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Soneh:
When will fashola build his own power plant . how many house 1.2mw want supply light give self

It is for water supply. This particular ones gives water supply to the area.

dankol:
CHAPTER SIXTEEN
CONTINUM IV
THE MULTIVARIATE BODY OF CHRIST II
What defines a Christian denomination is not what CAN or PFN says, neither is it what the World Council of Churches says. But rather what is common amongst all and what makes that group of persons unique. Infact, they could believe in the same tenents of faith, but by virtue of the fact that, one is PAULINUS and the other LONG-JOHN with different autonomous leaders makes each a denomination. May I remind you the meaning of denomination- a recognized autonomous branch of the Christian Church. (Synonyms- Religious group, sect, cult, movement, body, branch, order, church).

This fellow that uses style to ask questions that he does not want answered. A denomination is a religious grouping within a faith that has its own system of organization. Its own system of organisation. Not what you are implying that Winners Ota is a denomination and Winners Akoka is another denomination. They have their different pastors but are both the same denomination. Now, what makes one CHRISTIAN is simply being a follower of Christ, being like Christ. When your life or church is scriptural, you are christian. That is common sense criteria. When your life or church/group is not scriptural, you only deceive yourself and the gullible by saying you are christian. Jesus knows His sheep and His sheep know Him. And He said that by their fruits we will know false ones. In your school that you are admitted to, if you did not meet their criteria, you will not be admitted, and if you stop meeting their criteria, you will be rusticated.Life is as simple as that.

The BODY OF CHRIST today, is not just disjointed but multivariate meaning it involves more than one independent variable. All things being equal, the initial body of Christ being referred to by Paul was only dependent on JESUS (the only independent variable). Today, Men of God, Superintendents, General Overseers, Apostles and what have you have risen to such standard. How do I mean? They set the standard for their church members on what to wear, how to wear it, who to marry, how to marry, criteria to choose a spouse that is not mentioned in the bible, how to raise kids, who to interact with and every facet of human life. That is why an average Christian cannot do anything without informing his pastor, because Jesus is not in charge, they are in charge on behalf of Jesus (Business partners). Jesus is like the Queen of England, they are the Prime minister(s).

1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

There is room for some insignificant differences. Insignificant in the real scheme of things. Like every organisation has their own policies and mode of operations. This is however different from abuse or misuse of power.

Now, let me go straight to the most critical of my point about the body of Christ. Let me shock a few of you dear readers who are not privy to know that THERE ARE THREE POPES OF DIFFERENT CHURCHES IN THE WORLD apart from the numerous General Overseers and Superintendents who hold sway over their respective members. They include:
• The Pope of the Roman Catholic Church: This is one everyone knows and most recognized. (After the order of St.Peter)

• The Pope of the Palmarian Catholic Church (in Spain): The church regards on the grounds of claimed apparitions, that the Pope of Rome is excommunicated and that the position of the Holy See has, since 1978, been transferred to their See of El Palmar de Troya. Pope Hernández resigned in 2016 to marry and was succeeded by Joseph Odermatt (Pope Peter III) in 2016.

• The Pope of Alexandria and Patriarch of All Africa (Non-Chalcedonian / Coptic Orthodox): The Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria is the leader of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, a faith with ancient Christian roots in Egypt. This current holder of this position is Theodoros II or Tawadros II, who was selected as the 118th pope on November 4, 2012. Following the traditions of the church, the pope is chairman and head of the Holy Synod of the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria as a first among equals. This organization is the highest authority in the Church of Alexandria, which has between 12 and 18 million members worldwide, 10 to 14 million of whom are in Egypt. The leader of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria is known as Pope of Alexandria and Patriarch of all Africa on the Holy See of St. Mark the Apostle. The Successor of St. Mark the Evangelist, Holy Apostle and Martyr, on the Holy Apostolic Throne of the Great City of Alexandria.

Nothing wrong with having different leaders, the early church also appointed leaders. The important thing is for them to remember that the Head is Christ Jesus, and to lead their sheep to this Good and Great Shepherd and Bishop of our souls.

Others (I named them pope basically as a function of huge number of followership).
• Pope of the Redeemed Christian Church of God: We know him too well. Please, calling him Pope means no insult but with the level of his influence and extra biblical teachings, I found it honorary to give him that title.

• The Pope(s) of the Anglican Churches worldwide: check out their Lamberth conference, you will agree with me why I call them popes. Each country’s pope may not have influence in other, for instance, Arch Bishop Desmond Tutu is a well respected Anglican Bishop yet supports LGBT community but his Nigerian counterpart is all the way out against it. THE BODY OF CHRIST INDEED!

Let me look for trouble here, Arch Bishop Desmond Tutu as quoted by Wikipedia :
“You have to understand is that the Bible is really a library of books and it has different categories of material," he said. There are certain parts which you have to say no to. The Bible accepted slavery. St Paul said women should not speak in church at all and there are people who have used that to say women should not be ordained. There are many things that you shouldn't accept.”

Do all of the body Christ agree with that position?
• There are several other leaders of different denominations, the Mormons, Methodists, The African Church, The Presbyterian church, Assemblies of God, the Baptist, Lutheran, Reformed Church, Orthodox, Evangelical, Episcopal, Latter Days, Church of Christ, United Church,- these are just a few generic names, some are even combined.

Like i said, there is nothing wrong having leadership in church. Jesus even referred to leaders of churches as angels in His letter. That is a different matter from personal doctrine and opinion. When personal doctrine contradicts scripture, such a person simply is not following Scripture or scriptural. And if Christ is the Word indeed, then a person not scriptural or contradicting Scripture cannot be said to be following Christ. Two cannot work together except they are agreed. And when i mean agreement, agreement is in the CORE, not that they are all doing choreography or wearing same uniform like primary school kids.

No matter how close kinned they all may seem to be, the differences is what makes each of them stand out with their respective dogmas.- the differences, while the doctrine brings them together – the commonality such as the belief in Jesus and other basic biblical supported doctrines.

The Body of Christ is a great mystery, so it is not a big deal that you do not understand it. Its understanding is not a requirement for Heaven.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Let me bring this home, Pardon me, please members of these churches should not take it as an affront, I just want to state facts: Living Faith Church (Business Entreprises) effectively managed by Bishop Oyedepo believes and practice WASHING OF FEET (e dey bible ooo) AND GIVING HOLY COMMUNION TO KIDS- (I stand to be corrected if they perhaps have changed these dogmas). While RCCG conglomerate of Businesses presided over by Pope Adeboye, do not do any of the above. But I put it to you, if I am a RCCG pastor today and I instruct my members to give their children holy communion, not only will they revolt, I would be reported and sanctioned. There is something they call “REDEEMED STANDARD”, if you fall short of it, you will be under scrutiny and fire.

Like has been shown, there are different administrations but the same Lord. Physical washing of feet or serving communion is a non-issue in the scheme of BELONGING to the Body of Christ. By the grace of God, the two churches you mentioned openly respect one another and invite each other on different platforms. They consider each other as brethren despite their differing opinion. My company salary scale or method of reporting, or hierarchy may be different from the next company, even though we are both banks, or factories or churches. This is due to administrative differences. you can't come from Skye Bank to GTBank and begin to do things the Skye Bank way when there is a laid down procedure in place. That is not order but anarchy. That is why there is induction and training, because every shepherd is answerable for all the sheep in his care. Every parent is answerable for his own children. You can't come and stay in my house and be eating a different food or taking food from outside and bringing it to the dining table. Nobody normal does this, but you think it should be the normal thing to do in church. If you are staying in my house, i am responsible for you, you live according to my standard my rules. You don't come in and decide for me where you will sleep or what time you want my doors locked or open.

I have a plea, if indeed , this body of Christ is united,

Can Pastor Chris Oyakilohme go to Cherubium and Seraphim to preach?

Would Pastor Kumuyi go to Catholic diocese of Sokoto and do mass with Bishop Kukah?

Would Pastor Lazarus Maouka invite Pastor Adeboye, or better still, O.O Obu for a special programme in his church?

Would Pastor Oyedepo and Fiery preacher Olukoya go to ECWA church in Bauchi to do revival?

You seem to lack much information and experience. Some of these pastors from different denominations are usually invited to other churches, and they do honour it. Olumba is clearly not christian BTW. Also, if some denomination is openly or clearly different in way and perspective of doing things, it makes no sense to ask them to come to your church as it were. That is different from whether they are true christians or not. you cannot say because the body is one, then the heart should do the function of the legs. Or even that the two legs must move at the same hopping direction. Unity is not necessarily uniformity. Everyone has their different levels of knowledge and understanding of God. Joining all students in a school into the same class may be useful for assembly or announcement, but may be negative when it comes to Mathematics. Does that mean they are not all from that school? They may even pay the same school fees, have the same Proprietor, close at the same time etc. It does not disturb the beauty of their unity in diversity.

Please do not tell me that’s why they have CAN or PFN. In the first place, should PFN exist? Or if you mean to make reference to their Ecumenical meeting at Ecumencal centre in Abuja- that’s political. While Bling Bling pastor was in charge, the Catholic block were never supportive. So tell me, Where is that body of Christ, Jesus would come to take? Is it the one after the order of Mark, or the one after the order of Peter, or the thousands of breakaway factions. You will never find a sticker that says “I AM A CHRISTIAN” without denominational undertone. For instance, “I AM A WINNER”; “I AM REDEEMED”; “MY YEAR OF UNPRECEDENTED BREAKTHOUGH” amongst others. Well it is good to console yourself with one fact, ALL FACTIONS, DENOMINATIONS HAVE ONE OR TWO FAITH IN JESUS, that binding enough, but not enough to compare with a human body as Paul did BECAUSE THE HUMAN BODY WORK TOGETHER, ACT AS ONE, SUPPORT EACH OTHER,HELP EACH OTHER. Does the body of Christ do any of the above? Your truth may not be my truth .

Don't get it twisted. The body has different members and different functions. The kidney is not the same as the toes, yet they are united. The mystery of the Body of Christ is simply beyond you. Find your level and play with something your level. Get saved, that is basic enough.

At the end of the day, every pastorpreneur is running his business as he or she wants (kudos to Arch Bishop Margaret Idahosa, she managing her family business well) as an independent partner of christ. Hence, Christ is not in the loop sef, He is just a figure head just to keep people in the system. Because, the Pope of Rome do not recognize any other Pope, each make their own decisions. Jesus don suffer! What a Body! A Multivariate one!

Let Jesus worry about that. He is coming.

If i were Fashola, i would not only collect the gift. i would ask them HOW MUCH, so that if possible, i can replicate it many times over if it is viable. As at 2011, Japan had 1,198 small hydropower plants with a total capacity of 3,225 MW. Instead of rejoicing and taking pictures over 1, let us have a thousand across Nigeria, that is what Japan is indirectly asking for. This will help power and create a lot of jobs.

MrMontella:
none of the gods around is not=no god..
Nd the bible thinks for you..
When u do bad..u blame it on the devil.(direct and indirect)

Is that even a rational statement? How can a book think, and then for someone? This life of unbelief must be very hard on you. i don't blame the devil for my actions anyway, only criminals do. Ever heard of restitution, christians do it all the time. Stop living in a bubble thinking you are the only one who takes responsibility.

by limited i mean once...no afterlife


the afterlife is it not your life continued?
Or is it another persons' own u live in the afterlife?

There is obvious difference between life and afterlife. Even the spellings and pronunciations already tell you they are DIFFERENT, enough said. You said that the bible teaches that ur life is endless. i showed you otherwise, you are busy striking it. Don't beat yourself to coma please, life goes on.

where did i err in english language there?
I do not hate God..
And i do not hate the christian god..
I only speak the truth like any true human would..
U(in general) tell me about him and what u say does not rhyme up..i point it out to you and it becomes hate.. Ok

i thought you said that you are an agnostic, it is your job to hate God. i said that Love and Charity are christian virtues, they are our core values. i never said that they were exclusive to christians. i said you don't have to be an atheist to love, as that was what you were giving as being a benefit of atheism. You poorly grasped that and went on to talk about exclusivity, a subject that was never there in the first place.

oh so now u believe those deeds were not christian..
But u refuse to believe the murders and killings perpetrated by some atheists are not atheistic?
Who is deceiving who?

That is what they are generally known for. It is the characteristic of atheists. They are known for mass murder, disregard for human life, arguing up and down or killing people in their millions when empowered. Like you now, you are arguing up and down. If we ask you further now, we will see that you truly have no regard for human life. Like some other atheists on this forum have told us that there is no difference between ant life and human life. It is opportunity that most of you lack, if empowered, you(generally) will commit genocide.

lol...like i said...everyone has choices...everybody's inspirations comes from different thingss...
Einstein was a smoker...it did not stop him from changing the world


im glad u agree that goodness does not breed from a particular sect...
It is human.

Actually i should be the glad one here. Your initial position was that becoming atheist makes one do good things or make the world better. i've rightly been telling you that you don't need to be an atheist to do good. There is no tangible benefit in being atheist.

proven wetin?
Oh the six year old boy that went to heaven and came back and later(10-16 years later)
he admitted he was a fraud...

you said it, try to follow the conversation. You said "no one has proof" then go ahead to say "infact it has been proven". You need to get it together mr man.

because u can undisputably prove them

You cannot undisputably prove when you die and cease to exist. You can only wish it.

oh..so now u agree im having a wishful thinking..but u wish for an imaginary loving friend to grant you heaven...
Well i guess we are on the same page then

God is not imaginary, He created you and the universe. He's coming back again too.

MrMontella:
i have always been..u have not been direct with your answers..
I repeat...why is your religion or god the true god?
(indisputable evidences)

like i said...if u apply ur status to adherents of other religions...it becomes the same thing..

It is not direct but diversionary and a lack of ideas for an atheist to run to gods for help. i have said it several times but you keep asking in different forms why i am a christian or why God is the living God. Again, it is evident. He proves to be who He says He is. He is Almighty and that is incontestible. No god surpasses Him in power, wisdom, coverage, worship, precision and relevance. You cannot take ANY other god to the bank. Jehovah God is the ONLY God that calls the multitudes in their hundreds and they troop in. The difference is as clear as noonday. No adherent of any god wherever can come to a crowd of 20,000 and repeated get hundreds of new and genuine followers freely without any coercion. This same Jesus does it repeatedly forever. We are not talking about local gods here mr man. It is indisputable enough, you cannot compare dozing with death. Be guided.

not at all..
The earth...we have proof of the earth...solid evidence...indisputable..the general accepted earth is spherical..
A person may believe it to be flat because of a holy book...bt it doesnt count..
The evidence for earth is plain..testable..you cannot relate earth for an afterlife(heaven or hell)
that ideology is totally wrong!

It is not my ideology, it is an ANALOGY. An analogy is a comparison between two things that are similar in some way, not necessarily EVERY way. Different beliefs and understanding of a place or topic does not mean that it does not exist, or that there are different ones. That is why i used an ANALOGY that you can readily relate to to drive home the point. There is only one planet earth, only one Nigerian economy, despite different misunderstandings and opinions about them.

no no no..u mistake..he did not say he does not know where he is going..
He said he does not know what will be done to u or him...
A person may sin and be forgiven nd another may sin and not be forgiven(like the sin of the holy spirit)
He doesnt know if he will be given five houses or one..or five wives or one
He may be forgiven of his sins or made a top general in paradise bt doesnt know if u will be given same if u live like him
..he may be given a low or a high rank..likewise u
he means he cannot dictate for allah..jst like u cant dictate for jesus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannah
the islamic hell is just one of those hells

Yes he did, you are making the mistake again. Ask real muslim scholars. The man was referring to his eternal fate, not to reward or position. There is no such probabilities with God, anyone who confesses and forsakes his sin, believing God will be forgiven and be in paradise. The Scriptures is definite and clear about it. Note that you have been UNABLE to show me where worship of Allah is said to guarantee a safe side.

me proving ke?
Lol..i de serve allah?
I am only showing u that u have no substantial evidence and u are proving me right..
his resurrection? Many others resurrected..

You are proving it because so far, you have being UNABLE to show how others are EXACTLY like mine, like you previously asserted. It means you just said it without any concrete proof or thinking. i guess you read that in some webpage or atheist blog. Here you have thrown in another careless statement again. Mention the many that resurrected and you'll start stammering. Serious people don't talk that way.

only when that bird is visible..
But the bird is a myth..

In other words, anything you cannot see must be a myth?

islam is just one of the religions..

Next time, don't hide behind them. They said you should listen to people like me. Okay?

judas was predestined..
Pharaoh may later have had a chance in the end if his his heart wasnt heardened..
Uzzah also died for reflex actions
theres even a place in the bible which said if a prophet of god says something and it doesnt happen..even if it was of gods influence..the prophet should be killed..
(something like that)
..like MO said..he cannot dictate for allah..
corelate them

i'm clearly talking about DESPITE their good deeds, and adherence to all that their god requires for humans. You are again going to where you do not know. Their god may just change it for them no matter how 'good' they are. It is not so with God, no correlation.
WHOSEVER believeth in Him WILL NOT PERISH but have everlasting life.

lol..it is...believe me..tho i have no proof..it is highly relevant

Don't waste your God given faith.

so u believe the other hell's are fake?
Nd urs is real?

You were the one that said "possibly".

initially i said abijah..i made just one mistake and said ahab..na im make u wan cut my nect commot?
I choose to believe reality(since u love reality)the message wasnt as it seems..

You were wrong with the name and the conclusions, no cuts anywhere. Again, you are confused on what to believe or not believe. Do you have a problem with the message or the numbers?

okay i grab..
But like i said..general acceptance with faith...doesnt make it truth..

i do not recall saying that either.

no..thats what i said..#when everybody is talking..nobody is talking..
Because everybody is talking in all honesty as u said..so i said that..not them

Of course you said that, what did they say, that is the question.

MrMontella:
simple questions require simple answers..
Are u in support of Gods' ripping of babies from pregnant mothers?
And killing children for the sins of their parents?
And did those children deserve to die ?
And that satan was proven wrong by God when he killed those children?

Here's the answer again in case you missed it earlier. i see you have no problem with believing the numbers here. You think that they support your bias so you believe them wholeheartedly. Dude, God is not on trial, save your breath. Now if you will understand this, it is better not to be born at all or to die like one of those babies, than to live a miserable sinner's life and go to an eternity without God. In plain words, those children are in a better position and place than you are, stop crying more than the bereaved.

MrMontella:
u are still making the same mistake..
In greek mythology...his parents and co are the creators..asin creators of the universe..
He eliminated competition by killing his father and taking charge of the heavens...
Its just like saying GEJ usurps Buhari..and GEJ demands u obey him..GEJ is the president now...GEJ didnt have to win it by election..bt he became the president..
Catch my drift...a god must not have to be a creator to be the real god..and zeus gave guidelines of sacrifices...
I just used zeus as an example(there are many other creator gods)

You are either lying(which is usual with sinners anyway) or plain ignorant. zeus parents do not lay claims to creating anything. A simple google check could have cured you of this malady. zeus is said to be son of cronus. cronus supposedly has father too, he is not the creator neither claims to be like you just claimed. Your initial claim was that zeus is the real god and that he is the father of hercules. You keep shifting the goalpost looking for free tutorship in meaninglessness. If we use your analogy, Jesus is the real God as He eliminated, eradicated, and made useless and archaic other so called gods. zeus gave no guidelines for all humanity to follow, Jesus did.

yes he needs ur worship..bt it is not compulsory he has to do what christ did for him to need ur worship..its his preference
on zeus being in the bible...i know u will say gen 6:4..lol..smh
nt zeus

Ignorance glorified as usual. i'm not even going to bother, stop being assertive on things you know next to nothing about. Show me where zeus needs my worship, waiting.

i think gods who came and died like ur own god are osiris..krishna...tammuz.
many more..gods plenty ni





u still dont get it...
I said im giving a case file..
Do u go to hell for not serving allah ?
Hells plenty na..mithras' hell..
The hindu hell..etc
m i making them up?
Hian

Evidently, you are the one who did not get it. You are the one who mis-said that i believe an atheist created zeus. A significant percentage of the gods do not lay claims to putting humanity in hell for not worshipping them or following them. Like i have shown you, the muslims don't know where anyone is going, including themselves.

lol..jesus didnt exist as u view him to be...
You're the person not saying a scholarly thing...
His existence as portrayed in the bible is a fake...
Thats if he wasnt created by pagan beliefs sef

Get enlightened. i don't have time to teach a,b,c.

MrMontella:
by real god..i mean the one to truly exist and the mythology behind it is authentic..
Zeus claimed to be the real god of the sky and the heavens so what u saying?
U say greek mythology never claimed creationism?
Abeg look it up on the net..
Zeus hades and posiedon are sons of an evil father god kronos..
Wetin this baba they talk sef?
Zeus achieved top status by killing his father(if im not mistaken)
??

No no no, when JMAN05 mentioned the true God, he already mentioned that he believed hercules was a god. Even the Bible mentioned zeus as a god. Nobody contested that they are gods existing/existed. Zeus never claimed to be God Almighty or Creator of the Universe. Zeus and his brother were said to have shared air, water, sky etc and zeus got air and sky. He does not lay claims to creating it or creating man. Instead there is a talk about him destroying man and asking some other gods to help him turn stone to man. Neither Hercules or Zeus said anything about them being the real God or about Heaven and hell and the need to believe them etc.

a god does not have to save u for him to be the true god..
Thats a limpy ideology..
that can be said for islam and christianity..i didnt create neither of them

Oh but you said that they are exactly the same. You said he wants humans to worship him too. And atheists usually say that these other gods have also come to save humanity and died on the cross etc.

u believe an atheist created zeus bt disbelieve an atheist could also create jesus?

No, i say "claims about some legend/other gods being the Saviour of the world whom we must all believe or go to hell, is only found in the depraved imagination of the average sinner atheist."

jesus is not even historically proven to be accurate..
His existence(historically) is still hanging on a straw(no offence if it offends u...i do not like to lie)

Don't even go there, it's not a scholarly thing to say, get enlightened.

MrMontella:
long story short..
Do u believe god was right to allow those children die in trying to prove a point to satan?

This is short enough, i see you have no problem with believing the numbers here. You think that they support your bias so you believe them wholeheartedly. Dude, God is not on trial, save your breath. Now if you will understand this, it is better not to be born at all or to die like one of those babies, than to live a miserable sinner's life and go to an eternity without God. In plain words, those children are in a better position and place than you are, stop crying more than the bereaved.

continued cc: MrMontella

by i was joking..i meant when i said stuffs llike u'd feel it in ur heart etc..
Atheism's true benefit is truth.
Which is none of the gods around made this universe
being open minded has a lotta benefits ..u think for urself...
Selfdepedency not some archaic book issh.
U control and take responsibility for ur actions...

Truth, no god made the universe, think for yourself, self dependence, responsibility, hmmmm, those are the benefits? i have truth, no benefits in the no god making the universe, i think for myself or are you the one thinking for me?, i achieve more with the help of others and the Bible ish, i am responsible.

yes and living it up is not a bad thing...

Wow, congratulations on your discovery. Like i said, i have known that life is limited and precious since i was a kid. i did not need to be an atheist to know that.

no no no..the bible teaches that ur life is endless...life is...it has an end..
And that is a very misleading doctrine
Man wants to eat his cake and have it

Jam 4:14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
Job 7:7 O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good.
Job 14:1 Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble.
Psa 89:47 Remember how short my time is: wherefore hast thou made all men in vain?
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.

lies...they are not exclusive to christianity..
A little chemical sef can determine ur love level...

i never said they were exclusive, why do you behave like you have a poor grasp of the English Language all in a bid to hate God?

i wonder how christianity spread if not through conquest..
Be truthful like the christ u try to copy.converting pagans with force...banning other opposing religions forceful conversions
imposing of religion by conquest and colonisation

This is either ignorance or mischief. The Inquisition or Crusade period was never christian(Christlike or commanded by God), neither did it bring the spread of christianity as it was just for a little period in history compared to the unstoppable growth we continue to see for 2016 years non-stop. i'm not hear to talk about spread though. i said "christians were sending missionaries all over the world, building hospitals, universities and orphanages." It is what has been done for centuries by christians, it is not a benefit or afterthought of being an atheist. What atheists are known for is mass murder, disregard for human life, arguing up and down or killing people in their millions when empowered.

i am not a fan of smoking..
I dont see the usefulness of smoking to me..everyone has choices

Good for you, don't destroy the body God gave you. But you do type like someone under some sort of influence or banned substance.

does islam forbide charity works?
The more u try to seclude good deeds to christianity the more u make it seem u are a christian by personal conviction and not indisputable evidence as u believe..
By perfecting the place we are in..i mean focusing on making earth better rather than wishful thinking for an unproven afterlife..

Duh, i mentioned theists. muslims are theists, read again. Being theist is not mutually exclusive to what you are saying about making earth better.

no one has proof of the afterlife..
U believe in it by faith not evidence....
The belief of the afterlife is very misleading..infact it has been proven to be very misleading

Okay, so no one has proof but it has been proven. Continue.

i personally...i dnt need the afterlife^^^
when i die...i wish to die and cease to exist..
Animals are conscious beings but they do not go into an afterlife...
So to me consciousness is not exclusive to humans..it is universal.

Yeah right, myself i also personally don't need my beards to grow or ever to go to the toilet or even reply you. But i do. Stop living in a bubble. There is no genie here to grant your wishes.

MrMontella:
u misunderstand me...
U both believe in an afterlife of either eternal joy or eternal doom
some believe in some other stuffs..
From ur doctrines...those who dont believe in ur creator are to eternity in ur hell...and vice versa..
I am only asking why u chose yours over theirs..and why they should do so..
No hard feelings ni

No, i do not misunderstand you at all. If YOU have a question, be direct enough to ask your question. The frequent atheist practice of divisionism or pitting religions against one another or denominations against one another makes no sense, and had continued to prove a waste of time. That is why i ask not to be disturbed. If i want to talk to a muslim or budhist or hinduist, then i know i am discussing with one. But an atheist hiding behind them to say nothing significant at the end of the day, i'm not interested.
So, essentially why do i choose Christ? Because i found Him to be who He claims to be in my life, Saviour, Lord, King, Healer, Provider, Comforter and God. Nothing beats that for me, and that is why i choose Him.

serzly?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahannam

Okay thanks. Hell is one place though, like Heaven is one place. Just that people havwe different beliefs and understanding about them. For example, some people have differing opinions about the earth, it does not mean there is no earth or that there is a different earth for each opinionist. Now, i asked "Show me where worship of Allah is said to guarantee a safe side?" The worshippers are not sure if they will be allowed into Heaven.

then i can conclude that
which ever anybody feels is right and okay for him..let him or her choose..
Then why judge other peoples choices? By believing that for not accepting ur choice..they are doomed to eternal punishment from ur god?

i do not just feel i am right, i know i am right. Jesus defeats them all till tomorrow. There is power in His name, unparalleled power and truth in His Word, His claims are exclusive, His resurrection is supernatural. Show how others are EXACTLY like mine, it is impossible not just hard like you are already proving.

ok...everybody to his/her own bird..
Ah thats unfair...m not with a bird lol

You have been offered the Bird. He will carry you literally.

i mean he wasnt exclusively talking about christians...IOW they should listen to practitioners of judaism also..

Fine, if they can cope with the demands. Thankfully, you do see that we are to show them the way.

mark said the fig tree didnt wither instantly bt it did the next day..
Im pretty sure..another inconsistency
we all have choices...i believe the fig tree lesson did think of those without access to his existence..
Its partial..i only speak the truth

Still very significant and relevant. Jesus does not do irrelevant things.

bt u believe they dont know where they are going..
Thats the problem ive been talking about

They don't, they say it themselves. At the end, their god may just change it for them.

he climbs down chimneys at xmas to deliver gifts on 8 flying reindeers...
He fits all the toys of children in a never aging sack..
He has servant elfs..
lives in the north pole..
If a child has been misbehaving he wont give the child gifts..nevertheless..he is real so prepare ur child well this xmas so they dont miss his gifts..
Oh lest i forget..he has a pot-belly.

His message is of no relevance as can be seen. He even has a pot belly.

possibly his own hell which he created for those who wont worship him..
If ure saved..then invariably everbody's god saves their followers...ok

You're talking probablity/possibility yet again. i'm talking realities.

ye...abijah
well to u it is normal..
To me it isnt
we both happy..

You were wrong with the name and the conclusions, happy are they that keep the Word of God.

okay..were u born to christian parent?...a simple answer would do....
Also to the other religions..their creator gods have proven themselves..
Its nt only christianity that spreads...islam too..
And that something is accepted by many..does not make it truth

No, i was not born a christian, nobody is anyway. My parents were not christians when i was born, and i was(became) a christian before them BTW. i did not refer to a spread. Greece, Italy, China, Korea are the places where those gods you mentioned are from/worshipped. It does not mean that all the people in greec worship those gods. Their locality did not automatically make them all worshippers of Thor and co. That is what i am saying.

yes thats what their parents(God) also said in their honesty..
So they also believe all they said too

You mean that they said "everybody and nobody is going to hell and heaven."?

MrMontella:
ts a simple statement sir..
since god(christian one) reveals himself to everyone...irrespective of personality..
Why hasnt he done so the muslims there?
Or do u sincerely believe god has revealed himself to them?
Why would they all have this personal revelation and still be muslims?

Because of freewill. BTW, God does not say/promise to personally reveal Himself to anybody, i wonder where you imagined that from. God has sent humans to preach the gospel and whosoever believeth will have life. If their forefathers had listened, they may have not been the way they are now. You who has heard it more than once, what have you done about it? Or why are they your concern, why do you specialise in weeping and gnashing of teeth above the bereaved?

if dangote claims only him can create money and his money is the only real money in the world...t has to be put to scrutiny..

You seem poor at picking analogies. i said "You don't waste time telling Dangote that his riches may be fake." In other words, i am so rich in God that it is a waste of time telling me that God may be fake. Your talks about someone else may be the real dude is dead on arrival. It is like.. never mind.

4 Yet their voice [in quiet evidence] has gone out
through all the earth,
Their words to the end of the world.
In them and in the heavens He has made a tent for the sun, the bolded is evidence that the sentence in which the bolded starts from(inside verse 4) is talking bout the sun sir..

No, obviously the word "Their" is plural, it is not referring to a singular sun. It is referring to all of creation.

lol...even in simplified modern translations..it still talks about the movement of the sun..
AMP=Course
AMPC=course
NASB=course
NIV=course
NRSV=course
RSV=course
clearly it means the orbital movement of the sun

And a course MUST be orbital?

ye it was glorifying gods work in a descriptive manner..
So m still on track

You detailed/specified it by saying what was NEVER said i.e that the sun made orbits around the earth.

i didnt make this claim..
according to god worshippers...their holy books are divinely inspired..

Give me an example of something divinely inspired. You have been claiming it is not divinely inspired, tell me why. Show me an example of something divinely inspired. At least to shout that something is counterfeit, you should know the real na.

are u somehow accepting that he lied?
Btw why would an all knowing god not know that the shape orbit etc of what he created will later matter to us?

No, i clearly said how inspiration works. Inspiration is not necessarily dictation. The knowledge of the shape of the earth is yet to significantly matter to up to 1% of all humanity. Can you drop this nonsense already?

bro..lemme get something straight...if u have the luxury..scroll up and confirm..u initially said everybody knows how the sun works..before i said that...

No, i said everybody uses the term SUNRISE and SUNSET until tomorrow, irrespective of their class or knowledge. It is not a biggie, it has nothing to do with geographical facts, and i think i mentioned something about heart break or loving with all your heart. In the physical and biological sense, the heart is simply pumping blood, not breaking. Nobody is having headaches or thinking about omniscience when idioms are used.

(1)evening and morning came Gen 1:3-5
(2)evening passed and morning came Gen 1:6-7
(3)blessed the seventh day
Gen 2:3
Then the oga
(4) In six days
Exodus 20:11

Still does not certify that they MUST be literal 24hr days. Jesus Himself referred to His whole time on earth as a day. He said He must work while it is day, He was not talking about the physical literal 24hours, it was a period. The day of the Lord, the day of judgement are not a period of literal exact 24hours. These are also biblical expressions. Since the light that was to regulate time wasn't even MADE till the fourth day, you should be careful to assert that the days MUST be literal 24hour days.

am an agnostic so i cannot tell u what i dont know


you are not presenting logical stuffs
if u did of course i would be open to know.
Bt i can give u a lotta reasons against urs
..im not close minded on anything..

You've not presented much logic either. Most of what you have presented have being based on blind faith and probability/suppositions. It is close-minded to limit oneself to listening to only logic. Not every reality is logic, some things transcend logic, like peace, joy, love and faith. Not everything is mathematical or scientific in life.

homo neanderthals existed before us...u can check it up..i dont forge stuffs up

Gen 1and 2 states clearly that we were the only forms of man created by the christian god..
Bt scientific findings say otherwise...how am i lying?

i have not argued otherwise regarding neanderthals, we have both agreed that they are different from homo sapiens remember. i said you should "Show me where. Evidently, you are the one lying." Because YOU said that creation accounts say we are the only and first type of humans to. That is a lie, the Bible does not say that we are the only and first creatures on earth. Again, i will have to ask you, are homo sapiens the same as neanderthals?

MrMontella:
lol bruh....is the earth circular?

You are kidding right? What has this got to do with anything? By now, you should at least have a guage or idea of the level of who you are discussing with to be throwing up rubbish. Did the Bible clearly refers to the earth shape as circular or not? Or you think we should rather discuss geography or sphericity?

preselect:
[size=13pt]if you are looking for liars without conscience go to your redeemed pastor who went about promising that they would give unemployed youth 5000naira monthly allowance while giving children breakfast and lunch at school for free, also they promised to hold the dollar down below about 170 naira which it was then and all the other promises they made including security. . . . i dont know if they are liars without conscience but yu could help me investigate

also check the main liar without conscience himself. . . Liar Mohammed

when u finish come back and report your findings to me. . . . .Lie Hunter . . [/size]

#HouseOfLiarsAPC

Anybody who claims that "we didnt hear of the Bring Back Our Girls anymore" is a blatant liar or highly ignorant of events. Also, unemployed youths were NEVER promised 5000naira, it was the most vulnerable that were promised. This lie has been refuted several times already. They are already working towards the promises they made, and to give them some kudos, they did not give time. Even thgough everyone including them would have wanted it quicker, it is coming though.

MrMontella:
he told the romans ni??
Historical writings like the odyssey etc them many na..
Or u dnt believe he told the romans..
Or rada u havent heard of zeus before so u dnt believe he communicated with people for them to worship him?

You said/implied that zeus said that he is the real God. That is where i came in. Neither Hercules or Zeus said anything about them being the real God or about Heaven and hell and the need to believe them etc. i've read and watched some of the Roman stories, they say nothing close to that. All they say is that they are gods and they have powers. This is not contrary to what the Bible itself teaches. But for atheists to dishonestly make claims about some legend being the Saviour of the world whom we must all believe or go to hell, that is only found in the depraved imagination of the average sinner atheist. It is not in the annals of history like we have the Lord Jesus.

MrMontella:
i dont believe in any of them..yahweh or allah or whoever...bt u do so it should be important to u

If you don't take it as important, then stop telling me about it or bringing it up. Even the people who think it is important do not disturb me.

where people who refuse to worship allah spend the rest of their eternity after death

its in their doctrine and teachings and their holy book...
Its there like its in ur preferred holy book...
So i dont understand u here..

No it is not. If it is, show me where it is.

because u feel jesus is enough for u and therefore he automatically becomes the real deal..
Bt in the case of the others which is exactly like urs u automatically disprove of theirs...why?

You're not making much sense here. You are to take food to people that need it, that are starved and hungry. Not to people who are full and have no need. i said that i am satisfied, and that Jesus is good enough. But you keep pestering me to accept what you do not even know. Why? You are yet to show how others are EXACTLY like mine.

its one of the many offers...likewise other religions...each has their own offer...more peaceful offers

The Bird in hand is worth more than two in the bush, no thanks.

he wasnt referring to christians sir...judaism also makes use of the same scriptures..and
judaism dates far back as at least 1500 years before christianity...
So its nt exclusively christians..
Sir?

We have been reading the Scriptures before he was even born, the readers of Scriptures are the ones to show him the way. You at the least should get that.

like i said..imagine the true position of the fig tree..it was not in its season...
Apply that to a child in mauritiana(100% islam) and dies in a car accident at a young age or from starvation or sickness..anytin
its a simple straight question..
how is that person going to bear fruits?

are the tree fellers ominipotent present and scient?
Or do the tree fellers claim to give salvation or sometin?
he was dope maybe...i dnt think he did..besides the fig tree

So a tree is poor or rich depending on who is felling/killing it? The action of Christ on the fig tree cannot be said to be irrelevant when it continues TILL TOMORROW to be a source of faith, hope and vital lessons for people all over the world. That action alone has been more relevant than many people's life achievements. It literally staggered the apostles and changed their viewpoints on the power of God FOREVER. It was radical.
Mat 21:20 And when the disciples saw it, they marveled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!

in other words...
Neither you nor them know where either of you are going to right?

i know where i am going.

lol...now u have...
Do u believe?

What is santa claus message, i do not have it.

its an example..
Bt u do not believe the sun god can save u...do u?

One, i am already saved. What does the sun god say he wants to save me from and how?

i'll stop here on ahab's message...i can confidently say ur belief on it is based only on it being in the bible

Nothing wrong with that, although there is nothing extraordinary or absurd about the message either. Plus i do not think that was Ahab BTW.

u claim those to be fables...the believers claim it to be truth...and the vice versa happens for your yahweh...
I think ur belief is based on locality..
So is theirs...why then are they wrong?

It is not my claim, that is what i read. i read some of their MYTHS and FABLES about sumarai. What i read said that they were myths, legends and fables. If you have relevant material that says otherwise, you can present it. i wasn't born or raised in Israel so forget your locality talk yet again. There are christians in Greece, Italy, China, Korea, everywhere almost. If someone said he is my father or she is my mother, i believed because they have proven it by being father and mother to me. God has proven to be what He is to me, and He has given me what He said He would. That is why He is right. It doesn't get clearer than that.

Good...in other words...everybodys' parents are truthful..and everybody and nobody is going to hell and heaven...

Im okay with this...

Oh, is that what they said in their honesty? My parents(God) were honest, and i believe all that He said.

i was being a jerk there lol...
Nd i got the answer i needed from u..whats then the use?

You said "there's a lotta benefits." i said you should be clear about the benefits of atheism/open mindedness, now you are claiming to be joking? Then then you turn to ask me "whats then the use". My answer, pretty useless as is evidenced.

a lot...
When u realize that life is limited and precious...
U then extrapolate to others around u and u begin to realize the value of theirs...
And u can do better things to better humanity and this earth...
Like focusing on helping lives and survival of both the earth and our species...

Oh, you just realized that life is limited and precious? The Bible teaches that and i knew that since i was a small boy. What can a man give in exchange of his life? Love and charity are christian virtues, it is not atheism that makes one to do better things. When atheists were busy arguing up and down or killing people in their millions, christians were sending missionaries all over the world, building hospitals, universities and orphanages. There are toooooooo many christian bodies and charities helping lives, what exactly do you smoke before typing?

rather than preparing urself for an imaginary place...
Why not perfect the place u are in?

Tell me how you are perfecting the place you are in, and let me help you mention theists doing much more. The point again is that being theist is not mutually exclusive to what you are saying. In fact, it is a core part of real christianity.

each life is precious..limited
Co-operation promotes survival..
Since we found ourselves here...
The question shouldnt primarily focus on..how did we get here.
It should be...
Now we are here..what are we going to do to further our existence(as a species) ?

Who is forever looking for how we came to be through evolution or what happened 4.6billion years ago or when was God born? Your answer is good i hope. What are we going to do to FURTHER our existence. How can one settle that more without literally FURTHERING your existence in eternity? It is God's will that you live in health and with Him in eternity.

MrMontella:
the universe...earth its design..
Humans..etc are physical evidences of zeus creative initiative as his adherants say..
Zeus says he is the god of this universe...is that not enough evidence?
He is just one of the many other gods..

Where did he tell them, where did you read or hear these?

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[size=13pt]you are not alone. . . they say sometimes God punishes a people by giving them rulers like the Goat in Aso Rock. as per Chibok people. . . . . my sympathy goes only to your missing kids. You guys allowed yourselves to be fooled by APC and that Ugly woman from the east . . .go to her and find some solace. . . that is if you find her at all.

we didnt hear of the Bring Back Our Girls anymore since Pharoah mounted the throne.[/size]

#BringBackOurCommonSense

Do you have a conscience when you lie so blatantly?

MrMontella:
haba guy??...for real
How then did we know of hercules and his father?
If he didnt tell those who passed the message?
I am not understanding ur style again o

You mentioned that Hercules told other people and asked my stake. Simply present evidence, What did hercules tell other people? Where did he tell them? What are your proofs and pointers?
Why do you not understand the need for evidence, is that where you are wasting your faith? Why are you using different monikers?

raphieMontella:
In the book of Matthew, chapter 2, mixed into the Christmas story, the Bible describes an amazing massacre of thousands of babies: And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof from two years old and under, ...
Think about the thousands of families who were affected by this massacre. The Bible describes their suffering: they wept and could not be comforted. Of course they could not be comforted. If you are a parent, you know exactly how distraught you would feel if an agent of the government came to your door one morning and slaughtered your children..
Why did God do this? Despite Being all-knowing, God knew that this would happen. In fact, according to the Bible, God acted on his knowledge. But why would God take the time to reach down to earth and save his own child, and then allow all of these thousands of other innocent children to die? If God is love, where is the love in that? How could a loving God willfully allow such massive suffering without taking action?
Think about how easy it would have been for God to prevent all of this suffering:
[b](1) God could have appeared to Herod in a dream and told him not to kill these children.
(2)God could have killed Herod.
(3)God could have guided the wise men so that Herod would not have felt mocked by them.
(4)God could have protected the babies.
(5)God could have spoken to the murdering soldiers and turned them away from the task.
(6)God could have sent all of these families to Egypt when he sent Jesus and his family there.
(7)God could have made it so that no male children besides Jesus were born during that time.
(God could have changed history so that Herod was not king. It is easy to come up with thousands of solutions, yet God did nothing. God, by sending his son to earth, was the direct cause of this massacre. And God, as an all-powerful and all-knowing being, knew that it would happen and had the power to prevent it. In fact, God did take direct action to save Jesus. Instead of saving the thousands of other children, however, God stood by and watched as they were slaughtered.[/b]
It is interesting to note that this is not the only place in the Bible where God causes thousands of children to die.
In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early massacres: So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died.
Here the death of the children is directly at the hand of God.
In Isaiah chapter 13, God paints this word picture: Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes . Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. What a lovely image.

In Jeremiah chapter 49, verse 20, God paints a similar picture: Therefore hear the plan which the LORD has made against Edom and the purposes which he has formed against the inhabitants of Teman: Even the little ones of the flock shall be dragged away; surely their fold shall be appalled at their fate. At the sound of their fall the earth shall tremble; the sound of their cry shall be heard at the Red Sea.
In Hosea chapter 13, God paints a similar picture: Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open
. In Numbers chapter 31, God paints a similar picture: Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? Behold, these caused the people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act treacherously against the LORD in the matter of Pe'or, and so the plague came among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Here Moses, acting as an agent of God, specifies that thousands of male babies and children be killed, as well as thousands of women. The Bible states in verse 35 that the captured women numbered "thirty-two thousand persons in all, women who had not known man by lying with him. " This was not a small attack. Tens of thousands men, women and children were massacred.
In Deuteronomy Chapter 3 we find this: Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king of Bashan with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at Edrei. The LORD said to me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon." So the LORD our God also gave into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors. At that time we took all his cities. There was not one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them—the whole region of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. All these cities were fortified with high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many unwalled villages. We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children. But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves...
They massacred all the men, women and children in 60 cities at God's request.
Most Christians have never read the Bible.Should we, as human beings living in the modern world, be worshipping a God like this? Doesn't it feel odd to find all of this material in the Bible? Especially the quote from Moses in Numbers 31. You may recall that the sixth commandment is, "Thou shalt not kill." What does God have against children? Why would an all-loving, all-knowing being act in this way?

There are more of such verses in the bible..

What we are seeing here is not a loving God, but instead a demonic executioner working at a massive scale. Why would anyone worship this appalling monster?

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i see you have no problem with believing the numbers here. You think that they support your bias so you believe them wholeheartedly. Dude, God is not on trial, save your breath. Now if you will understand this, it is better not to be born at all or to die like one of those babies, than to live a miserable sinner's life and go to an eternity without God. In plain words, those children are in a better position and place than you are, stop crying more than the bereaved.

raphieMontella:
yes...allah requires ur worship..or u will burn in the islamic hell
Jst like yahweh..
So like i said..ure nt on the safe side...because he told you what would happen if u didnt worship him

And what are you doing about it since you seem to take this quite important? What is islamic hell? Show me where worship of allah is said to guarantee a safe side?

i love this quote tho...
Well muslims have allah...and they feel he is good enough for them..
Likewise buddhists etc

Oh they do, very well then. So why are you the one complaining again?

u know..allah is offering u 72 virgins if u can be a suicide bomber in his name..
Aint that offer cool enough bruh?

i don't need it if that is the offer.

nah..i doubt...he would be smarter than that..
Or do u have qu'ranic verses to support this?

i just googled it, it's even on the internet, na wa oh.
So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you.

what did the poor fig tree do to jesus that he had to kill it? Bruh?
U may say to teach that if we dnt bear good fruits we will be punished for it..
But like i said...imagine being in a 100% islamic country with no access to christianity and god doesnt reveal himself to u..and at age 14 u die in an accident(uve passed 14 so m nt wishing for u to die..hope u grab)
How can the person bear fruits?

What a poor perspective. One fig tree whose lessons have inspired generations to works of faith and healings and provisions for centuries is suddenly poor to you, but you have yet to bat an eyelid on the trees felled DAILY across the world. Good to disappoint you, Jesus doesn't engage in things of irrelevance.

exactly my point..u believe ure going to ur own heaven and them to hell..
Bt they believe the opposite...are they wrong in doing so?

Very opposite to your point, read again. i say "Even the adherents do not know where they are going."

getting a message doesnt mean it cant be cooked up..
U got the message of santa claus...does it mean santa is real?

i did not get the message of santa claus, sorry.

lol..common bro...m clean
i didnt break any law

hell no!...
were u there when the egyptian sun god was blessing the egyptians?

No i wasn't, and i have never been so suspiciously skeptical about whatever the sun god may have done.

bruh..no importance...
Im jst being skeptical...because i live in earth...
I wonder how they multiplied..
1 man 8 wives 473 kids?

Wonder no more, their king spoke to them and his message was passed. You believe too much rubbish like hercules, zeus, the chinese dynasties and their fables, the sun god, perhaps santa etc, you should not find it hard believing something so plausible.

Good!...now u know ur father is honest
why do u think the parents of islamic kids are being dishonest?...

i did not say they were, did i?

there's a lotta benefits...
U will feel it in ur heart...and u will know it and experience it...
Sounds familiar?

Be clear please, you're being vague. If something is familiar, then why are you telling me to come to it again? i thought you had something different to offer us from your open mindedness?

we wont be bothered if everyone keeps his/her belief to his/her self..
But no bro..christians dont...do u ?
(u may say u have a mandate:.i can use that ideology for atheists too)

Who gave you your mandate? What are you saving people from again? There is nothing good you are going to mention that i do not have and would not have. i am sure you know that.

raphieMontella:
hercules didnt tell u..
Bt he did tell other people so whats ur stake sir?
Must a god be interested in ur worship before he has to be the real god?

What did hercules tell other people? Where did he tell them? What are your proofs and pointers?

kings09:
Pls summon dropshot, ngeneukwenu, omenka, fulanimafia, madridguy,mrvitalis to come baptize d chibok ppl wit their insults meanwhile hunger de kill dem.

The joke is on you. The Chibok people aren't very educated. You can see that even their Secondary school students find it hard communicating in English. They can be easily swayed by prevailing emotions. But you that they have spent so much on your education, you should be able to tell the difference. i heard Pastor Kumuyi of Deeper Life has been holding open crusades all over the states in Nigeria. This was TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE in the days of Goodluck Jonathan, even the christian pastors actions speak very loud.

raphieMontella:
because of the flat earth the bible teaches...there are flat earth christians...
Asin a huge number of them...
Frm all statements on the shape of earth and space in the bible...
It can be concluded that the writers of the bible viewed the earth as below

Yet the Bible clearly refers to the earth shape as circular. How did you miss that? Anyway, don't bother me with that. The Bible's aim is not to help you ace your SS1 geography. It contains more vital thoughts than that.

aressssa:
Wendell Simlin: American woman accuses Reno Omokri of identity theft

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Dishonesty is his middle name....


That's pastor crooked, corrupt, 419, forging and identity theft omokiri just like his master...



Wonders shall never end..

Oh, oops.

raphieMontella:
i aint like that bro..even science gains new knowledge so

Good.

so u mean if u were in mauritinia which is 100% islam..u would have been a christian?
If so why hasnt god reached out to those there?

You don't seem to have anything worth noting to say, do you?

real dude=true pathway to the true god

You don't waste time telling Dangote that his riches may be fake.

bro it was..abeg abeg abeg it was..
Read ending of 4-verse 6...clearly stated..

The part you bolded in verse4 was not.

in an athletic field in a stadium..a race like 800m...do they return to their starting point? And at times pass it..?
Race was a description for its orbit
If it was nt talking bout the sun why was sun,morning,sky and heat stated?

And it mentioned a 800m race right, not a 50m or a 100m or a 5km? Let's suit you abi?

t was giving a detail of a geocentric earth..saying what the sun does everyday

It gave no such DETAIL. It simply praised God for His works that show that He is great.

u forgot the director of this speech is supposed to be ominipotent present scient etc..
Are u ominipotent scient or present?

So unfortunate that you missed that clear point. In communication, you come down to people's understanding and level, to what they can relate to. You don't speak english to someone who doesn't understand it. You do not have to be omniscient to use commonsense.

but it does prove it may not have been divinely inspired...
U never can tell since it is nt showing a creator talking

Give me an example of something divinely inspired that makes you arrive at this ridiculous conclusion of proof?

lol..u know am right there...
Nevertheless a creator who knows how his shvts work shud have been more detailed or added a future disclaimer because it wont be so in the future..
lol bruh calm down..
On a flute...the holes are as follows
do re mi fa so la ti do..
If u created the flute..know the future pple who will use flute etc(put all the qualities of ur god)...
Will u still tell me that if i blow for ''re'' i will get ''la'' and that if i blow for ''ti'' i will get ''skelewu''
?

You're not making sense here. The Bible was written by men, not God. It was authored and inspired(God breathed) by God. God can inspire a song a person is singing for instance, or a rod like Moses'. That's kind of how inspiration works. God uses it, possesses it as it were. It is not a priority or headache or big deal to tell creatures the shape of the earth or the itinerary of the sun. It never helped anybody make it in life. Life is more serious than you seem to be taking it. You can be a Prof, you can be a President, you can be a world champion, you can marry, give birth, go to Heaven or hell without giving a care the size of the sun or it's location. Get serious.

hey bro u said everybody does not me!

YOU said "everybody does tho not to the extent u claim we do..bt they dont claim to get the idea or are directed by god or smtin likke dat....and they know how it truly works..."

make is basically the same as create..
Nd i didnt want to take it literally..
But a number of biblical verses affirmed it meant 6 earth days...like 6 days...

Not the same, though can SOMETIMES be used as synonyms. You can make a horse do many things without necessarily creating the horse. You can make food without necessarily creating it. The food has been there all the while, your bed has been there all the years. Doesn't mean you cannot make it tomorrow. The words "create" and "make" are deliberately used and not interchanged in the Genesis account in the original renderings. God MADE the lights on the fourth day, what was going on the previous days that make you sure they were literal 24hour days? There is judgement day for instance, and the day of God's power, these are not literal 24hour days and Bible students know that. Don't be quick to assert what you know little of, that is blind faith.

Since all the economic issues brought forward are false.
There could be many real economic issues
there could be just one economic issue...and there could be no economic issue ...u never can tell

It is plain you are confused. Sorry about that.

im not a gnostic atheist...am an agnostic atheist...i dont know if God or Gods exist..

A sinner is a sinner, they are both confused and going to the same place jare. You don't know like you said, and you are not listening to us that know.

they existed before us..
Bt creation accounts say we are the only and first type of humans to do so..
So who is lying?

It did? Show me where. Evidently, you are the one lying.

HardMirror:
[size=32pt]I have prayed for the lame, the blind, the dumb and I have NEVER seen them healed. I have prayed for those with malaria, fever, headaches, pains and many of them got healed. I later discovered that even scientists can replicate the same results. [/size]

What of those of us that have seen them healed? What should we do na? Why are scientists not replicating the results like you claimed?

KingEbukasBlog:
Leave him to his delusion , he feels its rational thinking and he is convinced that he is making sense .

Lol. He is clearly wrong it is a miracle that he cannot see it.

omenka:
Reno is just one redundant oaf, and so are those who agree with him. We have seen people call Buhari even worse names than a dog.

It is one thing to call someone a dog and it is another to call a dog someone and then go ahead to write the the person's name on it- all this in a peaceful environment.

Had Buhari been a tyrant, no one would waste their time suing the idiot- they would simply throw his sorry ass in jail and have his dog swallow the keys.

I wonder why he didn't name his dog after his father- abi him like Buhari pass him papa??

Is Reno now into photoshop dishonesty? There is something significantly wrong with that alleged Omojuwa tweet.
1. Omojuwa's name is not BringBackOurGirls
2. That unclear tweet was allegedly done 12/3/12 7:50pm.
There was nothing like BBOG then.

blueto:

@Buhari, Since the drop in oil price have tied your hands and “looted” your brain from making effective economic policies that will help curb recession. Has it also thwarted you from fulfilling your promises on visiting Sambisa?

It seems neologists really coined the word “renege” for Buhari's sake. The man is just an indefatigable epitome of such word.

Meanwhile, Chibok community is an ipob/wailer inhabitant – Zombies.

Even if the uneducated people of chibok can be easily deceived into believing things Bihari never said or promised, you with all the money spent on your education should not be so deceived.

raphieMontella:
back to base 1..
Why do u believe his father zeus is not the real god and believe jesus is the real god?

For one, hercules or zeus have never told me this crap. It is only atheists that keep saying this crap about the need to believe hercules, even hercules is not as interested.

raphieMontella:
so in other words..u believe jesus was a mere prophet and that islam is the true religion also..
Lol..Wont u convert?

Trust is not gullibility. i clearly said "As far as it is safe, i'm good." Here it is. If somebody somewhere on NL is claiming to be President Buhari, no problem. It is not a problem for me at all. Now, if he tells me that he is, it is still not a problem, he is innocent until proven otherwise. i'm not even going to argue with him. It is only if it requires something of me that i begin to make more demands. The fellow's actions do not affect me or interest me, not to mention me believing or disbelieving him. i have Jesus and He is good enough for me. If someone has something better for ME, then show it already. i heard Mo said his followers should listen to christians or something like that BTW.

jesus didnt tho..
Well beat that one jesus!

Jesus doesn't engage in things of irrelevance.

bt disbelief in islam puts u in danger of the islamic hell bro..
Its unsafe

No, it does not Even the adherents do not know where they are going. Shush already and learn.

the possibility of spreading the message said by the guy frm a mountain top..thats the issue

i got the message and you got it centuries later. What possibility are you referring to again? Why leave realities and dwell on probabilities?

Israel had 1,300,000 fighting men in this battle. Of course, this is a ridiculously high number for a battle between two tribal armies in 1000 BCE. (The United States had about 1.46 million active duty soldiers in 2010.)
especially if they had originated frm jst a family of 8..not up to ten thousand years ago frm their time

Tell me something you are hiding from us. Were you there? And what is the importance of this battle to your life again?

lol..it hasnt...so u believe it happened because t was written in the bible ?
That makes u not open to other things or rather open mindedness

Open mindedness(whatever that means) does not have to make me disbelieve my HONEST father and friends. i have yet to see a single benefit of this touted open mindedness. i am okay with what i have. Why does that bother atheists so bad?