that don't? Don't be comical, this is Monday morning.

Psa 18:6 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears. 

But the heathen said forget that the Lord answered you. Why did he not answer us and ours? If He doesn't answer us and ours, yours is not an answer. It is motivation. Comedians they are. When my eyes were going blind, they were of no help or value. They couldn't motivate or call on chance to save me. But i called Jesus, He saved me. Now they are gnashing teeth and giving theories. Theories that have not helped them. Did He give new legs? They will not accept it, devil is not that weak for a easy go.

LordReed:
Dummy hospitals give medicine how many times do you need to be told that? How can you compare the physical act of taking medication with the amorphous acts of prayer and supplication? Like how dumb on the scale of dumb are you?

EDIT: I guess it's too much for your dumbass to see what I am saying. The effects of medicine are and can be evaluated and shortcomings known. Nobody ever said medicine works 100% of the time but within the ambit of what should work an expected effect is always sort. Comparing that with prayer that you never know when it will work or not is the job of credulous adults.

I am asking you dumbass, to explain why your Jesus decided that a 5yr old dying of cancer is not worth saving while he gives new legs to someone else. Explain how this your Jesus saves but only saves some and not others.

Yes it is chance. Medical phenomena have occurred with or without prayer to the amazement of doctors. Credulous adults like you think only your Jesus magic does stuff when in actual fact a lot more unexplained things happen than can accounted for by Jesus magic.

Lol, you do need salvation. Don't have an heart attack, I'll only pray for you oh. i don't need to explain why Jesus didn't save your friends. i can clearly tell that Jesus saves. Don't be shy, open those eyes and see Jesus saves. Let Jesus save you, you're about to have a fit.

LordReed:
I don't disguise pointed insults, only dumb people think a pointed insult is disguised.

You are really dumb. We are talking about the present effects of this your Jesus salvation and you go on make reference to a future. Who said anything about future? You did. Then your dumb confused head comes and conflated everything. If you are confused I am not.

Oops, i must have touched a wire there.

blueAgent:
What I meant is that,there is no were i wrote that knowing what is rewarded is a criteria for entering Heaven.

We are instructed to proof God's word to diligently search at the truth in God's word. You failing to know or search out the truth about God's word is a great of fence before God.

2 Timothy 2:15.
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a
worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly
handles the word of truth.



Acts 17:11.
11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than
those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great
eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what
Paul said was true.


1 Thessalonians 5:21
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;

John 5:39
39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in
them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that
testify about me,

John 17:17.
17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Revelation 1:2.
2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God
and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 3:15-17.
15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures,
which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in
Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17
so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every
good work.

Do you think to enter Heaven requires you to sit around all day without you putting effort to discover and establish the truth of God's word?

Your writing na wa. All these don't tell us that knowing the itinerary of souls and spirits is what takes us to Heaven. I can also quote 20 verses na. You don't need to work to discover and establish the soul and spirit routes to "make" Heaven. Period.

LordReed:
And you sound dumb. Are you comparing taking medication with going to church?

Don't get into an epileptic fit, i'm only going to pray for you remember. Going to church is not salvation or Jesus, how many times do i have to tell you that? You can pick your shoes and bible and go to church right now. That's not Jesus saving you, or you being a Christian. Dump those archaic mindset you have been taught.
Your grouse is that Jesus didn't save/heal everybody or your friends that died of cancer. Therefore Jesus doesn't work or He is chance. If we follow your line of thought, premise or reasoning. The hospital doesn't heal everybody. i need to ask your royal biasness, are hospitals chance or motivation?
A chronic drunkard that beats his family and rapes his wife met with Jesus in a crusade and was saved instantly. For the past ten years since he met Jesus, He has never raped or beaten or got drunk. What sort of chance is this?
i knew someone who had one leg shorter than the other. The hospital gave this person special shoes. One day, Jesus gave this person new legs, same size. How do i tell this person Jesus didn't save the person? How do i explain that it was just chance or motivation?

LordReed:
Are you dumb? What "future" were you referencing?

Yeah, now comes the insults in the guise of reasoning. Does this show you are delusional? Sounds familiar? Here's what i said, don't get excited in a weird way. "They said Jesus salvation is invisible and future. We show them, they say it is either chance or motivation or anything else but Jesus."
Evidently, you are included in THEY. You complained about salvation being future. I showed you Present salvation. You started giving excuses. It is motivation, it is chance. I wish the flying spaghetti gave such motivation, don't you? You laughed it off, remember.

frosbel2:
Lost ? Pal, you are wasting the better part of your life on a MYTH.

I feel sad for you...

Waste how? List what you have gained that i or other Christians didn't gain. You feel sad because you're lost.

LordReed:
LoL! You want compare drinking medicine with going to church? SMH. LMFAO! Please go ahead.

Stay on track, you sound tipsy already. i said "A chronic drunkard that beats his family and rapes his wife met with Jesus in a crusade and was saved instantly. For the past ten years since he met Jesus, He has never raped or beaten or got drunk." You claimed that it is motivation/chance, that people react differently to different things. So many people don't get well but die in hospitals. Is this chance too or motivation?