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LordReed:
That doesn't work for every Christian? Then what is the point of accepting this "saving"?

Exactly, i've never said the aspect of healing works for everyone. For many reasons, it doesn't. You asked what Jesus saves from and i readily mentioned many things. You left the primary thing. Jesus wants to save you from sin and the coming judgement. All the other things are mere bonuses/additions/advantages. For example, we say Lionel Messi scores/dribbles or smoking kills. It doesn't mean it 100% does, this is simple grammar. So you cannot discard and say "oh Jesus don't save,since not everyone is saved from sickness". You gerrit?

LordReed:
Then we can stop pretending you a preaching a god of love or salvation.

No. Rather, we should stop holding tightly to our preconceived self imposed yet false notion of God. Notions never found in the Bible. All I'm saying is clearly stated in the Bible. All you are saying are your expectations, the supposed definition of God of which you have no examples.

LordReed:
According to you, your god created the universe, has any police force claimed to wield such power? How come to display this power is now a problem? He is still resting from the creating or as we can see he is busy enjoying the porn?

Display of the power is not the problem but neither is it the modus operandi. You seem to have an idea or definition of what you expect a "God" to do. He doesn't necessarily operate according to our expectations or mould of thinking. God doesn't intervene into every sin or stop man from every crime.

LordReed:
Same difference, Christians still die from sickness so how are they saved from it?

By being healed. BTW, God can save anybody from sickness, Christian or no Christian. He's benevolent. But He didn't eradicate sickness. Jesus good friend Lazarus was sick and died. Many other people in the Bible were sick including the great prophet Elisha. But God has a healing provision.

LordReed:
I understand you perfectly. Now understand this, if your god loves us and he can watch one of us rape another and consistently do nothing then were is the love? Do you watch the people love hurt themselves and do nothing about it? So your god watches all the worst sexual impulses play out live and does nothing. I don't know what else to call that kind of god but porn watcher.

You say that because you think/agree sex crimes to be bad. Now, think in God's perspective and our perspective. In God's perspective, lying, stealing, masturbation, abortion, sorcery are all bad. Imagine rooting for God to intervene in every crime case. He's not the police. But He sees it all, and will judge it all in the last day.

blueAgent:
Thats not true, majority of people think that The soul is immortal and it is the soul that goes to Heaven or Hell,
Which is wrong.

Who told you the thief knew nothing?
If he knew nothing why did he now ask to be saved from what?

Again, who cares? Are you saved or going to heaven or hell because you know the intricacies and routes of soul and spirit? The thief on the Cross knew BARELY nothing about correctest theology compared to Demas or Ananias and Sapphira. People should dwell more on important issues like how to be with God now and eternally, than academic exercises on the itinerary of souls and spirits.

LordReed:
It would have been nice if there was such. I mean a real actual living being with super powers that can order things from far away and have them be. There is no how injustice can escape such a being dont you think? Then to have that being love you, who would ever touch a hair on your head? Who born sickness? Alas nope y'all fall sick and die like everybody else so please tell me another story, this one isn't working.

Jesus loves you.

LordReed:
So your god treats us like microorganisms? No wonder.

i gave you the picture for you to understand the gap more easily. If a mere normal human is not excited by the unclothedness of a fellow human of same gender, if a normal father is not excited by the unclothedness of his little children, if a doctor/gyneacologist is not excited testing a patient, if you don't get wet seeing chicken or cockroaches mate, you should have enough sense that the gap between man and God is far greater in every ramifications. Folly is not intelligence.

LordReed:
You did so you are putting words in his mouth?

No, you read wrong as usual. I said Jesus saves from sickness, not that He will save from falling sick. If you are sick, He can save/heal you. But it doesn't mean you'll never be sick again here on earth. Eradication of sickness is clearly a future event in the Bible. His name is Jehovah Rapha- the Lord that heals/healeth, That's continued/continuous.

plaetton:
We read in the bible that Jesus, supposed son of the Supposed creator of the universe , came to Earth some 2000yrs ago, walked among humans and cured some diseases, many of them epidemic diseases like Leprosy, Polio, etc. Though He supposedly cured a few people of their personal ailments, the son of God, with the sum of all knowledge in the universe, failed or should we say, forgot to eradicate those diseases permanently.
After Jesus supposedly left the Earth , nothing changed in terms how humanity dealt with diseases and epidemics. Nothing changed at all.

2000yrs later , it took the scientific curiosity and endeavors of puny mortals(whose names you may not have even heard of ) in 1873 to discover that Leprosy was not caused by demons nor was it a punishment from Jesus's father. No, it was caused by a certain Bacterium. The first treatment became available in 1940. Halleluja !!

Ever since, there have been many different disease epidemics. And always, the scientific ingenuity of mortal humans have risen to the challenges and saved mankind.
Science ( When humankind speaks in one Tongue) has not cured all the diseases in the imperfect world that the perfect God supposedly created, but it has made tremendous progress in extending our lives and helping us manage a better quality of life.

So, when God goes Awol, Science stands up for humankind.

One would think He swore the Hippocratic oath in your room. SMH

LordReed:
Not even one! What an incredible porn loving God!

One thing i know, Jesus somehow loves you. Can you imagine?

CAPSLOCKED:
INCLUDING ALL MANNER OF GORE.
OR MAYBE EVERYTHING ENTIRELY IS "GOD'S PERFECT PLAN"?
YOU KNOW GOD CANNOT MAKE MISTAKES.

God's perfect plan is to save you. If it's failing so far, why is your brain not thinking it failed with your sinner colleagues?

LordReed:
It seems the god loves watching all manner of live porn.

Do you get all excited watching microorganisms mate?

CAPSLOCKED:
SAVES FROM WHAT?

From sin, from sickness, from folly, from suicide, from anger, from bitterness, from malice and malicious thoughts, from sexual uncleaness, from confusion, from fear, from lack of direction, from endless labour, from uncertainty, from judgement, from stealing, from lying, from shame and many more.

LordReed:
So why has Christ not saved Christians from falling sick?

He didn't say He would, did He?

blueAgent:
I don't understand.

Many people have right understanding. They understand what goes to heaven and what doesn't go. That is of little or no value to them or anyone as HOW to go to Heaven or WHO goes to heaven. I'm sure Ananias and Demas had these explanations and better. The saved THIEF at the Cross barely knew nothing.

paxonel:
you are right!

The word fiction isn't the right word to use in this context.

Perhaps the word phenomenon or something unusual is more appropriate, but all I'm saying is God never intended to make is ways phenomenon to us.

All these is what they call rigmarole. God is a God that does miracles. Who is like unto Him, whose name is called Wonderful. Doing wonders is His nature.

MrPresident1:
Yes, the verse you quoted is correct.

You don't think this verse is talking about the sun?

What sun? Are you deliberate on obfuscation?

MrPresident1:
1 Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Interprete this verse and have your answer

i didn't get the answer, sorry. Are you alive? What does it mean to be alive.

LordReed:
So basically from being human. Lemme ask you, do Christians fall sick?

Exactly, from the fallen state of man. You sure need salvation. The first step to salvation is an acceptance of your state and status of misery. Some Christians fall sick. All sick humans can be saved from sickness. Are you sick?

Who cares what? The important questions like David asked should be "Who"?, "How?" What is the gain of knowing what if you don't know how?

LordReed:
Save from what?

From sin, from sickness, from folly, from suicide, from anger, from bitterness, from malice and malicious thoughts, from sexual uncleaness, from confusion, from fear, from lack of direction, from endless labour, from uncertainty, from judgement, from stealing, from lying, from shame and many more.

MrPresident1:
Image123 you no answer this question

Who is Jesus the man?

Act 1:11 KJV Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

paxonel:
did i say Jesus did not physically ascend?
Perhaps you are finding what I'm saying difficult to comprehend, I affirmed that Jesus actually ascended physically, but that was a miracle.
I'm telling you that anything miracle you see in the bible is fictious against reality.

God never intended to be fictious or performing miracles from the beginning, it wasn't his original plan. A scripture says charity or love is greater than miracles or fictions.
Love is more realistic than miracles or fictions and Christ want today Christians to operate on the basis of reality than to be fictious or miracle minded people like the disciples were in bible days.

Do you get me now?

i think you need to check up on the meaning of "fiction".

MrPresident1:
What concourse does the living have with the dead? Smh

Tell us. Are you alive? What does it mean to be alive.

jimcaddy:
Quick one oh. I would love to know if having premarital sex/ fornication is a lesser sin than masturbation? The bible was more specific on fornication but not really specific on masturbation. However, i feel masturbation is a dirty act. But to put it in that 'sin' bracket, especially when there is really no specific biblical scriptures to back it up is what ususally causes the confusion over whether it's right or not. I have heard some say go and have a girlfriend rather than masturbate. But won't you sleep with your girlfriend? You and your gf have both sinned by fornicating. So what's the use. The topic is so controversial jor.

Anyone that has the Spirit of God and treasures the presence of God knows that masturbation is a dirty act. Children of God don't meddle with uncleaness. Even sinners feel unclean after masturbation. They don't need to tell a blind man that rain is falling. A conscience void of offence will not masturbate or be hoping to. It's like a cat hoping to get in the mud. No, it's not in our nature as God's family.

MrPresident1:
Does he slay? Mr imbalance

Judgement day is coming. Today is the day of your salvation. Jesus is coming soon.

MrPresident1:
He will slay in good time, good point

We need to be balanced in our reporting, he is coming to crown and also lift up heads

Does Jesus save? Mr balance.

MrPresident1:
You have not even started smh. You are not yet born sef talk less of starting to crawl; and eagles are already soaring, I smh deeply. If he is cured of his madness, it is a level of redemption for him.

In context, hell is conditions right here on this earth, heaven is conditions right here on this earth. The madman is in hell awaiting redemption. Nobody goes to heaven or hell upon physical death, their spirit goes to rest in God; all conditions you see right here on this earth, suffering or enjoyment, is hell or heaven. Punishment is right here under the sun.

Black skinned people are in hell awaiting the return of Jesus which is their redemption, this is why Jesus said when we see the fulfilment of prophecy we should look up because our redemption draws near. This is soaring eagle knowledge, how can you understand when you've not even begun crawling?

Isaiah 19:24-25
24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

What day is this passage referring to? The day of redemption of the ancient Assyrians, the ancient Israelites, and the ancient Egyptians, who are collectively called Africans today.

Apparently, you still believe that Jesus the man is still coming from the skies, right? Smh vigorously

SMH. Indeed, only few are roaming. i understand that God will not give up on you. Thank God i'm not God fa.
I remember when this your moniker was making claims to knowing when Jesus was coming. I remember clearly telling you nobody knows the day or time. You continued headlong in your self deceit. Now see the ludicrous imaginations it has led you too. All in a bid for your proud self to explain away your vain prophecy, you've totally entered another realm of deception.

CAPSLOCKED:
A GOD THAT IS MORE INTERESTED IN SAVING THIS LOST CLOWN FROM HIS OWN PLEASURE THAN SAVING HUNDREDS FROM BOKO HARAM EXECUTION, INCLUDING LEAH SHARIBU AND THAT SLAIN SEMINARIAN...... IS NOT WORTHY OF MY ATTENTION.

His own pleasure that he claims to be harming him and killing him. God Himself said they will be killed and persecuted,don't you remember? If God didn't believe in heaven, He'd have since saved millions from bokoboys. But God is not an atheist who doesn't think out of his satan imposed box, remember? God lives in Heaven. Call Him, believe it or not, He wants to save your sorryhood.

CAPSLOCKED:
WHERE CAN I MEET THIS ALMIGHTY GOD SO I CAN SAY IT TO IT'S FACE?

You'll get to meet Him on judgement day. Ordinary state governor you have not met,you'll be dobaleeing.

sunnyfats:
Thank you brother.....
That guy's explanation is one of the most absurd explanation I have ever come across.

Brother i weak o.