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valentineuwakwe:
I may diagreee with daddy freeze on this and agree with your words butwhatthe pastors wife said is wrong.....my pastors are not my parents, left alone kindred....if i find a wife i wnt to marry...first to consult is my family. ..simple......why are they trhing to make things hard for this new generation of youths? wen pastor wanted to marry her as a Yoruba man, did he consult his pastor or did they not visit the village to see baba n iya?

Meeting the pastor in the sense implied is not for consent but for counselling. Church consent comes on wedding day if I still recall.

QuickStandard:
No comments

But on a serious note, I don't think a pastor should take the place of the parents.

There's no bible verse backing for that claim.

IMO.

I don't think they are taking the place of the parents but helping the process. There should be some kind of marriage counselling before parental consent. The church is in a good position for marriage counselling.

Draei:
Those are copies. The affidavit can assume different dimensions. Not necessarily it's like the one i just uploaded.

Hello Draei, please i want to confirm if Uniben admits below 16years old candidate.

brocab:
The Spirit that is in me, is alive and well! Since you believe you are dead-try asking God, for the same Spirit..

Listen very carefully. I am dead, I don't need to live with myself. You should try it.

brocab:
I couldn't live with myself, if I had to give God such a small percentage, I couldn't live with myself if I had to convince myself that tithing is biblical. I couldn't live with myself, if I lied to God about tithing, It's even more difficult if I had to stand on a pulpit, lying to the Church-how God expects them to pay the Pastor a rich salary every week, how God blesses more of those who tithe more abundantly.
I couldn't live with myself, if I had told the Church God blesses some 30 fold, some 60 fold, and a 100 fold money back guarantee.

Eeyah, sorry about that. Me, I'm already dead. You should try to be.

JMAN05:
Yap, but not all percentage is necessarily 10. Shey?

Good. Seeing you agree that everything one gives is a percentage of something, we should all give our percentages in peace and faith, shouldn't we?

Errm, nobody said there was, or at least i did not. Focus.

Peacefullove:
Neither is there anymore requirement or Levite priests to collect tithes

OkaiCorne:
Beautiful question!


Please also ask image123 if he has sold off all his possessions to follow Jesus...after all, Jesus told a rich young man to do so to follow Him...

After all, the according to image123 the words of Jesus are not tribalistic...

If Jesus asked me to sell off my possessions, by the grace of God, i would. But He did not tell me to. He said many other things though, and i do them joyfully. Again, Jesus is not tribalistic, don't be.

OkaiCorne:
I show mercy, faith and judgement... and that is what is expected of any human being be it Christians, Muslims, Buhddists, Judaists e.t.c.


Now please tell us how all human beings ought to tithe because Jesus said so to the Pharisees who were under the burden of the Mosaic law to tithe...

We are waiting patiently...


I'm also awaiting your research results on the origin of tithing in the church

At last, glory be to God you answered. What took you so long, research? Why do you obey the weighty matters of the law and like an hypocritical pharisee frown so much on the less weighty parts?

brocab:
Is this the only verse that backs up your madness of lies and wonders? Isn't there another verse you can use, that would line up with what you believe is the Word of God..
{Matthew 23:23}
“Woe to you, [self-righteous] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you give a tenth (tithe) of your mint and dill and cumin [focusing on minor matters], and have neglected the weightier [more important moral and spiritual] provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the [primary] things you ought to have done without neglecting the others.
{Does this mean Jesus is calling tithers hypocrites?}

When will you tear the verse from your Bible again?

Peacefullove:
Have you forgotten same Jesus also said;

44 “See that you don’t tell this to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your cleansing, as a testimony to them" Mark 1 vs 44

Mr, Do you still practice this too ? Jesus didn't condemn it o , he approve and told them to do it .

If i needed to practice it, i would. There is no such requirement or priest in my area for a testimony to them. My justification is by faith and i know that very well. Paul also went to the temple for cleansing, you know?

Peacefullove:
The same Jesus ask Lepers to go appear before the priest according to Custom , He support the Jewish religion ?

You are very right.
Mat_8:4  And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
Mar_1:44  And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
Luk_5:14  And he charged him to tell no man: but go, and shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

We should also learn to obey the laws of our land as far as they do not contradict the Word of God. It is like giving to the Government what belongs to the Government, very applicable in our day. Doing these do not contradict the will of God but are things God Himself is pleased with.

petra1:
good question.

Well done mr Petra. It's been a while. How's the ministry and Christ in you sir?

JMAN05:
Faith, you will agree, has nothing to do with percentage when giving to God. Right?

The JUST shall live by faith. Giving is part of my life, and whatever i give is by faith. Everything one gives is a percentage of something, isn't it?

brocab:
Most tithers claim giving means give only a small 10% to God. Giving means everything-Abraham gave everything..
Abraham gave and tithed all-100% is never a tithers dream, a tither tithes only 10%-which doesn't follow the story of Abraham.
Abraham didn't need the worldly kings say they made Abraham rich, "Why because Abraham believed God-God had already made Abraham rich-in blessings through belief-God rewarded Abraham with abundance of land, crops and stocks. God gave Abraham everything, the desires of Abraham's heart was to seek God for wisdom and knowledge, Solomon also seeked God for wisdom and knowledge..
How else did Abraham win the war-Abraham didn't need the spoils of war to make him rich-Abraham didn't need man to say they made him rich-God had already made Abraham rich because the riches that was given to him were from a supernatural being spirituality from above, Abraham would seek after God, it was God's wisdom, that made Abraham blessed 100 fold abundantly.
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” {Galatians 3:10}
"Do yourself a favour, ask the Spirit of the Lord to help you study your bible, Image123 the riches you seek, are not the riches Abraham seek, your riches are carnal, worldly, riches that can only be taught by man, your desires are your Pastor's desires, you want what your Pastor want's.
God sends in men and women of prosperity, preachers that love money more then they love God, God also sends in the army of people who also love money that fills their Churches, Churches full of dead man's bones of health and wreath. "Your desires are with your congregation, which are your Pastors desires, his dreams are your dreams, 10% of $10 every week, from a 1000 people is $10,000.
Abundantly building Mega Churches-fancy homes and wearing costly clothing, driving expensive vehicles, Churches competing against the other-having large amounts of cash sitting in personal bank accounts, it takes the world to recognise it's own kind.
"Seeking after God's riches is completely the opposite, it changes our lives, those who seek after God are blessed abundantly-just like Abraham and Solomon's story both were blessed abundantly, God filled their house with wisdom and knowledge-because both obeyed God.
First seek the kingdom of God and all things shall be added to you.
His riches will overshadow you, your giving will increase, once you decide to give to God-giving everything to God is easy, it sets us free from believing that God needs only your 10% of Mammon every-week.

Oga, get a Bible and stop all these poster color nonsense.
Heb_7:2  To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb_7:4  Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

A tenth is 10%, there is no way you can or should twist it to 100%

OkaiCorne:
Read your Bible again! The spoils of war was never Abram's property in the first place!

10% was given to Melchizedek and the 90% was returned to the rightful owners. Or did your Bible mention that Abram kept the spoils of war to himself?


Also do your bit by researching on the origin of tithing in the church... and confirm if it was an early church doctrine practiced and preached by the Apostles...OR whether it originated from the Catholic Church...


We are waiting patiently...

Duh, spoils belong to the victor mr researcher. Please do the research.

Gen 14:18  And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 
Gen 14:19  And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 
Gen 14:20  And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. 
Gen 14:21  And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. 
Gen 14:22  And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, 
Gen 14:23  That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich: 
Gen 14:24  Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion. 

As you can clearly see in verse 24, 90% was not returned. Also, any Bible student will/should know that Abram conquered many kings, not just one so i don't see how you jumped to conclusion that all the spoil belonged to Sodom. Abrm made a personal decision not to take anything from Sodom BTW, so he would not have given tithe of their portion of spoil, just like he didn't take Lot's property/goods to give tithe. Go and figure.

OkaiCorne:
Matthew 23 v 23 validated tithing in line with the Mosaic Law. Do you tithe according to the Mosaic Law?

Did the Mosaic Law apply to the gentiles too?

It doesn't say any such thing, you only assume so. When Hebrews mentioned tithe, it did not classify it as Mosaic law or non-Mosaic law. It is the itks of out time who will not even do the law that made such fancy classifications. Tithe is simply a tenth, 10%. It has nothing to do with Moses. Listen to our brother Paul yet again;
1Co 16:2 Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come.
If i give my 10percent proportion every Sunday, nobody is taking me to hell for it. Let that sink in, sir gentile.

OkaiCorne:
Isn't it funny how image123 quotes Matthew 23 v 23 that Jesus says tithing ought to be done, but conveniently ignores that tithing Jesus referred to was done in line with the Mosaic Law.

I wonder why image123 does not tithe in line with the requirements of the Mosaic Law if Matthew 23 v 23 is anything to go by...then he remembers he's no longer under the law... But yet still mentions that Jesus said tithing ought to be done still using Matthew 23 v 23 as his basis...


So much for confusion...

Mat 23:23  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Is judgment, mercy and faith in line with the Mosaic law, whatever that means? Why do claim to do mercy and have faith which are greater heavier matters of the law but strain at a gnat? Are you not been hypocritical?

OkaiCorne:
I have mentioned repeatedly on this thread that you should go and research on the origin of tithing in the church!

Do your research and put it here with the source. By now you would have known that tithing is not an early church doctrine...but I guess you'd rather deflect and accuse me of forcing Brocab's research down your throat!

So Abram's tithe is the origin of tithing in the church abi? Smh

i did my research. Guess what? i found out that Abraham gave tithes before the law. He gave a tenth before any early church doctrine. He is referred to by Paul as the father of them that believe. There is no sin in emulating his beautiful example. The faith walk is a personal walk based on God and His Word, and not based on academic research so called.

OkaiCorne:
It's disgusting when someone sees a straightforward truth but still wants to twist it.

In Matthew, Mark, Luke and John...had Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law when He spoke of tithing?

After His death and ressurection....move on to the other gospels written from Acts to Revelation...

Show us where tithing was mentioned in any of the letters addressed to the gentile churches!

After doing this... Research on the origin of tithing in the church, and you'll see that it is not an early church doctrine... unlike what we see in the church now.

Very simple question I've asked you... you're yet to address it.

Don't be ridiculous. You are asking me to cut out four books and Hebrews out of the Bible because you do not want to hear the word 'tithe'. i ought to obey God rather than you. i will hold on to the Word of God.
There is no twist in the fact that the scripture passages i quoted show that tithes were done before the law and that they were more than just agro-produce. Also, Jesus said that they ought to be done.He also said that Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Or that is also irrelevant since Jesus has not fulfilled the Mosaic law according to you? i also did not fail to tell you;
"1Co 16:2 Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come.
If i give my 10percent proportion every Sunday, nobody is taking me to hell for it. Let that sink in, sir gentile."

My tithe is in proportion to what i earn, or is 10% not proportion again?

OkaiCorne:
You are contradicting yourself.

Jesus said tithing ought to be done...it was mandatory for those who were under the Mosaic Law to do it! Or are you implying tithing was merely optional for those under the Mosaic Law?

Saying tithing ought to be done and then quoting another verse that borders on freewill giving is contradictory...

Thankfully, everyone on this thread can see that clearly...

By the way... I wonder how the proportion in 1 Cor 16v2 translates to a tenth of one's monthly income... unless you are implying Paul validates tithing... which is another lie you're trying to bring up...

Lemme break it down for you.

(BBE)  A curse is on you, scribes and Pharisees, false ones! for you make men give a tenth of all sorts of sweet-smelling plants, but you give no thought to the more important things of the law, righteousness, and mercy, and faith; but it is right for you to do these, and not to let the others be undone.
(CEV)  You Pharisees and teachers are show-offs, and you're in for trouble! You give God a tenth of the spices from your garden, such as mint, dill, and cumin. Yet you neglect the more important matters of the Law, such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the important things you should have done, though you should not have left the others undone either.
(ERV)  "It will be bad for you teachers of the law and you Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You give God a tenth of the food you get, even your mint, dill, and cumin. But you don't obey the really important teachings of the law—being fair, showing mercy, and being faithful. These are the things you should do. And you should also continue to do those other things.
(GNB)  "How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin, but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty. These you should practice, without neglecting the others.
(GW)  "How horrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give God one-tenth of your mint, dill, and cumin. But you have neglected justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the most important things in Moses' Teachings. You should have done these things without neglecting the others.
(ISV)  "How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your mint, dill, and cummin, but have neglected the more important matters of the Law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the things you should have practiced, without neglecting the others.

Nothing above implies force/mandatory like you want it to. Dictionary defines OUGHT as ought [awt]
CORE MEANING: a modal verb indicating what somebody should do


We are talking of what Jesus said, not what you think or want Him to say.
Also, tithe is in proportion. Paul asked people to give in proportion. That is as simple as it gets.

Permit me to finish replying you and you should try to lump together your response, else i will of course see some of the replies as already answered and as usual you will accuse me of not replying you or dodging you. This is not a whatsapp chat.

HardMirror:
glad you know. How is kindergarten, heard you moving to nursery one this new session

It's a joy to see you still look up to me, lol. Don't kill yourself oh.

OkaiCorne:
How did Jacob benefit from Abram's tithe?

By vowing to give. How else do you want it?

You mentioned Abram gave a tithe of all...and I had to clarify that it was from the spoils of war and not from his personal assets or income!

What's the connection between that and a Christian having to tithe from his or her personal income?

You are yet to answer that...

What is personal asset and income? Did anyone bring any so called personal asset or income from heaven? Do the spoils of war not belong to Abraham or you do not know history? My point was very clear and several times reiterated that tithes was given of more than agro-produce. If you do not accept this basic fact, you are free to argue endlessly with your keyboard or siblings. I am sure you remember the question i have been asking you for weeks, don't be an hypocrite.

brocab:
Abraham tithed because of a law made by the kings, it was their custom to tithe into the Kings house, Abraham tithed everything-you only tithe 10% and still you can't get it right? You don't tithe under God's law, In "Deuteronomy" you tithe under man's law, bring all your tithes into the Church of unbiblical teachings, "so my Pastor's will be fed in Riches of Gold and Silver and precious stones.

This are the kind of baseless and ridiculous research OkaiCorne expects me to follow. For the first time in my life, i am hearing that Abraham's tithe is not 10% but 100%

The Law of the Tithe {Deuteronomy 14:22-26}
“Set aside a tithe—a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.
{If we were to obey the Law, no-one would stave}
Then go to the one place where the Lord your God has chosen to be worshiped; and there in his presence eat the tithes of your grain, wine, and olive oil, and the first-born of your cattle and sheep.
{Some Churches says if you don't tithe into the Church one week, you pay double the tithe the next week, God say" it's alright, sell your tithe and buy anything you wish to do with it}
Do this so that you may learn to honor the Lord your God always.
{How do we learn to honor anybody If the Church keeps on harassing us to give money}
If the place of worship is too far from your home for you to carry there the tithe of the produce that the Lord has blessed you with, then do this: Sell your produce and take the money with you to the one place of worship. "Spend it on whatever you want—beef, lamb, wine, beer—and there, in the presence of the Lord your God, you and your families are to eat and enjoy yourselves.
{What this means is, pay your bills, feed your family, this is your blessing the Lord have given us}
“Do not neglect the Levites who live in your towns; they have no property of their own. At the end of every third year bring the tithe of all your crops and store it in your towns.
{Tithes is equally shared with everybody, tithes are not to build Church buildings, nor is it for just Pastors}
This food is for the Levites, since they own no property, and for the foreigners, orphans, and widows who live in your towns. They are to come and get all they need. Do this, and the Lord your God will bless you in everything you do.
If Churches would respond to giving the tithes to the People, as the Lord had told us to do, giving them the cash would allow everybody to be equally satisfied, we wouldn't find so many pastors wanting the job to lead the Church, instead of air-conditioners, and expecting their easy wage in envelops every Sunday, just like the disciples, we all need to earn a hard day's work sweating in the Sun to feed our own.

Yet another round of fallacies, assumptions mixed with some general Bible knowledge.

HardMirror:
buzz me when you know how to spell. Till then keep stealing

You should behave your age, you are not in jss 2.

MrPristine:
Very well said but image123 will never listen. I suspect he is Pastor that benefits from the tithe scam.

Why do i suspect you to be a certain Kunle? i guess all the people that give tithes are pastors benefiting from the tithe scam. You must be having very wild imaginations.

JMAN05:
OK, but the tithe I hear today is of the law. They madly quote Mal 3:8-10.

If the Law's tithe is not the point you are defending, then no discussion should even be held since the tithe before d law is not a law nor command from God. It is left to an individual to give what he wishes, either 10% or more or even less. No need to even demand such tithe from d altar because it is not a requirement.

i don;t live by what i hear today or what you hear today, i live by faith in the Word of God.

brocab:
Yeh bro, I can see it, the Word of God is freely given to those who seek, not everybody seeks after the Word of God! Satan said to Jesus bow down before me and I will give you all the kingdoms on earth-Jesus said: get behind Me Satan you shall worship God and Him only you shall serve.
Satan said: bow down before me, and he will give you the desires of the heart.
{Ephesians 4:11} He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Should we say tithing talks while the innocent walks, Will tithing set us free-can tithing bring life, will tithing protect the saints, can tithing edify the body of Christ, can it deliver us from evil, can tithing save us? "What does tithing bring "prosperity of health and wealth, does it not cause disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, tithing causes men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is their means to financial gain!
And yet Jesus said: foxes have holes, birds have nest, while He had no place to rest His head: and the apostles laid amongst the thorns.
Image 123 drives fancy car's, the highways is his home, his life style is his riches, his dreams and his visions are focus on worldly luxuries!

Once you give 10% to God, you drive fancy car's, the highways is his home, his life style is his riches, his dreams and his visions are focus on worldly luxuries. What sort of logic is this? Is this what you call christianity? You have more serious issues than tithes, you need divine help.

brocab:
I don't believe you-fast twice a week, and then bring your tenth of all you earn to the Church you attend, I know you don't obey God's rules, you deafeningly don't obey the law on tithing, not the way God commanded the Jewish farmers to tithe.

What has fasting got to do with anything? i quoted those scriptures IN BOLD showing you that people GAVE tithes, contrary to your attempt to separate tithe from giving. Learn to read to understand, not just like a robot that wants to argue. Again, if what i give is not tithe, you should have no problem with it or even comment on this thread again.

The Pharisees were lairs too!
{Luke 18:10-12} Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ {A tenth is pretty little when giving is more or less}
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God.
It's obvious which one is justified, the one that didn't tithe at all, let alone a tenth?

i did not realise we had jumped to discussions on justification. Justification is by faith, not by reading Bible, or going to church, or giving to the poor, or water baptism, or tithes. By your logic, should we stop all that i just mentioned?

Giving is free will-Giving is not told every week one must tithe into the Church they are attending, "A tither would say-I tithe 10% every week because the Church demands I give 10% to build it's kingdom on earth. "I give my pastor riches-to support his dreams, "not my dreams" to build his kingdom, not my kingdom of mega homes, fancy cars, aeroplanes, Motor bikes, and monies that burns with the wind..
The differences between tithing and giving is this: from my heart I give-but from a Churches prospective, it isn't from my heart I give, I give on demand-its the Churches custom to say-I must give my tithe of just 10% to God every week, while the rest is mine!

This should cut as the definition of balderdash, i have no idea of what you are ranting about here.

{Luke 11:42} "Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.
Tithing 10% to God once a week, is like sending somebody away without food in the bellies, and saying to them be blessed and warm for the winter, without giving them the things that is needed-giving more or less then 10% to God is giving the things that is needed everyday, Giving is not focused on just money, tithing is, Free will-Giving is from the heart-if you see your brother in need, "give.
I am not complete until I give something to somebody-I say in my heart-bless is he who comes in the name of the Lord, the kingdom of God had come near to you.
And Abraham gave the tenth from the spoils of war-stolen goods, if we tithe from stolen goods once and for all, like Abraham's story-then we can say in our hearts I have given everything to the kings in the Church-so the kings couldn't say they had made me rich, through tithes.

You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone. Do you practice justice and the love of God?

Martinez19:
SMH

Careful it doesn't spin off while shaking it dear, Jesus loves you. Imagine that.

HardMirror:
bla bla bla. I guess i can call you a wannabe christian too.

Do you know the definition of a real christian? You should steal know na, or has satan devoured that also? Do not attempt suicide, Jesus is coming soon.