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seunny4lif:

Nigeria pastors and First seed
Nigeria politicians and Nigeria pastors

I remember when DLBC wanted to build the church Schools across the country and they told everyone to donate thier money, that the schools are for the church members I warned my mom but she saw me as devil
Church build school finished, the lowest school fees for a term is 100K
How much be her salary
Now, she no dey attend there again

i don't think your mom heard right. The dlbc i know very well (and even other churches) will not tell you that school is for church members. Or maybe they said it in the sense that it would be a Christian/godly school that their children can attend,a school to raise and promote godliness etc. Then your mom thought it's free of charge, no school fees.

If India had already invested $10 billion in Nigeria economy and we cannot see it, how will we see the $5billion?

CHARLOE:
U get time dey argue with dat image, he is deaf n blind to reason, he's programmed to defend absurdities in d bible no matter how absurd

You that have no time should keep quiet seeing you have nothing reasonable to say or add. You will not be the only one that read and did not comment. Or are you afraid for him?

HardMirror:
Christians are meant to be fvck in the ass. I mean really screw them. Don't pity them. Take advantage of their gullibility without mercy. That is the way to go.
Happy for the pastors fleecing the likes of imag123. God continue to bless them jare

You do not have to be so provocative in the religion section simply because you are a sinner. You are disobeying forum rules e.g rule 4. If you cannot talk normal, stay in the sexuality or romance section. And stop being afraid of mentioning me, i am not even Jesus.

PastorAIO:
There are lies upon lies and You are a liar.

I pointed it out to you, but I'm willing to do so again.

1) You accused me of saying that the inhaler was a sign of faith when I said no such thing. You purposely chose to misunderstand what i said.

I had questioned your claim that throwing away her inhaler was a sure sign that she didn't have faith in God. You are just twisting and writhing like a cornered serpent that has a torchlight shining on it.

2) You say you are not discrediting the pastor when there are clear posts that you are. Then you try to writhe your way out of it but redefining the meaning of discredit and claiming that calling him a mushroom pastor is not discrediting him. You're pathetic.

3) You then try to slip in some nonsense about a pastor/prophet being 'nationally acclaimed' before they can be valid. Yet we know in the bible that many prophets like Jeremiah were not nationally acclaimed but were in fact victimized by the authorities. And there are passages in the bible attacking the 'nationally established' prophets. You are even prepared to lie on the bible's head if that will suit your agenda.

Okay, you decided to hold the 'i am a liar' position, unlike your previous state of confusion. You failed to point out the lies upon lies though, talk is cheap. i can also claim that you raped somebody or that you robbed me. It's reasonable to ask for the proof, is it not? 3 alleged lies are not lies upon lies. Now, let's examine them.
You said "It was HER faith that made her believe that it was okay to throw away her inhaler." i earlier said that "nobody should tell you to throw away your inhaler, that is not faith." To which you or maybe the evil spirit that possessed you said "What is faith according to your definition? You seem to think that throwing inhaler away is a form of gambling." It is only logical to take it that you take a throwing away of inhaler as faith. If you do not think so, then stop speaking from all sides of the mouth, be direct enough. Or what then are we arguing about, lol. You claimed that "she had faith in no one else but God." Pray tell, how do you arrive at that conclusion?
i said and i say again that throwing away her inhaler is not faith. Faith is IN God, and God never told her to throw away her inhaler. She simply obeyed her pastor. Obedience to pastor is not the same as faith in God. And i mentioned that pastors do tell people to do a lot of things like stand up, shout hallelujah, open your bible, even sleep with me. These may be obeyed but it is not the same as faith in God. How siomple can this get?
Secondly, i do not discredit the pastor and i clearly explained the sense. Do you fail to read where i said "i'm not saying his person is false or real, i'm simply saying that what he did was wrong and unscriptural. In contrast to an ESTABLISHED nationally acclaimed prophet like Elijah or Elisha" Calling him "mushroom" is not discredit, it is simply who he is. He's unpopular or unverified or just coming up, or young or growing. Isn't that what mushroom is, or you do not understand simple english again? i mentioned this clearly to say that the Elishas and Elijahs and Jesus mentioned(or to be mentioned) were well known and had track record success of hearing from God. They didn't use the term loosely like many today so in other words, obeying them wasn't really a gamble. That was by the way anyway, the main point remains that EVEN they NEVER told anyone to throw things away as a mark of faith for healing. This is what i have consistently stated. you are free to PROVE otherwise or keep quiet. i NEVER said anything about a pastor/prophet being 'nationally acclaimed' before they can be valid. Stop lying if you can(that's like a hard command for a sinner anyway). i said everyone knew Elisha, Elijah and Jesus. They were people that even the blind and deaf knew that they heard from God. If folks are going to take any gamble, take in such kind of people. And make sure it is rhema, i mentioned Peter not going to walk on water to explain this even. Don't go risking your life because any dic and harry preacher said so. Check, does God say so? If you fail to understand that, it is your worries, not mine at all.

PastorAIO:
How do you know the word of God? Is it not human beings that told you that something was the Word of God?

Duh, the Word of God said so.

Okijajuju1:
This Nigga though.


Pays no taxes on his hussle, contributes fhuck all to the Nation and yet is worshiped by Tens of thousands..



He is the real MVP..


Happy Birthday Hommie.. Keep balling like a Baller..

Covenant university and kingdom heritage pay taxes, churches don't pay taxes by law. Stop hating.

Chanchit:
Lmao! so the straw that broke ur camels back was when Benny asked for money?
Until people stop looking for miracles you will continue getting scammed

Beautiful.

kinibigdeal:
Tell me what you know about her past antecedence...that our GDP was the highest in Africa and 22 in the world? That when global oil price falls under Obasanjo we never had recession? That under GEJ when the oil price falls we still never had recession? Please i need to know more of her past

We had enough savings and less debt to weather the storm, simple. It's like Mr A lost his job but had 10million naira while Mr B same social status lost his job but had 500,000 naira and co-op debt of 600,000. It doesn't take rocket science or Holy Spirit to figure out who will normally struggle in the two.

CHARLOE:
. All dis long story on top meaning of faith! Stop d rambling, calm down n reread ur epistle with ur bible. A barren woman gave Elijah her last meal in faith, she's foolish abi? Even Jesus said if I have faith as small as a mustard seed, u shall say to dis mountain be removed.
I no ur type, if didn't n throw d inhaler away you will still blame her for lack of faith, smh

i noticed that you struggle to cope with 'long' posts and i replied you appropriately, but you decided to ignore that and pokenose instead. Your lazy self should have read that i earlier addressed what you are asking. No barren woman was recorded to do anything with Elijah. That is how you make clumsy mistakes and blame God for your crass irresponsibility. The widow of Zarephath SHARED her food with Elijah. She didn't throw away her food,and it wasn't some unknown unverified priest that spoke. It was indeed the Word of God.

skintus:
Home Economics is not the same thing as Economics sir!

Hehehehehehehehe, you may be genius. It's today I'm just hearing someone say she studied Urban and regional planning (geography student lasan). Now you say it's home economics. I always thought she did the real Economics, lol. And one boy in Ado is comparing a secretary to a medical doctor. smh. This youths are irredeemable.

spartacus11:
hunger bad oh, so na hungry do u like dis, after reading this you still can't see the plan, u still don't know if assets will be sold or not, so dey go break ur head put the write up inside before u go understand, dey should explain when the explanation is just wat u just comment under na wa

The heading of the thread is terrible. The handler of the presidency moniker is evidently not savvy or in touch with how things should be disseminated despite being paid to do so. No difference from that special adviser to Jonathan who allegedly opened company account for pej when she asked for account to put money. Those are the kind of terrible people leading us oh.
Ministry Of Budget And National Planning, what a thread topic. Don't expect the OP to modify it, he doesn't have an idea how to, neither does he weigh feedback.

deantimes:
http://www.socialtimesng.com/2016/09/why-united-states-must-support-okonjo-iweala-for-world-bank-presidency-by-bade-adebolu/

Bade Adebolu is an Accountant based in Ado-Ekiti. That's all the reply really needed, lack of exposure. PDP boy boy.

Ranchhoddas:
This makes sense. But why do you say that they are non-essentials? Are they unimportant?

Very. No offense to those who take them important oh.

PastorAIO:
Kai! See lies upon lies!!




Where did I say that the inhaler (in toto) was not relevant? Maybe you're not a liar maybe you just didn't read what I said properly so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and repeat what I said again -

YOUR claim that you can have faith without throwing away an inhaler is NOT a relevant point.
What is relevant is YOUR claim that throwing away her inhaler is a sure sign that she didn't have faith in God.





See yourself, monkey!! You actually say things like that as a serious point of your argument. As if the writer of the bible could even imagine that such a thing as inhaler could exist. If they see inhaler they will call it magic.



Really? Hmmmm... What is this?






So all the above and more is not an attempt to discredit the pastor? Lying hypocrite!!

And if he is not a 'nationally established pastor' nko, does that not discredit him?

Even the idea of a nationally established pastor is so utterly stupid.



Ezekiel 13: 2“Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel, who are prophesying, and say to those who prophesy from their own hearts: ‘Hear the word of the Lord!’



That you obviously don't care is the most glaring thing in all you've said. You don't care for the truth of any matter.



So if you follow Christ daftly like a zombie then you are damned, abi?



So now if a miracle is not in the bible then that miracle cannot occur.

Evidently you are confused again as is the norm. It's either there are lies upon lies (that you can list as evidence) or i'm not a liar. You cannot sensibly hold the two positions and post.
That you can have faith without throwing away an inhaler is the most relevant point of the whole discussion. Faith IN God has nothing to do with throwing away inhalers. Obedience to a baseless instruction from a pastor cannot be said to be the same thing as faith In God. Pastors ask people to do a 1001 things, like shout hallelujah, or shake three people, or marry my son, or even sleep with me, or drink petrol. These are not evidence of faith in God. It's either your mind is made up and you need no discussion(which is what the platform/forum is for), or you are just mischievously hopeless.
And you do not need to be insultive or abusive calling others animals simply because you are an unbeliever. There is room for civility and obeying forum rules, you do not need to be a child of God to engage reasonably. i've mentioned several times throwing away things. There is no Word of God that says to throw away or keep THINGS as a sign of faith, is there? Stay in context, you are not a teenager.
i explained the context of discredit. i'm not saying his person is false or real, i'm simply saying that what he did was wrong and unscriptural. In contrast to an ESTABLISHED nationally acclaimed prophet like Elijah or Elisha or Jesus that was illegally brought up. He does not have to be a national or international established pastor to be legit. If you do not have a porous brain, you would recall that the context in which i spoke of established persons was in the Elijah, Elisha, Jesus context. That is that people knew them, they had a track record that God spoke to them, the whole of Israel knew, even the blind and deaf, i mentioned that. So you do not compare their INSTRUCTIONS to some unknown, baseless, unverifiable person saying God said, and then you jump. And i added that these established people NEVER told people to throw anything away as an act of faith to receive healing. If you decide to pick and choose from that explanation, it's your loss not mine. You're the one looking for explanation of faith, not me.
About following Christ daftly like a zombie, again it shows up your poor comprehension and eagerness to reply. Are you getting too old or something like those 90year olds that begin to behave like kids? Paul asked christians to follow him(and any man of God for that matter)as he(Paul or any MOG) followed Christ. Not daftly like zombies. Selah on that until you see light. i mentioned being personally cured of hyperopia so i wonder why you asked such a foolish question to end the post.

CHARLOE:
U sound confused, u're not making any use sense. Throwing away her inhaler was an act of faith, yet u blame her 4 exercising faith in d bible.
What if she was actually healed? U wld be d 1st to point @,her act of faith

Actually you re the one confused, m,aybe the post was too long. Throwing away her inhaler was NOT an act of faith, there is no such precedence or similarity in the Bible. And that is why i called it a GAMBLE. Or you do not know what a gamble is? She believed her pastor's BASELESS instructions, not God. You cannot put the liability on God. Even small companies and people's don't take such kind of liabilit. In other words, she's ON HER OWN. NO BIBLICAL backup of any kind or semblance. People did not have to throw things away to show faith for healing in the Bible.

Ranchhoddas:
How do you know these things? Do you have a degree in demonology or something? Why should anyone with a tinge of rationality believe this?

Hehehehehehehehe. i've told you, just believe in Jesus Christ and stay on your lane jejely,lol. All these non-essentials are the things that produce millions of different denominations and views. And folks tend to hold on to these to judge others and not do anything much.

PastorAIO:
Yes, we're talking about a girl who threw away her inhaler. You claim that you can have faith without throwing away an inhaler. That is not even a relevant point. What is relevant is that You claim that throwing away her inhaler is a sure sign that she didn't have faith in god.

How is throwing away your inhaler a sign that you don't have faith? Is that not a stupid thing to say? Isn't it daft? Jesus said that a christian should be able to pick up snakes and the bite will be harmless. It's like you've come along and said anybody that touches a snake has no faith in Christ's words.

You desperately want to discredit this pastor, but this is a man we don't know. We have no information about him other than that he is a pastor. Yet you claim that he is not a man of your god. You are just trying to disown him because he is a proven failure, just as you are, but the truth is biting you.

Paul was a man, just like the pastor, and in a passage that made it's way into the jumbled up collection of texts that you worship and revere so much he asked a church to follow him as he followed Christ. You can play your semantics any way you like but that passage puts the lie, Big lie, to your statement that:



The Corinthians Heard from Paul and paul insisted in the passage that they hold on to his teachings.

Men worship Christ. Should you then worship a man as he worships christ? Can you not see how nonsensical you are sounding, just because you want to twist a text whose meaning is quite clear.

If an inhaler is not a relevant point, why do you hypocritically mention it as a sign of faith in God? Are you confused again? There is no Word of God that says to throw away or keep an inhaler as a sign of faith, is there?
i'm not discrediting the pastor BTW. i have simply stated that faith should not be placed on a pastor and his sayings, but on God and His Word. i have referred to the pastor as 'mushroom', not to discredit him but in contrast to an ESTABLISHED nationally acclaimed prophet like Elijah or Elisha or Jesus that was illegally brought up. i have NEVER claimed that he is not a man of God. i hardly care if he is or not. What i have clearly and consistently said is that nobody should have faith in men's sayings and blame God. Having faith in men's sayings is simply a GAMBLE.
Paul asked christians to follow him as he followed Christ. Not daftly like zombies. He said that even if him or an angel were to bring another gospel i.e something different from the ways and teachings of Christ, we should not follow such. Another place says Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. The meaning and context of the verse may be lost on you and on many, but it is actually referring to HOW you FOLLOW men of God. You are to follow them KNOWING that Jesus is unchanging. If the person is bringing up something not Jesusic or Christlike as it were, you are free not to follow. This zombiehood that you (with your self acclaimed enlightenment) misread is what make gullible people do anything their pastor/prophet says, like sleep with them, eat grass, stepping on them, flogging them etc. It is not biblical. Jesus and no bible character ever asked anyone to throw away anything to show faith. There are litererally hundreds of miracles in the Bible. No such faith was required for the miracles to be done.

double.

PastorAIO:
if you like hear rambling, despicable hypocrite! Everything I said point for point was addressing something that you'd said prior.

I'll repeat:



I know you cannot make me happy. Bigots can't make me happy, they only rile me up.

You say that you only have Faith because it is faith in God not a person. But you will not accept if a moslem says the same thing.

Meanwhile both you and the moslem haven't spoken to god directly o, you can only make reference to a bible that was written by men no more 'mushroom' than the pastor that you are trying to distance yourself from.

Abi, did God personally give you the bible that you are reading, or did you get it from some 'mushroom' bookstore, as advised by some 'mushroom' religious leaders?

Duh, settle the point and stop running far from it. We were talking of a girl that threw away her inhaler on the intruction of a pastor, remember? That is not faith as God did not tell her that, she can have faith without throwing away her inhaler. Do you now understand that, or you have any scriptures that say otherwise?

PastorAIO:
1 Corinthians 11King James Version (KJV)

11 Be ye followers of me, [b]even as I also am of Christ.

2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.[/b]

Notice the bold "even as". You do not follow man blindly, you follow them as they follow Christ. That is what the passage says. Now show us how your pastor friend followed Christ in telling the girl to throw away her inhaler as faith in God?

PastorAIO:
You're certainly not here to make me happy. You are here to spread your bigotry. That can't make me happy, and I know that you know that.

By the way, a hypocrite is someone who holds a double standard. Like for instance saying that your religion is true because you have Faith (evidence of what is unseen) but Islam is not true even though that too is based on Faith (evidence of things unseen).

The Gambler too believes in things unseen (or at least he stakes his future on things unseen). What is the difference between a Gamble and your Faith again? Please explain it.

You're starting to ramble and lose focus throwing in a lot of fallacy for a short post. Faith is in God, not on the unbiblical instruction of some mushroom pastor. Is that clear now or you have a Bible passage that says otherwise?

magicminister:
hahaha!
Ngozi outclasses and outshines Adeosun in all ramfications.
Adeosun is only POORLY consolidating policies initiated by NOI.
TSI that was supposed to be a gradual process was hastened by Adeosun in order to score cheap points.
Look where it got us!

Even the necessity fuel subsidy removal was something NOI saw as far back as 2012.
Nigerians protested and blatantly rejected the subsidy removal.

What about the youwin iniative that empowered thousands of youths. It was one of the most transparent empowerment program in the history of Nigeria...

Please stop comparing NOI to adeosun
Adeosun is not even close to being a poor man's Ngozi okonjo iweala.

You mean the same NOI that confessed to high blood pressure just to pay salaries? The same one that was confused and borrowing when crude price was $65per barrel? You must be joking.

winner01:
So are you willing to brainwash them in your own damned version of hopelessness?
You hate God so much girl, and hate might eat you up fast.
Ill wish I could know what you would have made of your life in about 20 years from now

She'd be a believer by then.

PastorAIO:
You're talking absolute nonsense.

You are resorting to that typical bigotry that you often resort too. Claiming to know what is the contents of somebody else's heart and whether they are 'true scotsmen' or not. At no point in the story did we hear that the woman had faith in the pastor, she had faith in no one else but God.

I find it despicable, the way people such as you go about victim blaming when it's obvious that you nothing but a scam. When any of your claims fail then you can blame the failure on the victims lack of faith. How disgusting!!!
Yet if she never had an asthma attack ever again you will be the first to jump up and down praising your God who is nothing more that a projection of your bigoted self.
Semantics ko, Jagbajantis ni.

Your 'proof' of faith is obedience to an unscriptural instruction from her pastor. That is not faith in God, and any faith not in God is no faith. If you cannot take that, it's your problem not mine. i've simply explained the situation of things, I'm not here to make you happy or open your understanding. Faith in God has absolutely nothing to do with throwing things away, you are free to disprove that using the Bible. Faith is not a gamble. You've never seen me or read me jump up and down praising God for gambles. What was that rubbish you said about Claiming to know what is the contents of somebody else's heart again? AIO has been a hypocrite for the many years i've known him, I'm not surprised.

Ranchhoddas:
You always have a reply for everything abi?

No I don't, lol. Everyone has questions, believe me. We're told several times to BE AWARE of the false. Each individual should be on the guard always, it's a problem not solved by lists in itself.

Ranchhoddas:
What if a person is being led by one of these fakes to eternal death, would it be right for you to close your eyes because you are chasing eternal life.

What if, that's assumptive. If anyone doesn't hold the Head, even the so called real cannot help him. Lists don't necessarily mean eye opening by the way. Actually, they can be counter productive and simply increase curiosity and suspicion.Every believer should grow in the Word and hold the essentials, it's harder to be tossed to and fro that way.

Seun:
https://i.imgflip.com/1b4s08.jpg

Great verse/passage. Nothing wrong with approved intimacy approved by the Maker Himself. Just like Seun approves and bans content and monikers for his own interests.

Ranchhoddas:
You agree with his list?

i don't make lists, it's not in my scope of work. i don't listen to everybody too BTW. Something to do with stomach upset, lol, not necessarily poisoning. It's safer.Hold on to what is important, eternal life.

anonimi:
https://dailymail.com.ng/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/JONATHAN-working-1.jpg

Debtor and prodigal president ever.

Atheists seem to revel in folly almost going into spasms and fits at the mention of God. Someone may well have died if the OP directly mentioned Jesus. Agbaya evangelical atheists dem, find your mates, stop online harassment. Must you preach?

That's one of the marks of atheism. Atheists think they are animals, and no difference between animal life and human life. Remember, they lack standing and standards.

promise10:
I wonder!

We met Jesus in the bible with a very FIRM and unquestionable evidence of his evidence, whose denial of his reality make people look foolish. I wonder how somebody will tell me not to prove the reality of jesus with the bible, when they bible is written of him. So FOOLISH! It's like telling me defining evolution outside biological textbooks. Where is this done?!


That's why they will continue to fall each time they argue about that reality of Jesus. I am yet to see an atheist who will spends his little time arguing about the reality of mohammed. You can't see that simply because mohammed definitely has nothing to offer which is never the case in christ's side. That has made me to believe that NO religion will EVER withstand ALL the attacks imposed of christianity and still be! Imagine the way the early apostles died, rather than quenching the faith, it FUELED it. And they is NOTHING they can do about it.

I have heard many anti-Jesus stories, of which all of them are ALL DIFFERENT simply because they lack basis to attack Jesus stories, they resort to FAKING OUT stories to make it like Jesus' own so they can attack, yet it's not even working out.

lol, it's like a dog insisting humans must bark to explain human behavior. Ludicrous.