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LordReed:
Who is talking about the dreams of an afterlife now? SMH. What kind of reasoning is this for pete's sake?

Are you hallucinating? i didn't mention afterlife or dreams in that statement.

frosbel2:
Jesus can save us from what exactly ?

Look at your Nigeria and the current mess it is in , how is Jesus helping to save the situation ?

Read through lost frosb.

LordReed:
Yes, it's both that's why it works for some and it doesn't work for others. There is no Jesus magic going on. People are different and react differently to different things. Your Jesus magic will never negate that.

Same applies to hospitals and schools? We should wish that people reacted this way to the flying spaghetti, don't you think?

They said Jesus salvation is invisible and future. We show them, they say it is either chance or motivation or anything else but Jesus. Thank You Lord Jesus.

LordReed:
Is that what I said you said?

You forgot to show it. Or you cannot?

LordReed:
That is motivation. You'd see it if you weren't delusional.

Okay, it's chance, then motivation? What next to explain away the glaring truth?

LordReed:
And you fail to see that your Jesus magic is nothing but chance disguised.

i see you are exasperated, no worries. Jesus will save you from sin. A chronic drunkard that beats his family and rapes his wife met with Jesus in a crusade and was saved instantly. For the past ten years since he met Jesus, He has never raped or beaten or got drunk. Thats chance? Tell that to the rocks.

LordReed:
Yes because you expressed your thoughts in writing and it showed you don't understand how you are being delusional.

Show it. Where in my writings for over 10years on NL did i say hospitals don't work or healed sickness?

LordReed:
Do hospitals claim to be magical saviours or schools magical places? You magic saviour has exactly the same rate of success as chance and you don't see how you are being delusional? LMFAO!

You constantly fail to see that those illustrations are simply to help your poor reasoning not compare oranges and apples.Hospitals work, schools work, Jesus works. They are not products of chance like you hope. A chronic drunkard that beats his family and rapes his wife met with Jesus in a crusade and was saved instantly. For the past ten years since he met Jesus, He has never raped or beaten or got drunk. Thats chance? Tell that to the rocks.

LordReed:
That's because you don't understand what being delusional means. It doesn't mean that you didn't experience these things, it means you think the only thing that produces such results is Jesus magic.

You are now in my thoughts. What a mighty God we serve. Clap for yourself. I never knew atheists go into people's thoughts and leave all the people said or wrote.

LordReed:
Check your original claim. Did you not claim Jesus saves? So if he doesn't save then what are you on about? Get your story straight.

Get your understanding straight. I clearly remember telling you Leonel Messi dribbles or scores and using the analogy with a match he doesn't score. It doesn't change the fact that Messi scores. Do hospitals work? Is school of any use?

LordReed:
You are using your bible to project what you think. Here's what I think of you in plain sight and without the shield of fairytales, you are delusional. You believe fairytales are real and are living your life according to the dictates of a fairytale. It makes you just LARPing delusional person.

Delusional? The measles was delusional? The doctors report on eye problem was delusional? My sins that Jesus removed were delusional? You've got jokes. He changed my life around oga. I've constantly and consistently seen Him change lives and families. Cultists, adulterers, sorcerers, folks on the verge of suicide etc Go and tell them their life is delusional. Lol

LordReed:
I know a Christian parent whose 5yr old died of cancer. Abeg save your stories for the gullible.

Like i showed you, I know many who died in hospital or died coming from hospital. i know people who went to school and have same certs but are failed. It doesn't change the fact that school and hospitals work.

LordReed:
Oh please. It is not any magical than someone who took a journey to set themselves right. It is always a process. Your Jesus magic doesn't change it, it just changes the motivating factor.

It's instantaneous and free and more powerful. Total and complete. Not self improvements.

LordReed:
Yeah now come the insults in the guise of bible says. What it proves is you are delusional.

To insult is to get angry and call you names that you are not, or to make jest of you. If i said "idiot, ode, fool, stupid, animal" etc, that's insult. But calling a blind man blind is not insult except you are mocking him.
BTW, i was once dead like you, and even dead in another way now. FACT should not be taken as insult. Take it as feedback. Jesus loves you and would save you.

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; View more

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

LordReed:
These things happen without your Jesus magic.

Not many times. Jesus saves a chronic liar in an instant. Many a helpless drunkard and hopeless masturbator received glorious liberty free of charge and have instantly turned to useful and responsible people for their families, the church and the nation. That's what makes it "magical", duh.

LordReed:
So just a roundabout way of saying even if you are "saved" by Jesus from sickness, you are not really "saved" because life? Bwahahahahaha! OMFG! Are you hearing yourself at all?

Nope. i know a child saved by Jesus from measles. The child could have died, or endured the torture till okay. But the child was saved/healed. If you think that's useless, it's simply you a sinner thinking like you are expected to. Now, that doesn't mean that the child may not be sick in say 80years time and die through that sickness and go to Heaven. If that's funny to you, it's perfectly understandable. Many real and serious things are funny to the pitiable. Jesus loves you.

LordReed:
Unproven, unknown, unevidenced, unseen, etc. So many adjectives to describe it and none of them inspire any confidence that you speaking about something that is real.

Proves that you are dead and blind like the Bible described. If you believe, you will see. It's a very simple stuff.

LordReed:
No you like a hapless spectator revelling in a charlatan's "magic" show. What you think you are seeing is just the deceptions sleight of hand generates to the brain, then you shout and call it magic. 2 of us are looking this show, 1 of us is swooning at "magic", the other is laughing and enjoying the show.

I love this kind of magic that delivers a helpless drunkard, chronic liar and hopeless masturbator.

LordReed:
So why do Christians die of disease then? why didn't it work? Why are there Christians with amputeed limbs? Why is it not working for them? Why are Christian children getting inoperable cancers in the brain and dying before the eyes of their Christian parents? Why is it not working for them? Need more examples of how many more Christians it is not working for?

Many reasons, life is complicated not your straight algebra. That two people went to the same schools, same class and same certificates, even same result doesn't make them turn out same way. That's life. Doesn't mean education is useless. Some are saved or healed, some are not. That others are not healed doesn't negate the FACT about the healing and salvation of the others.
BTW, healing and health are different issues you seem to be getting twisted. Be that as it may, not everyone is healed. And that you are healed today doesn't mean you can't be sick tomorrow. That you are discharged from hospital today doesn't mean you'll not be admitted next year. Maybe we should discard hospital, right? Or blame hospital?
To God, He would rather have His saints with Him forever than here on earth where there's sin, sickness, temptation, problem etc. Death is an avenue or exit door to be with God. Death comes in various ways, especially sickness. You're more likely to exit the world sick than healthy. It's a catch 22 as it were. But it doesn't remove the FACT about enjoying divine healing, health and deliverance like i do and i've seen others do.

LordReed:
Wow so you are one of those "Christians do not commit suicide" people while pastors have killed themselves quite recently. You need to rethink that approach because you only stifle those who you would call brother or sister from reporting how they truly feel. Striping them of identity because they have suicidal thoughts is not going to help. Think about that when you talk about love because your attitude certainly is not love.

Christians commit all these things every damn day so please spare me the double speak. Even you I no doubt have you own because no man is perfect.

The invisible is just that invisible. It cannot be primary to anything because you don't even know it, never seen it, never witnessed it. So as far as we are concerned it is not primary. Living in this life now, thats primary. How you treat yourself and your fellow humans that's primary. Not some anomalous nebulous event nobody has a freaking clue about from a book of fairy tales.

Am I an atheist because i say so? No. Am i a doctor or graduate or president because i say so? No. Am i a Christian because i say so? No. Being a Christian is defined. The scriptures clearly defined the Christian. He doesn't do those things you mentioned. Also, they are few and on the narrow way. Not all those millions in your Wikipedia statistics are Christians.

The invisible is primary as it is the main thing. Judgement/Eternity and salvation from sin are the primary salvation. I'm saved from sin, i was once lost and helpless in sin like you. i once thought no one can be saved or "perfect" like you think. But Jesus saved me from sin. i'm free. Not future, NOW.

LordReed:
You do know the meaning of evident right? How is Jesus loves me evident?

It's evident to me, not you. It's like a blind man and one who is not blind in the same room. I'm like the doctor holding the test on an hapless patient.

blueAgent:
Yes it matters. the bible says faith cometh by hearing God's word and without faith no man can please God.

But you were asking me where you wrote such. SMH for you. Don't swell your head with matter bros. Please God by living in His fear and doing His will.

blueAgent:
If you are honest you will admit that you thought it was the Soul that is rewarded.

I'll say it clearly again. Right theology on soul or spirit is not a prerequisite to make heaven. Stop being comical.

blueAgent:
Am sure you did not know the truth on this issue till you read this post.

So i now know the truth on this issue? You've got jokes braa

Peacefullove:
If your postulatiom that doctrine isn't important is correct, Jesus won't have told his disciples to be careful of the doctrines of the Pharisees. Lesson: what you belief matters.


In fact, if you believe in an undying human soul, You can't believe Jesus died for mankind.

My postulation doesn't state that doctrine is unimportant. My postulation states that knowledge of the itinerary of souls and spirits doesn't SAVE anyone. You can very well march right into Heaven and live eternally with God without ever hearing anything the OP stated.

LordReed:
Not my preconceived notions but yours. Your said Jesus loves and saves when no such love or salvation is evident. So who is at fault? You who is preaching a love and salvation that has no bearing in reality, that's who.

Love is evident because Jesus still loves you and would save you despite yourself.

LordReed:
I picked sickness because that is a visible one but we can explore any of the others and find the same thing. Christians still sin, suicide, get angry, are still bitter, still have malice and malicious thoughts, are sexual deviant, confused, afraid, lack direction, endlessly labour, uncertain, steal, lie, ashamed and many more.

The only one we cannot explore is judgement because of course its beyond the veil of death which nobody has pierced.

Fortunately or unfortunately for you, the "invisible" is the primary one, salvation from judgement and sin. Christians don't sin, commit suicide, get angry, bitter, have malice and malicious thoughts, are sexual deviant, confused, afraid, lack direction, endlessly labour, uncertain, steal, lie. Anyone who does these is not a Christian and has no hope of eternity. No be me talk am, the Bible says so. Those who do these things DO NOT BELIEVE that it's possible to be free from them. If you don't believe, it's near impossible to be saved.

blueAgent:
Where did I write such?

I said are we going to heaven or hell because you know the intricacies of soul and spirit? You said "How can you be with God when you do not have the true knowledge of who he is and what he says?
Can 2 work together if they do not agree?"

LordReed:
That doesn't work for every Christian? Then what is the point of accepting this "saving"?

It works for everyone, Christian or no Christian. It's called healING. Jesus can heal anyone, and He heals anyone. If you are sick today, He can heal you despite yourself. Healing is different from absence of sickness on earth. God promised healing, not absence or eradication of sickness which you continue to imply.

anonimi:
Five years later, the lies that were packaged as fake realities are clear for all to see.
Enjoy your change now turned to next level shuffering and shmiling.





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You've not made much sense babaaa. "Bring electricity and security, fight corruption, and the right market and economy will be created, it would shock the world. I'm not impressed by the Chinese, Indians and co trooping in to make illegal gain and treat our own country men like slaves." Point still remains valid for any government. Jonathan FAILED to bring electricity and security, fight corruption. Buhari is also failing. Hopefully for the sake of patriotism, his scoresheet ends better.
Millions of people who voted in Buhari voted in GEJ against the likes of Atiku and Buhari in 2011. But he failed woefully. Same hope folks had in OBJ been better than military, same hope for GEJ, same hope for Buhari. They all failed in retrospect. In fact, people are even thinking maybe the military was better and Abacha not that bad. That is the unfortunate situation our political leaders have continued to put the country. GEJ was terrible and I'll pick Buhari ahead of him if elections were held tomorrow and they were the only two viable candidates. GEJ was the one ineffectual in charge during our proverbial "seven years of plenty". Instead we had fantastic unforgivable plunder.

blueAgent:
How can you be with God when you do not have the true knowledge of who he is and what he says?
Can 2 work together if they do not agree?

Oh, brainy theology of whether spirit or soul go to Heaven is what determines eternal destiny?