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dankol:
You are just proving the point am gona make soon about the so called body of christ. Lol so Olumba is not a recognized autonomous branch of the Christian Church.Wao.. am not surprised, the hatred within is so deep with the body of christ. the question is, why should a group of people set themselves aside from others to sing and dance, if they do not have a new ideology? well,i guess you should help me define Denomination then..
perhaps you dnt know, the bible is a tool used to validate islam, the talmud is a tool used to validate the bible, one preceeds the other. So if you see islam as a break away faction.. i respect that view.Afterall, jesus was even mentioned more than mohammed in the Quran.

Sorry, i prefer to use the word brand because in the business world, that what is done to remain relevant or break into the market. you need to have a unique brand. So i use the word on purpose. Sorry, am not a prophet, i only make educated guesses. But then why should i guess when you are right here to answer.

If you clearly do not follow the bible, you are not a Christian. The Brotherhood of the Cross and Star is a Nigeria-based new religious movement, founded in Calabar, Nigeria in 1956. It differs from mainstream Christianity in that followers believe its founder, Olumba Olumba Obu, is the Holy Spirit personified, thus giving him the attributes of both God and Jesus Christ. That's not hatred, don't be irrational. Or is that your church you've been ranting frantically about?

CHARLOE:
Plz @dankol continue sowing d seeds of doubt n reason. For so long we were made to believe doubt n reasoning are bad, but without these 2 attributes, u will always fall maga to any 419 scam.
Image123 has bin trying his best to discourage u from completing ur story but like I told him, he can't stop dis train. We're wit u, Ur story is touching thousands of people in different parts of d world, d scales are falling off their eyes n d truth is setting dem free from d bondage of religion. Kudos to u n hardmirror

Your hypocrisy is the strong original type. Folks complain a lot about christians keeping mum or having no answers or comments to grumblings like the OP put up. Many at best gets a God understands and diversions. Here you have direct access to answers and replies but you several times beg him not to listen. Are you afraid to discuss your unbelief? Scriptures says to test every spirit and to produce your strong reasons, so stop lying about Christianity being a call to gullibility. Why and how on earth would i discourage him from completing his rants? This is the exact thing you complain of about religion, you are irritated by differing views. Your delusion is not a worry in heaven, it was predicted.

dankol:
[b]CHAPTER FIFTEEN
PART TWO CONTNUATIONN
I could not fight it anymore. The bible says, “SEEK AND YE WILL FIND” I went into prayers, sought the face of God, I needed answers, I was desperate to know the truth. I yearn for knowledge, I wanted to hear from him, I want him to assure me. Throughout the time I sought God in prayers, I always sing this hymn, it was my favourite then, “OH JESUS I HAVE PROMISED”. I used to be intruiged by the lyrics of that hymn. Its so powerful only if Jesus would have acted according to it;

O Jesus, I have promised
to serve thee to the end:
be thou ever near me,
my Master and my friend;
I shall not fear the battle
if thou art by my side,
nor wander from the pathway
if thou wilt be my guide.

O let me feel thee near me!
The world is ever near;
I see the sights that dazzle,
the tempting sounds I hear;
my foes are ever near me,
around me and within;
but Jesus, draw thou nearer,
and shield my soul from sin.

O let me hear thee speaking
in accents clear and still,
above the storms of passion,
the murmurs of self-will;
O speak to reassure me,
to hasten or control;
O speak, and make me listen,
thou guardian of my soul.

O Jesus, thou hast promised
to all who follow thee,
that where thou art in glory
there shall thy servant be;
and, Jesus I have promised
to serve thee to the end;
O give me grace to follow,
my Master and my friend.

O let me see thy footmarks,
and in them plant mine own;
My hope to follow duly
is in thy strength alone.
O guide me, call me, draw me,
uphold me to the end;
and then in heaven receive me,
my Savior and my Friend.[/b]

What exactly were you seeking for if i may ask?
When John Bode served the parish of Castle Camps, near Cambridge, England, in the middle of the nineteenth century, he had the privilege of officiating at the confirmation of his daughter and two sons. This hymn was written specifically for this occasion, and originally the first line was “O Jesus, we have promised” because all three children were making this dedication of themselves to the Lord.
While Bode wrote the hymn for young people and referred to the alluring temptations of the world, its message applies to Christians of any age. As the second stanza declares, “My foes are ever near me, around me and within.” It is easy to blame our problems on external influences, but often our greatest foe is within.

Several times I tried raising some issues up, at a point, I was not selected to ask questions at bible study, because I challenged my pastor to a stand-still the previous bible study. My radical friend of blessed memory tried his very best but he usually gets hooked up at this point: I call it, the focal point of all pertinent questions ever involving God.

What happened to having a discussion with your pastor. You are trying to blame your church for not selecting you to ask questions. Obviously, no one allows that. Nobody or organisation allows being challenged or confronted anyhow. There are many media to bear your grievances. Even board meetings are not the venue for aluta. Me that i am ready to give you answers, you have been running away na. But you want to create a scene in church and poison minds, nobody allows that. Even in family setting/meeting. Once they no that a particular fellow is not interested in progress but just want to argue or scatter everything, they either don't call him or find a way to deal with him. Why would anyone challenge his superior to a standstill publicly and expect to be given the same opportunity again?

I start by asking, is God omnipotent (all powerful), omniscience (all knowing), omnipresence (ever present and everywhere). If this is true, then, It is God’s plan for the serpent to come to the garden, deceive Eve and make Adam eat of the fruit. This also implies that, God wanted man to eat of the fruit of knowledge and be like him. But later, the scripture told us, he never wanted it so, yet he could not stop it. He would say no and go defensive and will say, God gave Adam freewill..

God is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent but those things in your bracket and in your mind are not the definition. For instance, God is not in your saliva, that should be basic enough for you to understand. Your premise is faulty and so is your conclusion.

That’s not freewill, choice between two options is not freewill, freewill actually implies, whatever decision you make is devoid of another person’s influence, reward or punishment. The truth of the matter is, an all-powerful, all-knowing, ever present God would have averted a lot of mishap that occurred in first few chapters of Genesis. If he couldn’t, I need a convincing answer to believe he is indeed all the aforementioned. To make matters worse, he regretted making man at a certain point and the only way out is to eliminate man from the face of the earth by flood... does that sound like an intelligent being to you, how much more ascribing the aforementioned three to such a being.

What is freewill and who has it? Freewill is ability to independently make a decision i.e not programmed or wired to do that. Like your choice to answer this post or not. That is an example of freewill. You choose to stay away from crime and from 4419business. You can decide to and you can decide not to, that is freewill. When you are coerced, that is not freewill. It has little or nothing to do with consequences.

Our discussion usually ends with, “God knows best, he alone can answer your question”. Infact, I realize no man can actually answer my questions satisfactorily like God would, hence, I stopped engaging people in religious discussion except you on the other end started it and I would warn you severally about the implication of what you are about to make me do. Cos If I open my mouth to talk, the seed will be sown and there will be no going back.

You have been opening your mouth wide since the start of the thread, all i see is ignorance and gullibility, though i must also pity your being unfortunate to be in the church you were. The answer is right in front of you.

dankol:
WAIT ... ARE YOU SAYING, THERE ARE NO DENOMINATIONS OR THERE ARE NOT AS MUCH AS CLAIMED? THAT WILL HELP ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTION EFFECTIVELY.
for q1: DO YOU BELIEVE IN OLUMBA OLUMBA AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF GOD TO MANKIND? What do you think of Mormons? Do you believe they know, worship or even believe in what you believe as Christians all of you are as a whole.. infact do you acknowledge that they are christians? if you dont mind, i would like to know the brand of christianity you belong to? it will help me hit the nail on the head better. thanks

Mormon is a christian sect, i never knew that Olumba Olumba was a christian sect or denomination or what are you implying? You just said there are over 10,000 denominations and you cannot even mention 2 conveniently to help your argument? i do not know of any christian denomination who preaches that they are the only one going to heaven. But you say that there are over 10,000 saying that? Are you drunk?

dankol:
Q1: Thats the point, just as they lost their relevance like child's play same is happening to christianity
Q2: Bro, sorry to say this, Jesus was actually a made-up historical figure, a compilation of all the aforementioned. There is no record of his existence outside the bible by people of his own time.. if you got one, pls pop it up.. i would gladly want to read such ancient no-biblical reference

This a a paramount level of ignorance on display. Your very date of birth is tracked to the existence of Jesus. You must be very smart than the whole world that knows otherwise. Have you read any ancient reference to verify the existence of Socrates, or Plato, or any of the Caesars, or even recent Shakespear? i'm sure your double standard believes that they exist/existed by faith and what you have always been told. To humour you though, read up from Flavius Josephus, Irenaeus, Ignatius and Polycarp since that is your request to acquire commonsense.

Q3: that is the difference between an organized religion riding on political wings and a casual traditional belief just like that.

Ah but you gave the impression that Jesus is no different from your over 100 names. Now, you are the one backtracking shamelessly and telling us that there is difference. Na wa oh, this freethinking business is too cheap this days, we need to remove the subsidy.

dankol:
Thanks bro.. but i think you guys are getting me wrong.. If i wanted to leave the church/religion because of the unfortunate events happening, i would have left long ago.. but i came to admit the humanity in our spirituality, hence i ignored all the rubbish, thats why i can tell you all that story. there are other intricate scenerios i would have brought up, but i choose not to. the cause of my leaving religion is based on the scripture inadequacy and the concept of God. that is why i put forward the exerts in blue... See what we are brainwashed to believe as unique about christiandom is actually not true... Dnt worry, my thoughts will help you understand me better, that is if you choose to. mind you, that does not mean you agree with me. Thanks for the invitation, If Jesus loves me, he would have answered my questions..

Did you say leaning on Jesus... i tried it, it got me nothing sir... I am leaning on NO ONE.

You never leaned on Jesus, you were never born again. Jesus never knew you.

HCpaul:
This is why trying to study philosophy is not good unless you are ready to optimize it to defend the flaws of your belief.
@bolded, you don't accept claims and intricacies without asking the whys behind them.

Why was they sentenced?

I have already predicted your answer so here is what's next.....

What makes them to rebel

Beauty and pride are far more behind the reasons, so think of what they saw and how unbearable the laws are.

Though I don't expecting confusion to be excepted from the Bible because the reason why a single book is authored by thousands of people is questionable.

i didn't start the film from the beginning, anything wrong with that? In your worldview, laws are only broken because they are unbearable?

CHARLOE:
I bet 99% of xtians (including d troll image123) don't no this). This was a rude shock to me during my own research a few yrs ago.

Rude shock! Research!! Lemme play with you a little, it's weekend play,lol. Who's divine teacher of Plato? Or it you can, explain how Chrishna of Hindostan is like Jesus Christ.

kings09:
I can tel u the VP position is an insensitive position till the president says otherwise. Don't always use ministerial appointments as example cos the president was forced to obey the contitution. But observe those appointments dat are @ d discretion of d president, they are majorly northerners or southwestern muslims. Ppl dat r criticising d president are not doing so witout facts. I repeat Nigeria is a HETEROGENEOUS country n dis shld be reflected. Evry ethnic group has its honest n well-qualified members. No tribe has monopoly of competence n integrity.

kings09:
I can tel u the VP position is an insensitive position till the president says otherwise. Don't always use ministerial appointments as example cos the president was forced to obey the contitution. But observe those appointments dat are @ d discretion of d president, they are majorly northerners or southwestern muslims. Ppl dat r criticising d president are not doing so witout facts. I repeat Nigeria is a HETEROGENEOUS country n dis shld be reflected. Evry ethnic group has its honest n well-qualified members. No tribe has monopoly of competence n integrity.

The VP position is insensitive to you, yet he is the number 2 man in the country and the most active VP in our democratic history. I'll remind you that i mentioned ambassadors, Perm Secs, DGs and several assistants under government payroll. If they feel irrelevant, they should resign for northerners and muslims to take over. If you continue to bypass and overlook them, it's hypocrisy. Our problem is not appointments, there are people from all over the heterogeneous country in the nass. We see the fascinating job they are doing.

That presidency moniker on NL will tell us this tomorrow or Monday. Yet he is being paid. Recurrent expenditure.

AmenRa1:
My bad m sorry I didn't know U were high on something

Your ignorance is not a surprise, most unbelievers are ignorant and should be sorry.

frank317:
oga, i expected you should be intelligent enough to know you shouldnt be making this kind of dumb statement. when an atheist says he chooses to go to hell, can u 'imaginary things' believing Christians simply understand that this statement is as a result of his unbelief? must everything be explained to you guys like u are kids? whew, no wonder you go to church every Sunday yo listen to a man who claims he is a man of God tell you the same thing over and over again.

i thought that he was of age to speak for himself. Anyway, i have never made a statement about meeting Santa Claus, or about what the flying spaghetti will do with me. i have never met a sane person make such statements, because they do not exist. Such questions cannot arise out of my unbelief, only out of insanity.

are you now saying fear is a positive thing? do you think your child should fear you? fear is wrong bro, but, for a deluded christian mind, its right. what a shame.

What i said is very clear, read it carefully this time around. "There's nothing wrong with using some fear. It is what keeps some people going to work every day, it makes some careful when crossing the road, it keeps some from physically assaulting government officials, it has kept you breathing."
Children should fear their parents. Do you fear jumping off a cliff? You should.

no one is stopping him from living a fear filled life, but remember he tried to threaten an atheist, he wants an atheists to live your deluded fearful life and the atheist did what we like doing most... make nonsense of your believe.

You do not have to live a fear FILLED life, be reasonable. What does it mean to make nonsense of belief? Hope it is not what we see mad people doing on the streets, they also like making nonsense.

AmenRa1:
What is this one talking about

He's talking about what your fathers did and what you would do.

hopefuLandlord:
Oga, wetin na

Why all these threats?

Okay, he wants to go to hell, now attempt to change his mind by proving your god talks to you

Is that too much to ask?

Why are you proving that the only thing stopping you from questioning your belief is FEAR?

He wants to go to hell,yet hell doesn't exist. Prove to me that your brain is receiving oxygen, is that too much to ask? There's nothing wrong with using some fear. It is what keeps some people going to work every day, it makes some careful when crossing the road, it keeps some from physically assaulting government officials, it has kept you breathing. Allow him the right to use his fear and find something productive to do with your life. Some atheists work hard in Apple and don't whine and gnash teeth all the time like you.

frank317:
WTF is Pilate and Nero. Have u died before?

What is WTF? Have you seen God before?

dankol:
Don't be ridiculous. What is divine health, and where is it preached in the Bible?
Obeying God gives you good health anyway, and it qualifies you for healing.

THE BOLDENED GOT ME CRACKING ... I am really enjoying this criticism. You make this write up complete sir. More ink to your pen

That is very good to know, don't let those bad eggs(like kalokaloe or what's the name of that fellow) influence you again oh. You failed to answer the cracking questions though.

AmenRa1:
just imaging if they could heal Steven hawking the whole of science history will change!!! Think about it

They healed the man and the beautiful gate, but got threatened never to speak or teach in the name of Jesus. Remember your fathers?

Key members of economic team are 1. Prof Yemi Osinbajo, 2. Senator Udoma Udo Udoma, 3. Kemi Adeosun, 4. Okechukwu Enelamah, 5. Godwin Emefiele, 6. Audu Ogbeh and 7. Lai Mohammed. The majority are professing Christian, even pastors dey there. Are they working magic on the economy?
This economic team met so called experts early in the month and it was in the news. The so called experts are mainly southerners and professing Christian too. They are Mr. Bismarck Rewane, Mr. Bode Augusto, Prof. Akpan Ekpo, Dr. Ayo Teriba and Prof. Badayi Sani.

atolls:
I strongly advise not to be SENTIMENTAL with issues, it is obvious in the post.

I have these questions and observations

1. Are you saying all Muslims are Islamist/Jihadist?
2. 17 appointments were made in Education along with those mentioned, you only mentioned 8,what about the other 9? Or you feel muslims don't worth 8/17?
3. How do you come about Taking all appointments into consideration 88%? pls we're all students of mathematics
4. If you fill those post or do similar analysis under President Jonathan, it is worst for the Muslims appointment and nobody complained.

Please, let's live above religious/ethnic/language/etc sentiment and see issues.
If anyone of them is not qualify/performing, then we should say it.

Idon't care if Buhari put all his family member in all appointment, so long there is food on my table and money in my pocket, they should carry go!

Don't mind them. The Senate and the House of Representatives where there's equal representation, we can see the mighty progress they are making there. Competence is what we need, not federal character rubbish. Even if the person na foreigner, just get the job done well for me. It is empty opposition that is magnifying this and making it obvious.

frank317:
It's alright man... Unfortunately, u and I know ur God will never fight for himself. What do u expect of a God who watches boko haram and ISIS slaughter his so called beloved and molest them.
Have fun waiting for him to fight for u, I assure u, it will never happen. Also enjoy worshipping a non existent being.

Peace

Are you clueless to the fact that Pilate, Herod, Nero, even Paul made havoc of the early church? When you die, that's not the end of the world, duh.

AmenRa1:
Dou sha not lie!! Thats all I have for U hypocrite

i am not lying. i am asking you questions, do not resort to insulting me.
Try again. And who is otem? Give me reason to believe this otem? Do you believe otem?

dankol:
[b]CHAPTER FIFTEEN
PART THREE (CONCLUSION)
In the meantime, my doubt about the church/religion was on the high alert not even when I met more radical Christians in the hostel. My room was like the centre of religious arguments. It was interesting and eye-opening. Until, one day, a radical friend of mine debunked speaking in tongues. I do speak in tongues even for long but not publicly. I read through that stuff, I was like wait, “is there anything in Christianity that has not been debunked or challenged to a reasonable conclusion”. There and there, I told myself, I am gona dig right to the foundation of Christianity. I want to get my facts straight, when I stand up to tell someone, am a believer in Christ and I can defend it with my breath. My dear, I found the opposite, one basic thing Christians use to boast about is about the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus. I found out, same similar story holds true for some other deities long before him. Coupled with serious historical imbalances in the scripture. I was so so disappointed.

Please read this exert from the book “The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors”
http://infidels.org/library/historical/kersey_graves/16/address.html
The following propositions (fatal to your claims for Christianity) are established beyond confutation by the historical facts cited in this work, viz: --
1. There were many cases of the miraculous birth of Gods reported in history before the case of Jesus Christ.
2. Also many other cases of Gods being born of virgin mothers.
3. Many of these Gods, like Christ, were (reputedly) born on the 25th of December.
4. Their advent into the world, like that of Jesus Christ, is in many cases claimed to have been foretold by "inspired prophets."
5. Stars figured at the birth of several of them, as in the case of Christ.
6. Also angels, shepherds, and magi, or "wise men."
7. Many of them, like Christ, were claimed to be of royal or princely descent.
8. Their lives, like his, were also threatened in infancy by the ruler of the country.
9. Several of them, like him, gave early proof of divinity.
10. And, like him, retired from the world and fasted.
11. Also, like him, declared, "My kingdom is not of this world."
12. Some of them preached a spiritual religion, too, like his.
13. And were "anointed with oil," like him.
14. Many of them, like him, were "crucified for the sins of the world."
15. And after three days' interment "rose from the dead."
16. And, finally, like him, are reported as ascending back to heaven.
17. The same violent convulsions of nature at the crucifixion of several are reported.
18. They were nearly all called "Saviors," "Son of God." "Messiah," "Redeemer," "Lord," &c.
19. Each one was the second member of the trinity of "Father, Son and Holy Ghost."
20. The doctrines of "Original Sin," "Fall of Man," "The Atonement," "The Trinity," "The Word," "Forgiveness," "An Angry God." "Future Endless Punishment," etc., etc. (see the author's "Biography of Satan," were a part of the religion of each of these sin-atoning Gods, as found set forth in several oriental bibles and holy books," similar in character and spirit to the Christian's bible, and written, like it, by "inspired and holy men" before the time of either Christ or Moses (before Moses, in some cases, at least). All these doctrines and declarations, and many others not here enumerated, the historical citations of this work abundantly prove, were taught in various oriental heathen nations centuries before the birth of Christ, or before Christianity, as a religion, was known in the world.
Will you, then, after learning these facts, longer dare assert that Christianity is of divine emanation, or claim a special divine paternity for its author. Only the priest, who loves his salary more than the cause of truth (and I fear this class are numerous,) or who is deplorably ignorant of history will have the effrontery or audacity to do so. For the historical facts herein set forth as clearly prove such assumptions to be false, as figures can demonstrate the truth of any mathematical problem. And no logic can overthrow, and no sophistry can set aside these facts.[/b]

This is very laughable. you are not born again like i have asserted from the start, how can you then speak in tongues. i make bold to say it,a nd you can confirm from one of your cohorts(HardMirror), i told him he was born again but backslid, but you, nothing. How can you then speak in tongues. Anyway, the rant about many religions is not new. There are many fake producers of designer clothes out there, and there are many pirated films and audio CDs that come out and even sell better than the originals. Satan knew God before man was created, and He knew/figured God might be sending in the Calvary/chilvary literally. So he put up as many counterfeits as possible. Unfortunately for his efforts, only atheists remember and meditate on 99% of such efforts. It's basic misleading. If i want to mislead you, i create or do something similar to the real, don't you know how to steal/dupe, you are a sinner, satan should have taught you some stuff na.

cloudgoddess:
I applaud this man.

So this is where you are? Okay, you applaud him for what, bashing Adeboye? A person that thinks that all members of RCCG are educated in Nigeria should not be applauded. He needs scan.

AmenRa1:
What of otem that do here voice that Ur Jesus is the son of Jehovah(SATAN) Why don't U believe him?? Hypocrites

And who is otem? Give me reason to believe this otem? Do you believe otem?

BTW, i want to wonder why cloudgoddess has not answered.

HardMirror:
Where is the answer

Get smart.
If the question is that your master "refused to repent and prefers to be in hell", the answer is that He's smart enough to know that he has been judged. Your gnashing fellows are not.

madenigga:
Delta state

You missed the point like i said. There are people from the South East in the cabinet, who if they are replaced today, you will count their replacement as appointment but you are not counting them as part of the team. Yet they meet regularly with the President, are part of the Presidency and are receiving PAY for it.

dankol:
[b]CHAPTER FIFTEEN
PART TWO COUNTUNEEED
Back to my story, about 2 months later, this lady showed up in church. I was shocked to see her because, for me, I would not go back to that church. But I was impressed, she was not angry with anyone but infact grateful to God for restoring her life. I was thinking, why did that God not restore you here before you left for god-knows-where, and you came back to praise the God who could not save you here where you worship him. Well, thank God, she is hale and hearty, that’s the most important thing.

But within me, I was feeling bad and I decided to compensate her for the negligence of the church. During that time, we had a concert which marked my actual leaving of the church workforce. Part of the proceedings from the concert was used to buy provisions for her. Moreso, I ensured that, the choir went to know her place and we merry with the family, prayed for her and the family. It was a great feeling to love and be loved. Till today, that lady always greet me with both knees on the ground and has developed a very keen interest in my welfare.

Good work. Though it would have been better if you were born again and did it. It is like writing the WAEC without registering, you only get to score yourself as it were, and people like me can score and hail you.

The concert I mentioned above, was the last major activity I was involved with in the church. What happened? The choir began to put the concert together with the consent of the church management. So we brought our estimation to the pastor at first, he promised to support us with 50% of it. I was glad. So preparation was in earnest. So a week to the D-day, we began to seek fund. I went to the pastor, he began to give me excuses.. ehmm the church is looking for money to complete the land money bla bla bla . I told him, this concert had been in the pipeline for long and that the amount we need is not even what anyone would think twice before giving us. He said, he can’t guarantee they will give us a kobo. I said, fine. I walked straight to the choir and informed them, “We are no longer having the concert. It is cancelled till further notice”.

Every member of the choir rose against that decision and that, they will fund it, if the church would not. I felt so bad and angry at the church and thinking, “is there anything, just one thing the church can do for her people”-mind you this may not be generalized to some churches which are a bit more responsive to her members. This concert is not in my name, it’s in the church’s name, glory will be to the church. So even to fund a program on behalf of the church, a program they want, but not ready to fund. I told myself, its high time left. I can’t cope anymore with this shit called working in the church or working for God.

You were simply frustrated by bad administrative bureaucracy which can happen anywhere, though it is very unfortunate it happened in your church and you could not reform it despite given a position of leadership and so called prophecy pedestal, you rather ran away cowardly. It has nothing to do with God or faith.

Now it was because, the church had no hand in the funding that made them agree that, the proceedings will not be taken from the choir. It was used to settle some debts, appreciate that lady and the change left in the choir purse. After that concert, I told the pastor, I needed to rest and I will no longer be active as usual. Now, let me say, as soon as I assumed being the MD, I took up responsibility to put more time in church activities. So I am not withdrawing partially like before, I am withdrawing totally but not immediately. Moreover, it affected my CGPAseriously.

Afterall, I will be due for Internship soon. So I urge the pastor to begin the search for a replacement. Well, I already have one in mind. At first, he would not agree, I leave. But later when he barely sees me in church, he called me one Sunday, I went to church and asked me to give him a replacement, which I did. And immediately, I was relieved.[/b]

Church work or anything does not need to negatively affect other important things. There is something called time management and prioritising. Let your moderation be known to all men. Even people doing serious work for God who are born again, and into soul winning, church harvesting/planting, building believers and pastoring are able to devote some time for other activity. Some wannabe psalmist is failing in school and it is God's fault somehow? My seniors and friends in school were acing their exams, topping their departments and breaking academic records, and you have the same 24hours. Blame your incompetence on the Nigerian President or some other thing like YOURSELF, not on God or faith. Kumuyi and Adeboye had 1st class in school serving God. SELAH

dankol:
[b]CHAPTER FIFTEEN
PART TWO CONTINUM
I faced the choir squarely and began some reformations. There were a lot of factions in the choir. I ensured I killed the factions and promote love through weekly visitation to member houses and things improved. But something was missing. The church has developed an i-don’t-care attitude towards her needy members and infact she is milking them of the little they have. 90% of the choir consist of students seriously having one or two challenges ranging from finance to in-house issues but what do we hear every Sunday, if it is not tithe, it is seed sowing, or covenant seed, or giving to God. No practicality of what is being preached.

You must have been St. Dankol, you were the only one that made things happen in your world and got things right. What did you do to remove this bad attitude since you were now church leader? Did you just complain and run away? Why did you not show practicality of what was been preached? It is easy to exonerate one's self and blame others. Like you confessed later, you were in your own world of selfishness and selfish interest like the others in your church.

There was this quiet lady who was consistent in church, barely comes late to church. Though I noticed her but I was in my own world too anyway but I do know that’s going on around me. Suddenly, we no longer see her for over a month. I began to make enquiry. Lo and behold! No one in the church knew where she lives. I was furious. I mean, not one soul has an idea. Something then struck me, that even I, myself, since I came to the church, no one knows where I live, yea though in the hostel but no one knows the room nor have even attempt visiting me.

I began to make enquiry about her, I got no concrete information but it was confirmed, she was severely sick and out of town for treatment. Also it came to my notice that, she had been meeting with the pastor for prayers over her sickness but nothing happened until it became severe and her parents took her somewhere unknown to get cure for her. So God cannot even have pity on his faithfuls. Because since 2010, I have not had any reason to use major drugs- let me clarify what I mean by major drugs, I mean, tablets and what have you. I take fruits instead. I do fall sick but I do not use drugs before I get well. In two-three days, I would be just fine.

Good. There are many so called christian faithfuls that claim every week that God has been merciful/pitiful to them. Of course, you will not believe, but will believe what you want to believe.

Then, I used to think, it is divine health- My dear, it is not divine health, it is a function of healthy habits, strong immune system amongst other things. That reminds me of the day I engaged a brother in church about the dogma of divine health. It was not funny when he resorted to blind belief in it. I told him, I am not trying to convince him, I am only refuting him. My take on divine health is this: if you say you have divine health, the questions you need to answer are as follows;

Don't be ridiculous. What is divine health, and where is it preached in the Bible?

1. Have you ever fallen sick before no matter how minute since you are in Christ? -afterall, only faithful Christians enjoy divine health. I know the answer is NO. Then, it is flawed because, one having divine health actually implies, you can’t be ill since you are divine health-wise. Thus when, you fall sick, or feel depressed, or feel sad, or feel emotional, all are symptoms of several different kind of unhealthiness. And I am 100% sure, at one time or the other, we have and we still do feel these things. So, sorry, you do not have divine health. Even the major promoter of that dogma almost lost his wife some years ago- (funny isn’t it)-Divine health indeed! Mind you, there is nothing like divine healing too cos in the first place, anything divine ought not to be subjected to anything un-divine such as sickness. So, the word “divine” negates and implicates the healing. Healing has to do with restoration to good health (which ought to be divine) meaning there is a deviation from the divine nature. And all things being equal, it is not possible. Like I said, earlier, there is nothing divine about health.

As usual, you are saying rubbish. The Bible does not teach or show that people in Christ do not fall sick. People were recorded to be sick even in the New Testament. Obeying God gives you good health anyway, and it qualifies you for healing. People receive healing EVERY other day. Stop wallowing in ignorance or hiding your ignorant head in the sand. Go to the nearest real crusade or healing service and get updated.

2. Let’s assume there is divine health, all things being equal, all faithful Christians should exhibit it as a natural inheritance. Please, don’t tell me you have to invoke/command/pray it from the word of God and whatever your faith-healing pastor has brain-washed you with because, you did not invoke/command/pray puberty, growth and many other natural things that happens to us. Why should divine health be exceptional amongst other vital things we need.[/b]

They should not tell you, as in your mind is made up and you determine the terms and conditions, right? Here it is, you are free to pluck out those eyes literally if they offend you, seeing you have done that already for some other parts.
Eze 36:37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be inquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.
Phi 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

HardMirror:
Lol see excuse. For a devil that could revolt against, yet he has calmly agreed to give up heaven for eternal torment. That does not sound like satan to me. The stories don't make sense cos they are nothing but stories. If heaven was so fantastic, the devil will not hesitate to try and take over again or even beg once a while for a second chance

Goal shiftings from a frustrated fellow. Your question has been answered as usual, it's okay for you to ignore as usual, or run off to create another thread for penance. You thought your master "refused to repent and prefers to be in hell". Now, it is that he has calmly agreed. Did he discuss with you? You try to define God to suit your definition, now it is satan's turn? Stuff does not sound like satan to you, what does, and from where do you get your picture? Get over it, satan is a loser and he knows it, when will you?

hopefuLandlord:
Twisting at its best

What was twisted again?

AnalyticEngine:
No one is mocking God here. Christians are making claims that are false. According to the bible, the disciples confirmed their message with signs and wonders. What christians preach must be backed up with corresponding evidence. Simple. Christians claim that God speaks to them. All we're asking is clearcut evidence. Don't you want more souls to be won by your testimonies?

But the OP is either being ignorant or mischievous when he says that there is a promise of the Holy Ghost to teach people anything. He loses context or has no idea as is likely.

You will rarely hear of muslems making such claims, hence there's little or no pressure on them. Learn to respond to questions raised about your religion and if you cannot answer them, ignore them for someone who can. If people truly hear from God, atleast half of the worlds economic and security-related problems would be solved. Are there no christians in the government? Don't presume that all atheists are out to mock God. The facts are just not reasonably convincing, and not everyone accepts things that don't make sense in the name of Faith

Not everyone hears from God.

HardMirror:
Nonsense!
Judged or not won't the occupants of hell not still cry for mercy even though it is too late, yet they shall still gnash their teeth in regret.
The devil may be judge for all I care, YET, visiting heaven and being fully aware of what hell is like should have been enough to make the devil still beg to be forgiven even if it won't change anything.

He's smart enough to know that he has been judged. Your gnashing fellows are not. Beat it.