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dalaman:
What then were you talking about?

It was very clear what i talked about and you agreed to it. i said MEN ARE DIFFERENT FROM WOMEN. You added and was asking if men are BETTER THAN women. i didn't say so or think so.

Why should women not teach men in church? What's wrong with that?

i was very clear to say and explain that the better word or context to use is the word "inappropriate", not "wrong". It is inappropriate for women to teach/instruct/have authority over men in church. That is God's policy as it is God's building and organisation. Anyone who has a problem with that can go some place else. Every leader, organisation, company, important structure has policies. From recruitment policies to parking/garage laws, to smoking areas, to opening and closing time, to length of service and retirement etc.

No where in the bible was slavery abrogated.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5)

Here we have the bible telling slaves to obey their earthly masters. No injunction was given to people telling them that slavery is wrong and should not be practiced no matter what.

The word translated as "slaves" in the passage you quoted is the greek word "doulos". That word doulos is very loosely used in greek(or at least in this sphere in the Bible), to refer to any subordinate, worker or servant. So, we all are doulos of somebody or something. Any worker or staff of an organisation can be referred to as a doulos to the boss or employer or superior. doulos is not limited to the context of slavery that you intend to talk about. Slavery you talk of has to do more of being in BONDS/bondage. Pretty much everybody in the Bible is referred to or refers to himself as "doulos". Below are some verses the same word is used.
Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Mat 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

All the bolded "servant" are the same greek word doulos you quoted. They all show Jesus, Paul, the disciples of Jesus, and pretty much every man of God or servant of God being referred to in the same way. i want to believe that is not the slavery you are talking about. In th Old Testament, it is the same thing. Abraham, Jacob, his sons, Moses etc all being referred to as servants or in another translation slaves. i stand by what i have said, that the Bible does not encourage owning others in bondage, or maltreating others in the New Testament. It is impossible because in the New Testament, there is no Jew or Gentile, or bond or free. In the OT, it may be argued somehow that non-jews were held as 'slaves', but it cannot happen in a New Testament state. The middle wall of partition was broken on the cross, and no jew or christian can hold any gentile as 'slave'. Unfortunately, you are not touching on the real issue but on sentimental name or perception. The real issue is not about being called a slave or free, but about the treatment to fellow human beings. Someone might not be called a slave but is being treated worse than a slave, this is wrong. Some slaves in the Bible fared better than some manager and supervisor or contractors in some factories today. Someone is working 24hours, 12 hours everyday under terrible safety conditions, shameful salary, and even the salary, they owe them for months. But we say he is supervisor, contractor, today, Nigeria, here. Is that one not worse than slavery? And some of them work in these conditions for years, 25years, 15years etc. Some have no job at all, no access to the basic necessities of life. And we are jumping up and down and celebrating that there is no slavery, there is independence. What sort of independence is that? What the Bible asks, of masters and of servants is the most noble of all law in the human race ever practiced.

dalaman:
Humans do not act like that, when you try to humanize God he always all short. As a landlord I can not just come and drive out my tenants without proper reason. Notice must be given and contract must expire among other things. I disagree that God created the land because I believe in no God. What i the other people claim that it is their own God that created the land? I don't wanna go down that route but the bottom line is good humans do not act the way the God of the bible acts, a good you claim is all good.

"any landlord can drive out his tenant and put who he wants", that is a fact. If you do not like your tenant for one reason or the other, you get him out and put in another that you think better. What is proper reason for removing a tenant? Many landlords simply say they want to use the place, or they inflate the rent money. What rubbish are you saying that humans don't act like that? God's reason was stated and well implied. The Canaanites were full of iniquity and God judged them and put in new people. He didn't just come, He waited for CENTURIES till their cup of iniquity was full. Their contract expired the first time they sinned, the wages of sin is death remember. Leaving them for centuries is merciful and a chance and possibility for repentance.
Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
1Ki 21:26 And he did very abominably in following idols, according to all things as did the Amorites, whom the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

Of course, you will ironically disagree that God created the land, but agree to what you perceive as evil that the Bible records God doing.

God also killed many people in the bible, God sent a bear to tear down kids because they mocked his prophet, God encouraged the Jews to tell lies and steal from Egyptians, God told people to carry out rape and genocide, God killed babies for the alleged wrong doing of their parents. Are these good deeds? Punishing a child for the wrong doing of his parents is wrong. The child is simply innocent.

Is captivity, hunger, deprivation right to you? You seem to have a problem to think that God sees them as wrong, so are they right? You did not answer that? What is a good kind of punishment, mention examples you would have employed in the cases you referred to. You did not answer that?
i told you specifically and several times that being good is not primarily a function of good deeds. On this same thread, i recall asking at different times if Stalin will be a good person because of good deeds, you all dodged it. See here, here and here. This is the chief reason i have been stressing that good deeds alone do not make anyone good. i just showed you some of God's innumerable good deeds but you skipped them and are asking me about other things. Indirectly, you are saying what i have been saying since the start of thread; there is no human good. While you can reel out the good deeds of your neighbour or friend, i may also be privy to his bad deeds that you do not know. And all humans have them, for all have sinned and come short of God's glory. Being good is not primarily in the doing, it is a quality or nature called holiness. It is unattainable by human strength or good deeds. This is exemplified by the life of Jesus Christ who was declared a beloved Son in whom God was well pleased, right before He even did any of His numerous recorded and popular good deeds. He didn't get good or pleasing to God primarily by going about doing good, or healing the sick, or feeding the poor, or preaching, or sacrificial giving of His life. He was good because of the nature of God in Him, and of course that nature makes one do good deeds.

anonimi:
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I think PDP should organise its own march in Lagos next Saturday with Jonathan participating for a well organised, highly mobilised turnout and greatly secured outing.

Lol @ achievements of Jonathan in pictures. The GEJ/Sambo campaign team have billions of naira than to be copying and following other party na. APC no go debateS PDP follow. APC do aljazeera PDP follow. APC go ebonytv, PDP release their own ebonytv interview. Oya GEJ go London na.

PassingShot:
The use of the card reader at this moment is the only way we can bring credibility into our elections.

It may not be perfect now but we have to start somewhere so as to attain perfection. Perfection is not achieved at the first attempt or at the beginning of any new venture.

Lapses recorded during the test run will be worked on before March 28 which means we can expect improved performance during the elections.

However, if INEC is unable to fix the problems observed during this test run before the March election, then the card reader should be dropped for future elections.

There could also be another arrangement to verify those who cannot be verified with the card reader. In that case, only when the card reader has failed to verify a voter should such alternative arrangement be used. This will ensure that no electorate is disenfranchised at the poll for no fault of his.

Funny enough, if the card readers fail on the election day especially in the north as it did in Kano, APC/Buhari stand to lose large chunk of their votes. Yet, they are the ones pushing for the use of it and that goes to tell you their level of confidence and preparedness.

Only those with sinister plans kick against the card reader.

I'm for the card reader and I know the PDP is doing its best to get the APC to discredit it's use. My concern and question is - supposing a unit has 400 registered voters, and knowingly or unknowingly 200 real people are not accredited by the pvc card reader but the elections results manipulate that 200 or 100, how do we know?

AllNaijaBlogger:
I know your type. No matter how you try, you can't justify that 10m car.

It's not about me or my type, is it? It's about being reasonable and not being myopic. God has called all His followers and christians to a lifestyle of moderation and whatever virtues biblical. What is good for the pastor is also good for you as a christian, simple. However, context has to come into play as being relative. Reality is that one man's cheap is another man's expensive. Shoes, clothes, cars, drinks, a plate of food, relaxation, school fees etc. All fingers are not equal. You can't use your own standard to CONDEMN others.
Luke 12:15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

AllNaijaBlogger:
The average middle class Nigerian drives a car of 1.5-3.5 million. Upper middle class is from 3-10 million.

It is only those who have been hammering for long that drive cars of 10m and above. A young bank manager can't even buy a 10m car when that is his salary for 1.5 years.



Working for God is a sacrifice. Jesus told those who wanted to follow him that the son of man has no place to rest his head.

You can't be a servant of materialism and God. You must pick one. The three most popular figures in the new testament were not rich or materialistic. John the Baptist lived in the wilderness. Jesus went around preaching and healing (he didn't have time to settle and build monuments for himself). Paul went around preaching and writing letters. These people didn't build multi million dollar empires. They served the common man.

You are mixing things up, average pastors don't drive 10million naira cars, do they? Being a christian is the sacrifice, not working in the church per se. All Christians are called to make that sacrifice, not pastors. The pastor didn't commit a crime by being a pastor, he can use what is affordable in context. Stop mistaking the monastery or asceticism for righteousness.

Men are different from women but are men better than women as human beings?

No i do not think so or say so.

dalaman:
Why is it wrong for women to teach men? Why must women be quite and not usurp the authority of men?

i would not say 'wrong' in the context that you think, i would rather use the word "inappropriate". While it may not be wrong for me to somersault or be in my undies, it is inappropriate for me to somersault in the streets or in the banking hall. It is inappropriate for me to go to work in my undies, or attend a board meeting or a function that way. God has designated functions for everybody and there is some form of order in religious activity and worship. Women can do many things like teach fellow women, youths and children(who by the way usually make up more than 60% of a church gathering), they can do many other important activities like prayer, worship, singing, evangelism, writing books etc. It is an administrative policy thing, the women do not take up the work of the teacher or chief leader in CHURCH. It's a simple organisational structure. In some organisations, there are criteria, competencies, essential and desireable skills for each position. We don't call that discrimination or victimization. It's simply company policy or HR admin stuff. Teaching or heading a church are not as important as prayer, evangelism, having faith, living a powerful christian testimony for the world etc.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

Is this a good thing to do?

Is it a current thing? i ask because of proper context. God/the Bible was the first to abrogate slavery centuries before civilizations started considering it. The new Testament is very clear, that there is no jew or gentile or bond or free in Christ. No christian can purchase any foreigner because we are all one, and the blood of Jesus Christ has broken such middle wall of partition. So, no point asking Is this a good thing to do? It IS not even done. In fact, what we see today is entertainment and sports BUYING and SELLING people to different clubs and countries, and signing contracts. If your problem is with buying and selling, take it to the football clubs and the entertainers, not me.

dalaman:
God as described in the bible displayed both type of jealousy. Remember he was jealous of the Canaanites because they were living in a land flowing with milk and honey while his own chosen people were roaming round the desert. He had to send his own chosen people out of jealousy to go and take the land of the others because it was flowing with milk and honey. Is land grab a good thing? Why not create their own land flowing with milk and honey for them?

Wow, i postponed replying this and almost forgot that i had not replied. You're funny you know? The earth belongs to God and He cannot be jealous of someone else using His stuff. The Canaanites did not own the land but God. God called Abraham(the father of the Jews) from Ur of the Chaldees and took him to a place(Canaan) that God promised him that his children/descendants will inherit. God drove the seven nations of Canaan out just like any landlord can drive out his tenant and put who he wants. Read Genesis 12v1-7.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

God clearly said he was apologized and said he was sorry for the evil he did against them. Meaning he knew his actions were wrong. He did not only apologize but also acknowledged that his actions were wrong. If God can apologize and acknowledge his wrong doing then why are you still insisting that his nature is pure goodness? You still haven't shown me any good deed he has done. Do you consider starving people to death a good kind of punishment? What about sending wild animals to kill people's kids? Is that a good kind of judgement? Will you do that as a judge? Do humans do that? Does Amos 4:9-12 describe a good judge or a sick person? If I commit treason against my country will it be right for my children to be killed as well for my wrong doing?

Yes of course. God was sorry as He is not sadistic in punishing people. He is not happy to see anyone perish. It is not pleasant for people to be captives, or to suffer loss or hunger or deprivation. These are some of the punishments meted on the Israelites. Are they right to you? Is captivity, hunger, deprivation right to you? You seem to have a problem to think that God sees them as wrong, so are they right?
Punishment is not fun, but it is a necessary part of any society. Humans are governed by laws. Every normal city has laws, and law enforcement agencies, courts, offices and prisons. This is an essential part of a good place to live. i have told you several times that goodness is not a subset of good deeds, good is God's nature. If you want to see a list of God's goodness, read the Bible. i will mention three to help you. God provided food, water and light for the Israelites in the wilderness. God forgave sinners all their sins. God healed many sick people in the Bible. Those are three good deeds, happy now? What is a good kind of punishment, mention examples you would have employed in the cases you referred to.

anonimi:
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This does not translate to good leadership or good governance. Else, maybe Okocha and Okagbare should be on the PDP ticket.

ndcide:
This is serious!!!!.

This was not what we were talking about.


Now be objective. What have I said that is divisive?

What then do you suppose we should talk about? i'm talking about the realities of living in nigeria which is under a growing democracy, and how it is expected to see a few hitches and mistakes but that we should not be deterred but focus 'on the ball' and get the country that we need. You are busy telling me about how PDP is holy and APC is evil. i don't care about such information. i care about INEC getting it right or very close to right by doing a good job of a credible election and minimising fraud and rigging as much as possible. Are you the government? i was clear and specific enough when i said "the current administration has sought desperately to divide us". i talked about the government, not YOU being divisive. If you are divisive, that is your own cup of tea. But if the government is divisive, it is a national cup of tea as we all suffer from it.

Fact is that GEJ have NEVER EVER been divisive. Rather it is those who want his sit that have divided Nigeria along all lines through their quest for a northern President, bombing of churches, killing of Christians, supporting boko haram hoping to get political milage from it. broadcasting regional hate against GEJ even on Liberty FM, Hausa language, divisive analysis on BBC Hausa, I can go on and on...

It is those who do these things that point at GEJ as being divisive.

Indeed there were reactions down south by a few, but you'd agree that they were reactionary; in a bid to save and support their own. This is the truth.

The GEJ administration has been divisive and permissive of divisive people. The friends of the president and the Jonathan campaign organisation are busy spreading divisive advertisements and documentaries. They asked for a issue based campaign but are only interested in talking about Tinubu and the yoruba people, Buhari and Sharia or some other propaganda broadcasting NATIONAL hate on AIT. The Vice President Sambo said in his rally messages in the North that APC has christian leaders but PDP has muslim and therefore they should vote for muslim. Fayose keeps advising the North about Buhari on behalf of Jonathan. Mrs Jonathan said recently that the Northerners are irresponsible, giving birth to children anyhow. i can go on and on with Fani-Kayode, Okupe and co.

You and I know that some persons feel betrayed by GEJ' s Candidacy and ascension as president. If they are justified then the country need to be readjusted. after all the folks from the South East have not been president yet they voted for yaradua and supported him to the very last.

Be truthful, who are those who are dividing the country? do you think you can substitute Buhari in APC and not have an implosion? ask yourself WHY.

Again who are those dividing the country?

This is cheap propaganda and i do not know. Since you claim to know, who are these people that feel betrayed by GEJ' s Candidacy and ascension as president? i simply know that GEJ administration has not done well in the last 6yrs when i look at input and output. i know nothing of any betrayal or ascension. Those who are dividing the country are the likes of Asari Dokubo who keep coming on National TV to say all sort of trash and is not picked up for questioning and trial afterwards. What with Patience Jonathan instigating violence by telling people to STONE Nigerians that support the APC? Or her saying the APC cannot campaign in her hometown and then they get attacked twice when they went there? Tell me, if i said that, would i not be in jail by now or at least questioned even if i had nothing to do with it in this Nigeria? Who is kneeling around the churches and by that getting sympathy votes from christians? Does that not divide the country by religion?

When BH was bombing churches every Sunday did you here any statement from the northern leaders? did they galvanize forces to stop it?

be Truthful who are those dividing the country and pointing at GEJ.

is it the GEJ who built almajiri schools in the north without one in the south?


is it the GEJ who established 14 universities and 9 of then in the north?

Is it the GEJ who declared SOE without removing the governors for pease to reign? even when the various institutions of government have been compromised?

Is it the GEJ who asked people to help dialogue with BH and promised them amnesty and integration and none came for it?
again be truthful, who are those dividing the country?

If GEJ could work in this kind of hostile conditions, then he is an extraordinary human being. I know you won't work in a company like that.

We know what they want, GEJ's Sit.

But God has the final say. please be sincere.


God bless.

When Boko Haram was bombing churches? Are you kidding me? Who is the commander in chief and the President of Nigeria? Whose duty and who are we paying heaving as the country's chief security officer, who gets large chunks of money for security votes? Who is supposed to do something about Boko Haram? You want statements from the North? Is that the way you give statements when they kill your loved ones? That is what you want? Well, statements were given if you do not know. What i did not see was President Jopnathan coming out openly quickly and decisively enough. Instead he was seen dancing in Kano. Here is Buhari on Boko Haram in 2011. Here are some excerpts. "Buhari (rtd), has condemned “in the strongest terms” the series of bombings that took place in four states in Nigeria on the day Christmas is being celebrated across the world. He called on all people of goodwill to condemn these occurrences that had sent sorrows to many families in a festive season.
“Bombing other human beings to death at any time is callous. It becomes much more reprehensible on a Christmas day and all lovers of peace must condemn these gruesome acts and demand that the perpetrators be fished out and brought to book,” He is however worried about the seeming mute indifference of the Nigerian authorities to these unfortunate incidents. “How on earth would the Vatican and the British authorities speak before the Nigerian government on attacks within Nigeria that have led to the deaths of our citizens? This is clearly a failure of leadership at a time the government needs to assure the people of the capacity to guarantee the safety of lives and property,"
Here is the same Buhari last year February on boko haram. Here he called boko haram mindless bigots May last year. i can bring you to speed on his recent and consistent condemnation of the sect. Boko Haram kills both christians and muslims, in churches, mosques, bus stops, market places and whole towns. The man whose job and salaries demand that he galvanize forces to stop boko haram has been busy giving lame excuses until recently when elections came knocking. Nobody needs to point at GEJ, he points at himself when he calls the actions of boko haram excesses, or when he says they are only on the fringes of Nigeria(referring to the North East), or when he blames US for not assisting him, or when he was travelling round the globe while the nation boiled, or when he was sending messages to France and saying nothing about the Baga attacks. Nobody needs to point any fingers at him before he shoots himself in the foot continuously as he has done. You talk of a state of emergency where Boko Haram keep shooting MOVIES of them moving around freely and in convoy and terrorising and killing people with glee without restraint. Please. The few soldiers sent complained of lack of weapons and corruption and the government kept denying it despite spending billions on security. GEJ has not worked in the so called hostile environment. He has not been able to cope. Thousands of lives have been needlessly lost and you say he has worked and is an extraordinary human being? Do you really understand the value of a human life? Fani-Kayode said on Channelstv PoliticsToday that over 35,000 people have being killed by boko haram. He is the President's spokesman, remember? Millions, MILLIONS of Nigerians have been displaced by Boko Haram. i saw some on TV recently been taught the Cameroonian national anthem, children, Nigerian children! And you dare to say Jonathan has worked and is an extraordinary human being. Action speaks louder than words brother. If GEJ had value for human lives above personal ambition and tribal bigotry, he would have resigned long ago for someone else that can actually do the job. While indeed God has the final say, He has given us the opportunity of democracy and of seeing the truth and saying it. Indeed, the people get the leaders that they deserve, very sad.

PedroJP:
the OP must b among those stomachs now being threatened by GEJ's stance. There shall be income disitribution equallity come GEJ's next tenure at the expense of those cabals now rooting for Gen Buharia.

Kindly analyze your statement. What is GEJ 's stance and how/why is the OP threatened? Where did you hear about this income distribution equality plan, it sounds nice? Who are cabals and what are their expenses?

anonimi:
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You should check up the meaning of the word "irresponsible", it defines the current administration and it's support. If buhari had clamoured or asked GEJ to resign or divorce his wife or become Muslim, would he? Who granted boko haram amnesty? Who said he had reached cease fire agreement with boko haram? Who said boko haram are his siblings? Who said that the chibok girls had been rescued? Who said this week that the chibok girls are alive?
http://www.punchng.com/news/jonathan-declares-amnesty-for-boko-haram-members-minister/


BTW, the US and Ribadu among other people also supported amnesty for boko haram according to newspaper reports. Stop giving half truths,
http://www.punchng.com/news/ribadu-faults-jonathan-wants-amnesty-for-boko-haram/

hansad:
Like it or not, Muhammadu Buhari can not preside over Nigeria again. You can make a human chain from Lagos to Sokoto, Buhari can't rule Nigeria - again. You can't hide in six years of religious violence to cow Nigerians to doubt Jonathan's capacity to protect Nigerians; and now want Bokoharia to benefit from the violence to become president - never gonna happen.

Calm down, it's a democracy. One man one vote i hope.

Even Jesus would come like a thief in the night, so what exactly is Fayose drinking?

ndcide:
Clearly you didn't get my point. probably too much for you.

You know, to the APC folks, the only credible election is the one won by APC even to local government election, even in Edo state the governor rejected an ongoing election when he suspected it wasn't going his way. but accepted the final outcome when he won and commended GEJ for helping with military security. That's the nature of APC in politics.

So we know what to expect from your people when we vote GEJ back to power, because we certainly will. I'm also happy that you agree that we shouldn't expect 100% compliance. I hope your party leaders share your opinion.

God bless.

Your problem is narrow mindedness. Not everyone is partisan, Nigeria belongs to all Nigerians, not to pdp or apc or Christian or Muslim or hausa or ibo or yoruba. These are the unfortunate lines in which the current administration has sought desperately to divide us. When it's all said and done, we don't need Christian roads or Muslim electricity, and we don't want a Yoruba economy or hausa refineries. We want good governance and the Nigerian people would go out and vote for themselves. I pray God has mercy on the choices we make, Nigeria is old enough for change of status.

plaetton:
You still to understand what this topic seeks to address.
Pls name any of our known preachers who were wealthy well before they became preachers.
And if you can show any, then also tell us whether they are wealthier or poorer.

Pls be honest for once and admit that pastoship is a get-rich-quick rachet similar to 419, but without the legal hassles.

Like i said, one man's cheap is another man's expensive. 100,000 may be expensive and big money to me or some people, but so many more are millionaires and billionaires. Context matters. The pastor isn't the one that killed Jesus so i don't see why he can't use something affordable in his context. All fingers are not equal. Can i send my children to school in Harvard and MIT if i can afford it as a christian or they should stay at home or go to school of nursing Abule-igbo because people are dying or have not eaten well in Somalia? Like vooks asked, what amount do you suggest for Christians to spend to buy car, I'm sure you know Jesus was talking to all His followers, not only pastor.

ndcide:
No problems, since compliance can't be 100%, do not find loopholes to discredit the election should GEJ be declared winner based on substantial compliance or perceived subtle manipulation in favour of GEJ as may be voiced NY APC.

I understand that the PDP and GEJ support realizes that only non compliance and manipulation can bring them Electoral victory. Massive rigging, manipulation and deliberate errors discredit election results. But minimal mistake and hitches or incidence in few polling units is expected and a part of our growing process.

PhockPhockMan:
That will tell you the kind of "integrity" Buhari is carrying around. The same man Buhari was calling for his removal some time ago is now his right hand man just because he's scheming to help him rig the election in his favour.

Yes, integrity is not dogmatism or unreasonable stubbornness. Buhari has proven to be flexible and a true CHANGE leader. Jega and INEC have changed drastically it appears , doing all possible to have a different and credible elections by using card reader and pvc unlike even last year when things were same same ballot paper rigging. The quality of integrity is to see change and give kudos when due.

ndcide:
It's absolutely unfortunate that you agree that people in cross river state be disenfranchised because it's a support base for the GEJ you so much hate. even when this was discovered when election had been postponed. You still take it lightly. what if kano ,Katsina and Niger PVCs were taken to Bayelsa and Delta, Would this have been your reaction?

We know APC supporters who cry Wolf don't mind if the election is rigged provided it favours Buhari.

Never mind, since you don't expect a hitch free distribution of PVC. Don't cry when GEJ is declared winner. after all you wouldn't expected a hitch free election and result announcement.

hypocrite!!

You are being unrealistic to expect a hitch free nationwide distribution or even election. Of course, there will be issues, what we hope and plan for is that issues be minimal not massive, and that there should be solution and proactive mindsets. The kebbi cross-rivers incidence was a mistake on the part of INEC, discovered by INEC and corrected by INEC. Pvcs collection stops on March 8 or so, definitely 100% collection is impossible, 100% registration was not done, and not 100%of those that collected pvc will vote. If you feel aggrieved and disturbed about this facts, you need more enlightenment on election process, not taking swipes at INEC, opposition or even myself.

ndcide:
Can you also tell us what the plan was when Cross river state PVCs were found in kebbi state?

Coz we know what would have happened in Feb 14 with that incident.

What was the plan how? Some pvcs were sent to a wrong address, it was discovered by the senders and the mistake corrected. What plan again, were you expecting an absolutely hitch free distribution?

AllNaijaBlogger:
Are you a pastor by any chance?

Nope.

Lol, i hardly hear coordinating minister of economy again, who wan coordinate failure? She now bears minister of finance jejely.

@OP
He may have been given or may be able to afford it. All fingers are not equal, my expensive may be someone else's cheap. Someone may use a 150thousand naira car or no car and still go to hell. It's good though that the pastor or person not be insensitive to his niche or proud. In summary, a man's life doesn't consist of what he possesses.

Weah96:
Pyramid=Illuminati. Got it. See that wasn't such a hard lesson.

Lol

It's like asking how to be free from a chain shackles or handcuffs. There are many ways, like you can use the keys, or use heat, or a saw. It's not one way. However since you came to the religion session, you can use Jesus. That is get born again, pray, have faith and let the Word of God dwell in you richly. The darkness of mastubation cannot stand this.

okokhaerat:
na wa o, i wonder why apc refuses to return the insults sef.... its kuku because they are lettered mentally and not just with the so-called "Phd" mtchewww... that bitch has no womb!!!!!!!!!!! wetin u want do??

It's because they have a leader so they can't behave anyhow. PDP and Nigeria unfortunately do not have true leadership. You'll often see them shift blame and deny or distance themselves from the actions of even their big members and heads.

papaejima1:
Ever wondered how people lie glibly on phone?
The worst is that adults do it in the presence of younger ones who look up to them, parents do it in the presence of their children, business people do it easily to one another.

Corruption and the tendency to corrupt others is ingrained in the DNA of Nigerians. Even the clergy are not free of it.

So first do your bit before complaining about others.

Those blaming leadership are still the same shouting impunity, obey the law, follow the constitution. Meanwhile they dont obey the laws themselves.

All you need to be a good citizen is already written down in our books and you dont need to jump into the fire because the leader jumped into the fire or is allowing people jump into the fire if the law and common sense says dont jump.

You have said it without knowing. It is WORSE adults do wrong in the present of younger ones. You realize that power of example from leaders. It trickles down. Humans are perverse by default and would do wrong if the environment permits it. Some people tell lies in the presence of their friends but cannot do same at work or in the presence of family. We live in a society that condones evil, the society is a reflection of poor leadership.

jdilight:
How much do Nigeria pay salary per year?

Whose salary? How many people's salary out of 170million people's budget?

maestroferddi:
Let's end it because you are not adding up...

We were just starting na. I understand that it cannot add up for you as it is greater than what you put on the table. It is the truth, drop the bias.

maestroferddi:
Long-winded but little or no sense.

Should I suppose that you didn't hear of people spending over one week in Lagos and other areas in the South to collect their PVCs? You neither did not hear of indigenes being denied their PVCs in places like Lagos?

My friend, quit talking for the sake of talking...

How can it make sense to you when it is not what you want to hear? Can you answer the questions i asked, i guess no. Different strokes for different folks, some people collected their pvcs immediately, some didn't. That happened everywhere, not just Lagos. There was some pvcs from cross rivers in kebbi and some few cases in other states. Those are careless mistakes seen in Nigeria in almost all facets, it's not Jega doing anything sinister. I didn't hear of anyone DENIED their pvcs. I know some people didn't immediately see their pvcs, and that is everywhere not just lagos. BTW, Lagos is more an opposition state using whatever criteria you used to determine who owns which states.

Bayswater:
Do you think some of us just come here to contribute to discussions just for the sake of saying something?

To burst Jega's bubble, he said the PVC card reader has a battery life of 5 hours, that is bollocks! The PVC card reader's battery life is measured in terms of the number of times it is used to read a card (or carry out any other transaction).It is not rocket science.

Most advanced card reader batteries can handle up to 200 transactions only, so in a polling unit of say 500 people, how do they (INEC) intend to recharge the battery?

You know 500 is even a small figure in some polling units in Nigeria.

Google card readers and read more about them, it is only then you will know that Jega himself is fraud or it might just be that he/his advisers are not deep thinkers.

The only bubble looking to be burst is yours. http://www.punchng.com/news/inec-buys-20000-extra-card-readers/
Please read through and note the above adequate measures put in place. The card reader battery last 12 hours if fully charged. They are needed for a 5 hour exercise and they have spare batteries and card readers. Also, 500 is maximum number for a polling unit. Talk and present facts please, not making unfounded claims and needless panic.

MyPWisINCORRECT:
There is no facet of our daily lives you won't find corruption yet we blame it on Mr President. Mr President is fighting corruption at his level, how have you fought corruption at your own level?

You adjust your petrol dispenser against the stipulated calibration from the Weights and Measures Inspectorate...yet blame corruption on Mr. President

You use your pilot vehicles to run against traffic...yet blame corruption on Mr. President

You don't issue jobs and contracts on merit but on man-know-man basis...yet blame corruption on Mr. President

You dock peoples files and folders and wouldn't attend to them unless your stake is defined...yet blame corruption on Mr. President

You receive gratification from vendors for contracts poorly executed...yet blame corruption on Mr. President

You don't join queues but you will rather speak your local dialect to whomever is managing the queue so you can curry favour...yet blame corruption on Mr. President

You cook books, doctor reports...yet blame corruption on Mr. President

You compromise standards for financial gains...yet blame corruption on Mr. President

And many more...

As a people we really need to re-orientate the next generation as corruption is in the DNA of this present generation of Nigerians.

You can hardly strike a honest financial deal with an average Nigerian without him or her trying to swindle you.

If you claim Mr. President is corrupt, then he is one amongst 170m Nigerians. Remove the log from your eyes before removing the speck on his.

These things have been there since the 60s and not even Buhari can remove them unless we change our ways

If I work on my corrupt traits and you work on yours, together we can have a corruption-free society

There is a saying that a leader's sin is a leading sin. You need to understand the IMPORTANCE of a leader and head both in spiritual context and secular context. If you are a Bible reader or christian, you would notice the history of kingdoms where God was displeased with and punished nations or blessed them because of their leaders/kings lifestyle. Also secularly, you will observe how th average Nigeria cooperates and behaves when they leave the shores of Nigeria. The impunity and reckless lawlessness disappears. Nigerians queue, drive carefully, are honest and hardworking, study for tests and do not cheat in examinations when they go to London, Canada and America. This is because the leadership of those countries have put structures in place and are actually working by example and deed to make sure there is order and justice. Our president and his party can barely control themselves, not to mention controlling Patience Jonathan, Fayose, and Fani-Kayode who are party members and representatives. There is no political will and decisiveness to curb corruption or punish corrupt practice. The President continues trying to sell to us that stealing is not corruption and that we should call a thief a thief. That is pointless, what happens after calling a thief a thief? What happens after calling Okonjo-Iweala, Tinubu, Fayose, Fani-Kayode, Fashola, Alameseigha, Obanikoro etc THIEVES? These people are rewarded by the government with juicy positions and honours.
The most powerful orientations we can have are exemplary leadership and integrity. We need exemplary leaders and we need to start punishing corruption. That has to start from the top.