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raphieMontella:
and i asked..how would he?
If u had no acceess to it?

i would have access to it, my life is not a fluke or mistake.

lol..preaching to others too.



www.nairaland.com/3313668/what-happen-those-no-knowledge/4#48875832
click there...its my post about god's laws in our hearts..

What about it? You don't seem to like to hear the truth and reality. You prefer we should be talking fiction and utopia. Mr, in this life, if you are born to a poor man, you will suffer no be small. But it does not ultimately condemn you to poverty, and vice versa. While opportunities differ, we all still have our chances. You for instance have a thousand and one chance than millions of others, yet you do not take it. i've seen someone take it at first chance after attempting suicide, and he has never looked back since then. Face reality, not what ifs. They are not begging for newbies in Heaven. It is whosoever will let him come.

u will be 98.5 percent upwards to being a muslim..if this is not so...
Then why are there muslims there?

You who has no basis for morality should not be busy discussing morality. Because what is good to you is just good because you think so. Tomorrow, you may not think so again. He that believeth not is condemned already. While God wants/wills everyone saved, it takes nothing from Him and does not add nothing to Him even if it is only 1 person that is saved. He is eternally God, fulfilled, happy etc. He just gives an opportunity to man's race to be part of His kingdom, and even spites the devil who lost out. Uncountable folks who are weaker than the devil have already taken that spot and are taking it till tomorrow. You staying there fighting for human right or morality or how many people going to hell is just a useless venture. What would have helped you is to help/save yourself from the untoward generation. Your empathy and sympathy are just a waste. It costs God nothing to destroy the earth now now with its inhabitants. Imagine non-citizens without visas crying foul at not being given access.

i mean the adherents who do not change lanes now...




u still didnt answer it tho

It was never meant to answer it in the first place. It is not a geography textbook.

so if i create a phone..then tell u when u press the down volume button...the phone would auto. start downloading from playstore...
Then it is true?

If that is what you said and how you created the phone to function.

i didnt create hebrew..
Its just facts

No wahala i say.

but u expect others to believe it?

They do everyday. This evening, i will be going out on evangelism by God's grace. they would believe it as usual. Jesus is saving them every day. People have real problems, not people who are more interested in when the earth was created or where the sun is going to.

oh..but when the bible said earth was made in 6 days...u didnt believe..
The bible said earth is flat..u didnt believe..
The bible said marriage by rape is okay...u disagreed..
M confusedd here

Seems u do not completely believe the book

Rather, seems you have misunderstood the book.

so let there be light means yahweh didnt create light abi?

It means God did not necessarily just create light. There was light since forever, God Himself is light BTW.

going personal..lol
wait wait wait..are u saying god didnt create land

Same as above. Like i said earlier CREATING can be different from MAKING. Making things appear does not necessarily mean they were just created. He launched it as it were for the 'new creation' of Genesis, the era of man.

they are ''men'' tho

They are not of the Adam race. That is clear enough.

no problem..
Would create more threads for u to explain..u know christians see these arguments..etc

You know you should repent.

forray:
My brother, chill out jor. This is like the third time this is happening continuously since the last time they went to the presidenis and he walked out base on him saying his heart cldnt stand seeing the parents of the girls in tears.

What is wrong is wrong, u guys shld stop trying to spin things around. OK what stops the government from sending somebody to them, Atleast to speak to them, calm dem down. This administration is just been cruel. If it was the last administration, u wld see the whole country breathing fire and brimstone. All of a sudden everyone has a job and schedule.

If the president is too busy to Atleast show concern to its citizens instead of sitting down there in Aso Rock, saying he knows the plight of its citizens, what happens to the president wife or the minister of women affair? Like the saying goes, action speaks louder than words.

All of a sudden the BBOG movement is a disturbance or no longer important enuf for this administration to Atleast take few minutes to console frail heart. Make una they fear God and try get conscience.

Like I said, since nobody is speaking out, watch other protest been treated the same way, it's already happening, immigration 2000 comes to mind, imagine the cruelty melted out on poor citizens and the government didn't Bart an eyebrow.

This administration is all talk and little or no action mainly because of blind supporters like u. When there was a thread on how government officials is becoming rich with the disastrous forex policy at the expense of suffering masses, your like and the corruption fighting president we have are no where to be found and u guys become mute all of a sudden, make una continue, we are all in the same country.

The BBOG group meets EVERY DAY so it is not surprising if they have been denied entry to see the President many times. The government/military is working on their demands, they cannot be barging into the villa anytime they feel like. Nobody is stopping them from their sit outs or rejecting their messages. They are getting a lot of coverage and attention, not neglect and resistance like was seen in the previous time. People are ALWAYS sent to them to receive their message, it does not have to be PMB. The other time they sent Al-Hassan, Mungono and co, the group insisted that they do not want to see them except Mr President. And the man even came, what else? They are looking for the girls, abi na so e easy to find missing person? The previous administration teargassed them and threw chairs and objects at them so they don't even compare. They are allowed to make their protests and give their messages and go. Even me in my house, if i do not want to see a visitor, i don't. Government reps collect the message of protesters, it is not compulsory that it is the President that must always attend to them like he is jobless. If he finds time once in a while, fine. There is no cruelty in that.

rose54321:
Dude what are you saying, the govt is for the people so if it fails to see the people there's a problem.

If you read my message you would have seen that I didn't mention Buhari, I spoke of his wife, what the f.uck is she doing, self looking for money for her NGO.

What is the minister of women affairs doing now that she's back from her medical trip??.
That's why we have ministers, the SGF and other prominent appointments so that regardless of the number of groups that march PEACEFULLY they will be granted audience.

We are Nigerians let's not defend rubbish

Yes the government is for the people but the PRESIDENT cannot see everybody anytime they feel like it. There is always government representative to receive such complaints and requests and attend to them. The BBOG group insists on seeing the President only. If you will recall, the other time that the Minister of Women affairs and others came to see them instead of the President, the group did not agree. They had a standoff until Buhari had to come. The BBOG group should let the government do their job. The government is doing a lot to find the girls and ensue peace in the North East. If there was neglect like before, that is understandable.

futurenix:
*modif*

They were banned from operating on the 2nd of August except for moneygram, Western union and Ria.

Guess the test caused more harm than good.

What kind of leadership did we find ourselves in this 21st century still trial and error learning.


BTW has anyone observed the exchange rates in banks for online transaction is always an increment of 30 naira minimum with no option of the inclusive numbers between their current and previous rates.

Like leaving 300/310 to 330/350 without passing through other numbers in between like 311, 312, 313,...

Also left 330/350 to 370/380/ again with no 331, 332, 333,... or 351, 352, 353,...

From 370/380 to 400/400+

I really find this strange considering the naira is floating and bidding is done with such increase at a go.

The government made a big mistake devaluing the currency officially. It solved nothing like i have always said and like Buhari initially insisted until he was bullied to listen. Our economics here is not textbook like most other countries, it is unique and need unique solution. Divine almost.

modath:
Fayose is all fluff no stuff, he grandstands even with no legal leg to stand on... Even if someone does , the constitution of Nigeria trumps any state law which he is only pushing to bait the Fulani man in power & Fayose knows it but is banking on the fact that majority of his followers are not very intelligent so won't delve deep.

The constitution gives EVERYONE unfettered access to any part of the country, it's not right but it's the LAW..

I personally detest the unwholesome, unsanitary and unprogressive mode of wakaing with maalu, but i know it can only be stopped by federal legislation....

The Ekiti grazing law is not like you think it. It is applicable after curfew time. What they did is to give time for grazing 7am to 6pm. It is those caught after that time that it affects. And herdmen with guns.

cc; oatzeal, aresa, egift, OrlandoOwoh etc

Atheism is a state of confusion, simply no peace as evidenced by many such young lives here.

lozanni:
And you think such.marginalisation will win over the SE/SS to the APC? Think again.
Now that PMB is at the helm of affairs, he is President of the whole country and not only President of those who voted him into power.

Is it PMB that prepared the Budget? Is the minister not from the South? What about all the people that signed it? What about all the ministers that put their capital projects in it? What about the National Assembly that contains all the 36 state representatives?

Deepfreezer:
Nobody should preach to me oo. Where is Mitchell Obama and other useless women now. They were quick to carry placards when GEJ was in power. They should come and continue the protest ooo.

They carried placards when Boko Haram was carrying and kidnapping people anyhow and the FG was trying to hide the news and even denying it. When Boko Haram was taking over local governments at will, raiding villages, churches, mosques, markets etc. Things are getting back to normal now.

forray:
No sane individual will make mockery of this protesters, instead they wld speak against the way the government is handling this. Watch and see how future protest will be treated the same way cos nobody is speaking up right now. I smh for my dear country.

How is the government supposed to handle this? BBOG sits out every day in Abuja. They cannot just barge into Aso Rock any time they feel like. If that was the way every aggrieved sect was allowed into Aso Rock, things will not be okay. They are however very respected and encouraged. Nobody is teargassing them or scattering their assembly or throwing chairs at them like in the previous administration. There is free press and free speech. Dr Oby was interviewed on ChannelsTV as well. Also, they have had their audience with the president himself a couple of times. Everyone has a schedule and a job to do i suppose. There is time for everything, including meeting with BBOG IMHO.

Guyman02:
She has been fully settled for her work as a 97%percenter, Oby just dey embarrass her 5%percenter people.

Don't be a nuisance. Dr Oby has said it several times that she is not interested in working with the government. She said that too during the last administration. This is a woman that is made for life and can walk into Aso Rock and the White House on her own any day. What have you made of your life. If this woman does not work for the rest of her life, she can never beg. She is doing what is good and should be encouraged, not ridiculed. Speaking up for the oppressed and voiceless is a good thing. She does not need a job. She has worked at the highest places and met the highest humans(whatever criteria you use). Hadiza Usman and other members are also not under a curse or vow not to work for or with the government. Everyone has a right to their decisions. She was invited to help out with the government, and she is doing her own bit. Oby has never stolen anyone's money, so there is no embarrassment from her. She heads Transparency International if i remember correctly.

rose54321:
Where is the first lady,??:
where is the minister of women affairs?

**shakes head***
Nigeria my country...

They have attended to them already many times. The BBOG group meets EVERY DAY in Abuja. The government cannot be meeting them everytime they feel like coming to Aso Rock. What if there are other similar groups, is the government to be meeting them too? They came to be heard and they have been heard. What more do you expect?

AutoJoshNG:
The FRSC claims about 5,000 lives have been lost on Nigerian roads due to tyre burst from 2010 till date. This has necessitated them to intensify the effort on sensitization programmes and ultimate ban of the use of food-based and substandard sealing pastes mostly used by Vulcanizers to fix tyres across the country.

The Corps Marshal - Boboye Oyeyemi’s interest to intensify this sensitization and enforcement campaign is further reinforced by the House of Representatives’ Resolution (HR.65/2016) to curb the influx of substandard tyres, non-lubricant rims and fake tyre sealing pastes, as well as the use of food-based products on tyres by vulcanizers.

According to him, the Corps Marshal has stressed that Vulcanizers are culpable for the way and manner they improperly handle tyres during repairs, he added that the dangerous practice of engaging fake sealing pastes is capable of causing rusts on rims as well as wears on tyres.

He already met with The Vulcanizers’ Association to intimate them of their inappropriate and dangerous conducts.

http://autojosh.com/frsc-set-to-ban-the-use-of-substandard-tyre-sealing-pastes-and-other-improvised-gums-by-vulcanizers/

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Very poor and not well thought out. Have they carried out any tangible research to arrive at this conclusions or it is office and garage gist that led to this? Food sealants do not burst tyres. Before declaring jihad on them, why not find alternative solutions and find out,
1. Is the food sealant really not effective. If not, why? Or must they write MADE IN ABROAD before something works?
2. If it is not not okay, what is the replacement and how much? Is it the usual fake that is now worse than the one you want to ban? Or the one they will adulterate without control? Or somebody wants to make money and sell his sealant that he brought in and about to expire?
3. How will it affect the poor food sellers who have a major customer base daily from vulcanizers across the country? What is the cushion effect of this?
4. How much will the sealant increase price of fixing tyres? A tyre fixed for 200naira, will vulcanizer now say because of sealant, it is now 500naira? These are the things FRSC should think instead of standing around bad roads like street urchins, looking for who to pursue or extort.

Thisnut:
mr Joe should take the Nigerian justice system to the international court. This truly shows that the justice system in Nigeria is a shame. Why on earth would they kill his dog and put him in detention?

The only crime i see in this case is killing his pet and not calling his pet what ever he feels like. Would they have arrested Joe and afterwards kill his child if he had name his child after buhari ? Becausr In western counties, you treat your pets like you would have for your kids.

Animal protection agency should pick up the case from here . Even if he did call his dog to course crises with his neighbor , the neighbor on the other hand has no case, because the case is just base on perception, imaginary cases does not hold ground in the court of law. It's just like saying you had a bad dream about your neighbor killing you in the dream, even if you later die, no law will hold that neighbor

Nigeria is not a western country, is it? There's something called discretion. You don't offend others to exercise your right.

MrMontella:
in other words..satan does not tempt u..and satan is not responsible for evils we see...
Right?

Satan tempts me like he tempts every man, but he is not responsible for my decisions. i decide to yield or resist him, and so does any man.

but he told us we think with our hearts sha..

Context.

not what i said...i never said so..

i gave u benefits of being open minded...atheism is not a thing like the others..

If i prove you wrong now, you will simply say you understand or can't someone make mistake again. Atheism is not a thing, what is it?

u mistake me....in the afterlife..are u going to be u or another person?

You are the one that probably did not explain/express yourself as you wish, i did not misunderstand you at all. i have shown you Bible that says clearly that we shall all be changed, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be. But you cancelled it, why? You don't like the answer to your question. You really don't want there to be an answer, do you?

ur choice...you can also say the sun is a flat frying pan..

hehehehehehehehehe, no vex na. So what is an agnostic atheist if not an unbelieving sinner on the broadroad to destruction?

and i said it is also things other people naturally do irrespective of religion

i never said such..u misread

Here is your post not typed under duress. You said that atheism has a lotta benefits ..u think for urself, Selfdepedency, U control and take responsibility. Further down, you had mentioned how it made you human or charitable, which was why i said you don't need to be an atheist to do that, that charity and love were core christian values.

history..good word...will today exist forever or become past?
U say that the history of atheism is shameful bt disagree the history of christianity is shameful..
check the history of christianity in state affairs

The history of christianity is glorious. What you call the history of christianity is not christian neither was it perpetuated by christians but by religion.

not relevant!

How can it be relevant, lol. How can the words of Jesus the Christ be relevant in discussing christianity. You need to shake your head at the pathetic thing you wrote, i can't do the shaking for you my man.

ask deep on anything i only told u what i deem life to be...whats the lie there?

That's deep enough. i ask if human life and ant life are of the same relevance and you say essentially or basically they are the same. That is the atheistic ideology that Hitler had that led to the killing of millions of fellow humans.

hitler was never an atheist..dont make it seem like u have to tell a good lie like martin luther suggested..

Yeah right.

state o...asin state affairs control..

CHRISTIANITY has not been in state affairs control and brought catastrophe. Feel free to be specific.

as a humanist..not an atheist...
A human can do good things irrespective of belief..
Dont mistake open mindedness to atheism..
I said atheism makes u take responsibility for your actions...#because u dont see it as a result of some evil being tryna win ur soul or something

i take responsibilities for my actions like i have said and shown. Am i an theist? Who is a humanist, are all humans humanist?

worship ke?
Who am i worshiping?

Rather what.

check it na

lol...
E.g
islamic suicide bombers
theres a cult called heaven's gate...they believe if they die they will be transported to a after life spaceship..in 1997 39 members committed suicide because of this belief...

So that proves that there is no afterlife or what?

says someone who wishes for mansions in an unvisited heaven with golden streets...no death bla bla bla..ok

God said so, who said yours? Are your wishes righter than mine? Hahahahahahaha

u do not want to share ur precious afterlife with animals..
Why bruh?

Stop jumping the gun again, did i say so?

there are ways to make it a one time shot...
Even science tuday does a kinda sure implantation now...
Taking the sperm abi the egg and making sure the stuff works..
Or u havent heard of such?

Kind of sure, hehehehehehehehehehe. What does that mean?

not me..
Formed(made) me?
Knew me?
Knew everything about me?
Wont this contrast freewill if take it deeper?

God made you mr man, whether you like it or not. Knowledge is not a contrast to freewill. If i know you, does it mean i forced you to be what i know?

i ask again
are u in peters' generation?

i say again, Jesus IS coming. He said it after Peter died for Pete's sake literally.
Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the saying of the prophecy of this book.
Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

MrMontella:
www.greek-gods.info/theogony/chaos/
okay..
HERE ARE
Greek
ophion means life.. Confirm
creation gods
easier to understand
here

This are just myths and superstitions stories about the world. You lay claims to the earth being a god, the same earth we are on? Is it still a god? What are the tangible proofs that it is a god? Again, none of these chaos(an amorphous, gaping void said to be the domain of a goddess named Eurynome. This is all never ending legend that anybody can make up) and co claimed to create the world and all humans. They are inanimate. Who can compare to the Living God, the Eternal and Only Wise God who has no Beginning?

but they are still around...

Boxed in a corner, is the devil their daddy not still around?

www.theoi.com/Olympios/Zeus.html
sacrifices are sacrifices..since he is the god..so u should..

www.ancientgreece.co.uk/festivals/story/day3_e1.html
did yahweh give the ten commandments to you or the jews?

God clearly gave His commandments for ALL men to obey. The ones not to be obeyed are also stated and you know it. God commands and requires ALL men to worship Him. He made them all also.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

i did not shift any goal..i said i used ra as an example..that they are a lotta hells u should also be afraid of..
Where the shifting?

Stand for what you believe.

u will not like it...because u are a christian..
Bt i repeat what i have seen so far...

if Jesus existed..he did not exist the way the bible potrayed him to be...
Thats if he was not a creation of pagan beliefs..simple truth

It is not my job to like or not like what you write. Unfortunately, you have not seen much. Look further, study right, i'm not teaching you ABC.

MrMontella:
no u said..if u were in a 100 percent islamic country god will still reveal himself to u..
So i agreed that he will reveal himself to others...because he is not partial...or is he?
Ure missing the idea...

In Mauritania which you referred to, Officially, 100% of the country's citizens are Muslim, although there is a small community of Christians, mainly of foreign nationality. i don't think i said that God will reveal Himself, i simply said that i would be a christian. Stop putting words in my mouth to suit yourself.

lol to talk about others is now busybodying?
But preaching to others is not?
..
U do not like to give straight answers..
will people who have not heard go to an eternal hell?
If yes..they are suffering for the sins of the forefathers...
So whats ur answer?
(if their fore fathers did not sin#accept wrong religion..they wouldnt be in the mess)
its as simple as abc...

Preaching TO others is different from talking about and asking endless questions about and for others like you seem to make an hobby of.
i gave you a very straight answer, just that you REFUSED to see it. i said ALL men have sinned and come short of the glory of God. That simply means that people who have not heard go to an eternal hell. It is for their sins, whether you have heard or not. The fact remains that ALL have sinned. They have either lied, or cheated, or stolen, or murdered, or done something wrong on their own. They suffer eternal death for THEIR sins not any other person's.

na..dnt misquote me..ive been always saying one thing...
Adherence to a christianity is personal..likewise other religions
not that they reject proof of your god..

You are seeking to prove it in the above quote that it is not personal but forefather's. You are of the opinion that if a country is collectively muslim, then i would not be a christian. It seems you do not understand yourself.

thank you..likewise other religions..
Ure beginning to see...
They are unshakable in their various gods.. And he is the real for them..

There you go again, i mention PERSONAL, you go collective. There are different conversions HOURLY across the world, from A to B to Z and vice versa. How then can someone objectively say that THEY are unshakable?

[s]i have corrected myself...
But the sun was talked about in the second sentence of verse 4..and was continued onto verse 6...which still talked about an orbital movement of the sun..
So?[/s]

Next time, don't waste my time saying rubbish. i told you that the parts you bolded in VERSE 4 were not even referring to the sun. We had to wrangle about that until you finally accepted. Like has been stated, the aim of the passage was not to inform about the sun's itinerary, neither did it expressly state it. The passage simply tells us that the heavens and all of creation are a loud proof of the glory of God. It is not a chapter in geography.

it does not in this aspect..

It does, it is correct. Your bias blinds you from seeing it.

my research confirms it is literal..
The hebrew word is 'yom'
when ever 'yom' is used with a numeral it is always a 24 hour day..
No exceptions...
U can check it...so it is literal..

Because you say so, right? Anyway, you are free to believe it is literal, nothing lost or gained either way.

hell no!

Then i do not expect you to believe Jesus rose from the dead in 3 days.

Do you doubt the sun is the source of light u see in day time?
Are u open minded on it being from a space ship?

You are the doubter/unbeliever here, not me. If the source of light is from a space ship, the Bible would have said it. Unfounded assertions are not reasonable.

gen 1:2 earth wasnt existing...ur big guy created land on day 3..
So frm there plants animals man..
From where did neanderthals now come if the earth wasnt existing till he created it?

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Evidently, my english tells me that "let the DRY land appear" is different from "God created land on day 3". Your english teacher is not going to be too happy with you at the rate you are going. How can earth not be existing in verse 2 when verse 1 already tells us that God created it? Don't ever go into drinking or smoking, the result will be disastrous. Imagine if you have not taken banned substances and you are doing like this.

they are still under 'human'..
German shepherd dogs and dalmatians do not look alike..but they are still dogs...

They are not human beings. Human beings and Gorrillas are both classified in taxonomy as Primates. Human beings and dolphins are both mammals, they are not both HUMAN BEINGS. Say this out loud slowly 70 times, "neanderthals are not homo sapiens".

N.B: Now this will be the second to the last round of my "detailed" replies to you. i appreciate your willingness to engage and even discuss, unlike many atheists who do hit-and-run. However, there is so much on my time than to engage the visibly "full". The Son of man is come to seek and to save the LOST. There are millions of lost souls who know and accept that they are lost and need the Saviour. Those that are whole(who feel they are whole) do not need a physician. In other words, you are not looking for answers but rather for loopholes and to discredit. There are sincere seekers whom we dedicate more time and effort to, but from time to time, God does not leave Himself without a witness to actually engage. So after this round i am going through, and the next, i may not be 'detailed' in my responses.

MrMontella:
he had no idea the earth was ball-like

Certainly knew it was round. Maybe the word spherical or circular did not matter for him like it evidently bothers you. That is simply agreed taxonomy.

on what i know or what i dont know?

On what you claim to know, like the claim that there is no God or no afterlife.

if maths told her 1 1=2 and she wrote 1 1=2..she would nt have failed...
The bible said killing is bad...
God is all powerful and kills all kids in the world by a flood...
I repeat what the bible said..and said god killed kids..
U say i failed...smh

Any person knows that the Bible says not to kill. How you missed that shows how poor your study is.

lol...do u agree to killing of disobedient children?

Your question is not clear, let me not assume an answer.

MrMontella:
like i said..isaiah knew of words for spherical objects like ball or oval like egg etc...
He talked about ball in isaiah 22:18...so i can confidently say he viewed the earth as a circle...which is still flat..
We are just exchanging ideas...bt i do not believe in ur god at all...bt if u have indisputable proof...you can bring it...
Ive studied the bible...it is both good and bad...
The bible is proof that morality evolves...
The bible(new testament) is a good guide..and i would recommend it to anybody..
I dont believe in jesus bt like his philosophy..

You are talking algebra, WITH RESPECT TO Geometry. Isaiah was not. Simple. If you don't get that, no problem. As usual, it takes nothing away. If that is where you hang your eternity or belief/disbelief of God, it is your choice not mine. The words the Bible used in describing the shape of the earth are equally translated as round or circle. The ball can also be translated CIRCLE. Is a ball a circle in geometry? i do not have a responsibility or debt to prove God to you or anybody. My responsibility is to be His witness. If one rejects Him, many others accept Him. Heaven is not by force apparently. i need no other argument or plea. It is enough for me that Jesus died, and that He died for me. He has proven Himself in me and changed my life. If He does not change yours, He will change others.

americanigga:
I came across this your statement while I was just playing around. You are totally wrong. The people we read about in the bible Abraham and co what special knowledge did they have than the guy you made that statment to did not have? Did God create people differently? If he does not understand just admite you don't have the answere simple.

After all the people we are killing ouselves to understand are ancient illiterate or bush people who wear animal skin and carry big bone as tool. If this peaple can understand how can a man of today not undestand

Spiritual things are not brainwork.

MrMontella:
yeh..i can see ur ideas..
U believe...
A talking snake
world wide flood
virgin birth etc created the universe
bt disbelieve
a magical egg
moksha
miraculous conception etc created the universe.

No, you are not making sense.

same can be said for vinshu and the likes..

They clearly do not say what God says.

same can be said for allah

Proof?

then how come people convert to other religions?
Ure saying this based on ur personal belief
..even in nigeria sef..i think earlier this year...over a hundred persons converted to islam at once..in delta or so
can u preach and convert the islamic extremists(isis)? Or boko?

Certainlt NOT by coming to a crowd of 20,000 and repeatedly get hundreds of new and genuine followers freely without any coercion. ANY Crowd, ANY generation. The gospel is that powerful. IF any group of 20,000 people gather and hear the gospel, HUNDREDS of new and genuine converts will come out even WEEPING in repentance. This had been repeated several times in different place across 2016 years. NO god beats that, simple.

people switch lanes...
Its not asif only christianity gains converts..

u feel so..
The adherents do no feel so..

It is not a feeling, it is evident. All you need to do is get some exposure and stop revelling in ignorance of happenings.

remember..a higher number of adherents doesnt mean it is truth..
Even in ur bible...satan deceives many and will lead many astray..much more than those who will be saved..bt it doesnt make satan to be the person saying the truth..

Duh, you asked for measurable and physical evidence why God is greater than gods. i gave you, now you agree and shift to higher don't mean blah blah blah. Sit somewhere and get wisdom. Shifting aroung only makes you look amusing, it does not help you achieve anything.

some one cannot make mistake again?

but u see..nigeria is proven to be an existing stuff...
The afterlife isnt..
A better analogy would be
''snow white''
different views and movies about her...different views of her dwarfs etc

Don't be foolish, you are older than this i believe.

he simply means u cannot dictate for allah...he is god..
I gave u a wikipedia page of the islamic heaven...it is there

www.islamhelpline.net/node/6778
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orbitislam.com/ways-to-enter-jannah/
.
Quran 19 v 72: Then we shall save those who used
to fear Allah and were dutiful to Him. And we shall
leave the polytheists and wrong doers therein
humbled to their knees in Hell fire.

At long last, you are coming up. You have finally been able to show me something. Although it remains in clear contradiction of Mo's view that nothing is certain. Here again

should we take every single piece of ur faith one by one and put it under scrutiny?
Bt where did i say ur faiths are exactly?

One problem i have with you sinners is that you are shameless dishonest people. If i show you where you said that now, you will simply brush over it or ignore it and move to something else. Yet you expect that i should prove everything to your bias and satisfaction. Show me just one, no need to stress yourself and take every single piece of religion. Show just one that is the same as Christianity.

am not even on any religious or irreligious forum except nairaland..sorry to burst your bubble tho..

Duh, nairaland is a webpage, is it? i GUESSED you read it somewhere, or was it revealed to you? Whatever way, present concrete proof that shows us that God is exactly like other gods, or that there is no difference between serving God and other religions.

listverse.com/2013/03/30/10-resurrected-religious-figures/
just a wikipedia search on resurrected figures will heighten your temper the more

Evidently written by an atheist(habitual liars) who finds the Easter period frustrating to his soul. i said YOU should mention them, you are sending weblink. Your weblink says they are all MYTHS. Jesus was not a myth but an historical figure who lived among normal men, AS a MAN. Died as a man and ressurected as a man. Look at what you presented.
1. Dionysus- Allegedly killed as a baby by titans(whatever that means). They ate him, someone took the heart and sewed it into a thigh, then he was born anew. As ridiculous as this is, this is not resurrection. This is more of an incarnation.
2. Persephone- Another clear myth. This is why winter descends on Earth. Growth only resumes properly when Persephone is returned to the world of the living. We are talking physical resurrection, not things people just cook up.
3. Osiris- Another myth according to your evidence page.
4. Odin- god of Norse mythology. These are all superstitions that nobody saw or claimed to see. They just passed them on.
5. Ganesha- this one supposedly has an elephant head. How do you count an elephant head with human beings?
6. Lemminkainen- all this unknown wannabes. Wanted to capture one of the black swans from the river of the underworld. What does that even me? You believe this? Then his mother sews all his scattered body and sends a bee to fetch some of the gods’ honey. i'm short of words.
7. Tammuz- Each year Tammuz dies and the world (at least in the Near East) is hit by droughts and extreme heat, and when the rains come and the crops begin to grow, it is a sign that Tammuz has once again been resurrected. Another superstition. Have you read of the resurrection of Jesus at all? How can you compare it to any of this rubbish?
8. Krishna- incarnation story too. He is said to ascend not resurrect.
9. Quetzalcoatl- My or my. His ashes rose into the air and became birds, and his heart entered the sky as the Morning Star. How is this a resurrection?
10. Attis- Stop insulting people's intelligence with this kind of rubbish. The story i so rubbish.
These are not resurrections, get a dictionary. Jesus was raised up from the dead, and raised with purpose. Who has the so called resurrections helped? Stop comparing apples with oranges.
Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification.

it must be testable unambiguous and has undisputable evidence

Those are all relative criteria. What us unambiguous or undisputable to you may not be to me.

lol...have u ever considered listening to them before?

Several times.

judas believed in jesus..bt he surely went to hell..

He fell, that's common knowledge.

pls believe in santa claus..he is a good guy..

i used possibly for only ''ra''
there are other sure hells by other gods

And they are sure because you say so but do not believe so, that makes a lot of sense, right?

no i wasnt

no i wasnt

abijah cannot speak and 1.2m soldiers would hear him....
On the numbers...based on christian stories on the global flood...to achieve such numbers is ''wow''

Nothing wrong with the numbers especially based on the Bible. Abijah's father had 88children, not 4 or 2. At that rate, it is very possible. Also, the message can be passed as my friend Ebuka explained. Moses passed God's message to much more.

they said in all honesty that their gods are original and the correct version...
Likewise you

They hardly said the bold as we both know. Nobody ardued about their originality, there are gods and there is God.

bigtt76:
31st anniversary of Maj. Gen Ibrahim Babangida's coup tomorrow and this one de travel on the eve under same conditions - one year Eight months in Office, Hardship in the country .... #Issorrite!

The travel is not the mistake, IBB's action is the regrettable mistake that should not be repeated.

KingEbukasBlog:
A blog does not need necessarily need the details , just the main points

i meant the responses, the contents of the responses leave much to be desired.

Poor content again. The youths on this forum are a major disappointment and a reflection of the poor quality of education that has bedeviled the nation over the past 15years.I hope the ministry of education is revamped to save this country.

MrMontella:
ur idea that a real god has to be the direct creator is wrong...
I said his parents and co..i purposefully said it because i didnt want to start telling greek mythology here..
The original god is chaos i tink..who emerged to the rest..
Bt in the end..zeus became the god or king of them all..
Wetin hard to grab here?

You are still wrong though, check up your facts before talking. For someone who claims to base on evidence, you use a lot of faith, guesswork and probability to stand. None of the gods you speak of claimed to create the world and all humans.

how did he?
Did he box them?

Yes.

smh..read up greek mythology sir..
U would see the laid down sacrifices to zeus etc..
Which u need to start doing..

i clearly said " for all humanity to follow". i said there is NONE, you say there is. Simply present it or are you operating by faith yet again? Isn't that kind of your expectation from me?

what then are the sacrifices for?
Should i bring it here?

Yes, do. Show me where zeus needs my worship, waiting. Where and how did he say it? As in, where is your proof that he needs/reuires all humanity to follow him.

muslims do..
There are other hell's like i said..
Lesser than ten..so what about them?
Mithra's hell..
The Hindu hell etc..do u worship mithras?

Shifting goals as usual. We are done with muslims now, it is to move to another religion to hide behind. Be a man, stand for what you believe.

hey!!
Bro calm down..i didnt know ioffended u by saying jesus didnt exist as the bible claims him to be..
But its the truth..i can only say it is a lie if u have a gun to my neck...

You did not offend me. It is just rather unfortunate that anyone with internet access will make such claims like you do. It is like bringing in someone who cannot read to undergraduate class. The professor simply cannot start teaching abcs or 123. You go and learn such basics in some place else. i have no time, space or energy to start showing you that Jesus came to earth historically.

MrMontella:
lol...my life aint hard mister..my life is perfectly okay as i intended it to be..
U understand what i mean by a book thinking..i dont have to explain it..

You may have to explain it, i do not understand it. i think for myself, that's why God gave us brains duh.

i mean..when u sin..do u say the temptation was from the devil or not?

Jam 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed

u are catching my drift...actions,responsibility,,etc are not from a source..
It is universal..just like morality is not from god or the bible

Actually, your drift was that these things began when you became an atheist. That they are the benefits of becoming atheist.

so..in the afterlife..u take up a different life? Like brandnew?

ok..ok..
Answer the afterlife..

Exactly.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Happy?

what is an agnostic atheist?

An unbelieving sinner on the broadroad to destruction. Well described here.
Rom 1 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, ...they which commit such things are worthy of death

u likened it to a proof of being from a real god or so if im not mistaken..

No, i said they were christian attributes i.e things that christians would naturally do. You mentioned that atheism suddenly enabled you do similar, which you were unable to do before.

christians are generally known for manipulation and misleading humans.

In other words, you agree with what i said right? Only seeking to divert from shameful history right?

i also gave u what christianity is also known for...even from the bible itself..millions of death..

when christianity was in control of political stuffs..
What was it known for?

Christianity has NEVER being in control of political affairs in the sense you speak.
Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

why do i have this feeling this is becoming a personal anger stuff?
Flee free to ask deep..u will be amazed man..

the difference is that we are humans...and ants are ants..
Bt on the basic scale..life is still a one time stuff...
Each one with its average life span..
Whats the lie there?

Hehehehe, there you go. You did not even wait for me to ask, lol. What's the lie there? Same thoughts and devil that Mao, Stalin and Hitler had "on a basic scale".

no wonder christianity is being eliminated from the state these days..
Christianity or rather...religion in power is catastrophic..

What state? Be clear with examples. i am yet to see a catastrophic state of things where Christianity was practiced. CHRISTIANITY i say. Till tomorrow,
Pro 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

nope..wrong..am an atheist because i find no evidence for god..

Yeah you said those were your new found benefits. That it makes one do good things or make the world better.

exactly..cool we think alike here..
I only said doing good gives rise to better survival opportunities etc..
And thats my humanity

atheist is not even a thing..
U make it seem like a religion..lol

There is no tangible benefit in being atheist. You are drifting yet again and i do get your drift. You don't need to be an atheist to do good. Your humanity is shown in the need to worship an higher creature/creation, yours being alleged inteligence. Some others worship local gods while yours is abstract.

i said it has been proven to be very
misleading..bro na wa o..
It has been proven to be very misleading means the belief in an after life has been proven to be misleading..or peoples actions based on afterlife beliefs proves it is misleading..
I never said the after life has been proven..dnt quote me wrong

What you said is what you said my friend. So what are your proofs that the belief in an afterlife are misleading? You spoke with the dead?

i was jst tryna potray how it in a faithy manner...not that it is...and like i said..that was my own personal wish...
Animals die..likewise humans...
Do animals go into the afterlife?

i've been very gentle on you i hope? Your wish is inconsequential and irrelevant to the realities of the afterlife. Wake up and stop wishing/dreaming. You care about animals, right? Animal life, human life, the same for you. So, go and bother about them. They are not the same for me.

are u kidding me?
My parents mated to make me

Many parents have being mating without making anyone. In other words, that is not all that is involved in your making. GOD made you and formed you and knew you from the womb.

lol..prophecy that failed?
Are u in peters' generation?

He IS coming back again.

MrMontella:
like i said..isaiah knew of words for spherical objects like ball or oval like egg etc...
He talked about ball in isaiah 22:18...so i can confidently say he viewed the earth as a circle...which is still flat..
We are just exchanging ideas...bt i do not believe in ur god at all...bt if u have indisputable proof...you can bring it...
Ive studied the bible...it is both good and bad...
The bible is proof that morality evolves...
The bible(new testament) is a good guide..and i would recommend it to anybody..
I dont believe in jesus bt like his philosophy..

Or maybe he did not pay attention in geometry class to classify shapes and figures in an agreed taxonomy. Indisputable proof that what? Is that a new question? When are you going to give us indisputable proofs too? Evidently you studied the Bible like one of my cousins that studied Mathematics and failed. She did study though, and was sincere too. Morality of course should be in God, not on individual whims and caprices.

MrMontella:
thats what u wanted to present..when u said i asked about being in a 100% islamic country...

not everyone has heard..like i said what happens to those with no access?
forefathers?
Oh..so they are going to suffer in an eternal hell for the sins of their fore fathers
lol me?
Forget about me..i dont do fables..

they are my concern because i am a humanist..and im concerned about others..or is it bad?

That was not what i wanted to present, don't jump ahead of yourself. You said that God reveals himself to everyone. Stop making crass statements without backup. i already told you what happens to those who do not hear, the same thing that happens to those who sincerely do not see or hear an approaching train. Nobody is going to suffer 'eternally' for another person's sins. All men have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Unfortunately, the actions of others affect others. The actions of your forefathers are probably affecting you too today. If only they had gone with the slaves, who knows, you might have been a Brazilian today. Also if you continue in carelessness, your children will also be affected. That is how the world works, get used to it. If we are to forget about you, then we should forget about others too. Stop being what they call a busybody in other men's matters.

skipped tho

oh...u are rich in your own version of god...
Why do u then feel the other versions are poor in their own god versions?
The same way it feels dead on arrival to u...extrapolate it to others..
So like i said..
Its personal conviction #from all gathered from you

Of course, faith is PERSONAL. Glory be to God, you seem to be taking in something at last. Each individual is expected to have a personal relationship with God, not just follow the multitude or the trend. You've been busy telling me that people are christians because others are christians, and that they lack personal conviction or understanding of what they are doing. No, my foundations are personal, grounded and unshakable in God. Don't come wasting my time with what ifs God is not real, or what if ABC is the real. I know whom i have believed. Period.

baba..calm down..the beginning of verse 4 concludes verse 3..''their''
was talking about the stars..check verse 3..
So talks about the sun starts from after that fullstop.
yes..if the the course it follows was detailed as an orbital one..
And that was what was given..

Actually, you are the one who needs to calm down and listen. Over here, you said that the bolded words give description of an orbital movement of the sun. You bolded line, all the earth, and end of the world in verse 4. And i said that Psalm 19v4 for instance is not even referring directly to the sun and yet you bold it as describing Orbital movement. It is referring to God's works, creation, the heavens showing and declaring the glory of God, it was not referring to orbital movements.

what does circuit now mean?
Baba wants to deny the plain truth..

There is no denial there, it is simply your closemindedness at work. i have already explained the apparent/APPARENT movement of the sun that EVERYBODY agrees to in the basic SUNRISE and SUNSET. Till tomorrow, the sun is said to RISE in the East and SET in the West. That is apparent movement, not geography syllabus. Everybody uses it till tomorrow, but you think it is sacrilege for the Bible writers to do so. That is weird. Even in science, physics and astonomy to be precise, there is what is called Sun Path and Diurnal motion. These two take for granted the apparent movement of the sun. Nonetheless, geographically or positionally, it is actually earth that is moving. See, find something better to discuss or ask. This is Religion section. If i had the interest in tutoring people in earth rotation and revolution of planetary bodies, i would go to the section. i have no such interest. Don't bother me with insignificant rubbish.

by divinely inspired i meant of a creator..
In a mobile phones' manual given by the creator of the phone..
The on button is said to be the on button..the usb port is said to be the usb port...
Thats divine inspiration(creator/manufacturer/maker inspired)
oh alright..am correct tho..
M nt the liar here..didnt write any part of the bible

That's divinity? Lol. So divinity is for a manufacturer to give a phone manual and the phone manual is correct. Pretty much everybody does that i think. The Word of God still qualifies this your funny criteria/definition though.

depends...



bruh even the hebrew word depicts a day..
i am only saying the truth..
Okk...What does a seventh day have to do with six days if its not a week?
And then sets(bless) that seventh day as a worship day?/giving it as a pattern for man to follow?
Bruh?
Exo 20:8-11 details the relation between the six days of creation and the seventh day of rest as a week..

If u can believe 'days' may not be literal days..then how do u expect me to believe jesus rose from the dead in 3 days?

You don't believe maynots. i said it may not be, that i would not be quick to call them literal. The Bible does not say they are literal, and it shows instances where time is not literal whether day or hour or even week. It is not a major subject of discussion though, you are free to believe it is literal, nothing lost or gained either way. Do you believe Jesus rose from the dead?

hey! i did not tell you god exists..you guys did..
I base on reason and open mindedness

Doubt is not a positive open, neither is unfounded assertion reasonable.

the creation account clearly states that no being was on this earth before god created it..
Light-firmament-dry land-plants-sun and co-animals-man.
Okkay..
Why would god then say let us make man ? If they had been other men?
Or neanderthals are not ''human''?

Show me where the Genesis account clearly states that no being was on this earth. i thought you agreed earlier that neanderthals are not homo sapiens?

MrMontella:
yes it did..just once...and like i asked is the earth circular?
Isaiah knew of spherical shapes...he wrote about a ball...
So?
The book was even written in a time when popular belief that the earth is either a plane or a disk..
So its clear to see that it was just a wild guess..
Err'1 can infer that it was his own belief..probably gotten from looking at the moon and sun and they both appear circular..

Okay, according to you, when the Bible is apparently right, it is guesswork, and when it is apparently wrong it is God's work. If we are going to have a profitable discussion, you need to know what you really want. If you want to KNOW, fine, we are on course. If your aim is to show that the Bible is wrong, sorry wrong number.
The only difference between a sphere and a cirle is the dimensions, the are both ROUND. Talking 2-D, 3-D, 4-D is technical stuff. Isaiah CLEARLY stated the roundness of the earth. Another place talks of its "compass", which is also originally rendered circle.

Rossy99:
An undergraduate of polytechnic staying with us is growing wings. He doesn't help in domestic chores when hubby is away, he does when hubby is around, he Waits for us to tell him what to do before he does it and he is really making me angry which i hate to be.

When i report him to hubby, he won't do anything or even chastise him instead he complaints whenever i give him food that his food is too small. I'm not a bad type to give him little food cos i have conscience and it disturbs me wen i do bad but he is a glutton that only eats and sleeps without doing anything even to wash plates he use to eat.

What do i do?

i don't know what you are, but let me give you the Christian perspective which is the best perspective anyway. Talk to the boy. Step two, throw him out if he doesn't change. Irresponsible boys should not be pampered, he is not your child.

Just when this black guy has made it, his ancestors and evil spirits are bent on not letting him maximize his potential.

MrMontella:
simple questions require simple answers..
Are u in support of Gods' ripping of babies from pregnant mothers?
And killing children for the sins of their parents?
And did those children deserve to die ?
And that satan was proven wrong by God when he killed those children?.



Dodging from the question only proves me right more and more..
Behave like jesus and answer honestly..

You have been answered, it is not my fault that you do not like the answers.
Here's the answer again in case you missed it earlier. i see you have no problem with believing the numbers here. You think that they support your bias so you believe them wholeheartedly. Dude, God is not on trial, save your breath. Now if you will understand this, it is better not to be born at all or to die like one of those babies, than to live a miserable sinner's life and go to an eternity without God. In plain words, those children are in a better position and place than you are, stop crying more than the bereaved.