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PastorAIO:
Olboy, let me ask my question again in as simple engrish as I can manage.

I didn't ask you what she had faith IN.

I asked you, and I ask again, Whose Faith did she use to throw away the inhaler? Was it her own personal Faith, or was it a faith she perhaps borrowed from you?

Talk o, whether na you get the faith wey she dey use that is why you are so sure it is not her personal faith.

i answered you already, you were too busy fumbling with your knickers perhaps. i said NO FAITH. Anything not based on God is unbelief. Ever heard "have faith in God"?
You're blindly bent on winning a useless semantics argument as against understanding the primary issue at hand. Not my problem, not my fault. But you should know by now that's not happening.

Ranchhoddas:
@ Thesixthsense you seem to have a knack for detecting fakes. Please talk about Nigerian fakes.

Hehehe, you'll like watching film a lot. What do you need names for, what you need is the Spirit of God and attention.

cloudgoddess:
It always makes me cringe to see children in pictures like that. Brainwashed like no man's business, and to no fault of their own

But you a grown lady is brainwashed to accept what is said to have ridiculously taken place millions of years ago, go and sit down jare. I'm brainwashed and there's nothing you have or desire that i don't have, I'm fine. mind your own business, or is that not the moral thing you should do?

PastorAIO:
So whose faith did the lady in question use to throw away the inhaler?

Faith has to be IN God to be regarded as true faith, i've consistently harped on that.Trusting some unverified unbiblical unliving word of man is no faith.It's a gamble.

PastorAIO:
I didn't see the word personal in any scripture that you quoted above o! Unless you want to say that the woman we are discussing did not use her own faith to throw away the inhaler. It was HER faith that made her believe that it was okay to throw away her inhaler. abi?

Don't be disingenuous, personal faith is clearly bold thy, your. Faith is on God, not on pastor words.

Try to be objective, it will help your health.

blueto:
For your information: Buhari’s 1 Year + In Office.

Buhari was handed over:
– $30billion in our Foreign Reserves,

With OVER [url=http://www.dmo.gov.ng/oci/pubd/docs/Total%20Public%20Debt%20Stock%20as%20at%2031st%20March,%202015.pdf]$66.5 billion public debt[/url], remember or know from today. Also, note that this debt has somehow reduced and not increased [url=http://www.dmo.gov.ng/oci/pubd/docs/Total%20Public%20Debt%20as%20at%2030th%20%20June%202016.pdf]as at June 2016 to $61.4[/url]. The GEJ administration makes Buhari look like a bible days Joseph-Saviour of some kind.

– $2.5billion Sovereign Wealth Fund,

i don't have details about this, but i know it is some kind of savings fund. The FG has not withdrawn from it, and you would be the first to complain if they did. Also, it yielded interest, the last i heard, so what is your complaint?

– $1.4billion in the ECA,

It is said to currently excess crude account, currently stands at $2.91bn. That is an account that almost ran down under the ineffectual past administration despite EXCESS crude earnings.

– $4.65b back taxes from NLNG.

Please do not be deceitful, we are not small children here or lacking memory. There was NOTHING known about NLNG back taxes until Buhari administration. i remember when Buhari collected it and used it to help the 36 states, and people began to demand for the past. Here was PDP's explanation.
Mr. Metuh said the truth is that the NLNG had been on a 10-year tax haven until 2014.
“Within this period, successive governments, right from President Olusegun Obasanjo never shared nor tampered with the cumulative dividends over the years,” he said.
The federal government had last week shared over $2.1 to the three tiers of government. It said the money came from the payments made by the NLNG and other sources in the middle of June 2015.
Mr. Mohammed had claimed the payment so shared is the first time such lodgements was being disclosed by any government, in addition to paying it into the Federation Account for sharing.
However, Mr. Metuh said whatever taxes paid from the NLNG in the past went through the Federal Inland Revenue Services, FIRS, and recorded as part of the income of the Federal Government.

– Buhari met an approved budget of N4.5trillion

Approved budget with no money to run it. It is like me approving that you go and collect 1billion dollars at the bank, pretty useless because there is no such money there.

Buhari received within a year:
– $2.7billion collected by Inland Revenue in his first 8 months.
– $2.1billion world bank loan.
– $850million Grants from UK, USA and Europe.
– Excluding crude oil sales, Joint Venture profits, Royalties, Income from Customs, NIMMSA, NPA, NACHO ……

Propaganda, get your facts right. You don't have to be spoonfed on everything. i am sure you are one of those that Fayose has the remote to their brain and would believe that Buhari does not excrete if Fayose says so.

– 3trilion on STA

So?

More than a year has passed:
1] Not a kilometer of road constructed,
2] Not a watt of Electricity generated,
3] Not a Ward added to any Hospital in Nigeria.
4] Not a job space created, except the CBN job he shared with his cronies.
5] Not a grain of corn or tomato seed was provided to farmers. [Fertilizer subsidy taken away and handed back to ex-military men] 6] 41 foreign companies mostly in service industry have left Nigeria

More false news.

[s]7] 4.3 Million jobs lost in 10months – National Bureau of Statistics.
8] Food scarcity last experienced in Nigeria between 1983 to 1985 returned back.
9] War on Corruption turned into war against his perceived enemies. Convictions by EFCC were cases meticulously started by previous govt(s). Buhari wins cases only on the pages of Newspapers.
10] Nigeria dropped from No.1 Investment destination in Africa to No.27 before South Sudan.
11] African Biggest economy shrink from a GDP of about 7% to -0.36%, the fastest decline in the world since record began.
12] No.3 fastest growing economy in the world to No.83 in 365days.

And I wonder why the president keeps giving the impression that the country is broke. The problem is not lack of funds, but lack of qualified individuals in the govt.[/s]

Even more propaganda. Get your facts right, and stop this intellectual laziness, this is not election or campaign period. Serious people should be interested in governance and not all this blinded politics.

EternalTruths:
The problem with most Nigerians, is lack of understanding between monetary and fiscal policies
If interest rate is lowered, borrowing will increase which in turn will increase spending and investment.
But there are issues which you guys are overlooking

Interest rate was lowered in the last quarter of 2015 and increased by the first quarter of 2016. Borrowing increased this year brother. Are you reading textbook or what is happening live? When you say people are overlooking issues, are you not also overlooking things that would happen if the interest rates is lowered?

Once money supply increases as a result of reduction in interest rate without a corresponding increase in production of goods and services,
1) Inflation will set in as more naira chases few goods and services.

Inflation has already set in and is enjoying itself. We have increased interest rates twice already this year, so what are you saying? And why do you assume that money supply would increase but production of goods and services would not increase? Who assumes that way?

2) Exchange rate against the naira will strengthen as our people demand more for foreign goods as a result of the inability for our local production to meet our demand.
With increase in inflation and exchange rates, depression will set in 6months after its implementation.

This is laughable really, all these already happened and are steady with increased interest rates. The strength of the naira this year is one of the worst in the continent, remember we INCREASED interest rates twice this year.

So What is the Solution.?
1) Increase in local production of goods and services
What are the things that can be done to boost local production.?
1) Cost of doing business must be reduced by reducing taxation, electricity and fuel costs

Agreed, Buhari himself has been shouting diversification even before election. All the parties seem to agree on that, but do the people will to? Are we truly ready to produce? The stick approach used to try and cut rice importation and encourage local production backfired for instance. Instead of imported engine oil, we claim we can make. Are you ready to buy? What we have in the market is known brand containers, with made in Nigeria content, but foreign price. At the end of the day, the root issue is not really local production increase, but but how to get the people off the foreign. We also need some out of this country quality control, that's one suggestion.

2) Commercialization of graduates and undergraduates Technological innovations/reinventions/inventions by reintroducing YOUWIN specifically in institutions of higher learning. YOUWIN staff should be posted permanently to each institution to scout for each project and check the commercialization potential of each graduate and undergraduate project that can be financed by the Government and Private Sector
YOUWIN financial support should be increased from 10million to 30million naira minimum due to the present value of money.

YOUWIN is still ongoing and similar schemes. The impact i very debateable though.

3) Investment in non oil sector by the Government to boost local availability of raw materials and reduce dependence on foreign raw materials which tend to increase the cost of doing business and put lots of pressure on our foreign exchange.
These things can help take Nigeria out of recession in 6months time.

This is pure rhethoric that we have been saying since 1990.

Once we are out of recession, we can then reduce interest rates so as to make more money available for our people to spend and invest in our economy in order to sustain our local industrial and economic activities.

INCREASE in interest rate guaranteed recession in my opinion. We increased the rates in the first two quarters, remember.

HardMirror:
You are a very discerning man I must confess. Am I angry? Yes. Am I proud and boast in the exploits I performed? Absolutely yes. In fact I use it to ridicule christians that try to preach to me.
BUT I implore you. Do more research on your faith. I have and I am more convinced the church and jesus and christianity were all fabricated for the political motive of the Roman empire. Do more research on the Roman catholic church. Their history.
I hope one day to have the patience to expose my findings.

Your findings. Let that day and patience come quickly, let's see your findings. By see, i'm sure you know that i mean let's rubbish your useless findings. Jesus is Lord, remember.

HardMirror:
Don't worry bro, with your comments so far, I am willing and ready to discuss with you. I have honestly been searching for a christian I can trash out matters with. Let's open things up and I promise to be open minded

Lol, TheSixthSense, don't mind him oh. He thinks he has found a 'real' christian to prey on.

HardMirror:
I won't. The important thing is establishment of truth. Is the Bible all it claims to be? Truth fears no scrutiny

What is truth? Who decided that truth fear no scrutiny? Do you truly have balls literally? Can and should anyone passing scrutinize for confirmation? Do you smoke weed?

HardMirror:
First I am glad I coincidentally met someone I believe to be a matured christian and I am sure we would learn a lot from this thread.
The big question is, " Is Jesus who christians think he is?" Can we rely on the bible as message from a one and only God?

You don't believe there is God but you want to answer question on the Word of God. i am not understanding, lol. Is Jesus who you think He is? Should we rely on you?

HardMirror:
You are still saying rubbish. You say faith is personal. So the woman acting on Elijah's instruction, who cooked her last meal for the prophet was acting on what? What of the woman with the little jar of oil. What of those who followed the instructions of Jesus to get their miracles?
A lady acted in faith and just because she did not get her miracle, you now say faith is not a function of acting out an instruction from your spiritual leader. You just prooved to me to be nothing but an hypocrite.

i'm sure you do not have a selective or partial brain and that you read my post to AIO. i do not say that faith is personal, the Bible says so. Scratch that, Jesus says so several times. If anyone knows anything about faith, Jesus does.

Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
Mar 10:52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
Mar 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Luk 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

Faith is personal and has to be IN GOD, not in man. i mentioned RARE cases where other's faith or gifts can help. And i mentioned that such cases are usually ESTABLISHED, not a mushroom preacher somewhere. There is a clear undebateable proof to follow. Following the instructions of Jesus or Elijah is undisputable and established. i also mentioned rhema. Jesus or Elijah never told anyone to throw away anything before healing. If someone did it and it worked, good for them, but the faith or biblical practice is not in the throwing away or keeping. i even gave you a personal testimony, but of course you want to justify yourself as the usual waste of time.
Note also that the women that you mentioned never lost anything or threw away anything. They were even choiceless anyway, and they were instructed by national established and proven men of God. They took no gamble, faith is not a gamble. Throwing things away is not necessarily a act of faith. No Bible passage says that, stop being mischievous.

MarkMiwerds:
The Church meets many places. Sometimes in a building, sometimes not.

The Church is the people,... not the place.

We are saying the same thing, the church will meet somewhere.

OlujobaSamuel:
u no crios at al at al, u mean our problem no get scientific solution?

E no get oh. Who stops garri from being sold at 600 instead of a normal increase from 300 to 350 or even 400? The unions would even make sure you cooperate or cannot sell. Who stops local rice bought at 9000 without loss, from being rebagged and sold at 18000 blaming custom or buhari or dollar or even God?

atirolu:
The result is that consumers have more money to spend, causing the economy to grow and inflation to increase. The opposite holds true for rising interest rates. As interest rates are increased, consumers tend to have less money to spend. With less spending, the economy slows and inflation decreases.


Now the question is what is the scale of preference target...... growing the economy or reducing inflation....

Am not an economist thou but I ting to grow the economy is one way of getting out of recession inflation can be control with short time policies while growing the economy is a continues process that should be look into with all measures

This is what you read in the textbook. In Nigeria, economics don't control inflation, devil and cabal seem to have more control.

The CBN boss and many bank bosses should have been sacked since last year already, they are saboteurs to the needed progress.

Imagine if someone went to an high class Muslim like sanusi went to Pope in Italy. Paranoid people would be sending text, WhatsApp message and Facebook posts all over that I should pray hard against islamization or that the meeting should be disrupted by the host of heaven.

EternalTruths:
All thanks to a particular part of the South who voted in an incompetent President to out of hatred for the SE/SS people.

I hope when Guinness starts sacking them to remain profitable, they won't wail.

Drunken men and orgies reduced at the Aso Villa maybe, plus GEJ has been out of the country a lot this past year.

The ECA is increasing, almost $3billion. Also, the FG is not borrowing to pay salaries. i think Adeosun is coping compared to Okongo Iweala who confessed to developing high blood pressure borrowing the country dry at $65per barrel crude.

Ranchhoddas:
^^^Woah. Donnffd I am eagerly awaiting your response to the above.

We've discussed this point before i suppose. The point the two are making are not of importance in the real scheme of things. Their opinions are similar to you preferring garri and another semovita. Or using cold water or hot water to bath. It's not compulsory for them to agree on that to be friends or brothers or even family. It has little or nothing to do with God or Holy Spirit or Bible, except someone just wanted to force the Bible to say what it didn't say. Like reading "Judas hanged himself" and "Go and do likewise". That's criminal, not scriptural.

MarkMiwerds:
Funny, I can't find the phrase "have church" in my Bible.

I don't "go to" church,... I am part of the Church.

Mark don come again with irrelevant argument. Is it not somewhere the church will meet?

HardMirror:
Because I used to see things too. I see demons angels and open eye visions. I have seized seeing such since I Regarded it as my mind playing out my belief. So I know for sure they are hallucinations. If I told you details of things I experienced, it may seem I am making things up. The little I shared, I have been branded a liar.

Maybe you had hallucinations, but not others. i've seen people had experiences that resulted in sicknesses taken away and real problems solved miraculously. Your small world and small viewpoint cannot be used to generalise and globalise the reality of the supernatural.

CHARLOE:
Abeg park well jor, always shifting d goal post wit ur weak defence.

You've not said anything, stop wasting data.

PastorAIO:
What about the Widow of Zarephath? When she used her last flour to make bread for Elisha, was that faith or not?

What is faith according to your definition?

You seem to think that throwing inhaler away is a form of gambling. Why?

I'm curious to know how you redefine faith.

i have not redefined faith. Faith remains the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. It is loyalty and trust IN GOD. You gamble when you do not hear from God. When you hear from man and from yourself, you would be gambling. When you hear from God and can confirm it, you can take it to the bank. i perceive you may ask further questions on that, but remember that the Word of God has to be alive, what they call rhema. If Peter says he will go and walk on water because Jesus said he should last month, he will likely drown. That is not a stable all time instruction. That's rhema. Or he goes and cast his net the other side every single time, because Jesus once said it and the net brake. You see that towards John 21v3 for instance. That is why somethings may work before or another person, doesn't automatically mean it works for you or now. Faith is NOW, like you don't use yesterday's oxygen to breathe today.

On the widow of Zarephath, the cases are very different. One, it is not a case of healing, two it is old testament, three Elijah is a prophet, a known national ESTABLISHED prophet for that matter. The whole country knew that he hears from the Lord and the proof was clear to the blind and deaf even. Elijah's instruction was FROM THE LORD and he stated it clearly. The woman asked queried him and he had to explain. She was going to die anyway, and Elijah did not say she should give him all her food but that she should share it, giving him first. VERY DIFFERENT. Some mushroom pastor telling you to throw away your support is not scriptural but simply a gamble.

1Ki 17:1 And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.

1Ki 17:10 So he arose and went to Zarephath. And when he came to the gate of the city, behold, the widow woman was there gathering of sticks: and he called to her, and said, Fetch me, I pray thee, a little water in a vessel, that I may drink.
1Ki 17:11 And as she was going to fetch it, he called to her, and said, Bring me, I pray thee, a morsel of bread in thine hand.
1Ki 17:12 And she said, As the LORD thy God liveth, I have not a cake, but a handful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and, behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die.
1Ki 17:13 And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son.
1Ki 17:14 For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth.
1Ki 17:15 And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days.

HardMirror:
Imagine the rubbish of a defense image123 is putting up for God. Later they would say god created the inhaler

i do not think i defended God, He needs no such defence. i simply explained what happened. Pastor is not God, and faith is personal. Jesus Himself said several times that it is unto you according to YOUR faith. Except in rare cases where a man has an ESTABLISHED gift of healing and working of miracles, healing and receiving from God is normally according to the individual's faith. And faith's demonstration is not necessarily a throwing away of inhalers as i have stated in the previous post. And yes, God created you, and all things.

HardMirror:
How more confused can you folks be?
Someone believed god 100% and threw her inhaler away, knowing God had healed her. She gets an asthma attack some days later. And one christian said it is cos she lacked faith (what??!!) Then you another christian said she should not have thrown her inhaler away. So you can still blame her when she keeps using the inhaler saying she does not have faith that is why she is clinging to the inhaler.
You are all a bunch of jokers

Actually, you are the confused one here. i have always maintained my stand on faith. Faith is PERSONAL, it is not a pastor's instruction. Faith has to be personal and ALIVE. It is unto you, according to YOUR faith, not according to another's. There is nothing scriptural about a pastor telling you to throw away your inhaler. i follow the Bible, not people's experience. If you follow the Bible, there is no gamble there. Your statement is ironic and contradictory, IF God has healed her she would not have an attack, would she? For instance, i once had hyperopia. i prayed to God in faith and it was taken away. i have my glasses till today. It's somewhere at home, all i need to do is search for it. i did not throw it away, neither have i EVER used it BTW. EVER, and i can guarantee that i see better than you. But God healed me, i prayed in faith and it left. Faith is not in the keeping or the throwing away, God sees the heart and motives.

HardMirror:
We are very familiar with this tactic.
Once people reveal the secret of what they are actually passing through, you quickly label them as faithless.
How small is a mustard seed? For me to throw my inhaler away, it shows I have a faith bigger than a water melon.
Keep fooling yourself

Faith is not the same as gambling or pool staking. Faith is personal, nobody should tell you to throw away your inhaler, that is not faith.

donnffd:
Noone can deny the vastness of the galaxy and universe as a whole. There are about One trillion planets in our galaxy alone and even if a small fraction has life, it would be in the millions, so it is safe to say it is inevitable to have intelligent life on some of these worlds.

With SETI(search for extraterrestrial intelligence) gaining more funds and better technology to scan the skies for intelligent signals.

I want to ask you guys, in the event we do discover an intelligent signal from an alien world!

- would these beings also be creatures of God?

All things were made by Him.

- would they look like us hence like God?

No reason why they should. Not all creatures look alike, or do goats look like humans?

- would they also need a saviour?

Who cares? Mind your own business would be very apt.

- would we see them in heaven after we die?

For what? Irrelevant, more relevant is if we ourselves get to Heaven. It does not appear what will be like in Heaven.

- would the sin that applies to us, also apply to them?

No, my sins are mine, and given to Jesus anyway.

- would they be created from dust like we were?

Should they?

- would jesus also go to that planet and die for their sins?

I am just curious...

If He has to.

HardMirror:
Comeon!!!
The op is wrong is on this. He is asking christians to explain something christians don't even believe in.
His premise is wrong.
Christians don't believe in other planets, they only believe in earth, heaven and hell. So why ask them about extra terrestrials? Comeone!

Christians don't believe in other planets? How, where, and when? Christians knew there were extra terrestrial powers when the world's wisest were still amazed at mirrors.

HardMirror:
which is even worse. by the time you get deep into meditations and rituals, you start hallucinating cos you condition your mind to see things that dont exist all in the name of having relationship with a being that only exists in your conditioned mind.
humans love rituals because it makes us feel wee are doing something important, something beyond mere mortals.

satanism, christianity are all about submission to fantasy gods

And why not consider the option that humans are actually wired that way, wired to worship i mean. And why do you think experiences are hallucinations? Once you do not belueve them, they don't happen. If someone says they happen, they must be hallucinations. If proven beyond doubt not to be hallucinations, you go for another excuse like why did it not happen to so and so etc. Hiding your head in the stand does not take away the fact that you are on the broadway of destruction and in dire need of the Saviour.

@Rogosa

Image123:
@OP
whether the issue is spiritual or not, one thing is sure. You need to fumigate that house and literally light up the darkness. No bat even if na satan the devil possess am, will dwell in a well lit area. Also, move closer to God. Seems the experience drew you to seek religious/spiritual answers. God takes advantage of circumstances to draw humans closer to Himself. Do draw closer to God.

HardMirror:
You were very instrumental in getting this thread to page 6. Please don't slow down now, you've worked too hard to give up at this point. Or should god pay you half day's wage?

My attention was brought to this thread by my friend Ranchh that likes to flatter me. It's sad you have no joy though. What gives you happiness is creating threads and page increase. That's disheartening. Do you remember the joy of the Lord? A joy full of glory, not this 10naira happiness the roaming mad fellow experiences without stress. i see you need Jesus. You're fast becoming such a morose shadow of what a Christian doesn't want to become.