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This is akin to saying "bail is free". Why deceive yourself?

Isahalbash:
I don't know if they are herdsmen or not, but they re definitely fulanis. If boko haram can speak fulani which in most of their videos I have seen so far; only spk Kanuri and Hausa, then Boko haram are now fulanis not kanuris( if am to go with you assertion).



I know these people more than you can tink cos I'm also from that society, there's nowhere I would see fulanis that I won't be able to differentiate them from non fulanis. Those people in that video, are Bororo fulanis sir.

i didn't make any assertion. i simply stated that nothing proves that they are herdsmen. That i speak English or Igbo or Yoruba or Fulani doesn't dictate my trade.

Isahalbash:
Are they Fulanis or not?



Just answer that simple question shikenan.

While they may be the killers and while they may speak Fulani or be Fulani. It doesn't translate that they are herdsmen. Boko Haram too speak Fulani, I suppose. We have herdsmen in the community I'm in and they don't wield guns,never wielded guns in years. We've had this rumour since growing up though that they have knives. And I think that's what the government is saying. Killers masquerading as herdsmen or choristers or priests are not herdsmen or choristers or priests. They are killers and criminals, that's the point.

Jabioro:
Very invalid post,let her go to Russia or any cold Europe countries to preach that nonsense.

This is more invalid, there are people who wear skirts there. Even some where bum shorts and all sorts of revealing attire. This weak excuse only comes up now. There was a time about 50yrs ago and beyond when it was rare for women to wear trousers. I guess there was no cold then?

i don't understand, what exactly is expected from the VP?

MuttleyLaff:
Fair dos but I then asked you:
1/ Please what were animals dying of and/or from?
2/ Animals were dying of what please?

What are your reasons, why would animals die or be dying before the Fall of Man

This your plants strawman angle is neither here nor there.
"...plants were dying..." is not dying, in the same sense, as that of, human beings or animals dying now.

Why are you throwing in plants into all this anyway
when you know, accept and agree that God decreed plants to be food, dont you?

Blood was used to cleanse almost everything, because if no blood is shed, no sins can be forgiven.
Have plants blood?

Give your "...or is there still some twist to this" innuendoes a rest, will ya

⁶Wolves will live with lambs. Leopards will lie down with goats.
Calves, young lions, and year-old lambs will be together, and little children will lead them.
⁷Cows and bears will eat together. Their young will lie down together. Lions will eat straw like oxen.
⁸Infants will play near cobras' holes. Toddlers will put their hands into vipers' nests.
⁹They will not hurt or destroy anyone anywhere on my holy mountain.
The world will be filled with the knowledge of the LORD like water covering the sea.
- Isaiah 11:6-9

If you're reserved because Isaiah 65:25, as you've said, is one verse, what of Isaiah 11:6-9 then?
Is Isaiah 11:6-9 too a "one verse prophecy"?


He will wipe every tear from their eyes.
There will be no more death
or mourning, or crying, or pain,
for the old order of things has passed away
- Revelation 21:4

If you're on the verge of harbouring doubts, then Rev 21:4 above & Romans 8:20 below, should remove them & boost your temptation to hope on


²⁹God said,
"I have given you every plant with seeds on the face of the earth
and every tree that has fruit with seeds. This will be your food.
³⁰I have given all green plants as food to every land animal,
every bird in the sky, and every animal that crawls on the earth - every living, breathing animal." And so it was.
- Genesis 1:29–30

I learned by reading verses in the bible, like Genesis 1:29–30 above,
that carnivores, meaning flesh/meat eater, were, before and once herbivores, meaning eat plant material

Things were put in place, set on standby, waiting, ready to be used if necessary,
ready to be ACTIVATED, to come alive and start doing things
This means, these things, were on their marks, set, and ready to be used at the appropriate time,
like, in a case of, if or when, the proverbial stuff hits the fan
Sin, is the proverbial stuff that hit the fan, it is the trigger, it set things off, it activated things

You wouldnt need fried chicken in the golden age revisited,
because you'll just have to do with manna, food of angels, or something else akin to it.

²⁰For creation was condemned to lose its purpose, not of its own will,
but because God willed it to be so. Yet there was the hope
²¹that creation itself would one day be set free from its slavery to decay
and would share the glorious freedom of the children of God.
- Romans 8:20-21

Adam, anyway, had an appointment with death and so was destined to die
With the knowledge of the existence of TKGE, it was a matter of time, and the time was when the FTKGE is eaten

About whether cockroaches, flies, chickens and worms were not dying until Adam "malfunctioned", my response is affirmative
because the Romans 8:21 entropy only managed to get a foothold and reign supreme after Adam "malfunctioned"

After the "malfunctioned", mosquitoes now have a thirst for Adam's blood
and God help, if Adam's immune system isnt strong enough, as he potentially can die of life-threatening illness gotten from a single mosquito bite
The mosquito bite is just a tip of an iceberg, and not the full scope of the issue

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Ma'am, the above picture is useful and informative

The idea of death before sin, is putting the cart before the horse

Now I am going to repeat the two questions Image123 ducked and declined responding to
The third question is a bonus and an afterthought
1/ Please what were animals dying of and/or from?
2/ Animals were dying of what please?
3/ What are your reasons, why would animals die or be dying before the Fall of Man?

Bros, they were dying from death. Abi which kain query be this one. It's like asking me to prove from the Bible that Adam peed. It's fallacy to assert that it didn't happen because it was not written.
Animals would die because they were not made to live forever in the first instance. They were not created as eternal beings and God didn't breathe the breath of life into their nostrils like He did man. Even man was going to eventually "die" by default, except he ate the tree of life. Remember?
What you call strawman is actually a better answer i should have put forward from the start. The issue was whether Adam and Eve knew what death was/meant. To which i replied that they were seeing it happen to animals. Since you don't like that, then i came more simple to plants. Adam and Eve experienced the death(ceasation of life) of vegetables a couple of times. Abi the plants didn't die? Human beings dying and plant dying is death. They are both living things according to my teacher (1Peter 1:24).
Don't bring blood shedding into this. i don't know what to do with fish blood and cockroach blood. So why bring blood shedding. Are you a violent person, I'm talking about food, you are talking about blood shedding.
On Isaiah 11:6-9, you must forgive me. i don't have reference to remember it's two, lol. Brother, even if it is 7, my point is that it is future/prophetic. i believe you know me small na, i can't wave off a tittle of the Bible on a "it's just written once" base. My point was we can't use this one, or sorry two or seven future prophecy to determine past. There's a lot of things in Kingdom prophecy that we just have to see it come to really understand and enjoy it. Some fulfilled prophecies teach us to tread carefully in exacting interpretation. For instance the same Isaiah in 35:9 says no Lion in the kingdom. To a typical muslin and these other lazy newbies, that's a contradiction. But to us, it's all a picture of a peaceful paradise. Bros, I'm really hoping for that fried chicken in paradise.
i appreciate your comments and concerns on Genesis 1:29–30 but i remain of the OPINION that subduing and dominion covers eating of chicken and fried meat. i don't know, i may be wrong but certainly not going to hell. Glory to God.
In the golden age(Christ's reign on earth), my joy must be FULL. i will eat fried meat oh.

On mosquito bites though, I've heard of someone getting fatter from them. Funny isn't it? But on a serious note, it can be a symbiotic relationship if we deal well. If you discovered drug for malaria prevention, it will help. i didn't duck your questions oh. Again, i say animals were dying. They were dying from death, food chain things. It's a characteristic of living things, they die when the time comes. The only thing that could have kept Adam from dying(as we know it) was the tree of life, reason why he was driven out of Eden.

Anas09:
Lolzzzzz. Okay.

Aaaaaawell, that's the sort of seriousness and back and forth i try to avoid over nothing.

airsaylongcon:
Definitely a keyboard problem

Change of keyboard didn't help.

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budaatum:
Read this after my response. Thanks.

You're welcome.

MuttleyLaff:
You're wrongly granting yourself unmerited victim status here

when Yahweh told Adam and Eve that
if they eat off the tree of knowledge they would know of death.
How can they know what he said about the threat of death
if they didn't know what death was yet
because they have not eaten off the tree yet to know
- © hopefulLandlord

Duh, animals were dying, weren't they?
- © Image123

Errrrrrmmmmmmm, let's wind the clock back a bit
Read again, above, your inane response to hopefulLandlord's

Abeggy park whomever or whatever is an atheist, for one side
Instead of taking pot shots at the player, focus your attention on the game and pieces on the board.

Now why didnt you correct him?
Why didnt you point out that, one doesnt first, have to eat off the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil before one knows what death is?

SMH.
Feel free bask in ignorance, as I am willing to let an incredibly uninformed remark like this, go unchallenged.

The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock:
and dust shall be the serpent's meat.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
- Isaiah 65:25

Will the food chain's predator and the prey state of affairs, ever stop then?
Will the food chain's predator and the prey state of affairs, ever come to an end?
When the predator and the prey innate capacity is disrupted, what is going to happen to the food chain?

How exposed are you to the meaning of the word "Activation" considered together with predator and the prey in mind?
I know, you know where I am heading to with the activation question.

The difference between God and a good chess player, that at least, thinks five moves, ahead
is that, instead of five moves, God analyses right from the first move straight through on to the end of the checkmating last move
That is part of how God with good algorithmic solutions, knows the end from the beginning.

So you're right, its not a matter of diversion or improvisation but it's a matter of standbys
Things had been put in place, were set on standby, waiting, ready for certain things in them to come alive and start doing things
This means, were on their marks, set, and ready to be used at the appropriate time, like, in a case of, if or when, the proverbial stuff hits the fan

So Abel has a precedent.
It is blindingly obvious, who from, Abel learned all Abel knows
God didnt need to command Abel to kill animals
because someone that witnessed it firsthand, told Abel about when, where, why and how the first animal got killed

Errrrrrrmmmmmmm, thank you for your grace and mercy.
Now, I corrected the atheist by reminding him that animals were dying, so Adam and Eve had an idea what death was. At least you would surely agree that plants were dying or is there still some twist to this?
i don't know how easy you find it to use a one verse prophecy still very future to ESTABLISH something that happened already. It beats the imagination, and I'm tempted to hope on it.
Will the food chain's predator and the prey state of affairs, ever stop then?
Of course, pretty much everything will stop when the world comes to an end. But if you are asking if I will eat fried chicken at the millennial reign of Christ, surely I will. We'll do activation when we want to play, we'll do normal at dinner. okay?
While i may sound joking/trivial, I'm actually saying the truth. It's trivial because it's not major or critical in matters of salvation, destination or eternity. Not too excited about time wasting, long winding chatter over nothing with "the player". But if you really think cockroaches, flies, chickens and worms were not dying until Adam malfunctioned, sorry I don't see it that way. i think they were dying and Adam himself would have died except he ate of the tree of life.

budaatum:
I'm sorry, but I too have an interest in the question you were asked as there is nothing to indicate that Adam and Eve ate animals, and way much more to the contrary.

Your above though points down another trail. If it is "a most ridiculous thing to suggest that Adam's fall led to carnivores and omnivores", isn't it even more ridiculous to claim eating the FTKGE introduced death into the world, or sin? (I know this is not a claim you are making, so ignore it while you deal with your more substantial claim, if you may.)

Nothing for you to be sorry about, it's a forum. The very fact that man was given dominion and right to subdue is clear indication man could do as he pleased with them as regards feeding. The context of the passage was feeding and the next verse is clear on that.
If one understands the death spoken of as regards FTKGE, it makes good sense.

MuttleyLaff:
Please what were animals dying of and/or from?
Animals were dying of what please?



And God said,
Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth,
and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed;
to you it shall be for meat (i.e. it shall be food for you)
- Genesis 1:29

Errrrrmmmmm, is your "Errrrrmmmmm, of being eaten as food" before or after Genesis 1:29 was relegated?
Why and when the animals become dying from being eaten as food?

Instead of you to correct hopefulLandlord's gaffe, you're allowing him to take you down a rabbit trail with him
One doesnt first have to eat off the TofKofG&E before knowing what death is
Knowledge of something comes in different styles, shades, shapes and forms

Oh my God, not again. I'm just not expecting this from you; The part where you ask babyish questions, and the part where you assume some atheist is taking me anywhere. If he dreams that, he should wake up from his nightmare. Errrrrrmmmmmmm, man was given dominion over all animals, and whatever he called them was their name. It's a most ridiculous thing to suggest that Adam's fall led to carnivores and omnivores. The food chain has been long set from the foundation of the world. It's innate, all the body parts show it. It was not a diversion or improvisation.
When did God command Abel to kill animals?

MuttleyLaff:
Please what were animals dying of and/or from? Animals were dying of what please?

Errrrrmmmmm, of being eaten as food?

hopefulLandlord:
as a side note, when Yahweh told Adam and Eve that if they eat off the tree of knowledge they would know of death. How can they know what he said about the threat of death if they didn't know what death was yet because they have not eaten off the tree yet to know?

Duh, animals were dying, weren't they?

Thenewtruth:
Your point would have been valid if He wasn't angry with them at the same time.

I'm guessing that you failed to read the part where I said "God who knows all things, knows the levels of each one's cup of iniquity, knows what punishment works best for all and which is counterproductive. Three kids might do the same wrong, and get different deserving punishment keeping in mind your purpose of correction."

There's nothing burning about the question as it is of minimal or no consequence in anything. It simply reminds us of the complexity of the human, of God, and of the mind. Life is not all mathematics or fixed as a constant. The same actions that make you smile today may just get a perfunctory nod in some hours time. Same thing that made you annoyed because A did it, may just produce a sigh some other time or other person. God who knows all things, knows the levels of each one's cup of iniquity, knows what punishment works best for all and which is counterproductive. Three kids might do the same wrong, and get different deserving punishment keeping in mind your purpose of correction.

BushWickBill:
Thanks for the heads up
I normally try to pay attention to matters like these to avoid being subliminally hoodwinked.
But I will take your advice. I intend listening to the whole clip to try to gain some perspective on his point of view as per the subject but I will be on the edge towards the end as you pointed out

Meanwhile what about your former co-debaters Gombs joagbaje Image123 et al? Any news from MarkMiwerds?
I used to follow your debates on tithing and some of the insight I gained on the topic were from you and Mark
Those debates died down for a while till this sort of awakening on the issue brought it to the fore

What?

What is FAILURE TO REPORT AN ACCIDENT?

Gombs:
keep trying to derail. When this thread was created, you weren't on nairaland with this moniker, see why continuing discussion of this with you is useless?

Point is, Deji Yesufu, aka Drummaboy, Drummaboy2, WinsomeX, and VB campaign and the rest of the team are blueprints of failure...crass failure. You too.

ouch. Take it easy bro, that was below the below of the belit. It's definitely belit.
i wonder why the bulk of these fellows keep changing monikers like the devourer is devouring that too.

Tosinex:
you need to let your soul develop into righteousness consciously. It is not until when they tell you something is wrong before you should know it is wrong. A word they said it's enough for the wise. Even if a man starts licking his food plate with his tongue they call him an Animal, a dog that's to tell you it is wrong, talkless of licking another man's genitals with your tongue, it's demonic, it's perversion and its unnatural.

Please explain how it is demonic, demons do it or what? What qualifies a thing as natural, and does being natural justify? It's natural for some people to lie, steal or want to be effeminate, does that justify it? i understand and respect your private opinion but let's not spiritualize it and make it look like a commandment of God. The scripture seems 'silent' on these.

Irenenwaka:
Hello Nairalanders, do you think its proper for a christain and God fearing couple to involve cunnilingus and MouthAction (these are MouthAction) as one of thier sexual acts. If it is proper please give your reasons, if its not please defend yourself as well. Thanks.

Is it proper to eat with your left hand, or your right hand or even your hands at all? Can you eat with two hands, or use a kitchen knife to eat grains? Ma'am, your body, your food, does are not the things that defile a man or justify a man. Of course, don't use your liberty to harass or fall others.

YoungDaNaval:
If man and woman are traditionally married but haven't done white wedding, is their lovemaking also fornication?

Why are they having a white wedding? If you have anything to do, do it well.

Go and give your tithe and stop racking your brains unnecessarily.

Nobody can receive the mark of the beast until the Great Tribulation.

GoodMuyis:
Its not the business others to hear. The prayer is talking to God in his spirit, and party involves in the prayer activities is God, Jesus, Holy Ghost and the prayer man.

Understanding to others is meaningless even if they hear. So never try to distract a man praying in tongue, he might be praying for someone unknown to him faraway in another country.

The Holy Ghost is at work

But there's the gift of interpretation of tongues na, why would there be such gift if understanding is meaningless? Folks are used to it or interested in show off than to obey the Word of God in 1Corinthians 14

Nwaikuku2:
Don't use the word "others" rather use "I". The reason is because you're carnal, maybe you don't have the gift of holy spirit. My dear pray for the gift of interpretation of tongues. Others do understand!

Others don't understand sir. On what basis did you make this assertion?

chibenn:
According to this verse,
In Acts 2:7-8
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
When the deciples of Jesus gathered together in Jerusalem, and the holy spirit of God decended upon them and they speak in new tongues, and they hear them self's as they speak in their different language.

Questions:
So why is it that people, speak in tongues in the church when others have no understanding / hearing of what they are saying or doing , is it really necessary?

Don't mind them jare, I'll tell Daddy for them.

ProjectNaija:
It's really wrong and dishonest to claim that deeper life donated a car park and bridge to the public as the car park is not open to the public but strictly for their private use in their new church head quarters building. The truth is that the church did not even have any plans to build this car park till it was imposed on them by governor Fashola as a precondition for allowing them to open and operate from the premises. The truth is that building approval should never have been given to a church of that size (40,000) capacity in a residential area because of traffic considerations but somehow they got it. Along the line when residents of the area(i am one) saw how big the structure was and the implications for traffic, some of us petitioned the then governor of Lagos state(Fashola) and Fashola came personally to inspect the site. It was then he gave them the condition of providing adequate parking and an alternative route(bridge) as a precondition for allowing them to open the church. The church had no concerns about the traffic problems their being there would cause neither did they care and if not for Fashola they would have gone ahead to open the church years ago not giving a damn about the horrendous traffic a church of the size will cause in a residential area. For them to spin it round and give an impression that they are donating something to the public is damn right nauseating. They built because it was imposed on them and for their own selfish reasons.

This is untrue as I am privy to one of the videos they gave from inception of the project. The traffic plan was in play from start. The government delayed approval because they were sceptical, not because there was no plan. To be fair, of all the big churches around, deeper life traffic is better organised than others.

hopefulLandlord:
Absolutely!

Any terrorist can make claims to what FSM told them in their hearts. This alone should not cut it for you. You can be more sensible and reasonable than this. I thought you used to have a desire for a working brain?

frank317:
Psychic alert!!

He confirmed it, duh.

hopefulLandlord:
Yahweh was created by FSM's creations

I'm guessing this is also written in your heart?